Support NeoGAF

[DeepEnigma]

Posted this in the wrong thread lol.

So, I had heard some rumblings about a new Playstation, but it was never clear whether it was just Sony doing R&D on a new Playstation, or an iterated PS4. I haven't been privy to any clear information on a new PS4, but judging that people in the retail sector are being briefed on it, I imagine its both real & coming relatively soon.

I was actually taken aback when MS had come out with their talk of having a new iterated Xbox, or multiple boxes called Xbox, about a month ago. We got into some heavy discussions on the development feasibility of what supporting that new console would mean in that thread. Everything I said there still rings true here in PS4's case. Looking back on it, I think GopherD's impression is correct, especially after what Phil Spencer said this last week. MS likely heard of Sony's plans,since word had been going around the industry in some form or another (i'd heard of it about late last year, although it wasn't clear if it was a new PS console, or an iterated PS4), and they likely are trying to get in front of it from a PR standpoint. I guess we'll find out this E3 one way or another.

Thanks for the info. It is definitely going to be insane this year.

 

[CosmicQueso]

Damn, Daniel!

 

[gundamkyoukai]

If you talk about higher res and high frame rate as software advancement then yes, console model is bad at that.
But I don't see those as software advancement. I talking about game build around 512MB RAM vs games build around 8GB.
Quick iteration hardware will slowdown software because game have to build with 8GB in mind going forward, this mean latest tech can't have more animation, or more dynamic AI, it will be same game, just high res texture, high frame rate, prettier shadow.
No gameplay related tech can be add to the newer machine.

3 years iteration only allow tech advance in a linear way. Faster CPU, faster or more ram, faster GPU, it's predictable a boring.

I am not talking about just res and frame rates.
For eg the CPU in these consoles are crap .
Which mean less frame rate , characters on screen with good AI , less physic for certain things etc etc .
The gpus can't do certain things already that would be great for eg lighting .
If Sony does this right they can drop the old model after 6 years so we will be up to date more.

 

[orochi91]

Damn, Daniel!

His...passion is overwhelming.

 

[GnawtyDog]

GTX 960 for $200? Where are you guys getting ripped off? Strongly recommend the build thread - some dedicated folks there always providing good quotes.

Jet.com

Gigabyte R9 380 4GB, $180 w/ free shipping, w/ 15% off coupon (15now).

https://jet.com/product/GIGABYTE-TECHNOLOGY-GV-R938G1-GAMING-4GD-Radeon-R9-380-4GB-OC-GDDR5/00217259951c44b6afcf9ba687fc6e91

EVGA GTX 960 4GB, $162 w/ free shipping, w/ 15% off coupon (15now)

https://jet.com/product/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-960-Graphic-Card-122-GHz-Core-128-GHz-Boost-Clock-4-GB-GDDR5-PC/3ada3f3f5eb14e6f8ceb81ae838991c3

Quick search.... pretty sure I can do better with a week worth of deal hunting but I already built my build these past holidays.

 

[AltissimaRatio]

After re-reading, I think the way bigger problem with his post is that he as a console gamer is registered on a - as he calls it - PC Master Race board. Beep, beep....logic, anyone?

i also have a PC. how you managed it to prevent that from comming to your Mind?

Ok, let me ask you one thing: is ULTRA from 2012 the same thing as ULTRA from 2016?

First of all - i was reffering to comparisions from 2015. In wich the PS4 was able to present medium to high Details in most Games.
And then i ask you how many PCs out there can actually play those 2016 Games with Ultra Details? Its not like everyone buys a Titan. PC Market is split up thats a no Brainer here. The more i want to see those "master Race People" to Fall. Their Systems represent maybe 10% of all Gaming PCs out there but they behave like every single PC smokes the PS4...
so..

 

[Innolis]

What really frightens me is how drastic the "sacrifices" will be between PS4 and PS4K. I don't want it to be a similar situation to Hyrule Warriors on 3DS/N3DS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p0pI018jQ0

 

[orochi91]

Why do so many PC gamers come across like sleazy car salesmen so often? Do you work off commission? I've never seen a group so concerned with where strangers play their video games.

Lmao

 

[DeepEnigma]

Somebody check on Daniel. Is Daniel okay?

