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[Dead]

Yeah, thinking about it, Knightmare was literally THE perfect setup to tease the league members

Baffling oversight

 

[Poodlestrike]

Cutting it out entirely would be better. It's way too long to be just a JL tease, and the message it sends ("Batman might be right") runs entirely counter to the thesis of the film. Use the videos, just weave them in more organically.

 

[Zzoram]

Was discussing the movie earlier today with a friend, and we talked about the Knightmare, and how else we would have used it.

I thought, what if

The movie cold opens to the scene of Batman exiting the bunker and seeing the ruined city with the scorched Omega emblem, cue movie title "Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice, Start with Ben's narration (maybe extended a bit) and focus into Batman's face, cloaked, then fade into black and then into the existing Wayne murder opening

sometime during the first 1/3rd of the movie, take the sequence from Batman meeting up with his goons up to the point where he gets knocked out by the Parademon after the battle

finally, have the scene with him and superman, and instead of him waking up and having the Flash warning, he wakes up and clutches his chest in pain, as if there was a connection (read: alternate universe bleeding into reality) and they emphasize that he felt like he experienced those events, like a waking dream.

And finally, instead of teasing the Justice League through the email, have a post credits scene that takes place in the Knightmare that teases the remaining Justice League members in their Knightmare getup, led by Wonder Woman deciding "we have to go back" or something.

Going the DOFP route, starting with a world conquered by Darkseid and ending with the team dying to get the Flash what he needs to go back in time for a Justice League Part 1 movie actually would be awesome. Part 2 could then be the Flash bringing the team together earlier to stop Darkseid just as he arrives.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

The flow would still have been pretty wonky if the knightmare sequence was completely disconnected and we just flash back and forth. It would have screwed with the momentum, but hey better than "Nancy Drew and the Mystery of the Magic Bullet".

 

[Zzoram]

Cutting it out entirely would be better. It's way too long to be just a JL tease, and the message it sends ("Batman might be right") runs entirely counter to the thesis of the film. Use the videos, just weave them in more organically.

I was expecting to see them all watching Doomsday on TV then head towards Metropolis, not for Wonder Woman to watch a series of movie trailers from an email from Batman at a random point in the movie.

 

[Poodlestrike]

I was expecting to see them all watching Doomsday on TV then head towards Metropolis, not for Wonder Woman to watch a series of movie trailers from an email from Batman at a random point in the movie.

Yeah :/

Probably the best way to do it would be to just have it as a post-credits sting, but since they clearly want to differentiate themselves from Marvel on that front, I'd have it either be at the end when they actually start talking about the JL or as part of a thing with Lex where he's got them all up on different monitors at once, showing how he's spying on metahumans all over the world, all at once.

 

[Brakke]

Lol don't be clowns. That terrorist dude is dead as shit. Superman fucking lied.

 

[Dahbomb]

Was discussing the movie earlier today with a friend, and we talked about the Knightmare, and how else we would have used it.

I thought, what if

The movie cold opens to the scene of Batman exiting the bunker and seeing the ruined city with the scorched Omega emblem, cue movie title "Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice, Start with Ben's narration (maybe extended a bit) and focus into Batman's face, cloaked, then fade into black and then into the existing Wayne murder opening

sometime during the first 1/3rd of the movie, take the sequence from Batman meeting up with his goons up to the point where he gets knocked out by the Parademon after the battle

finally, have the scene with him and superman, and instead of him waking up and having the Flash warning, he wakes up and clutches his chest in pain, as if there was a connection (read: alternate universe bleeding into reality) and they emphasize that he felt like he experienced those events, like a waking dream.

And finally, instead of teasing the Justice League through the email, have a post credits scene that takes place in the Knightmare that teases the remaining Justice League members in their Knightmare getup, led by Wonder Woman deciding "we have to go back" or something.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

He could've just pushed the guy right against the wall (not through it) and crumbled the gun in his hand. Hell, add insult to injury by having Superman just condescend to him. "Now, you're going to apologize to this nice lady."

