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[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Ok, have some GPU benchmarks instead

I should've been more clear, my bad. I am talking about each iteration outselling the previous. I don't see PS4K outselling OG PS4 in its lifetime. Ever.

I don't even see Sony releasing individual numbers for PS4 and PS4K unless they're fantastic numbers.

 

[Mister Megative]

The console industry is effectively dead with this announcement IMO.

I guess we should all thank our lucky stars your opinion is 100% ridiculous, then.

 

[GlamFM]

I believe more info is coming out.

I think he spilled the beans earlier.

PS4K coming out this year at 499$.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Announcement (and release) is not as far off as you would think that's part of my information, I'll drop it all tomorrow.

Nice!

 

[2thepoint]

I think he spilled the beans earlier.

PS4K coming out this year at 499$.

Wasn't it originally pinned for 399?

Where did 499 come from?

 

[gundamkyoukai]

So just like Unity was scaled down...

Just like the witcher 3 was scaled down....

If developers now having issues because of their shit optimization of engines, and game code how the fuck do you think it will be once they go 4K?

Not that different because they will just use PS4k to brute force shit .
For eg witcher 3 devs will just use PS4k power for 60fps or some better effects.
There are not going spend some huge amount of time to get the most of the hardware .
They don't do it for PS4 why would they do it for PS4k ?

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Nice!

I think he spilled the beans already

I guess we should all thank our lucky stars your opinion is 100% ridiculous, then.

Indeed. The console business model is not impervious to change. Pretty much every other CE has a short cycle for products released at various performance levels simultaneously. Why people are so afraid of this is beyond me

 

[GlamFM]

Wasn't it originally pinned for 399?

Where did 499 come from?

From Osiris a few pages back.

 

[2thepoint]

From Osiris a few pages back.

Thanks man.

 

[joecanada]

I support a mid cycle console upgrade 4000%.

you're buying 40? I thought I was excited!

 

[DeepEnigma]

In his defense, we are all confused. I was personally hoping $399 for Fall 2017, but $499 for Fall 2016 is too high, too soon and too conflicting with PSVR's release. Releasing multiple products in the same year sounds disastrous.

I may cancel PSVR as well if this console is as big of an upgrade as it sounds.

You miss my point (I think).

In one breath he is all about buying it (if this is true), but saying "it is a stupid move", "this will kill consoles", "they should be boo'ed for this at E3", yet excited or addicted to tech chasing enough to be a part of the 'problem' by purchasing one?

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[Crimson_Gold]

you're buying 40? I thought I was excited!

I'm extra excited. He's giving me one of the 40.

 

[Jhn]

What in the world is this kind of logic?

Lets boo the company because they are offering more options to their player base.

How dare they keep the hardware static instead of giving more power to those who want it?

Lets keep the hardware static for both consoles, and bitch and moan endlessly when their titles fail to hit 1080p/60FPS.

Are you really not getting this? Why some people are reacting negatively? Why this could be seen as a bit of a stab in the back of Sonys existing userbase?

The perks of buying a console rather than gaming exclusively on a PC used to include this:
You'd be able to play all new games that comes out for a period of at least 5 years, and you could feel content that no one on your platform had a significantly better experience than you because they had better hardware (ie. more money).
In competitive contexts, this also means that no one has an edge on you due to hardware. You're all equal, except for your actual skill.

If this is true, Sony basically shits all over this established relationship between consumers and console manufacturers. And people won't like it.

Yeah, I'll probably buy it. I'm an adult man with a lot of disposable income. I can buy things. But that doesn't mean that I like what this means for the consoles as a platform.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Sorry if this has already been answered but just how much more powerful are we talking about?

Just strong enough to do 4K?
Or 4K along with a nice bump to everything else?

 

[GlamFM]

If Sony expects some wider spread negative reactions to the announcement they could decide to annunce it prior to E3.

Just to get it out of the way and have the reactions to their E3 be super positive.

I mean 1 month or so of negativity would probably disappear with a solid E3 conference.

Sorry if this has already been answered but just how much more powerful are we talking about?

Just strong enough to do 4K?
Or 4K along with a nice bump to everything else?

Not strong enough for 4K, but strong enough to bump everything else.

 

[Papacheeks]

Not that different because they will just use PS4k to brute force shit .
For eg witcher 3 devs will just use PS4k power for 60fps .
there not going spend some huge amount of time to get the most of the hardware .
They don't do it for PS4 why would they do it for PS4k ?