 

[El_Chino]

About as long as the PS4 did lol.

Provided people don't mind locking to 30fps, you know, like consoles -- probably for quite some time -- even longer if then turn down settings to match console settings.

I'm just gonna bask in the irony for a minute here



hnnnnnnnnnnngggh

*pelvic thrust

You guys are just adding on to the fact that if a gpu can he upgraded every few years, why can't a console? Lol. I'm gonna stop before this turns into more of a PC vs Console thread. I just think it's a bit hypocritical to think it's dumb to upgrade consoles when pc gamers do it also. And all of a sudden canceling PSVR pre orders? Come on. It was designed with the PS4 in mind. It's not like it's gonna a stop working all of a sudden. Hyperbole.

 

[Prisoner KSC2-303]

I dont like at all of this whole idea.
Anyway Im seeing some talking about PS4K canibaling PSVR.
I think Sony could go this way to not hurt the PS4 and PSVR sales this year:
1) E3 no mention of PS4K, Sony focus on PSVR and announce GoW 4 "PS4 OG Edition".
2) October PSVR release
3) November all AAA hits releases + PS4 price cut at Black Friday
4) PSX December, GoW 4 "PS4K Edition" trailer showing nice improvements. All exclusives from PS4 OG get patches to PS4K announced. Announcement that PS4 OG Black Friday price (that still going from black friday to PSX) is now official PS4 price.
5) PS4K releases same day of GoW 4, PS4K Exclusive Bundle.

The problem with 1 and 2 is people know PS4k is coming, whether Sony say anything or not. That'll inevitably lead to some deciding to go for one or the other, or holding off until both are out and they can make a more informed decision.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Posted this in the wrong thread lol.

So, I had heard some rumblings about a new Playstation, but it was never clear whether it was just Sony doing R&D on a new Playstation, or an iterated PS4. I haven't been privy to any clear information on a new PS4, but judging that people in the retail sector are being briefed on it, I imagine its both real & coming relatively soon.

I was actually taken aback when MS had come out with their talk of having a new iterated Xbox, or multiple boxes called Xbox, about a month ago. We got into some heavy discussions on the development feasibility of what supporting that new console would mean in that thread. Everything I said there still rings true here in PS4's case. Looking back on it, I think GopherD's impression is correct, especially after what Phil Spencer said this last week. MS likely heard of Sony's plans,since word had been going around the industry in some form or another (i'd heard of it about late last year, although it wasn't clear if it was a new PS console, or an iterated PS4), and they likely are trying to get in front of it from a PR standpoint. I guess we'll find out this E3 one way or another.

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

It sounds like Microsoft have been caught out by this which is really surprising!

 

[wapplew]

I am baffled at some PC gamers against this.

They should be universally loving this shit. The biggest complaint in PC gaming on the interwebz, is that consoles are holding advancements back on the PC versions of games due to it being the base target.

Well, if consoles can have incremental upgrades for performance (like all tech does), then that would translate into the PC having less hold backs then.

Or is it more of a platform/confirmation struggle in the head at play, where even some PC gamers now are second guessing sticking in that ecosystem if consoles can offer similar mid/high end options? Seems a few are going out of their way to discredit this, but in the same breath talk about how they can just 'upgrade their pc'.

Confusing to say the least. This could be a good thing for PC gaming tech with the games having a higher ceiling for the base target.

The ceiling won't be higher, if anything it will get lower.
Just see popular PC exclusive, most of them go way way low then today's console ceiling.
Incremental upgrade mean PC need to wait few years longer than tradition before the ceiling raise again. Why?
Because traditional gen last 5 years, and the ceiling will jump.
3 years upgrade however, ceiling won't jump at year 3 because forward compatible doesn't allow it. You have to wait 3 years longer until next iteration release,
even then the jump won't be 6 years of advancement, it will be 3 years because forward compatible will hold it back.

 

[CJVaughn]

GTX 960 for $200? Where are you guys getting ripped off?

$189.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487154&cm_re=GTX_960-_-14-487-154-_-Product

 

[Papacheeks]

But thats crap, the Ps4 was the best they could do with the money in 2013.