Hell, have Supes catch the bullet about to be fired into Jimmy's head.

He could have melted the gun with heat vision.

"Superman standing off with dude who has hostage" is like one of the most common things he deals with in comic books, but he never has to put someone through 3 walls to solve it.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Lol don't be clowns. That terrorist dude is dead as shit. Superman fucking lied.

Oh for fuck's sake.

 

[ArtHands]

They can't have a post credit scene. They don't want it, because they said they are not marvel.

 

[inky]

He could have melted the gun with heat vision.

"Superman standing off with dude who has hostage" is like one of the most common things he deals with in comic books, but he never has to put someone through 3 walls to solve it.

Yeah, he could've done a million things. I thought he was just going to slow mo his way to Lois and put his hand at the end of the gun or something like that. I laughed out loud when he pureed him through 3 fucking walls at 200mph.

Well, that was unnecessary.

 

[Dahbomb]

I am really curious to see how the Knightmare sequence pans out in JL or beyond.

Like I am assuming what happens is:

*Batman and WW assemble the JL.
*Darkseid invades earth.
*Superman somehow comes back to life.
*Lois Lane gets killed and Batman is involved, Superman turns dark side (pun intended, get at me)
*Earth gets taken over, Batman leads the resistance with the JL.
*Batman makes plan to take down Superman and Darkseid... he gets double crossed and gets held captive... probably dies.
*Flash and company realize they are screwed... concoct plan to travel back in time to prevent stuff from happening.


My thing is that if Flash successfully goes back in time and changes this future... what happens then? Lois Lane lives and Darkseid is defeated? I feel that there has to be some repercussion to the time travel.

My hope is that Flash goes back in time but ends up going too far back or something and it messes up the timeline to result in the Flashpoint Paradox. Then when he fixes that the timeline goes back to pre BvS and we have a different DCU altogether.

Maybe.. who knows. Lots of stuff they can do in the DCU.

 

[Zzoram]

Superman joining Darkseid because Lois dies would entirely justify BvS Batman's fear that Superman will eventually go bad.

 

[broncobuster]

Prior to release I kept thinking the film cold opens on the Knightmare. Cut from Bruce getting his heart smashed to the Metropolis attack. Save the Wayne murder flashback for when Bruce is glaring at the Batsuit.

 

[smurfx]

saw the movie a while ago. think i liked it better than the avengers. who was that guy that appeared in batman's dream?

 

[Poodlestrike]

saw the movie a while ago. think i liked it better than the avengers. who was that guy that appeared in batman's dream?

Flash, wearing some kind of weird armor/tech costume. His regular look's closer to normal.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

The Blu-Ray should let you rearrange the scenes in the movie

 

[adj_noun]

The Blu-Ray should let you rearrange the scenes in the movie

I'd have to hit "shuffle" at least once.

 

[Zzoram]

Flash, wearing some kind of weird armor/tech costume. His regular look's closer to normal.

It's a scene that feels really out of place and confused most viewers and apparently had no impact on the rest of the movie. It probably shouldn't have been in the movie.

 

[Zoe]

I'm pretty sure going through three concrete walls at that speed will kill any regular human being.

This is assuming that he was using that guy's body to beak through the wall. He could have just as easily punched through the wall while holding onto the guy.

 

[Dead]

The whole Africa scene is supposedly the scene that was cut the most, so it's possible there will be a definitive answer in the director's cut.

 

[Zzoram]

This is assuming that he was using that guy's body to beak through the wall. He could have just as easily punched through the wall while holding onto the guy.

He could've just grabbed the gun, but he didn't.

 

[CloudyTuba]

I'd have to hit "shuffle" at least once.

That's what Snyder did!

 

[Jarmel]

This is assuming that he was using that guy's body to beak through the wall. He could have just as easily punched through the wall while holding onto the guy.

The whiplash alone would have killed the guy. The walls are inconsequential.

 

[duckroll]

He could've just grabbed the gun, but he didn't.

