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See, I would be perfectly happy with this.

The extra power not diminishing the base game on the standard PS4.

But just giving 60FPS to those who want it, can afford it, and feel like PC is their only option to really play 60FPS with all the bells and whistles.

Best of both worlds.

And I will be shellshocked if Crash isn't one of the first nukes fired at the Sony conference in June.

Seeing a new Crash game wouldn't be suprising, but Pixar quality visuals? Never gonna happen anytime soon outside of a pre-rendered CG trailer.

 

[Jingo]

For the usual costumer, would you buy a new console if they were just saying" hey it plays games at 60fps!!"? Theres got to be more than that, this is not a new iphone were most people just buy it cause its fashion.

 

[2thepoint]

Hold the phone a minute.

PS4K
Xbox1.5
NXtendo

Why should I buy any mid gen medium upgrade console when I can just wait 2/3 more years for next generation? If these consoles get the same games with a few graphic updates I'm just not sure enough people will care. As long as this doesn't continue and become more frequent it's cool to waste money I guess. Kinda suck if they expect me to pay full price for either version of the game though. But surely they won't sell PS4K games at a premium. That could just make early midgen adopters angry.

Sounds to me like we are getting a new generation of consoles way too early.

Doesn't the whole idea of these mid gen refreshes imply that the console successors will more than likely be at least 3 years away from announce.

I refuse to believe though that Sony will leave this gen linger as long as PS3 - what was that, 8 years?

Way too long.

I would be ok with:

February 2019: Playstation Meeting - PS5
E3 2019: Massive Blow out - PS5
November 2019 - Release

Stretch that to 2020 depending on what ifs, but no later than that.

 

[2thepoint]

Seeing a new Crash game wouldn't be suprising, but Pixar quality visuals? Never gonna happen anytime soon outside of a pre-rendered CG trailer.

Well, I didn't mean literally, but more along the lines of Ratchet PS4.

That engine is something else.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

The Last of Us 2 - PS4K - 1080@30 stable
The Last of Us 2 - PS4 - 1080@30 with drop

This is more realistic.

Nah i can see ND doing 60fps.
So it will be 1080p@60fps for both MP and SP.

Doesn't the whole idea of these mid gen refreshes imply that the console successors will more than likely be at least 3 years away from announce.

I refuse to believe though that Sony will leave this gen linger as long as PS3 - what was that, 8 years?

Way too long.

It might not be up to Sony die shrinks are taking a real long time now .
Guess it will depend on the tech that out during that time.

 

[Creaking]

Seeing a new Crash game wouldn't be suprising, but Pixar quality visuals? Never gonna happen anytime soon outside of a pre-rendered CG trailer.

Ratchet and Clank has some fooled. Obviously the fidelity is never going to match a render farm quality animated film, but the differences are becoming fewer and fewer.

 

[AzaK]

Is that from an in-game cutscene? Good Lord that looks amazing.

If that is, that's pretty damned good. Still a long way to go (Dead eyes) but once they can nail that, things will be VERY interesting.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

The Last of Us 2 - PS4K - 1080@60
The Last of Us 2 - PS4 - 1080@30

Multiplayer - 1080p/60fps too.

 

[wapplew]

But if you're EA and try to sell a FIFA or AC each year, then 8 year life-cycles are stupid, as the only thing you can do is to update player lists for example or just change the setting.

Haven't they done that on PS4 & Xbox one already? 720p to 1080p, that's all they do with FIFA.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

The Last of Us 2 - PS4K - 1080@30 stable
The Last of Us 2 - PS4 - 1080@30 with drop

This is more realistic.

All settings on PS4 will be low if so.

 

[darkinstinct]

1. Push 4k TVs, which they sell, too, and profit from 4k becoming the standard TV format within the mid- and premium-TV segments.
2. Push 4k Blu-Rays, because they get royalties from those.
3. Embrace themselves for actions of the competition, which won't wait another 8 years with their new console.
4. Look out for new profitable business models and balance out them cash flows over the generation's life-cycle.
5. Follow the needs of game developers which want more power and possibilities to sell the latest successors of their main IPs.