First party studios do though. ANd I would say with the support WItcher 3 had, and the re-write of their engine mid development, I would say they did spend more.

AC Syndicate was already in production on the new engine that wasn't even a full engine with proper tools, they still had to retool that game as well.

It does cost money, and if they brute force it it's going to cost more with every game that uses that un-optimzied engine and game code.

There's a reason Respawn used Source for titanfall. And that was because of time, ease of use, and being able to scale plus cost effective.

 

[KOHIPEET]

Uncharted cutscenes were FMVs before. In U4 everything is rendered in realtime, both gameplay and cinematics without model switching between those modes.

Order 1886 had the same approach. Same models, all cutscenes in realtime, no visible transitions.

edit - just googled a bit, and I found this gem of a gif. Had to post it

Spoiler

PS4 is a beast

Indeed it is. And it will remain so. Regarding PS4K, let's just hope they're not going to waste the precious resources on doing native 4k and they'll blow all the bells and whistles instead.

 

[Moneal]

Since a lot of people seem to have missed the info Im going to quote it again.

Time from announce to release should be pretty short just long enough for preorders to be taken. There is a store date which is close to OGPS4 release date but before Christmas. HD 500gb (guessing pricing factor) The actual unit is smaller than OG PS4. No SKU for PSVR bundle (yet)

Spoiler

also No initial price drop for OG PS4 (probably after the holidays for trade purposes?)

 

[Jhn]

If Sony expects some wider spread negative reaction to the announcement they could decide to annunce it prior to E3.

Just to get it out of the way and have the reactions to their E3 be super positive.

I mean 1 month or so of negativity would probably disappear with a solid E3 conference.

Yeah, I think this would be the best way to do it.

 

[Lingitiz]

If Sony expects some wider spread negative reaction to the announcement they could decide to annunce it prior to E3.

Just to get it out of the way and have the reactions to their E3 be super positive.

I mean 1 month or so of negativity would probably disappear with a solid E3 conference.



Not strong enough for 4K, but strong enough to bump everything else.

Either way, announcing it early is bad. The closer they can get the announcement and release gap, the better. Although maybe that strategy doesn't matter anymore since the information leaked.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Not that different because they will just use PS4k to brute force shit .
For eg witcher 3 devs will just use PS4k power for 60fps or some better effects.
There are not going spend some huge amount of time to get the most of the hardware .
They don't do it for PS4 why would they do it for PS4k ?

Agreed.

I think they will still focus on the PS4 and getting the most out of it, and just brute force the better framerate and some effects like the PC does now on the 4K.

But you know, people will blame issues with the PS4 (which it has now, like every 3D console, ever), on the 4K, since they have a point of comparison.

 

[videogamephilosopher]

you're buying 40? I thought I was excited!

it was meant to play off of the 4k moniker.

I will eventually buy one when I feel the line up is strong enough (for me). I had a Playstation 4 and sold it after I completed Bloodborne. This generation still doesn't seem like it has started (to me) yet

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Are you really not getting this? Why some people are reacting negatively? Why this could be seen as a bit of a stab in the back of Sonys existing userbase?

The perks of buying a console rather than gaming exclusively on a PC used to include this:
You'd be able to play all new games that comes out for a period of at least 5 years, and you could feel content that no one on your platform had a significantly better experience than you because they had better hardware (ie. more money).
In competitive contexts, this also means that no one has an edge on you due to hardware. You're all equal, except for your actual skill.

If this is true, Sony basically shits all over this established relationship between consumers and console manufacturers. And people won't like it..

That is changing even without PS4k because of cross platform play .

 

[GlamFM]

Either way, announcing it early is bad. The closer they can get the announcement and release gap, the better. Although maybe that strategy doesn't matter anymore since the information leaked.

I leaked in a way that makes me think that Sony does not really care all that much.

I mean people were apparently talking about it pretty openly at GDC.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

You miss my point (I think).

In one breath he is all about buying it (if this is true), but saying "it is a stupid move", "this will kill consoles", "they should be boo'ed for this at E3", yet excited or addicted to tech chasing enough to be a part of the 'problem' by purchasing one?

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Lol yeah I got that. I was just adding to it why I was confused by this move. It's a pretty ballsy move to relaunch the generation in general, but releasing it this year for that price deserves some retribution and backlash. Might as well let me hook 2 PS4 together and get that extra processing power.