He could have brought him flowers, and sat him down and told him a touching story of why he shouldn't do bad things anymore. While he was at it, maybe he could have held the guy back and allowed Lois to finish her interview too. Huurrrrr?

 

[Jarmel]

While he was at it, maybe he could have held the guy back and allowed Lois to finish her interview too. Huurrrrr?

But that would require people at the Daily Planet to actually do their jobs!

 

[Zzoram]

But that would require people at the Daily Planet to actually do their jobs!

Probably the most unrealistic thing about the movie is that a rookie journalist with no experience could mouth off to his boss then flat out not write a story he was supposed to, leaving a blank spot in their newspaper, and not be fired.

 

[Alandrus Sun]

Oh man I've just been listening to the "Previously Recorded" stream of their BvS Spoiler discussion and I'm just having a blast. They even managed to bring up further points that make no sense in this movie that I hadn't even thought about. For instance, why at the end does Batman do his little "joke" about WW when he's like, "I thought she was with you?" Remember, Batman is the one who figured out who she was and sent her the email basically telling her to help him out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEJb_3IFBw

Damn you, Rich Evans for making me hate this movie even more.

 

[duckroll]

Probably the most unrealistic thing about the movie is that a rookie journalist with no experience would mouth off to his boss then flat out not write a story he was supposed to, leaving a blank spot in their newspaper, and not be fired.

He's been there for over a year though. I would think by now everyone would know him as the dude who disappears during work hours and for some reason no one cares!

 

[Jarmel]

Oh man I've just been listening to the "Previously Recorded" stream of their BvS Spoiler discussion and I'm just having a blast. They even managed to bring up further points that make no sense in this movie that I hadn't even thought about. For instance, why at the end does Batman do his little "joke" about WW when he's like, "I thought she was with you? Remember, Batman is the one who figured out who she was and sent her the email basically telling her to help him out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEJb_3IFBw

Damn you, Rich Evans for making me hate this movie even more.

For that one I thought Batman just assumed that she was an alien like Superman, thus the two knowing each other.

 

[jackdoe]

He's been there for over a year though. I would think by now everyone would know him as the dude who disappears during work hours and for some reason no one cares!

Haha, it's hilarious how easy it is to get a job at a newspaper in superhero media this year. If Civil War has a subplot about Peter Parker easily getting employment at the Daily Bugle, we'll be three for three.

 

[Grinchy]

This movie made me strongly want a prequel, where Batman and Robin are doing their thing, Joker kills Robin, and Batman starts the transition into the psychopath he is in BvS. I think it would be a cool standalone.

 

[Disgraced]

For that one I thought Batman just assumed that she was an alien like Superman, thus the two knowing each other.

Right, I mean, he is racist against aliens after all. Makes sense he'd think that way.

Perfect logic, perfect screenwriting, perfect movie.

 

[Sephzilla]

Just got out of the theater a little while ago. I don't think it's as bad as the critics are saying but the movie is still far from good. I'm just going to rant a little bit on a few bullet points.