I don't think it's any of those. They just don't want to lose the VR race because of too little power.

 

[daman824]

All settings on PS4 will be low if so.

Low? Tlou2 isn't coming out on pc. So there won't be anything to compare the vanilla ps4 version to other than the ps4k version.

The ps4k version of a naughty dog game like the last of us 2 is going to look and run better on the ps4k. No doubt about it. And the reason for that isn't just because of the stronger hardware, it's also because that's where most of the development resources will go.

And it'll extend beyond resolution, unless the ps4 version runs at 900p

 

[Bitch Pudding]

I don't think it's any of those. They just don't want to lose the VR race because of too little power.

Well, if they win (against whom, actually), then because of that 40mn install base, not because they launch a new SKU at the same time.

 

[Tratorn]

I don't think it's any of those. They just don't want to lose the VR race because of too little power.

Doesn't make sense, because the games run on PS4 too, so anything what can't be done on PS4, it can't be done on PS4K either.
And if they let developers make them exclusive to PS4K... oh man, let the shitstorm begin.

 

[wapplew]

I don't think it's any of those. They just don't want to lose the VR race because of too little power.

What VR race? We don't even know how big VR market will eventually be, it could be pretty small.
Worth risking console market lead for that?

 

[ninjablade]

I highly doubt devs will target 60 fps versions of the same games. Or at least, that most will.

Getting as much as possible at 30fps is always what's the priority. Anyone who doesn't think Sony or any other publisher is going to use the ps4k version of exclusives in marketing is lying to themselves. On the back of these games boxes, it'll be pictures of the upgraded version, on TV and on the Internet, it'll be the upgraded version. Hell, I bet one of the ways the'll try and sell the system is to show the ps4k and the vanilla ps4 version of games running side by side.

And what about games that are already at 60fps like call of duty or battlefield? Sure battlefield will be at full 1080p now, but that's only what, a 40% pixel increase? What will they do with the rest of the power? Increase the fps past 60? No way.

Sure, some developers will just bump up the framerate. Probably a ton of smaller studios will. But a ton of developers, including first party ones, will focus on how the game looks, not how it runs. And it's going to start with games like god of war 4 that are being developed on the ps4k and then being ported down.

Gow needs 60fps they tried with gow 3 on ps3 but it was around 40-45 fps, and making it 60fps will make there job much easier porting down to ps4, not to mention make gameplay much better, as for naughty dog they want 60fps, I'm sure all there games will run 60fps on PS4K I think open world games will stay at 30fps and make the ps4 version look like crap.

 

[Muzicfreq]

Sadly after ReviewfartUSA videos about this he's more realistic than some of the claims here

Small revision smoothing gameplay from the 26-30 to stable 30fps which also benefits VR making the framerate a tad smoother
if anything this is most likely the case along with possible a scalar chip for 4k upscale
The whole down scale of the system to slimmer is reasonable with smaller chips like how the PS3 did from the Big Mac to the simple cheese burger.

This thread talking 2x gpu power though sound waaaayyy too far fetched for this and really has no concrete sources.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I don't think it's any of those. They just don't want to lose the VR race because of too little power.

I don't think that is the case .
I think they want to find a way to keep there market share on going .
Starting back at zero install base its a risk for them and pubs .

 

[wapplew]

Sadly after ReviewfartUSA videos about this he's more realistic than some of the claims here

Small revision smoothing gameplay from the 26-30 to stable 30fps which also benefits VR making the framerate a tad smoother
if anything this is most likely the case along with possible a scalar chip for 4k upscale
The whole down scale of the system to slimmer is reasonable with smaller chips like how the PS3 did from the Big Mac to the simple cheese burger.

This thread talking 2x gpu power though sound waaaayyy too far fetched for this and really has no concrete sources.

How creditable is ReviewfartUSA? Because that's music in my ears.

 

[Aostia]

So at least this wasnt an april fool joke right?

 

[2thepoint]

I don't think that is the case .
I think they want to find a way to keep there market share on going .
Starting back at zero install base its a risk for them and pubs .

Wouldn't the substantial back catalog of games from PS Plus subscriptions over long periods be a massive disincentive for Playstation fans to migrate to other platforms when next gen hits.

