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[DeepEnigma]

If anything, this thread (and general forum response to this generation at large) shows how out of touch many gamers are with their own hobby, trends in the industry and world of consumer electronics.

I think for some of you, (yes, even the ones that are full of shit about a move to PC) the time to jump off and just primarly be a retro gamer is fast approaching.

The Market isnt the same as it was as the 90s and anyone thinking that this new approach to console gaming is going to fail is as deluded as the people thinking that the frogmarch to digital, always online, season passes, preorder culture and Microtransactions is going to be reversed.

Look im with you on some things. The rate gaming is going, I really cant see myself buying a PS5. This generation is probably my last.

but sitting here crying online doesnt mean shit. The opinions on a place like this only really matter at the start of a generation when the hardcore are the taste makers. Best believe is Microsoft had introduced an always online Xbox one mid gen they would not of got half the backlash they got.

Now these consoles have entered the mainstream, our opinions are irrelevant. The wider market has embraced iterative upgrades in tech and the PS4k will be nothing out the ordinary, especially from a CE company like Sony. As I said before, this is nothing to do with Playstation as a brand. This is something thats come from the mothership to bring Playstation in line with the overall company mission. The mission to push 4K at every opportunity.

As gamers and wider consumers, you have to decide if this is something you can put up with. If you think its a line too far, jump off. No one is forcing you to keep up. But crying into your beer here isnt going to change anything, nor is bringing up the misfortunes of gaming company over 20 years ago that didnt ever have the marketing muscle, the stable of products supporting the jump in visual standard or the wider consumer electronic market that had been conditioned to buy upgraded hardware every 3-4 years.

Honestly, reading some of your nightmare scenarios and arguements sound like you are trying to convince yourself this a bad thing not anyone else. The logic is often paper thin. Let it go. Things have changed. What you thought console gaming was about is dead and has been for over a generation. Either deal with it or move on. There are million other hobbies to have after all.

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It has to be said again. There is a huge difference between an upgrade to an existing system and a new generation.

It must be said again... there is no more 'new generation', just like the PC, Phone, Tablet, etc... it is now ecosystem based. Console makers no longer want to start from scratch, hell, big publishers went on record saying it is very risky every time it happens, and mobile is becoming more and more attractive.

1. Sony console exclusives have zero bearing on PC releases.
2. Multiplat games are still going to end up mostly the same on PC as they are now. Until Microsoft decides to follow suit, the Xbone isn't going away.

Where the hell did you get Sony console exclusive out of that? lol

MSFT is following suit, they are just in a technical bottleneck at the moment.

 

[Fafalada]

Again, why would development waste their time/resources on PC with myriad more of configurations to account for

Simple - most of them don't.
Outside of 1 chosen spec, PC SKUs pass the responsibility for tailoring/tuning/optimization of the experience to other hardware-configurations pretty much entirely to the users. It's not that the cost isn't there - users just take it upon themselves to do it - and the core userbase pretty much demands it.

There are a select few titles that actually do optimize and tune for a wide-range of hardware(mostly because it directly benefits their business model) - and those spend considerably more on that than a typical retail title spends optimizing/tuning for 3-5 hw-platforms it ships on.

 

[cyberheater]

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It must be said again... there is no more 'new generation', just like the PC, Phone, Tablet, etc... it is now ecosystem based. Console makers no longer want to start from scratch, hell, big publishers went on record saying it is very risky every time it happens, and mobile is becoming more and more attractive.

I understand what you are saying but it's a paradigm shift for console owners and it's going to take a lot of getting used to. Personally I think it's a bad move. People buy consoles knowing they are going to have a long time span. That's going to change if you know you're only going to get 3 years out of it before the manufacturer releases an update. That puts an entirely different perspective on the value proposition of owning a launch console. Let alone buying one a few years down the line knowing that an update is just around the corner. I think it will have a huge impact on sales for next gen machines from that manufacturer.

 

[nekkid]

And for anyone that bought a PS4 last christmas...fucked it.

Sorry to be crass, but that's not me so....not really bothered.