Ps4k is only possible because of 14 nm in 2016. Its not too hard to say in 2016, chips have got 4 x smaller in 2016 (its area remember) so we can offer a Ps4K in 2016 to do 4K output and run some games in top gear. They play the same games. Ps4K is the new premium model until we envisage Ps5 in 2022.

Done. Sony did not have a magic wand in 2013 to have a 3.5 TF OG Ps4 with 350 Watts of heat in a large box with 3 fans costing £ 1000. I spent £ 650 on 2 Ps4 in 2013, I understand sony gave me decent value for what was possible in 2013, and I bought 2.



So your all for the If I cant play No mans sky in VR, then nobody can.

Call it fragmentation, dress it up how you want. Different powers work for PC, mobile, apple.

I have a 12 year old kid, This stuff does not bother me at all, as you get older you dont mind being in your ford when a guy goes past in a Porsche. But for younger people its harder to take, I get it.

But they had vr planned and developed after PS4 was finished from RD. AND TO show it, preview, demo and now announce it with price, bundles and launch software running on PS4. To now then have news that to truly get the most out of it you need an updated console is complete horseshit. Would rather they release, demoed them running on 4K and regular tv's. So by the time this leak happened. People knew what to expect.
They would know what each experience 4K or not would be like. We're those demoed now running on PS4K MODEL we just didn't know it?

This is the issue. And people saying everything is fine development wise. Remember what third party games look like compared to exclusives. Big difference for the most part in utilization of hardware. Now imagine that type of discrepancy on OG PS4 vs. PS4K.

No one unless they have the kit in there hands and can comment, don't know 100% how this can or could play out. Stop dismissing people because you think your being more logical when you have just as much information as Everyone else at the moment.

 

[Xander Crews]

All these companies care about is money in greedy little hands and yeah, I understand that but sometimes, it simply makes no sense doing something like this that could end up costing you more money in the long run. I'm tired of all these publishers trying to get an insane amount of money from me on every game or console.

If the market won't pay what they ask then they will fail. Don't worry. They can't ask anything they want. People have choice.

Consoles should last as is for at least five years, period. Not three which is fucking insulting and a slap in the face to everyone who has purchased a PS4 since launch.

They aren't abandoning the PS4 platform. So, it will last longer than 3 years. They have 30 million people (to date) to still sell games to.

Sony would fucking deserve it for being a huge egomaniac money hungry greedy company who still hasn't learned from previous mistakes.

Well, they are giving us something of value. A better PS4. I'm greedy too because I want a PS4k for the lowest price possible.

 

[Muzicfreq]

You guys are just adding on to the fact that if a gpu can he upgraded every few years, why can't a console? Lol. I'm gonna stop before this turns into more of a PC vs Console thread. I just think it's a bit hypocritical to think it's dumb to upgrade consoles when pc gamers do it also. And all of a sudden canceling PSVR pre orders? Come on. It was designed with the PSVR in mind. It's not like it's gonna a stop working all of a sudden. Hyperbole.

I think it's more like it will last like 3-4 years to go.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

It sounds like Microsoft have been caught out by this which is really surprising!

I had a feeling Sony would not get complacent and give Microsoft a chance to gain any momentum. I love this aggressive attitude towards improving the platform. They are doing what they feel is necessary without worrying about the competition.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

It sounds like Microsoft have been caught out by this which is really surprising!

Is it?

Same thing happened with the launch of the systems. MSFT's problem was the ESRAM. They do not have the room to be able to do this in the same timeframe at the same cost. The tech is not there yet for them.

 

[CJVaughn]

You guys are just adding on to the fact that if a gpu can he upgraded every few years, why can't a console? Lol. I'm gonna stop before this turns into more of a PC vs Console thread. I just think it's a bit hypocritical to think it's dumb to upgrade consoles when pc gamers do it also. And all of a sudden canceling PSVR pre orders? Come on. It was designed with the PSVR in mind. It's not like it's gonna a stop working all of a sudden. Hyperbole.

I don't think any PC user is arguing against consoles upgrading every few years, unless I'm wrong? In fact, this will likely serve to merge the two markets in the not so distant future if the homogenization of consoles and PC continues the way it has. This is a good thing.

