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[TheLegendOfMart]

I understand plenty, I wanted you to respond. I wanted you to type out more assumptions so you can read it to yourself.

Thats the only thing I can do is make assumptions because there are no real figures to go off. Getting real tired of people being condescending idiots who think their opinion is more valid. This is a discussion forum it would be boring if everyone had the same circle jerk viewpoint.

It's not hard to extrapolate though.

PS4 has a 1080p30fps baseline that, for the most part, is hit.
Xbox One has 40% less power on paper and despite the very similar APU setup it gets the inferior looking and running games.

Looking at PC graphics cards, of which is contained in the console APU, if you look at something like the 960 vs 980 which is the same architecture albeit with different amounts of VRAM, assuming you don't hit the VRAM ceiling, the difference in power is around two times and frame rates at the same resolution and graphics settings are suitably two times in difference.

Taking all that into account if PS4K with two times the power becomes the new baseline at 1080p30~60fps upscaled to 4K, if the rumours are to be believed, means that the PS4 version is going to be significantly inferior.

THAT is why I'm bothered. I don't care that there is a faster console that people who want it will get prettier looking games. I am bothered it is going to negatively affect the games that I want to play.

But that's not the case, if you really want that go PC. PS4 and Xbox versions of games are version on which developers try to get "optimised game running semi decently". So yeah PS4K will neable to run higher fidelity games regarding what developers intended. Is it a big deal ?

Please Sony, give us that new version. I want premium VR experience on console without waiting 2019

I've got a PC, thats why I got a PS4, I didn't want to have to deal with upgrading every couple of years.....

 

[perineumlick]

What if Sony feels they have to make this move to counter their opposition? They can sit on their laurels, and run the risk of the competition releasing more powerful hardware, or they can head it off at the pass and try to maintain their status of having the most powerful console. I seriously doubt it's as simple as Sony wanting to squeeze us for more money. If anything I kinda blame Microsoft for cheaping out on hardware to push their TV agenda. I'm sure they feel more pressure to release more powerful hardware than Sony right now in this current climate, and with the NX in the wings who knows how the landscape will look going forward.

 

[gus-gus]

The problem is: we are living in this scenario now? No. When it will happens, it will be legitimate. For now sony can live with a normal ps4.

Business is business, you don't wait for issues to arrive later down the line. Building a product and launching aren't done over night. It's a business decision, I'm sure they have done their research as to why they need to heavily consider this. This isn't about getting people upset. I think to many are taking this to personal.

 

[Omnistalgic]

Who knows... Maybe this is what extends PS4's life to 2021 or so.

It's not like publishers can afford another increase in development costs that something like native 4K (PS5) would result in over the next 3 years.

And with so many countries with developing economies like Brazil, Eastern Europe, Canada, with large markets trailing in both PS4 and 4K adoption, there is no rush to PS5. And it helps Sony make good on the 10 year cycle comments. These markets also make PS4K exclusives highly unlikely. No one is going to limit their market like that.

OG PS4 will still sell amazingly around the world, new box allows them to hit the price insensitive 4K early adopters, everyone's happy.

Except GAF.

This is my prediction.

I find it hilarious that comments like "arrogant Sony is back” and “screwing early adopters” seem to be based on what year this thing launches. So year 4 instead of year 5 means, "Sony screwed you over" because you weren’t informed of a jump based on past precedent. But if they release in year 5 its “ok” because that’s basically a PS5.

Man, are some of us entitled. Don’t buy the thing if you don’t want to, even I can understand those maths.

 

[Sanctuary]

If the PS4K takes off like PS4 did it will become the new baseline, games will be optimised for 1080p30~60 and upscaled to 4K. What happens to PS4 games?

The resolution starts to drop, framerates will be 30 instead of 60 for 60fps games, and sub 30 for 30fps games and image quality will ultimately suffer.

You're dreaming if you honestly believe that they are going to work towards 1080p/60. Developers don't care about higher than a stable 30fps on consoles on anything other than fighting games and a select few action games, because graphics > everything else to catch the public eye.

This is my prediction.