Factor in also that Playstation brand is gigantic worldwide, bigger than Nintendo and Microsoft, and is just too strong to fail bar a brand nuclear implosion, which with Andrew House at the lead, would probably never happen.

 

[daman824]

Gow needs 60fps they tried with gow 3 on ps3 but it was around 40-45 fps, and making it 60fps will make there job much easier porting down to ps4, not to mention make gameplay much better, as for naughty dog they want 60fps, I'm sure all there games will run 60fps on PS4K I think open world games will stay at 30fps and make the ps4 version look like crap.

A God of war game has never ran at 60fps unless it was a remastered version.

Considering God of War 4 is being developed to take full advantage of the ps4k it's pretty safe to say that most of the team at ssm is working on making that version sing. It will have extra bells and whistles outside of framerate and resolution that the vanilla ps4 version doesn't have. Sony is going to use the game to get people to upgrade, so of course they are going to make sure it looks better. Because that's the first thing that grabs people's attention when they see a game


Also, both Sony and Microsoft have a decent amount resting on this. If this succeeds, it changes the game. These stop-gap systems probably don't cost as much for Sony and Microsoft to develop, but they are sold for a profit. If they can get a majority of their base to get comfortable spending $400-$500 every three years instead of every 6, that's a ton of extra profit. They have to get this first impression right

 

[hateradio]

The Last of Us 2 - PS4K - 1080@30 stable
The Last of Us 2 - PS4 - 1080@30 with drop

This is more realistic.

We'll see how they do with Uncharted 4.

Hold the phone a minute.

PS4K
Xbox1.5
NXtendo

Why should I buy any mid gen medium upgrade console when I can just wait 2/3 more years for next generation?

I do feel like they're being a bit greedy in that they already have a large install base (Sony especially) but they want more.

If there's a trade in, I could see some more people willing to go for the new system, but it's a lot of money considering they had that awkward 10-year plan with the PS3.

 

[Muzicfreq]

How creditable is ReviewfartUSA? Because that's music in my ears.

It's actually Reviewtechusa who's not very popular but comments about gaming news and his opinions.
I watch some stuff of his because with some things he's level headed and can make logical guesses.
He mentioned how sony apparently did this move with the PS1 where the new ones had a bit more clock speed to smooth out some of the games.

 

[Peterc]

Beside that the ps4k will be more powerful, what will the 4k do more?
For what will it be used, will it be used for games or only video? I've a 4k curved TV

 

[RaijinFY]

It's actually Reviewtechusa who's not very popular but comments about gaming news and his opinions.
I watch some stuff of his because with some things he's level headed and can make logical guesses.
He mentioned how sony apparently did this move with the PS1 where the new ones had a bit more clock speed to smooth out some of the games.

Basically he doesnt know shit...

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Wouldn't the substantial back catalog of games from PS Plus subscriptions over long periods be a massive disincentive for Playstation fans to migrate to other platforms when next gen hits.

Factor in also that Playstation brand is gigantic worldwide, bigger than Nintendo and Microsoft, and is just too strong to fail bar a brand nuclear implosion, which with Andrew House at the lead, would probably never happen.

I don't think people value PS + games that much to stay in the eco system .
In fact i don't think people value games that much at all .

 

[Muzicfreq]

Basically he doesnt know shit...

And the people here claiming it will do your taxes and make your bed and fix toast and is a refresh in gaming know more?

He just speaks from years and years of gaming experience and how the industry has moved in the years.

 

[Wishmaster92]

The Last of Us 2 - PS4K - 1080@60
The Last of Us 2 - PS4 - 1080@30

Crash like a Pixar movie? :lol

Add to that better aa for ps4k and we have a winner. Remember the gpu is TWICE as powerful and much faster (as per op) add to that the cpu is getting a major increase, a $100 cpu difference on a closed console is huge! It has to be a really nice cpu, i just wish we knew what it is.

 

[ninjablade]

A God of war game has never ran at 60fps unless it was a remastered version.

