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[Prototype]

Random portal appears and says stuff to batman in the middle of the movie. So jarring. Or going through and introducing a bunch other heroes... All of it felt really out of place, and extremely forced.

That's why you do the solo films first, then a team up film after. DC doesn't know what their doing.

 

[Sephzilla]

The most jarring part of that nightmare scene was Bruce having visions of Darkseid related things, stuff he in no way could know about

 

[Dahbomb]

If this movie was godlike then people would've been super hyped for Justice League and WB/DC would've been in an excellent position to start raking in the profits.

Instead they took one step forward and two steps backwards.

The most jarring part of that nightmare scene was Bruce having visions of Darkseid related things, stuff he in no way could know about

People were saying that the Knightmare scene is not actually a dream but rather a vision of the future. Flash time traveling affected Bruce to have that vision due to being in the vicinity as Bruce.

Yeah it's all non sense essentially. As of now, Snyder basically gave Batman the super power of clairvoyance which is a bigger dump on the character of Batman than him using guns or killing people.

 

[Sephzilla]

I think it was more they simply took 2 steps backward. I didn't see much in the way of stepping forward in this.

 

[Prototype]

Also, lol @ supermans suit being impervious to a
Nuclear explosion. What material is that made out of again? Not a fucking scratch on it. O_0
Just so many flat out dumb things in this movie.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Only way you can explain it is if you think Lois Lane is way too smart and somehow made the connection that Doomsday was of Kryptonian descent. She could've seen the laser beams and made the assumption but this is all very giant leaps of logic.

That was my next guess and whatever I'm ok with going with that, again because it's a dumb movie.

 

[The Silver]

Also, lol @ supermans suit being impervious to a
Nuclear explosion. What material is that made out of again? Not a fucking scratch on it. O_0
Just so many flat out dumb things in this movie.

super force field that extends a few inches from his skin friend.


im serious that really was an explanation as to why his clothes don't get damaged

 

[Dahbomb]

Also, lol @ supermans suit being impervious to a
Nuclear explosion. What material is that made out of again? Not a fucking scratch on it. O_0
Just so many flat out dumb things in this movie.

That's just standard comic book logic. His power extends a few inches beyond his skin to protect his cloths, just like other super heroes. No one raises up that point because that's how it happens in the comic books. Like how Dante in DMC doesn't have his clothes ripped up from taking all those stab wounds.

I think it was more they simply took 2 steps backward. I didn't see much in the way of stepping forward in this.

One step forward in that they have established a universe and have a lot of moving parts to the whole thing along with having an ensemble movie to start off with. They did a good job of incorporating Batman into MoS (the intro to the movie essentially) but everything after that fell apart once they started with the Justice League tie ins, WW and the needless subplots.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Heh just watched the Lois realizes scene and yeah there's nothing there, I thought she had over heard Batman say to Wonder Woman that there was a weapon but:

A) They're not at that spot at the time
B) It comes after she makes a run for the weapon.

So the only thing is either she saw the eye beams when Doomsday tries to kill Batman and puts two and two together.

I mean I believe she knew the energy depletion was coming from the crash site/space ship, so putting two and two together isn't that huge a leap. Meh *shrugs* whatever. The dumber part was her throwing down there in the first place.

 

[Sephzilla]

The Lois/spear shit was dumb on multiple levels

1 - Why does she even take it in the first place? She doesn't know what Kryptonite is and she doesn't know it hurts Superman. All she sees is that Batman points it at him.
2 - Why does she throw it into that random pool of water?
3 - Why does she just instinctively know that the good guys need it to beat Doomsday?

One step forward in that they have established a universe and have a lot of moving parts to the whole thing along with having an ensemble movie to start off with. They did a good job of incorporating Batman into MoS (the intro to the movie essentially) but everything after that fell apart once they started with the Justice League tie ins, WW and the needless subplots.

Agreed on the first part - how they integrated Batman into Man of Steel was A+

 

[StopMakingSense]

The most jarring part of that nightmare scene was Bruce having visions of Darkseid related things, stuff he in no way could know about

Snyder is so inconsistent about the visions in these films. In MoS Kal is dying due to being reintroduced to Kryptonian atmosphere, which of course leads to a several minute dream sequence with Zod telepathically explaining his plans to Kal. Jor-El happens to have a super convenient sentient AI hologram that can project itself into any Kryptonian ship as will and even have command functions, all the while doling out handy exposition.