I find it hilarious that comments like "arrogant Sony is back” and “screwing early adopters” seem to be based on what year this thing launches. So year 4 instead of year 5 means, "Sony screwed you over" because you weren’t informed of a jump based on past precedent. But if they release in year 5 its “ok” because that’s basically a PS5.

Man, are some of us entitled. Don’t buy the thing if you don’t want to, even I can understand those maths.

The main issue is that there hasn't even been enough titles released for the current gen yet to not only warrant the purchase cost of the system, there's absolutely no reason to release a new system yet. This is basically Wii U 2.0. I own both a Wii U and PS4 and only own one game (only one turned out to be an exclusive too) for each so far. Entitled? Most people don't buy a new console with the expectation that a new one will be released before there's even a handful of games with the current.

If you look at say First light, it ran at 45 FPS at 1080 and looked beautiful, you could run it as it was or cap it at 30 FPS in the menu.

Now a Ps4K would run that game at 60 FPS. Is that a bad thing ? And you cant say Ps4 got a down port as Sucker punch did a damn fine job on that game, it still looks unbelievable today.

It's specifically stated in the OP that current titles are not going to somehow be improved playing on the new system unless the developer specifically makes a patch for it. This isn't some simple "buy a new system and all your old games will run better!". It is however a case of, "If you don't buy the new system, all of the new games created for it will run like shit on your old one!".

 

[omonimo]

Business is business, you don't wait for issues to arrive later down the line. Building a product and launching aren't done over night. It's a business decision, I'm sure they have done their research as to why they need to heavily consider this. This isn't about getting people upset. I think to many are taking this to personal.

I have to remind to you they yet tried to introduce the console business at highet price level like per like the smartphone. We all know how is ended.

 

[jimbobsmells]

Who knows... Maybe this is what extends PS4's life to 2021 or so.

It's not like publishers can afford another increase in development costs that something like native 4K (PS5) would result in over the next 3 years.

And with so many countries with developing economies like Brazil, Eastern Europe, Canada, with large markets trailing in both PS4 and 4K adoption, there is no rush to PS5. And it helps Sony make good on the 10 year cycle comments. These markets also make PS4K exclusives highly unlikely. No one is going to limit their market like that.

OG PS4 will still sell amazingly around the world, new box allows them to hit the price insensitive 4K early adopters, everyone's happy.

Except GAF.

I like this post.

 

[spatenfloot]

Anyone who didn't realize that this was the plan all along is just willfully ignorant. It seemed pretty obvious to me when both companies announced they were moving to more PC like architecture and making comments about shorter generations that things would not be like they were in the past.

 

[Equanimity]

I don't care that there is a faster console that people who want it will get prettier looking games. I am bothered it is going to negatively affect the games that I want to play.

If it hasn't happened with all the PC configurations alongisde current-gen consoles, what makes you think it will happen now?

Don't disregard the possible 55-60 million lead by the time a PS4K is released.

 

[geordiemp]

The problem is: we are living in this scenario now? No. When it will happens, it will be legitimate. For now sony can live with a normal ps4. Start to push their userbase for the attractive of the smarthphone business model in the console market, it's scaring from the customers perspective.

Yes, by E3 in June all will become clear from MS and Nintendo is my guess. You can bet comfortably that they will take advantage of 14 nm, double power possible, half heat opportunity. (who knows though ?)

We are 1-2 months away...that to me means now. If Sony wait until 2017 Q1, and others are doing 14 nm, So sony is just a me too....will that then be OK by you ?

If this leak had been contained, and IF everybody else is going 14 nm at E3, then this thread would read very differently = come on Sony, Catch up !

I believe Gen 8 the 14 nm gen is starting in 2017 anyway, with or without Sony.

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

If it hasn't happened with all the PC configurations alongisde current-gen consoles, what makes you think it will happen now?

Don't disregard the possible 55-60 million lead by the time a PS4K is released.

Getting bored of typing the same shit out over and over again that people aren't comprehending.

PS4K will have 1080p30 baseline, PCs have uncapped frame rates. A game that runs at 60fps+ on 980 runs at 30fps on 960.

A game that runs at 1080p30 on PS4K will run how on PS4?