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[2thepoint]

Are you really not getting this? Why some people are reacting negatively? Why this could be seen as a bit of a stab in the back of Sonys existing userbase?

The perks of buying a console rather than gaming exclusively on a PC used to include this:
You'd be able to play all new games that comes out for a period of at least 5 years, and you could feel content that no one on your platform had a significantly better experience than you because they had better hardware (ie. more money).
In competitive contexts, this also means that no one has an edge on you due to hardware. You're all equal, except for your actual skill.

If this is true, Sony basically shits all over this established relationship between consumers and console manufacturers. And people won't like it.

Yeah, I'll probably buy it. I'm an adult man with a lot of disposable income. I can buy things. But that doesn't mean that I like what this means for the consoles as a platform.

So, in a nutshell, Sony

''basically shits all over this established relationship between consumers and console manufacturers''

because, in essence, why should others have something nicer than me if they want it?

Following this logic, I hope Apple cancels the IPhone 7 as I only have an IPhone 6.

 

[Papacheeks]

Agreed.

I think they will still focus on the PS4 and getting the most out of it, and just brute force the better framerate and some effects like the PC does now.

But you know, people will blame issues with the PS4 (which it has now, like every 3D console, ever), on the 4K one.

But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying having PS4K to brute force it doesn't clear up the current issues with development which is rushed, broken projects that are a result in poor engine, game code optimization.

Most first party show great use of trying to maximize the console. Some third party do so as well, but albeit at a much slower pace, hence post patch support for performance.

 

[The God]

Negativity doesn't just disappear.

 

[Obliterator]

I leaked in a way that makes me think that Sony does not really care all that much.

I mean people were apparently talking about it pretty openly at GDC.

There may not be a strong NDA on it for the purposes of getting feedback from the core community. That way they can use it for feeback for the marketing

 

[GamerMax73]

If developers now having issues because of their shit optimization of engines, and game code how the fuck do you think it will be once they go 4K?

Because games programming is really, really easy. My 5yo nephew could do a better job!

Shouldn't we be showing the very talented people who create these worlds we like to experience so much a little more respect for the hard work they do?

Anyone would think they get up in the morning and think 'you know what, I want to make a shifty game to day'.

There's plenty I can say about Square Enix as a company for releasing the new Hitman in the state its in, but I have nothing but respect for the hard work of the men and women who brought what little we have got in the Paris showstopper to life.

 

[Beefy]

So it's being released this year now? If it's a big of a upgrade as has been said I will have to cancel my PSVR order.

 

[DeepEnigma]

But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying having PS4K to brute force it doesn't clear up the current issues with development which is rushed, broken projects that are a result in poor engine, game code optimization.

Most first party show great use of trying to maximize the console. Some third party do so as well, but albeit at a much slower pace, hence post patch support for performance.

That is never going to change, wether this exists or not, because publishers will always control when they want that shit out.

Has nothing to do with a more powerful system, because we have PC's this entire time as well.

 

[Wishmaster92]

Osiris please share more info in regards to the updated cpu tomorrow plz!! Actually more interested in it than the 2x gpu increase

 

[rambis]

Are you really not getting this? Why some people are reacting negatively? Why this could be seen as a bit of a stab in the back of Sonys existing userbase?

The perks of buying a console rather than gaming exclusively on a PC used to include this:
You'd be able to play all new games that comes out for a period of at least 5 years, and you could feel content that no one on your platform had a significantly better experience than you because they had better hardware (ie. more money).
In competitive contexts, this also means that no one has an edge on you due to hardware. You're all equal, except for your actual skill.

If this is true, Sony basically shits all over this established relationship between consumers and console manufacturers. And people won't like it.

Yeah, I'll probably buy it. I'm an adult man with a lot of disposable income. I can buy things. But that doesn't mean that I like what this means for the consoles as a platform.

Lol this is very childish and comes off as something who somebody who doesnt understand would complain about. Tech advances every day.
This relationship you speak of is only misunderstood by people like you. Sony had long talked about releasing upgradeable consoles.

 

[zewone]

Which is why I was hesitant to post but this isn't just info I'm getting from our side also so its out there just not at store level.