 

[PdotMichael]

I understand what you are saying but it's a paradigm shift for console owners and it's going to take a lot of getting used to. Personally I think it's a bad move. People buy consoles knowing they are going to have a long time span. That's going to change if you know you're only going to get 3 years out of it before the manufacturer releases an update. That puts an entirely different perspective on the value proposition of owning a launch console. Let alone buying one a few years down the line knowing that an update is just around the corner. I think it will have a huge impact on sales for next gen machines from that manufacturer.

You are still getting more than 3 years out of a console.

I mean how can people still claiming the opposite?

 

[wapplew]

If anything, this thread (and general forum response to this generation at large) shows how out of touch many gamers are with their own hobby, trends in the industry and world of consumer electronics.

I think for some of you, (yes, even the ones that are full of shit about a move to PC) the time to jump off and just primarly be a retro gamer is fast approaching.

The Market isnt the same as it was as the 90s and anyone thinking that this new approach to console gaming is going to fail is as deluded as the people thinking that the frogmarch to digital, always online, season passes, preorder culture and Microtransactions is going to be reversed.

Look im with you on some things. The rate gaming is going, I really cant see myself buying a PS5. This generation is probably my last.

but sitting here crying online doesnt mean shit. The opinions on a place like this only really matter at the start of a generation when the hardcore are the taste makers. Best believe is Microsoft had introduced an always online Xbox one mid gen they would not of got half the backlash they got.

Now these consoles have entered the mainstream, our opinions are irrelevant. The wider market has embraced iterative upgrades in tech and the PS4k will be nothing out the ordinary, especially from a CE company like Sony. As I said before, this is nothing to do with Playstation as a brand. This is something thats come from the mothership to bring Playstation in line with the overall company mission. The mission to push 4K at every opportunity.

As gamers and wider consumers, you have to decide if this is something you can put up with. If you think its a line too far, jump off. No one is forcing you to keep up. But crying into your beer here isnt going to change anything, nor is bringing up the misfortunes of gaming company over 20 years ago that didnt ever have the marketing muscle, the stable of products supporting the jump in visual standard or the wider consumer electronic market that had been conditioned to buy upgraded hardware every 3-4 years.

Honestly, reading some of your nightmare scenarios and arguements sound like you are trying to convince yourself this a bad thing not anyone else. The logic is often paper thin. Let it go. Things have changed. What you thought console gaming was about is dead and has been for over a generation. Either deal with it or move on. There are million other hobbies to have after all.

You are right, I'll stop posting on this mater now, I'll hear what's the plan from big 3, if I'm not ok will it, I'll just slowly move away.
Some people think iPad model is great for their hobby and it's ok, I just think it's bad for me.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I understand what you are saying but it's a paradigm shift for console owners and it's going to take a lot of getting used to. Personally I think it's a bad move. People buy consoles knowing they are going to have a long time span. That's going to change if you know you're only going to get 3 years out of it before the manufacturer releases an update. That puts an entirely different perspective on the value proposition of owning a launch console. Let alone buying one a few years down the line knowing that an update is just around the corner. I think it will have a huge impact on sales for next gen machines from that manufacturer.

I will agree it is a shift, but plenty will argue, it is about damned time they caught up with the rest of the tech world.

As for the rest, I can't even anymore. It is going in circles. Take out (a) insert (b), etc..

I will close with this. It will not be as bad as anyone makes it out to be, because we have been conditioned with this with every other facet in the tech world. The only outlier and outdated one, was consoles. People fucking love their options. If not, manufacturers would not be providing so many, in various price ranges of affordability of the demographics.

Simple - most of them don't.
Outside of 1 chosen spec, PC SKUs pass the responsibility for tailoring/tuning/optimization of the experience to other hardware-configurations pretty much entirely to the users. It's not that the cost isn't there - users just take it upon themselves to do it - and the core userbase pretty much demands it.

There are a select few titles that actually do optimize and tune for a wide-range of hardware(mostly because it directly benefits their business model) - and those spend considerably more on that than a typical retail title spends optimizing/tuning for 3-5 hw-platforms it ships on.

I knew the answer, I was staging the question.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

If - and I'm not convinced yet - we see an honest, upgraded PS4, it'll be after the PSVR is on the shelves and had time to sell. "Better VR" is a marketing term people might understand and buy into, if VR is out and people have had a reasonable chance to experience it, to understand what "better VR" might look like.