 

[omonimo]

I have nothing against a more powerful ps4. But I'd like more if this platform output ps4 game with better res and fps and ps4 continue to be the lead platform without update the SDK for the ps4k. I don't like the idea to push me to buy another hardware just to have some extra stuff at the same 1080p 30 fps. What scared me, it's that Sony will end to do something like this. I hope to be wrong.

 

[biglittleps]

Looks like many are thinking that Sony will try to push PS4k and abandon regular PS4 which is completely not true, because PS4k price will be $399-$499 so it won't sell like OG PS4 and Sony earns big profit from selling games to the large audience who already purchased OG PS4, but not to the very small hardcore audience who will buy their premium PS4k.

Sony is using PS4k just to satisfy the hardcore gamers who are moving to PC for higher resolutions/fps and to provide better/similar experience in their PS VR in comparison to PC. PS4k is not a product targeted for mass adoption and its a niche product for hardcore gamers as an option along with regular PS4. They will push regular PS4 only which is the only thing can give them good software sales due to its established install base and cheaper price but not PS4k.

 

[Equanimity]

Getting bored of typing the same shit out over and over again that people aren't comprehending.

PS4K will have 1080p30 baseline, PCs have uncapped frame rates. A game that runs at 60fps+ on 980 runs at 30fps on 960.

A game that runs at 1080p30 on PS4K will run how on PS4?

How did you make the jump to PS4K having a baseline of 1080p/30fps or it being the lead developing platform?

 

[spatenfloot]

Getting bored of typing the same shit out over and over again that people aren't comprehending.

PS4K will have 1080p30 baseline, PCs have uncapped frame rates. A game that runs at 60fps+ on 980 runs at 30fps on 960.

A game that runs at 1080p30 on PS4K will run how on PS4?

Why don't you wait until a developer makes a game before complaining about how shitty it will be?

 

[DavidDesu]

Getting bored of typing the same shit out over and over again that people aren't comprehending.

PS4K will have 1080p30 baseline, PCs have uncapped frame rates. A game that runs at 60fps+ on 980 runs at 30fps on 960.

A game that runs at 1080p30 on PS4K will run how on PS4?

With adjusted graphical settings just like PC games....

You're implying that all games run at the exact same graphical settings and the power of your console/GPU determines the framerate and that's it. It does not work like that.

 

[gus-gus]

Thats the only thing I can do is make assumptions because there are no real figures to go off. Getting real tired of people being condescending idiots who think their opinion is more valid. This is a discussion forum it would be boring if everyone had the same circle jerk viewpoint.

It's not hard to extrapolate though.

PS4 has a 1080p30fps baseline that, for the most part, is hit.
Xbox One has 40% less power on paper and despite the very similar APU setup it gets the inferior looking and running games.

Looking at PC graphics cards, of which is contained in the console APU, if you look at something like the 960 vs 980 which is the same architecture albeit with different amounts of VRAM, assuming you don't hit the VRAM ceiling, the difference in power is around two times and frame rates at the same resolution and graphics settings are suitably two times in difference.

Taking all that into account if PS4K with two times the power becomes the new baseline at 1080p30~60fps upscaled to 4K, if the rumours are to be believed, means that the PS4 version is going to be significantly inferior.

THAT is why I'm bothered. I don't care that there is a faster console that people who want it will get prettier looking games. I am bothered it is going to negatively affect the games that I want to play.



I've got a PC, thats why I got a PS4, I didn't want to have to deal with upgrading every couple of years.....

Ok, I've got no problem with that. I'm not from that school of assuming things. In the industry I work in we go off of what we actually know, trends and stats. We don't assume something will happen when we dont have all the information presented to us.

 

[jeff_rigby]

One of the arguments used to support the PS4.5 rumor just died: "There'll be no Xbox One.5 from us,' says Phil Spencer."

Microsoft's XB1 can not use GDDR5 because it would not allow legal Standby power modes. The design also can't use GDDR5X while the PS4 can.

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

Why don't you wait until a developer makes a game before complaining about how shitty it will be?

This is a discussion forum, I enjoy discussing things that I enjoy.

 

[geordiemp]

Getting bored of typing the same shit out over and over again that people aren't comprehending.

PS4K will have 1080p30 baseline, PCs have uncapped frame rates. A game that runs at 60fps+ on 980 runs at 30fps on 960.