Time from announce to release should be pretty short just long enough for preorders to be taken. There is a store date which is close to OGPS4 release date but before Christmas. HD 500gb (guessing pricing factor) The actual unit is smaller than OG PS4. No SKU for PSVR bundle (yet)

Spoiler

also No initial price drop for OG PS4 (probably after the holidays for trade purposes?)

If this is announced soon and releasing in the holidays, I wouldn't call that a short period.

 

[CosmicQueso]

Are you really not getting this?

this could be seen as a bit of a stab in the back of Sonys existing userbase

If this is true, Sony basically shits all over this established relationship between consumers and console manufacturers. And people won't like it.

Oh wow, this is some serious anger here. Surely, there must be some kind of boycott we can lead! LET US JOIN HANDS AND FIGHT THIS INJUSTICE!

Yeah, I'll probably buy it.

Oh. Well. Never mind, then. I guess

 

[Obliterator]

Osiris please share more info in regards to the updated cpu tomorrow plz!! Actually more interested in it than the 2x gpu increase

If there is one thing the PS4k needs its an improved CPU. The Jaguar's in the PS4 are garbage, honestly.

 

[GlamFM]

There may not be a strong NDA on it for the purposes of getting feedback from the core community. That way they can use it for feeback for the marketing

Yeah, I´m usually not a fan of the "controlled leak" theories, but this is coming from so many sources now that it definitely has a "testing the waters" vibe.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Lol this is very childish and comes off as something who somebody who doesnt understand would complain about. Tech advances every day.
This relationship you speak of is only misunderstood by people like you. Sony had long talked about releasing upgradeable consoles.

PlayStation was discussed as a platform with future intension for expansion from pretty much the time the PS4 was announced. Limiting the platform to the ps4 is not Sony's intent by any means

 

[CosmicQueso]

Negativity doesn't just disappear.

And neither will the sales. So.

 

[Obliterator]

Yeah, I´m usually not a fan of the "controlled leak" theories, but this is coming from so many sources now that it definitely has a "testing the waters" vibe.

Yeah I'm not sure its a "controlled leak" but Sony likely knew 3rd parties would start talking quick so it may not be all that heavily NDA'd. Also its a new paradigm in the console industry and getting feedback from your core base sure isn't a bad thing for the marketing department

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

So, in a nutshell, Sony

''basically shits all over this established relationship between consumers and console manufacturers''

because, in essence, why should others have something nicer than me if they want it?

Following this logic, I hope Apple cancels the IPhone 7 as I only have an IPhone 6.

Actually Apple has been doing this from the first iPhone all the way to iPhone 7 and beyond, so its expected from them to have iterative releases will complete backwards compatibility. However, this is the first time console makers are doing it after the failed attempts in 1990s so it's going to be a bit of a shock. This is the first time PlayStation and Xbox are getting iterative consoles and it understandably makes sense why folks are upset. Especially this soon, and at the high price of $499.

It's really not about others having something nicer.

 

[Papacheeks]

Because games programming is really, really easy. My 5yo nephew could do a better job!

Shouldn't we be showing the very talented people who create these worlds we like to experience so much a little more respect for the hard work they do?

Anyone would think they get up in the morning and think 'you know what, I want to make a shifty game to day'.

There's plenty I can say about Square Enix as a company for releasing the new Hitman in the state its in, but I have nothing but respect for the hard work of the men and women who brought what little we have got in the Paris showstopper to life.

We do, when someone like CD RED rewrites their game engine and the game comes out with it's issues, but is so damn good in it's visuals, story, and gameplay we praise the shit out of it. WHich is why it's sold so well, and won so many awards.
I own a signed Collectors edition copy for PC. Same goes for developers like Naughty dog who ship finished games.

When people like DICE ship game like BF4, or content light games like Battlefront we voice our disappointment.
Ubisoft has been outed by their own workers for going against what their teams were telling them. It sucks to know most of the guys working on the game, knew the engine was not even close to being ready for production.

If we don't voice it the higher ups who force these decisions on eh deve;s who can't do anything about it, will continue to push out un-optimized, unfinished games. When and early access game has been in early access in a unplayable state, are you not going to voice your opinion about it?

 

[David Ricardo]

Lol this is very childish and comes off as something who somebody who doesnt understand would complain about. Tech advances every day.
This relationship you speak of is only misunderstood by people like you. Sony had long talked about releasing upgradeable consoles.