• The Batman dream sequences feel horribly edited and way out of place in this movie
• Do you want a Superman who inspires people and represents the best in humanity? Yeah, don't watch this movie.
• Do you want a Batman who's a Dark Knight that fights for justice and ultimately tries to help the twisted minds he stops? Nah, not here
• Wonder Woman was actually pretty solid. Too bad she has no character in this movie and is literally just here to pad out the Doomsday fight a little bit and serve as a gateway to some Justice League stuff
• Stop trying to make Cyborg happen, DC.
• This Flash isn't Grant Gustin. I don't care.
• Aquaman looked cool but did he really have to stare at that underwater drone for a solid 45 seconds before destroying it?
• Batman not only murders people in this movie, he gives zero shits about murdering people in this movie
• Lex Luthor is horribly miscast.
• Why does Lois immediately know to go for the Kryptonite spear even though she has no fucking clue as to what Batman and Superman are fighting against?!
• HEY CLARK HAND THE KRYPTONITE SPEAR TO THE WARRIOR CHICK WHO DOESN'T GET HURT BY KRYPTONITE THAT WAY DOOMSDAY WONT DEATH-STAB SOMEONE
• Superman also murders that TOTALLY-NOT-ISIS guy who's threatening Lois.
• Hey Superman, if you need Batman's help how about you open up with "Batman, I need our help" and also DONT FIGHT BACK
• The title of the movie is Batman v Superman. The Batman v Superman part of this movie lasts about 5 minutes.
• Man, Lex managed to capture Martha Kent and move her to Metropolis really fucking fast.
• The only character who seemed executed remotely well was Doomsday (powerhouse who gets stronger the more he's hurt, and can murder a Kryptonian). I guess it's fitting that the only character Snyder gets right is a shallow 90s character
• Man, the US Government can launch nukes really fucking fast
• Wow, large chunks of Gotham and Metropolis were conveniently abandoned so that we could have Man of Steel level destruction without consequence

 

[The Silver]

Oh man I've just been listening to the "Previously Recorded" stream of their BvS Spoiler discussion and I'm just having a blast. They even managed to bring up further points that make no sense in this movie that I hadn't even thought about. For instance, why at the end does Batman do his little "joke" about WW when he's like, "I thought she was with you?" Remember, Batman is the one who figured out who she was and sent her the email basically telling her to help him out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEJb_3IFBw

Damn you, Rich Evans for making me hate this movie even more.

He asked for her help? All I remember is the ellipses and him asking who she really was.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Oh man I've just been listening to the "Previously Recorded" stream of their BvS Spoiler discussion and I'm just having a blast. They even managed to bring up further points that make no sense in this movie that I hadn't even thought about. For instance, why at the end does Batman do his little "joke" about WW when he's like, "I thought she was with you?" Remember, Batman is the one who figured out who she was and sent her the email basically telling her to help him out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEJb_3IFBw

Damn you, Rich Evans for making me hate this movie even more.

Because she has super powers and so does Superman.

 

[Dahbomb]

Oh man I've just been listening to the "Previously Recorded" stream of their BvS Spoiler discussion and I'm just having a blast. They even managed to bring up further points that make no sense in this movie that I hadn't even thought about. For instance, why at the end does Batman do his little "joke" about WW when he's like, "I thought she was with you?" Remember, Batman is the one who figured out who she was and sent her the email basically telling her to help him out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEJb_3IFBw

Damn you, Rich Evans for making me hate this movie even more.

That makes sense, Batman thought WW was like Superman and though they knew each other because they had super powers.

Batman didn't ask for WW's help.

 

[Dominator]

Oh man I've just been listening to the "Previously Recorded" stream of their BvS Spoiler discussion and I'm just having a blast. They even managed to bring up further points that make no sense in this movie that I hadn't even thought about. For instance, why at the end does Batman do his little "joke" about WW when he's like, "I thought she was with you?" Remember, Batman is the one who figured out who she was and sent her the email basically telling her to help him out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEJb_3IFBw

Damn you, Rich Evans for making me hate this movie even more.

Come on dude. He doesn't ask for her help in the email, and if I was Batman I would assume Superman might know another super being, hence that scene.

We get it, you hate the film lol

 

[Sephzilla]

Batman doesn't ask for help, but him assuming Wonder Woman was with Superman is a MASSIVE fucking stretch that still makes no sense.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Batman doesn't ask for help, but him assuming Wonder Woman was with Superman is a MASSIVE fucking stretch that still makes no sense.

It's a fucking joke in a mediocre movie with enough there to explain it.

 

[Dahbomb]

It's a god damn throwaway quip that people are over analyzing. And even when you analyze it you realize that it is plausible. Superman is the only super powered individual that Batman knows so it's a legitimate assumption to make that he knows the only other super powered individual Wonder Woman.

Not even in the same stratosphere as how Lois Lane figured out that Doomsday was weak to Kryptonite.