A game that runs at 1080p30 on PS4K will run how on PS4?

I dont get your baseline, the baseline now is 1080p30 on ps4 for most games with 60 FPs and less effects in PVP. Most PC games allow 60 FPS anyway.

Ps4 will stay the same. No changes.

Ps4K will get some of the nicer PC settings.

 

[Omnistalgic]

You're dreaming if you honestly believe that they are going to work towards 1080p/60. Developers don't care about higher than a stable 30fps on consoles on anything other than fighting games and a select few action games, because graphics > everything else to catch the public eye.



The main issue is that there hasn't even been enough titles released for the current gen yet to not only warrant the purchase cost of the system, there's absolutely no reason to release a new system yet. This is basically Wii U 2.0. I own both a Wii U and PS4 and only own one game (only one turned out to be an exclusive too) for each so far. Entitled? Most people don't buy a new console with the expectation that a new one will be released before there's even a handful of games with the current.

There’s like over 500 games for PS4? Some of it’s biggest releases are this year (UC4, Ratchet, Horizon, TLG) and 2016 looks like a strong first party output as well as third. You don’t happen to like the current exclusives or game lineup and it means PS4 doesn’t have a ton of games? This thing is pegged for 2017 after all these great releases on PS4. When it does release we don’t know what “significant sacrifices” even implies and if it will be just a handful of the most expensive games of the industry, we’re just speculating worse case scenario.

Yeah, that’s an entitled stance in my book.

And can we stop speaking for “Most People” we don’t know what most people will do or react to. Some anecdotal have been very much along the lines of “I don’t care”.

 

[Muzicfreq]

Why don't you wait until a developer makes a game before complaining about how shitty it will be?

why should we have to?

 

[spatenfloot]

This is a discussion forum, I enjoy discussing things that I enjoy.

It doesn't sound like you are enjoying it from your posts.

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

I dont get your baseline, the baseline now is 1080p30 on ps4 for most games with 60 FPs and less effects in PVP. Most PC games allow 60 FPS anyway.

Ps4 will stay the same. No changes.

Ps4K will get some of the nicer PC settings.

If they bring out a newer console with twice the power do you really think developers won't target PS4K and downgrade?

Do you really think Sony will allow developers to just upgrade PS4 games to their new console that they are trying to sell people?

It doesn't sound like you are enjoying it from your posts.

Just because I am passionate doesn't mean I'm not enjoying discussing things with people.

What I don't like is people being condescending just because I'm not joining in on the circle jerk.

 

[vpance]

No, I can't see this happening. While I never asked about a slim of og ps4, I'm sure it's coming since the other sku will be a slim.

So double slim release within a year. Craziness.

$299 OG bundle with game / $499 PS4K is my guess. I imagine they'd want OG slim out in time for PS VR too.

 

[gus-gus]

I have to remind to you they yet tried to introduce the console business at highet price level like per like the smartphone. We all know how is ended.

What's the price on this system?

 

[geordiemp]

One of the arguments used to support the PS4.5 rumor just died: "There'll be no Xbox One.5 from us,' says Phil Spencer."

Microsoft's XB1 can not use GDDR5 because it would not allow legal Standby power modes. The design also can't use GDDR5X while the PS4 can.

But the xbox virtual OS means that the Xb1 is running windows 10 effectively in a closed box is it not ?

Surely MS can just release an XB2 that uses Gddr5x and it will be backwards compatible due to the way XB1 uses the virtual OS ?

I always thought the Xb1 with its layers of OS was not coded to the metal anyway and is a custom DX12 box.

Remember Phil did not say no new hardware, he just did not like the 1.5 model (means he COULD be thinking 2 x or more)

Or if your right, MS will just move all their games to their PC store....Xb2 is just a PC.could be what they are planning...who knows ?

 

[omonimo]

I dont get your baseline, the baseline now is 1080p30 on ps4 for most games with 60 FPs and less effects in PVP. Most PC games allow 60 FPS anyway.

Ps4 will stay the same. No changes.

Ps4K will get some of the nicer PC settings.

With a new model which can be push better graphic with less optmisation? Good luck with that.

 

[mejin]

This is my prediction.