 

[orochi91]

I dont like at all of this whole idea.
Anyway Im seeing some talking about PS4K canibaling PSVR.
I think Sony could go this way to not hurt the PS4 and PSVR sales this year:
1) E3 no mention of PS4K, Sony focus on PSVR and announce GoW 4 "PS4 OG Edition".
2) October PSVR release
3) November all AAA hits releases + PS4 price cut at Black Friday
4) PSX December, GoW 4 "PS4K Edition" trailer showing nice improvements. All exclusives from PS4 OG get patches to PS4K announced. Announcement that PS4 OG Black Friday price (that still going from black friday to PSX) is now official PS4 price.
5) PS4K releases same day of GoW 4, PS4K Exclusive Bundle.

I think Sony should address PS4K at E3, especially since that will be their biggest stage of the year.

Besides, the cat is out of the bag, this news has leaked across the entire Internet via social media; this thread alone has more than a million views.

I agree that PS4K shouldn't release this year though, as it would destroy PSVR sales prospects.

 

[nekkid]

As someone who's thinking of buying a PS4, this is fantastic news, really. Either I spend more cash and get a tricked-out PS4, or I get a standard PS4 at the inevitable cheaper price.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

The ceiling won't be higher, if anything it will get lower.
Just see popular PC exclusive, most of them go way way low then today's console ceiling.
Incremental upgrade mean PC need to wait few years longer than tradition before the ceiling raise again. Why?
Because traditional gen last 5 years, and the ceiling will jump.
3 years upgrade however, ceiling won't jump at year 3 because forward compatible doesn't allow it. You have to wait 3 years longer until next iteration release,
even then the jump won't be 6 years of advancement, it will be 3 years because forward compatible will hold it back.

Your are forgetting something those big upgrades were coming because of die shrinks.
That is not happening any more , it might take us 3 to 5 years just to get to 10nm or 7nm.

 

[pahamrick]

You guys are just adding on to the fact that if a gpu can he upgraded every few years, why can't a console? Lol. I'm gonna stop before this turns into more of a PC vs Console thread. I just think it's a bit hypocritical to think it's dumb to upgrade consoles when pc gamers do it also. And all of a sudden canceling PSVR pre orders? Come on. It was designed with the PSVR in mind. It's not like it's gonna a stop working all of a sudden. Hyperbole.

Uh, I wasn't adding onto anything -- I was just correcting your blatantly wrong information you were spreading around. You don't need to put words in my mouth to try to make yourself look better.

I personally have no issue with upgraded consoles every 3 or so years.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The ceiling won't be higher, if anything it will get lower.
Just see popular PC exclusive, most of them go way way low then today's console ceiling.
Incremental upgrade mean PC need to wait few years longer than tradition before the ceiling raise again. Why?
Because traditional gen last 5 years, and the ceiling will jump.
3 years upgrade however, ceiling won't jump at year 3 because forward compatible doesn't allow it. You have to wait 3 years longer until next iteration release,
even then the jump won't be 6 years of advancement, it will be 3 years because forward compatible will hold it back.

You could not be more wrong. Sorry.

Your are forgetting something those big upgrades were coming because of die shrinks.
That is not happening any more , it might take us 4 or 5 years just to get to 10nm or 7nm.

And this.

 

[Demanufacture]

As someone who's thinking of buying a PS4, this is fantastic news, really. Either I spend more cash and get a tricked-out PS4, or I get a standard PS4 at the inevitable cheaper price.

And for anyone that bought a PS4 last christmas...fucked it.

 

[badb0y]

That sounds good in theory but what if the 5 year stagnation happens again like with 28nm?

What 5 year stagnation? GPUs haven't stagnated for 5 years, CPUs have because AMD sucks dick and Intel can't be bothered to move forward when they can drip feed us 5% incremental updates every year.

 

[orochi91]

Your are forgetting something those big upgrades were coming because of die shrinks.
That is not happening any more , it might take us 3 to 5 years just to get to 10nm or 7nm.

Yea, Moore's Law got torpedoed recently.

 

[Demanufacture]

What 5 year stagnation? GPUs haven't stagnated for 5 years, CPUs have because AMD sucks dick and Intel can't be bothered to move forward when they can drip feed us 5% incremental updates every year.