I don't know why, in Neogaf there is a lot of optimism about this turning out all right. There is a spanish forum I also read, and they are not liking his news one bit. Like 7 posts out of 10 are from people against PS4k.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

I leaked in a way that makes me think that Sony does not really care all that much.

I mean people were apparently talking about it pretty openly at GDC.

I wouldn't say it was openly talked about but a lot doesn't make sense since Patrick broke the story:

No update/follow up to the GDC story.
No other game press have heard anything about this except The Know. Colin and Greg seem perplexed about this news!
Yet it seems the retailers have been completely briefed about specs/name/price/launch date.

It is completely the wrong way round from the "norm"....

 

[gundamkyoukai]

First party studios do though. ANd I would say with the support WItcher 3 had, and the re-write of their engine mid development, I would say they did spend more.

AC Syndicate was already in production on the new engine that wasn't even a full engine with proper tools, they still had to retool that game as well.

It does cost money, and if they brute force it it's going to cost more with every game that uses that un-optimzied engine and game code.

There's a reason Respawn used Source for titanfall. And that was because of time, ease of use, and being able to scale plus cost effective.

You seem to forget that the big engines already scale rather well.
Yes witcher 3 and AC had problems but it was there first next gen game on a new engine but engines will get over time with or with PS4k .
UE4 and frostbite don't seem to have a problem .
I really don't see how it going cost so much more extra money if DICE say for eg .
On PS4K lets make SW BF 1080p and add some better AA and leave it at that .

 

[Obliterator]

I wouldn't say it was openly talked about but a lot doesn't make sense since Patrick broke the story:

No update/follow up to the GDC story.
No other game press have heard anything about this except The Know. Colin and Greg seem perplexed about this news!
Yet it seems the retailers have been completely briefed about specs/name/price/launch date.

It is completely the wrong way round from the "norm"....

I really hope Patrick has a follow up story hitting soon. I'd like to get something a little more solid on this thing, because yes, outside the OP everything on PS4.5 has been very vague

 

[DeepEnigma]

Oh wow, this is some serious anger here. Surely, there must be some kind of boycott we can lead! LET US JOIN HANDS AND FIGHT THIS INJUSTICE!



Oh. Well. Never mind, then. I guess

Always fun to see people struggle with their cognitive dissonance, only to break through the tribal conditioning of the first instinct of fight or flight... to accept they truly do want it, lol.

You seem to forget that the big engines already scale rather well.
Yes witcher 3 and AC had problems but it was there first next gen game on a new engine but engines will get over time with or with PS4k .
UE4 and frostbite don't seem to have a problem .
I really don't see how it going cost so much more extra money if DICE say for eg .
On PS4K lets make SW BF 1080p and add some better AA and leave it at that .

Agreed.

 

[The God]

And neither will the sales. So.

I didn't say they would, and that doesn't mean the announcement won't piss some people off and push them away.

 

[joecanada]

Are you really not getting this? Why some people are reacting negatively? Why this could be seen as a bit of a stab in the back of Sonys existing userbase?

The perks of buying a console rather than gaming exclusively on a PC used to include this:
You'd be able to play all new games that comes out for a period of at least 5 years, and you could feel content that no one on your platform had a significantly better experience than you because they had better hardware (ie. more money).
In competitive contexts, this also means that no one has an edge on you due to hardware. You're all equal, except for your actual skill.

If this is true, Sony basically shits all over this established relationship between consumers and console manufacturers. And people won't like it.

Yeah, I'll probably buy it. I'm an adult man with a lot of disposable income. I can buy things. But that doesn't mean that I like what this means for the consoles as a platform.

what you are saying still only boils down to one thing. You want to make everyone else have the same experience as you no matter what they want. So no, I don't get it. Let people buy 80 inch 4k tvs if they want, and a ps4K too, it does not affect you at all except apparently you want no one to be able to have what you "don't want" (quotes because it's not what you can't have as you stated). All these posts basically boil down to jealousy or bitterness unless real evidence of downporting shit ports on ps4 has been shown.

it was meant to play off of the 4k moniker.

I will eventually buy one when I feel the line up is strong enough (for me). I had a Playstation 4 and sold it after I completed Bloodborne. This generation still doesn't seem like it has started (to me) yet

uhhhhhhhh.... you said 4000% support. I extrapolated that 100% meant buying one and 4000 meant buying 40. I am re-adjusting your support to 90% and you should be ashamed