Considering God of War 4 is being developed to take full advantage of the ps4k it's pretty safe to say that most of the team at ssm is working on making that version sing. It will have extra bells and whistles outside of framerate and resolution that the vanilla ps4 version doesn't have. Sony is going to use the game to get people to upgrade, so of course they are going to make sure it looks better. Because that's the first thing that grabs people's attention when they see a game


Also, both Sony and Microsoft have a decent amount resting on this. If this succeeds, it changes the game. These stop-gap systems probably don't cost as much for Sony and Microsoft to develop, but they are sold for a profit. If they can get a majority of their base to get comfortable spending $400-$500 every three years instead of every 6, that's a ton of extra profit. They have to get this first impression right

Dude look at uncharted 4, drive club and the order 1886, making much better graphics then then that will break the bank, and take too long to ever be released.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

And the people here claiming it will do your taxes and make your bed and fix toast and is a refresh in gaming know more?

He just speaks from years and years of gaming experience and how the industry has moved in the years.

The industry can change for eg what Nintendo did with Wii .
It was the first time we ever had a jump that small power wise from one system to the next gen.

 

[daman824]

Dude look at uncharted 4, drive club and the order 1886, making much better graphics then then that will break the bank, and take too long to ever be released.

So then ps5/ps6 games are just going to look like ps4 games? We've hit the ceiling?

People are trying to downplay the power increase. And sure it's not an 8x difference that normally comes with an entirely new generation. But just look at the difference between xb1 and ps4 versions of games. Dark souls 3 On xb1 runs at 900p and is STILL less stable framerate wise than the ps4 version. And that's mainly because the ps4 has a gpu that's 40% stronger than what's in the xb1.

If the ps4k has a gpu that's twice as powerful, AND a significantly stronger cpu, ps4k versions of games will look AND run better than vanilla ps4 versions.

 

[Muzicfreq]

The industry can change for eg what Nintendo did with Wii .
It was the first time we ever had a jump that small power wise from one system to the next .

Look where they're at now though..... Wii U at what? 10mil world wide after a few years? N3DS kinda like a what is this product?
NX will have to be a true upgrade for people to give a damn at this point.

 

[GlamFM]

Did I miss something while I was sleeping?

 

[ninjablade]

So then ps5/ps6 games are just going to look like ps4 games? We've hit the ceiling?

I don't think we hit the ceiling yet but we're getting there, and these games just take way to long to make, developers will start focusing on 60fps, aa, and resolution with better hardware, except for open world games. Last us on ps4 still looks good, so yeah we are getting there.

 

[The God]

Did I miss something while I was sleeping?

Boogz posts about four pages or so ago.

 

[Wishmaster92]

So then ps5/ps6 games are just going to look like ps4 games? We've hit the ceiling?

People are trying to downplay the power increase. And sure it's not an 8x difference that normally comes with an entirely new generation. But just look at the difference between xb1 and ps4 versions of games. Dark souls 3 On xb1 runs at 900p and is STILL less stable framerate wise than the ps4 version. And that's mainly because the ps4 has a gpu that's 40% stronger than what's in the xb1.

If the ps4k has a gpu that's twice as powerful, AND a significantly stronger cpu, ps4k versions of games will look AND run better than vanilla ps4 versions.

sums it up nicely.

 

[wapplew]

I don't think we hit the ceiling yet but we're getting there, and these games just take way to long to make, developers will start focusing on 60fps, aa, and resolution with better hardware, except for open world games. Last us on ps4 still looks good, so yeah we are getting there.

So, this is Sony want PS4 become the ceiling, from here on all we get is fake sense of upgrade with bell and whistle.
Good for development cost I guess.

 

[clintar]

Didn't he deny the XBox 1.5 exists? Unless he is obviously saying this for the obvious reasons.


http://www.gamespot.com/articles/dont-expect-xbox-one-and-a-half-xbox-head-says/1100-6436510/

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/there-won-t-be-an-xbox-1-5-says-phil-spencer-1318199

"I'm not a big fan of Xbox One and a half. If we're going to move forward, I want to move forward in big numbers,"

So not Xbox 1.5. Bigger numbers. Then they would name it Xbox Four? Xbox Four K?