For real..Not sure when to upgrade from my 3570k..had it for years and it's still great.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

If anything, this thread (and general forum response to this generation at large) shows how out of touch many gamers are with their own hobby, trends in the industry and world of consumer electronics.

I think for some of you, (yes, even the ones that are full of shit about a move to PC) the time to jump off and just primarly be a retro gamer is fast approaching.

The Market isnt the same as it was as the 90s and anyone thinking that this new approach to console gaming is going to fail is as deluded as the people thinking that the frogmarch to digital, always online, season passes, preorder culture and Microtransactions is going to be reversed.

Look im with you on some things. The rate gaming is going, I really cant see myself buying a PS5. This generation is probably my last.

but sitting here crying online doesnt mean shit. The opinions on a place like this only really matter at the start of a generation when the hardcore are the taste makers. Best believe is Microsoft had introduced an always online Xbox one mid gen they would not of got half the backlash they got.

Now these consoles have entered the mainstream, our opinions are irrelevant. The wider market has embraced iterative upgrades in tech and the PS4k will be nothing out the ordinary, especially from a CE company like Sony. As I said before, this is nothing to do with Playstation as a brand. This is something thats come from the mothership to bring Playstation in line with the overall company mission. The mission to push 4K at every opportunity.

As gamers and wider consumers, you have to decide if this is something you can put up with. If you think its a line too far, jump off. No one is forcing you to keep up. But crying into your beer here isnt going to change anything, nor is bringing up the misfortunes of gaming company over 20 years ago that didnt ever have the marketing muscle, the stable of products supporting the jump in visual standard or the wider consumer electronic market that had been conditioned to buy upgraded hardware every 3-4 years.

Honestly, reading some of your nightmare scenarios and arguements sound like you are trying to convince yourself this a bad thing not anyone else. The logic is often paper thin. Let it go. Things have changed. What you thought console gaming was about is dead and has been for over a generation. Either deal with it or move on. There are million other hobbies to have after all.

 

[hesido]

Or "building on the base of the amazing success of the PS4, we're delighted to introduce the newest member of the playstation family"

Why doesn't Apple get criticised for the exact same thing? "here is the new iphone 6S. Sorry to all those that bought the 6. I know we said it was amazing last year, but its shit now"

You can skip 3-4 generations of phones while maintaining the ability to perform the core functions without it affecting your "hobby", of course Apple is always happy to bring free OS updates to make your phone go slow enough for you to burn your money on the next one.

The phone market is also a very different beast, a very fast iterating one, because that's how the competition boils down to, due to number of players willing to take that spot of the bleeding edge, and phones are ubiquitous enough that there's always a pool of buyers for the next line of products, and there are a heck lot of models with so much variance in capabilities.

Sure, some people buy every generation and half generation of phones and maybe it's good for the consumer and the companies, but I still don't get the phone comparisons.

I think mid gen updates to hardware will take away an important aspect of console gaming, not everything has to work like the PC's.

 

[cyberheater]

If anything, this thread (and general forum response to this generation at large) shows how out of touch many gamers are with their own hobby, trends in the industry and world of consumer electronics.

I think for some of you, (yes, even the ones that are full of shit about a move to PC) the time to jump off and just primarly be a retro gamer is fast approaching.

LOL. You were doing so well up to that point.

 

[Keihart]

The ceiling won't be higher, if anything it will get lower.
Just see popular PC exclusive, most of them go way way low then today's console ceiling.
Incremental upgrade mean PC need to wait few years longer than tradition before the ceiling raise again. Why?
Because traditional gen last 5 years, and the ceiling will jump.
3 years upgrade however, ceiling won't jump at year 3 because forward compatible doesn't allow it. You have to wait 3 years longer until next iteration release,
even then the jump won't be 6 years of advancement, it will be 3 years because forward compatible will hold it back.

I also agree with you, i was thinking more of midgen interations, if it becomes a constant fordward and backwards compatibility then we are looking to a slower rise in the basaline for games to target in all these platforms, just like in mobiles games were phones could be doing some amazing things with games wich they usually don't.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And for anyone that bought a PS4 last christmas...fucked it.

This can be said about EVERYTHING in life that you purchase.

You still got your PS4, you still played the games on it, you can STILL play the games on it.

Such an obtuse, 'my feels', argument.