I find it hilarious that comments like "arrogant Sony is back” and “screwing early adopters” seem to be based on what year this thing launches. So year 4 instead of year 5 means, "Sony screwed you over" because you weren’t informed of a jump based on past precedent. But if they release in year 5 its “ok” because that’s basically a PS5.

Man, are some of us entitled. Don’t buy the thing if you don’t want to, even I can understand those maths.

Like Cosmic I do believe this is a chance to get amazing support to the platform PS4 till the end of this decade.

I feel Microsoft and Nintendo want a restart, but Sony longs for a continuation of what they began in 2013. If they don't screw up with BC so people feel safe about their purchases of softwares even with future jumps (PS5) I really don't think this is bad for gamers.

 

[Sanctuary]

There’s like over 500 games for PS4? Some of it’s biggest releases are this year (UC4, Ratchet, Horizon, TLG) and 2016 looks like a strong first party output as well as third. You don’t happen to like the current exclusives or game lineup and it means PS4 doesn’t have a ton of games? This thing is pegged for 2017 after all these great releases on PS4. When it does release we don’t know what “significant sacrifices” even implies and if it will be just a handful of the most expensive games of the industry, we’re just speculating worse case scenario.

Yeah, that’s an entitled stance in my book.

And can we stop speaking for “Most People” we don’t know what most people will do or react to. Some anecdotal have been very much along the lines of “I don’t care”.

There aren't over 500 exclusives. So far, there has been exactly one exclusive that I cared about at all for the system, mostly due to all of the delays. Even TLG and Horizon don't warrant the cost of the system by themselves; but other than those two games and potentially FFXV, there isn't anything else on my radar yet.

If Sony decides to shift the focus towards the PS4.5 titles, similarly with how Nintendo handled the Wii U, I'll just wait an additional five years before purchasing the system. Maybe by then there will be more than four games I want to play.

 

[omonimo]

What's the price on this system?

Just it depends to the specs.499 it's discussed reading the op but I think 499 bucks could be a big risk. Gamers seems totally unappealing to the console priced above 399 bucks from the last 15 years.

 

[jimbobsmells]

One of the arguments used to support the PS4.5 rumor just died: "There'll be no Xbox One.5 from us,' says Phil Spencer."

I don't see that anything has died. This is just game theory in action. Why market your 'losing' product as an extension when you can effectively reset the brand as a step above that?

 

[omonimo]

One of the arguments used to support the PS4.5 rumor just died: "There'll be no Xbox One.5 from us,' says Phil Spencer."

Microsoft's XB1 can not use GDDR5 because it would not allow legal Standby power modes. The design also can't use GDDR5X while the PS4 can.

Well it doesn't exclude that they don't start to think to an Xbox 2 yet. Sales aren't exactly stellar to guarantee a long support from MS.

 

[yurinka]

Bloodborne, Until Dawn, Guilty Gear Xrd, Rezogun, Driveclub, Street Fighter V, The Witness, Firewatch, Destiny, The Division, Fallout 4, The Witcher III and very soon Dark Souls 3, Alienation, Uncharted 4, Horizon, The Last Guardian, Gran Turismo Sport, No Man's Sky, Gravity Rush 2, Ratchet, Dreams, Deus EX, Detroit, Persona, Yakuza, Mirror's Edge, FFXV... considering the existing and upcoming games for the next half a year I find laughable to complain about PS4 games. And this without considering VR, that is going to be supported by Gran Turismo, Tekken, Star Wars Battlefront, Ace Combat, Dead or Alive, Final Fantasy, Rez, etc.

Specially when all their 1st and 2nd party teams are working at full steam in PS4 (only Bend's project and GoW4 remain to be announced), and there are 3rd party deals like SFV exclusivity on consoles, FFVII Remake and Shenmue 3 being very timed console exclusives or the timed exclusive DLC deals with Destiny or CoD and other games from big companies like EA or Ubi.

What do you want, 12 AAA GOTYs per month?

 

[Corto]

Xbox Two then.

 

[jeff_rigby]

But the xbox virtual OS means that the Xb1 is running windows 10 effectively in a closed box is it not ?

Surely MS can just release an XB2 that uses Gddr5x and it will be backwards compatible due to the way XB1 uses the virtual OS ?