This is what happens when you make your movie super serious... people over analyze ever single line in the movie. That is like the one time the movie isn't being super serious and because the tone was set for the movie, you have to find the reasoning behind it too. No one will ever think twice about the same line in a Marvel movie because people know what they are.

 

[excelsiorlef]

It's a god damn throwaway quip that people are over analyzing.

Not even in the same stratosphere as how Lois Lane figured out that Doomsday was weak to Kryptonite.

I've totally realized that I have a writers brain because I just write/invent explanations to pretty much anything as I'm watching. I just assumed she over heard Batman and Superman talking about it. She probably didn't but I'm going to go with that.

Like the Martha thing, i just assumed it was enough of a trigger for Batman to step back and remember why he does what he does, and how fucked up he's become, which allows Superman to get through to him about his mother Martha. It's why that scene worked for me because in the end Batman was born in that alley.

 

[Nonoriri]

The joke might have worked if Wonder Woman was paying attention to it and reacted but no, it's actually just stupid.

 

[Dahbomb]

I just assumed she over heard Batman and Superman talking about it. She probably didn't but I'm going to go with that.

LOL overheard how? With her super hearing ability? Doomsday wasn't even made when Batman and Superman were talking when she was in close vicinity. After that they are too far away for her to over hear what they were saying. It's a massive leap in logic. Quite frankly she should not have been there in that scene and the only reason she was there was because they wanted someone to be sad over Superman's death. You could tell neither Batman nor WW gave much of a crap when Superman died.

 

[Sephzilla]

It's a god damn throwaway quip that people are over analyzing. And even when you analyze it you realize that it is plausible. Superman is the only super powered individual that Batman knows so it's a legitimate assumption to make that he knows the only other super powered individual Wonder Woman.

Not even in the same stratosphere as how Lois Lane figured out that Doomsday was weak to Kryptonite.

This is what happens when you make your movie super serious... people over analyze ever single line in the movie. That is like the one time the movie isn't being super serious and because the tone was set for the movie, you have to find the reasoning behind it too. No one will ever think twice about the same line in a Marvel movie because people know what they are.

But he just emailed Wonder Woman video files of 3 other meta humans. Plus if we're to assume Batfleck has been around for almost 20 years then he's had to have encountered people like Clayface, Mr Freeze, Killer Croc, ManBat, etc.

And yeah, it's over-analyzing a simple quip.

 

[Brakke]

It's just a quip. It doesn't really land, but neither does it matter. So whatevah.

 

[Dahbomb]

But he just emailed Wonder Woman video files of 3 other meta humans. Plus if we're to assume Batfleck has been around for almost 20 years then he's had to have encountered people like Clayface, Mr Freeze, Killer Croc, ManBat, etc..

It's very likely that Batman assumes WW knows those other people in that file because she was in the file with them.

 

[excelsiorlef]

LOL overheard how? With her super hearing ability? Doomsday wasn't even made when Batman and Superman were talking when she was in close vicinity. After that they are too far away for her to over hear what they were saying. It's a massive leap in logic. Quite frankly she should not have been there in that scene and the only reason she was there was because they wanted someone to be sad over Superman's death. You could tell neither Batman nor WW gave much of a crap when Superman died.

Weren't they all back at Gotham because they needed to get the spear? I thought they were in the general vicinity of each other.

Meh whatever. Maybe she saw the eye beams, maybe a deleted scene. Not making excuses just hypotheticals, it was a pretty dumb movie..

 

[Dahbomb]

Weren't they all back at Gotham because they needed to get the spear? I thought they were in the general vicinity of each other.

The time when Batman mentioned he needs to go get that spear he was in a plane on his way back to Gotham. And the fight was still taking place a good distance away to the point where normal humans can't hear anything but Superman could because he had super hearing.

Only way you can explain it is if you think Lois Lane is way too smart and somehow made the connection that Doomsday was of Kryptonian descent. She could've seen the laser beams and made the assumption but this is all very giant leaps of logic.