What about those who got a PS3 a year before the PS4? For shame!

Yea, Moore's Law got torpedoed recently.

Looked hilarious seeing the Putin avatar while reading this.

 

[Jabba]

2000 USD. Like all compuiter components.

The everbody wears a size nine shoe equivalent?

On another note. This thread is quite enjoyable for it's discussion. Many here posting, much faster and more eloquently than I could.

That said I'm keeping my psvr bundle preorder and purchase a PS4k not much longer afterwards.

 

[wapplew]

You could not be more wrong. Sorry.

Care to explain why I'm wrong?
It's simple math.
Say PS4.5 is 4TF, PS5 is 6TF. 3 years apart from each other.
When PS4.5 release, the ceiling is PS4 1.7TF, forward compatible make it the ceiling.
3 years later, PS5 release, the ceiling will be PS4.5 at 4TF, again forward compatible. In order to get PS5 as ceiling, you need to wait another 3 years when they release PS5.5 and cut off PS4.5 support. That's year 9.

Traditional genration say year 6 release PS5, ceiling raise to PS5 at year 6.

 

[PdotMichael]

They aren't abandoning the PS4 platform. So, it will last longer than 3 years. They have 30 million people (to date) to still sell games to.

In fact it even means that the platform gets supported for a longer time now.

I don't think any PC user is arguing against consoles upgrading every few years, unless I'm wrong? In fact, this will likely serve to merge the two markets in the not so distant future if the homogenization of consoles and PC continues the way it has. This is a good thing.

Consoles, first party and exclusive games, and also marketing deals are a way of pushing consumers into a closed ecosystem. No one is interested in merging console ecosystem with the open PC system, Microsoft will fail if they really trying to etablish once again a walled garden on PC. And it doesn't matter if consoles are using exotic hardware components or just customized PC hardware.

 

[Demanufacture]

This can be said about EVERYTHING in life that you purchase.

You still got your PS4, you still played the games on it, you can STILL play the games on it.

Such an obtuse, 'my feels', argument.

What about those who got a PS3 a year before the PS4? For shame!

Well they probably knew of the PS4 coming out and didn't care..

Anyway I got my PS4 2 years ago so I aint mad.

 

[cyberheater]

What about those who got a PS3 a year before the PS4? For shame!

It has to be said again. There is a huge difference between an upgrade to an existing system and a new generation.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Care to explain why I'm wrong?
It's simple math.
Say PS4.5 is 4TF, PS5 is 6TF. 3 years apart from each other.
When PS4.5 release, the ceiling is PS4 1.7TF, forward compatible make it the ceiling.
3 years later, PS5 release, the ceiling will be PS4.5 at 4TF, again forward compatible. In order to get PS5 as ceiling, you need to wait another 3 years when they release PS5.5 and cut off PS4.5 support. That's year 9.

Traditional genration say year 6 release PS5, ceiling raise to PS5 at year 6.

PS5 is not only going to be less than 50% stronger if it comes out 3 years later .

 

[GnawtyDog]

$189.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487154&cm_re=GTX_960-_-14-487-154-_-Product

Last year (Nov, Dec) they were going for as low as $150-160 with 20% off coupons on Jet (- $20 mail-in rebates extra so, $130-140 ish). Newegg is hit and miss - and the hits usually come with a rush. Only bought my MB from them when I made my build.

 

[wapplew]

PS5 is not only going to be less than 50% stronger if it comes out 3 years later .
They can drop support for PS4 when PS5 comes out even more so If PS4k sales are good.

So, your model, do they cut off PS4.5 support when PS5 come out, because that's very different, it's basically traditional way of things.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

LOL. You were doing so well up to that point.

If you are someone who only like packaged products and are not on the "games as a service" train, outside of indies, your options are going to become increasingly limited as the years go on.

Every AAA publisher is running headfirst into socially integrated Always online bullshit. Its time to accept this and embrace the games that are like we are used and love...on older generation consoles.

 

[CJVaughn]

Last year they were going for as low as $150-160 with 20% off coupons on Jet on top of $20 mail-in rebates. Newegg is hit and miss - and the hits usually come with a rush. Only bought my MB from them when I made my build.