I always thought the Xb1 with its layers of OS was not coded to the metal anyway and is a custom DX12 box.

Remember Phil did not say no new hardware, he just did not like the 1.5 model (means he COULD be thinking 2 x or more)

Or if your right, MS will just move all their games to their PC store....Xb2 is just a PC.could be what they are planning...who knows ?

You are correct, harder not impossible. The point I think I fail to make is that with HBM everything changes and a hard iteration might not be worth the cost if HBM and a XB2 is two years away.

Besides that we know the XB1 will be supporting UHD Blu-ray and ATSC 3 as well as UHD Digital bridge and Vidipath. Recently they announced anyone can develop apps for the XB1 FREE. So the XB1 is TV and APP heaven.

 

[rambis]

This just never happens with consoles, though. We only found out about the 8GB RAM in PS4 at the announcement 9 months before launch, price at E3 and pre-orders from July I think.

Yet with this it might not be announced until the end of the year and launched possibly as late as next March? If Sony are just unsure on timing of release then it would imply everything is in place and the thing started being made already. It takes months to ramp production up to a million units a month.

The fact that there has been absolutely no update on the original story from Kotaku tells me this is in the early phases and very few people outside first party know anything.

Even if the high up execs at game retailers are informed this early, with all due respect to the OP, would it really include detailed SKU and price information this far out?

Genuine question. GAF has made me a dirty skeptic

Im not sure what you think this means. People drop these leaks at their own risk, just because someone chooses not to doesn't mean they don't know anything. OP for instance has more info to share but after talking with another insider decided not to.

Also we don't know how long Sony has had this in the works. The fact that there are already prototypes says alot of the specs are near final. I'm fairly certain that Sony having already produced similar hardware know how much this thing should cost.

 

[travisbickle]

Like Cosmic I do believe this is a chance to get amazing support to the platform PS4 till the end of this decade.

I feel Microsoft and Nintendo want a restart, but Sony longs for a continuation of what they began in 2013. If they don't screw up with BC so people feel safe about their purchases of softwares even with future jumps (PS5) I really don't think this is bad for gamers.

Yeah. Sony are looking at forwards compatibility and sharing all titles between PS4/PS4K. This could possibly lead to PS5 titles being cross-platform back to PS4 (with sacrifices), but at the least it means games you buy now will be playable on PS5. Such irony that people are claiming they'll jump to MS and Ninty when they both look like they may axe their current consoles for a fresh start, probably changing architecture that will kill BC.

 

[gus-gus]

Just it depends to the specs.499 it's discussed reading the op but I think 499 bucks could be a big risk. Gamers seems totally unappealing to the console priced above 399 bucks from the last 15 years.

That didn't work before because it was the only price entry into that system/ecosystem. This is different, there are cheaper options available. I know it's somewhat risky, but the console space hasn't really grown much. They have to take some risk or you'll countinue to see devs disappear.

 

[potatohead]

Like Cosmic I do believe this is a chance to get amazing support to the platform PS4 till the end of this decade.

I feel Microsoft and Nintendo want a restart, but Sony longs for a continuation of what they began in 2013. If they don't screw up with BC so people feel safe about their purchases of softwares even with future jumps (PS5) I really don't think this is bad for gamers.

If they can secure B/C for the next or next couple of generations I would be completely OK with these new design.

Yeah. Sony are looking at forwards compatibility and sharing all titles between PS4/PS4K. This could possibly lead to PS5 titles being cross-platform back to PS4 (with sacrifices), but at the least it means games you buy now will be playable on PS5. Such irony that people are claiming they'll jump to MS and Ninty when they both look like they may axe their current consoles for a fresh start, probably changing architecture that will kill BC.

I doubt they would go nearly that far, there's really no reason to do that.

 

[biglittleps]

With a new model which can be push better graphic with less optmisation? Good luck with that.

Its not a replacement model for regular PS4 and its just premium product which can run PS4 games at higher resolutions/fps but not the reverse. So far we have seen almost every 3rd party game used XB1 as lead/base to develop and pushed only resolution on PS4 (for the extra 30% power) compared to XB1 and rest look almost same. It will happen with PS4k also by taking PS4 as lead/base and adding higher resolution/fps on top and rest will look almost same.