Batman has his sleeping visions, nested within one another. Superman has a waking vision of his father.

I'm missing stuff I am sure but it's all over the place.

 

[Dahbomb]

The Lois/spear shit was dumb on multiple levels

1 - Why does she even take it in the first place? She doesn't know what Kryptonite is and she doesn't know it hurts Superman. All she sees is that Batman points it at him.
2 - Why does she throw it into that random pool of water?
3 - Why does she just instinctively know that the good guys need it to beat Doomsday?

1) It's pretty obvious that the Kryptonite spear is dangerous to Superman. She doesn't need to know what it is to realize it's dangerous for Superman.

2) She throws it in the pool because that's the first thing she sees while looking around to dispose of it. She could've hit it under a rock but she probably wanted it more out of the way so it doesn't get used against Superman in the near future. The bigger issue was why didn't Batman himself secure the weapon.

3) Already discussed here.

 

[DeathyBoy]

The Lois/spear shit was dumb on multiple levels

1 - Why does she even take it in the first place? She doesn't know what Kryptonite is and she doesn't know it hurts Superman. All she sees is that Batman points it at him.
2 - Why does she throw it into that random pool of water?
3 - Why does she just instinctively know that the good guys need it to beat Doomsday?+

1) If your boyfriend is an alien who shrugs off most pain, and he's unconscious at the hands of a guy holding a glowing spear, it doesn't take a reporter to connect the dots. And since Lois is a reporter.
2) To stop it hurting Clark.
3) Doomsday comes out from the Kryptonian ship. Lois has been in that ship.

 

[Dahbomb]

Everything regarding Lois Lane should be shrugged off as "she's a Pulitzer winning reporter".

Just like anytime Batman makes a giant leap of logic.. people say "welp... world's greatest detective".

 

[Sephzilla]

1) If your boyfriend is an alien who shrugs off most pain, and he's unconscious at the hands of a guy holding a glowing spear, it doesn't take a reporter to connect the dots. And since Lois is a reporter.
2) To stop it hurting Clark.
3) Doomsday comes out from the Kryptonian ship. Lois has been in that ship.

Lois technically doesn't know Doomsday came out of that ship. I don't think Lois even sees Doomsday at all in the movie. Lois's massive stretches in logic are quite amazing

 

[DeathyBoy]

Everything regarding Lois Lane should be shrugged off as "she's a Pulitzer winning reporter".

Just like anytime Batman makes a giant leap of logic.. people say "welp... world's greatest detective".

Well, Batman is to deduction...

Lois technically doesn't know Doomsday came out of that ship. I don't think Lois even sees Doomsday at all in the movie. Lois's massive stretches in logic are quite amazing

And this is different from other comic book films...

 

[StopMakingSense]

Man how much different would this movie had been if Perry didn't give Lois the helicopter.

 

[Dahbomb]

Lois technically doesn't know Doomsday came out of that ship. I don't think Lois even sees Doomsday at all in the movie. Lois's massive stretches in logic are quite amazing

From where Batman is and from where Lex's place is... you can see the Batman spotlight. If Lois was looking hard enough she could've seen Doomsday pop out of the building. Those two places were right across the bay from each other.

Again a giant leap in movie logic no matter how you dice it.

And this is different from other comic book films...

Other comic book films aren't trying to be as serious or gritty as this.

People backlashed so hard on TDKR because the movie failed to explain how Batman got from the pit back to Gotham. And you could've easily explained that away by saying that he has resources all over and it probably wouldn't have been that hard to make travel arrangements for him. That's because the expectation was made that stuff would follow more logically than a standard comic book movie.

 

[Sephzilla]

To say one positive about the movie, I actually liked that Gotham and Metropolis were basically one giant city. Metropolis was Manhattan and Gotham was Queens/Brooklyn. It makes sense since both cities are basically based on New York

 

[excelsiorlef]

Everything regarding Lois Lane should be shrugged off as "she's a Pulitzer winning reporter".

Just like anytime Batman makes a giant leap of logic.. people say "welp... world's greatest detective".

Works for me.

 

[DeathyBoy]

People backlashed so hard on TDKR because the movie failed to explain how Batman got from the pit back to Gotham. And you could've easily explained that away by saying that he has resources all over and it probably wouldn't have been that hard to make travel arrangements for him. That's because the expectation was made that stuff would follow more logically than a standard comic book movie.

I wouldn't really compare those.