Oh, you're not wrong. If you find parts on sale you can get insane deals, which is exactly how I built my first computer for $650 (usually about $900-$1000 in components) and is one of the truly great things about gaming on PC. The price was just a response to the poster who said you couldn't find anything to play modern games for less than $350-$400.

 

[Keihart]

In the best of escenarios is like the two worst things about consoles.

You buy new hardware more often and "generations" last longer.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Regardless of how much more stronger PS5 will be, to achieve PS5 as game design base line, 3 years iteration model will have to wait 3 more years.

Never mind .
As i said you are forgetting about die shrinks in all of this .

 

[DeepEnigma]

If anything, this thread (and general forum response to this generation at large) shows how out of touch many gamers are with their own hobby, trends in the industry and world of consumer electronics.

I think for some of you, (yes, even the ones that are full of shit about a move to PC) the time to jump off and just primarly be a retro gamer is fast approaching.

The Market isnt the same as it was as the 90s and anyone thinking that this new approach to console gaming is going to fail is as deluded as the people thinking that the frogmarch to digital, always online, season passes, preorder culture and Microtransactions is going to be reversed.

Look im with you on some things. The rate gaming is going, I really cant see myself buying a PS5. This generation is probably my last.

but sitting here crying online doesnt mean shit. The opinions on a place like this only really matter at the start of a generation when the hardcore are the taste makers. Best believe is Microsoft had introduced an always online Xbox one mid gen they would not of got half the backlash they got.

Now these consoles have entered the mainstream, our opinions are irrelevant. The wider market has embraced iterative upgrades in tech and the PS4k will be nothing out the ordinary, especially from a CE company like Sony. As I said before, this is nothing to do with Playstation as a brand. This is something thats come from the mothership to bring Playstation in line with the overall company mission. The mission to push 4K at every opportunity.

As gamers and wider consumers, you have to decide if this is something you can put up with. If you think its a line too far, jump off. No one is forcing you to keep up. But crying into your beer here isnt going to change anything, nor is bringing up the misfortunes of gaming company over 20 years ago that didnt ever have the marketing muscle, the stable of products supporting the jump in visual standard or the wider consumer electronic market that had been conditioned to buy upgraded hardware every 3-4 years.

Honestly, reading some of your nightmare scenarios and arguements sound like you are trying to convince yourself this a bad thing not anyone else. The logic is often paper thin. Let it go. Things have changed. What you thought console gaming was about is dead and has been for over a generation. Either deal with it or move on. There are million other hobbies to have after all.

RockClap.gif

 

[cyberheater]

If you are someone who only like packaged products and are not on the "games as a service" train, outside of indies, your options are going to become increasingly limited as the years go on.

Every AAA publisher is running headfirst into socially integrated Always online bullshit. Its time to accept this and embrace the games that are like we are used and love...on older generation consoles.

Folks buy Sony consoles for quality AAA exclusive titles. That and modern multiplatform titles are the drivers. Folks aren't going to abandon that for retro gaming.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

What 5 year stagnation? GPUs haven't stagnated for 5 years, CPUs have because AMD sucks dick and Intel can't be bothered to move forward when they can drip feed us 5% incremental updates every year.

The process node? Consoles rely on that to reduce costs/get more bang per watt and in this instance/each new generation to increase performance along with the new GPU/CPU tech so they come in within thermal limits consoles have.

 

[Sanctuary]

I am baffled at some PC gamers against this.

They should be universally loving this shit. The biggest complaint in PC gaming on the interwebz, is that consoles are holding advancements back on the PC versions of games due to it being the base target.

Well, if consoles can have incremental upgrades for performance (like all tech does), then that would translate into the PC having less hold backs then.

Or is it more of a platform/confirmation struggle in the head at play, where even some PC gamers now are second guessing sticking in that ecosystem if consoles can offer similar mid/high end options? Seems a few are going out of their way to discredit this, but in the same breath talk about how they can just 'upgrade their pc'.

Confusing to say the least. This could be a good thing for PC gaming tech with the games having a higher ceiling for the base target.

1. Sony console exclusives have zero bearing on PC releases.
2. Multiplat games are still going to end up mostly the same on PC as they are now. Until Microsoft decides to follow suit, the Xbone isn't going away.