Developers want to sell their game to large audience, so they wont make PS4 versions shit and only PS4k versions shine, because these days word of mouth killing game sales very much which developers dont want to happen due to PS4k install base will be very small for its price tag.

 

[cyberheater]

I can imagine future DF face-offs.

PS4K > PS4 > Xbox One

Arrrgggghhhhhh...

 

[PdotMichael]

Anyone care to explain the PS4k will hurt PS4 games logic? The system is still significant more powerful than the Xbox One.
So the only way the PS4 will suffer getting the short stick is if all the devs abodon the Xbox One and PS4 for the PS4K and PC base.

 

[potatohead]

There aren't over 500 exclusives. So far, there has been exactly one exclusive that I cared about at all for the system, mostly due to all of the delays. Even TLG and Horizon don't warrant the cost of the system by themselves; but other than those two games and potentially FFXV, there isn't anything else on my radar yet.

Good for you.

Why are you here again?

 

[8bitForLife]

I'm sure some people might complain but wouldn't it be cool if the Ps4k would be powerful enough to have backwards compatibility with ps3. I could play my ps4 games and back catalog without keeping a ps3 connected.

 

[vpance]

Anyone care to explain the PS4k will hurt PS4 games logic? The system is still significant more powerful than the Xbox One.
So the only way the PS4 will suffer getting the short stick is if all the devs abodon the Xbox One and PS4 for the PS4K and PC base.

Most games will scale reasonably, and probably not even utilize PS4K as much as they could. And yes it's because of that exisitng 60M+ user base.

But I've no doubt some games may look a bit shit on PS4, but mostly because they were going to anyways. Like Deep Down, for one.

 

[oldergamer]

One of the arguments used to support the PS4.5 rumor just died: "There'll be no Xbox One.5 from us,' says Phil Spencer."

Microsoft's XB1 can not use GDDR5 because it would not allow legal Standby power modes. The design also can't use GDDR5X while the PS4 can.

wouldn't need GDDR 5 if they switched to HBM, no?

 

[PdotMichael]

Most games will scale reasonably, and probably not even utilize PS4K as much as they could. And yes it's because of that exisitng 60M+ user base.

But I've no doubt some games may look a bit shit on PS4, but mostly because they were going to anyways. Like Deep Down, for one.

Even the shitty looking games would still run better on the PS4 than the Xbox One. At some point it's just concern trolling

 

[biglittleps]

Bloodborne, Until Dawn, Guilty Gear Xrd, Rezogun, Driveclub, Street Fighter V, The Witness, Firewatch, Destiny, The Division, Fallout 4, The Witcher III and very soon Dark Souls 3, Alienation, Uncharted 4, Horizon, The Last Guardian, Gran Turismo Sport, No Man's Sky, Gravity Rush 2, Ratchet, Dreams, Deus EX, Detroit, Persona, Yakuza, Mirror's Edge, FFXV... considering the existing and upcoming games for the next half a year I find laughable to complain about PS4 games.

Specially when all their 1st and 2nd party teams are working at full steam in PS4 (only Bend's project and GoW4 remain to be announced), and there are 3rd party deals like SFV exclusivity on consoles, FFVII Remake and Shenmue 3 being very timed console exclusives or the timed exclusive DLC deals with Destiny or CoD and other games from big companies like EA or Ubi.

What do you want, 12 AAA GOTYs per month?

PS4 exclusives list has diversity to cater everyone, so it depends on what kind of game they like to be interested. Many consider every 3rd party/console exclusive games are not real PS4 games and they only care about PS4 only exclusives to warrant their purchase, but the fact is majority of the gamers who bought PS4 are not meant just for exclusives so those who complain here for no PS4 games are minority who will have no impact on PS4 future. Its better to ignore those people and keep the discussion clean instead of turning to shit.

 

[jroc74]

I'm sure some people might complain but wouldn't it be cool if the Ps4k would be powerful enough to have backwards compatibility with ps3. I could play my ps4 games and back catalog without keeping a ps3 connected.

If that were to happen, I don't see why many would complain. That could be even more incentive to get one.