 

[erlim]

"I'm not a big fan of Xbox One and a half. If we're going to move forward, I want to move forward in big numbers,"

So not Xbox 1.5. Bigger numbers. Then they would name it Xbox Four? Xbox Four K?

Xbox forty x thousand x

 

[GlamFM]

Boogz posts about four pages or so ago.

Thanks. He basically just confirms stuff we know, right?

Did not catch anything new regarding the PS4K.

I´m a little worried about the NX though.

 

[ninjablade]

So, this is Sony want PS4 become the ceiling, from here on all we get is fake sense of upgrade with bell and whistle.
Good for development cost I guess.

The only logical explanation for me is sony is taking a risk and trying to tap into the enthusiast market, people that wants the best if it goes good for them they might do it every gen, with each gen lasting 6 years.

 

[Ozorov]

Twice as powerful GPU, so close to 4TF?

 

[Gitaroo]

Twice as powerful GPU, so close to 4TF?

no, PS4 is 1.8TF with CPU+ GPU I think. Double the GPU alone is much lower.

 

[2thepoint]

no, PS4 is 1.8TF with CPU+ GPU I think. Double the GPU alone is much lower.

No, its 1.83 or 1.84 TF for the GPU alone, not CPU.

 

[Fess]

You see I don't get this right here. You can ethere enjoy your ps4 or upgrade, it's like me saying I can't enjoy third party games cause there are better versions on pc, it's ridiculous, and all in your mind. yes 60fps makes a huge difference, but doesn't mean I can't enjoy what I have cause there is a better version.

I don't think it's ridiculous in any way, if I think a game seems fun I obviously want to play the best version of it.
What's so strange about that?

I don't get a cross gen game for PS3 now that I have a PS4, I'm sure the game is fun there too but why would I want that version?
If I have a PS4 then I get the game on PS4.
And if I have a PC then I get a multiplat on PC.
And if I don't have a PC then I'll be a bit bummed that I can't play the game with that graphics/framerate/resolution on PS4 or PS4K.
And if I don't have a PS4K then I'll be a bit bummed that I can't play the game with that graphics/framerate/resolution on PS4.

Ridiculous way of thinking? I don't think so. I just want the best version. Within my budget of course, I wouldn't spend 100k on a PC rig only to get all games to run at 300fps ;P

This is why it's such an outrage about this from my point of view. People didn't suddenly start disliking PS4, they just want to play the best versions of the games they like. And as a console gamer who don't want to spend 30k on a PC they could do that on PS4, the definitive console version. But if the PS4K rumors are true they might have to upgrade the console to get the best version, a purchase they never wanted to do and an upgrade they never even thought was neccessary, until now.

 

[Peterc]

I feel like Sony doesn't need to have a stronger ps4.
Maybe they need it for psvr, I don't see why they should be afraid for NX.
If nintendo would bring something new again, sony just will copy it again.

Even, not many people has 4k TV's.

They promised the psvr will run always on 60 frames/sec. I think with the current ps4, it wouldn't be possible.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Sadly after ReviewfartUSA videos about this he's more realistic than some of the claims here

Small revision smoothing gameplay from the 26-30 to stable 30fps which also benefits VR making the framerate a tad smoother
if anything this is most likely the case along with possible a scalar chip for 4k upscale
The whole down scale of the system to slimmer is reasonable with smaller chips like how the PS3 did from the Big Mac to the simple cheese burger.

This thread talking 2x gpu power though sound waaaayyy too far fetched for this and really has no concrete sources.

You just desperately don't want it to be true, but it most likely is true.

 

[GlamFM]

I feel like Sony doesn't need to have a stronger ps4.
Maybe they need it for psvr, I don't see why they should be afraid for NX.
If nintendo would bring something new again, sony just will copy it again.

Even, not many people has 4k TV's.

They promised the psvr will run always on 60 frames/sec. I think with the current ps4, it wouldn't be possible.

It is. It´s mandatory AFAIK.

 

[2thepoint]

You just desperately don't want it to be true, but it most likely is true.

They say where there's smoke, there's fire.

And this thing is burning out of control.

It's obviously true, and with all the confusion, I expect an announcement within the month or May at the latest.