The Lois one does take a second to think about it, same as the Flash sequence. That sequence from TDKR... I really can't see any exposition/scenes/explanation that wouldn't drag the film to an absolute halt.

 

[The Silver]

It's pretty obvious for any non brain dead person to assume that the weird glowing green spear is likely part of the reason that godly Superman is on the ground helpless against some dude in a metal suit. Of course Lois would throw thing away since it could be used against Supes.

How she knew to get it back when Dooms showed up? Fuck if I know, I can bullshit and say that she assumed that a weapon that could presumably kill Superman would probably also work on Doomsday, though I think she would've waited a bit to see if that was necessary before risking her life. Then again she seems to have a fetish for nearly being killed so Superman can save her.



The problem here is the events happen so close together that she looks silly throwing it away only to immediately dive in and almost kill herself trying to get it back.

 

[Sephzilla]

Was I the only one who thought it was weird that the Superman/Doomsday fight is going on for like 10 minutes in movie time and the government had a nuke all ready to fire the instant they saw Supes taking Doomsday to space?

The pacing of this movie is so bad

 

[excelsiorlef]

The problem here is the events happen so close together that she looks silly throwing it away only to immediately dive in and almost kill herself trying to get it back.

Yup. The thing is it'd have been not that annoying of she had successfully retrieved it instead of Superman needing to save her.

 

[StopMakingSense]

People backlashed so hard on TDKR because the movie failed to explain how Batman got from the pit back to Gotham.

People don't understand that the pit is just like a couple bus stops down the way from Gotham, much like Nanda Parbat and Star City in Arrow.

 

[Dahbomb]

Was I the only one who thought it was weird that the Superman/Doomsday fight is going on for like 10 minutes in movie time and the government had a nuke all ready to fire the instant they saw Supes taking Doomsday to space?

The pacing of this movie is so bad

Post Superman/Destruction of Metropolis contingency plan I guess.

I honestly don't have any idea as to how long it takes to arm and deploy a nuke after an order has been given in the modern day.

That's not the pacing though that's just plot contrivance.


Bad pacing is having nothing happening in the Act 2 and not much happening in the end of Act 1 then packing 3 big fight scenes all in the 3rd act at the end. Movie just plodded along for 2 hours and then packed everything at the end. Exact same issue that plagued Man of Steel. That's the main reason why this movie has little legs... the movie is just a drag to get through to get to the some what cool action parts. This is the type of issue that people should be talking more about... not whether how or why Lois Lane figured out the mechanics of a Kryptonite spear.

 

[DeathyBoy]

Was I the only one who thought it was weird that the Superman/Doomsday fight is going on for like 10 minutes in movie time and the government had a nuke all ready to fire the instant they saw Supes taking Doomsday to space?

The pacing of this movie is so bad

I didn't find it weird, because I can totally believe the US would bomb another country in seconds if they discovered a nuclear bomb was heading to America... so, by that logic, I can believe they have a nuke ready to bomb aliens fighting in space above Earth.

 

[BigJonsson]

No doubt the US can launch a nuke in mere minutes

 

[Sephzilla]

I have no idea how fast the US can actually shoot a nuke, but it just felt weird in the movie because it was just so out of nowhere and sudden.

It's still partially pacing, though. The pace of the entire third act is really wonky.

 

[StopMakingSense]

I have no idea how fast the US can actually shoot a nuke, but it just felt weird in the movie because it was just so out of nowhere.

Its more the launching at an non-predetermined object in space that's the issue.

 

[The Silver]

If aliens came and almost destroyed the planet I would assume every nuke capable nation in the world would implement an emergency immediate nuke response plan.


Currently in our real world high alert nukes can be launched within 15 minutes.

 

[BigDug13]

No doubt the US can launch a nuke in mere minutes

Can launch a nuke to a GPS spot that is input into the guidance system, but being able to nuke an individual lifeform in space?

But it's a movie about godly superheroes (and a regular dude superhero with nice toys) fighting it out with an alien so I can press the "I believe" button.

 

[Sephzilla]

Its more the launching at an non-predetermined object in space that's the issue.

Thank you, that's more what it was that seemed weird. I guess the government was lucky that Superman pushed Doomsday up into space at a consistent speed so that he would be easy to target.

 

[Dahbomb]

It's not even just bad pacing that plagues the movie... it's that any time the movie is showing a proper build up it cuts it at the knees by throwing in a weird dream sequence, JL tie in or a totally awkward/weird transition.

I am almost certain that after the Ultimate cut comes out that someone can cut the movie down and pace it well enough so that the movie is both coherent and has proper build ups. The script and characterization can't be helped but superior editing can make things a lot better for the movie.

 

[Brakke]

But why did they even launched the nuke at all? Why not just let Supes toss the dude out of orbit. Doomsday didn't have any kind of flight powers, he was moving around by jumping. Can't jump in the vacuum of space...

 

[StopMakingSense]

Thank you, that's more what it was that seemed weird. I guess the government was lucky that Superman pushed Doomsday up into space at a consistent speed so that he would be easy to target.

Like the setup for it really would be Superman would have talked to the guy from Blacklist and set up a plan that if another Kryptonian ever came by just throw up a nuke in the general vicinity in space and he'll do the rest.

In the film he does kinda push DD to the nuke at the end, but it was basically on target.

 

[BigJonsson]

If they can track an object on satellite they can guide a missile to it


Oh oh, are Gotham and Metropolis usually that close together? I had no idea they were a short ferry ride across a bay lol

 

[DeathyBoy]

But why did they even launched the nuke at all? Why not just let Supes toss the dude out of orbit. Doomsday didn't have any kind of flight powers, he was moving around by jumping. Can't jump in the vacuum of space...

Neither Superman nor the government knows he can't fly. And anyway, since Doomsday adapts to shit who says he wouldn't just learn to fly?

 

[BigJonsson]

They assumed it was another Kryptonian and could probably fly like Supes and Zod's crew

 

[Sephzilla]

Superman knew Doomsday was made from Kryptonian stuff, so one logical assumption that makes sense is Superman just figuring Doomsday would eventually learn to fly

 

[Kin5290]

Its more the launching at an non-predetermined object in space that's the issue.

And also the "how do you keep the other nuclear powers from not panicking and kickstarting the apocalypse" issue.

 

[BigDug13]

The film is such a mess. I was talking to my roommate about it and I asked him if he thought it was weird that Bruce basically gets lifted out of the cave by flying bats. He says "that was a dream". Somehow I thought it was a dream about something that actually happened in the past and not a completely made up dream in Bruce's head. Which is it?

Then I mention how it was weird that what seemed like a dream sequence with the Flash ends up with Batman waking up to papers flying around in real life. Then my roommate says "when was the Flash in the movie?" He thought the dude coming through from the future in the dream was Robin or some shit.

This movie does a poor job at being coherent.

 

[StopMakingSense]

And also the "how do you keep the other nuclear powers from not panicking and kickstarting the apocalypse" issue.

lol yeah, i was thinking that too when I watch as well.

 

[BigJonsson]

And also the "how do you keep the other nuclear powers from not panicking and kickstarting the apocalypse" issue.

You get them on the hotline and let them know what is up

 

[Dahbomb]

The film is such a mess. I was talking to my roommate about it and I asked him if he thought it was weird that Bruce basically gets lifted out of the cave by flying bats. He says "that was a dream". Somehow I thought it was a dream about something that actually happened in the past and not a completely made up dream in Bruce's head. Which is it?

Definitely a dream, Bruce even mentions that in his voice over right after that scene happened.

 

[Sephzilla]

Speaking of that Bruce/Bats dream sequence. Did anyone else feel like the sequence of child Bruce falling down the hole, landing in the cave, and then being surrounded by bats feel almost shot-for-shot stolen from Batman Begins?

 

[Narag]

Speaking of that Bruce/Bats dream sequence. Did anyone else feel like the sequence of child Bruce falling down the hole, landing in the cave, and then being surrounded by bats feel almost shot-for-shot stolen from Batman Begins?

That's from The Dark Knight Returns too.

 

[Sephzilla]

That's from The Dark Knight Returns too.

Ah okay, I stand corrected. It's been a long ass time since I've read TDKR

 

[The Silver]

I still don't know how people didn't get that Bruce being lifted by bats was a metaphorical dream thing, you're seeing a kid levitating in a swarm of bats, now im sure bats can't do that and Bruce can't fly, of course its a dream! what else would it be.

 

[kurahador]

I still don't know how people didn't get that Bruce being lifted by bats was a metaphorical dream thing, you're seeing a kid levitating in a swarm of bats, now im sure bats can't do that and Bruce can't fly, of course its a dream! what else would it be.

I mean...Bruce even said it's a dream afterwards. It's hard to miss.