Good point but by then they might as well just do PS5.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Folks buy Sony consoles for quality AAA exclusive titles. That and modern multiplatform titles are the drivers. Folks aren't going to abandon that for retro gaming.

Well, they will be buying a PS4.5k wont they?

And that point is about the wider industry, not limited to Sony.

 

[mejin]

I got the 49" X830C, only because they had an 'open box' when I walked in to purchase the W800C (1080p) set for $700 as a hold over until OLED gets more players from Sony or Samsung to drive prices down in hopefully a year or two. I wanted a larger display for when UC4 hits (been gaming on a 1080p 27" IPS monitor for the PC/PS3/4).

But as the salesperson was heading to the back to get one, he noticed I was watching a PS4 stream on the X830C. He then said, "we have an open box, but the TV was never taken out, it was opened to give the guy screws for the base stand that his internet ordered one did not come with. We have let you have this for $600." (it retails for $900 and change).

It was a no brainer decision. 4K set, 120hz, X1 scaler, IPS (while not as deep blacks as VA, I am used to them from PC for better viewing angles), and perfect 4:4:4 Chroma 4K @ 60Hz for PC input, brand new for $600?, less than the 60hz 1080p set? Uh, YES! And they even discounted the extended warranty to be $40 less too. (Florida is the lightning capital of the world, while I never had an issue, better safe than sorry.)

I also lucked out, because I guess they gave him the stand brackets that screw to the TV and stand as well (the screw bag was taped to it), so I did not need the screws from Home Depot, they opened another box the next day and gave me the screws and brackets since it was mislabeled, and will correctly label the new open box so it isn't an endless cycle, lol.

All I got to say, Daredevil in 4K on Netflix... BRUHHHH!!!! (Just wish they did not have that silly noise filter, I get they wanted to add style, but the already crystal sharp bricks in the distance could be even sharper, lol) I will say though, make-up artists will have to be good as fuck going forward with 4K... you can spot all the imperfections and the makeup lines in the neck when not blended properly.

damn, nice deal! Actually, this is the one I've been aiming for this year. Here in Brazil I'll probably have to pay at least the triple you paid and that's why PS VR is no longer a possibility this year lol

 

[Sanctuary]

Where the hell did you get Sony console exclusive out of that? lol

Uh, probably because this is a PS4k thread, and so far your post only really applied to the PS4k in terms of console improvements impacting PC releases. Also, until the rumor mill starts regarding what Microsoft is actually doing, they could be not just behind, but way behind. That means games will still need to cater to the Xbone, which means PC multiplats remain unchanged.

MSFT is following suit, they are just in a technical bottleneck at the moment.

Source?

Also, even if both consoles end up affecting the quality of releases on PC, it's not like PC hardware is going to remain in a vacuum, without advancing in the meantime. PCs will always be held back regardless to some extent, but that's not really relevant.

 

[Bl@de]

If anything, this thread (and general forum response to this generation at large) shows how out of touch many gamers are with their own hobby, trends in the industry and world of consumer electronics.

I think for some of you, (yes, even the ones that are full of shit about a move to PC) the time to jump off and just primarly be a retro gamer is fast approaching.

The Market isnt the same as it was as the 90s and anyone thinking that this new approach to console gaming is going to fail is as deluded as the people thinking that the frogmarch to digital, always online, season passes, preorder culture and Microtransactions is going to be reversed.

Look im with you on some things. The rate gaming is going, I really cant see myself buying a PS5. This generation is probably my last.

but sitting here crying online doesnt mean shit. The opinions on a place like this only really matter at the start of a generation when the hardcore are the taste makers. Best believe is Microsoft had introduced an always online Xbox one mid gen they would not of got half the backlash they got.

Now these consoles have entered the mainstream, our opinions are irrelevant. The wider market has embraced iterative upgrades in tech and the PS4k will be nothing out the ordinary, especially from a CE company like Sony. As I said before, this is nothing to do with Playstation as a brand. This is something thats come from the mothership to bring Playstation in line with the overall company mission. The mission to push 4K at every opportunity.

As gamers and wider consumers, you have to decide if this is something you can put up with. If you think its a line too far, jump off. No one is forcing you to keep up. But crying into your beer here isnt going to change anything, nor is bringing up the misfortunes of gaming company over 20 years ago that didnt ever have the marketing muscle, the stable of products supporting the jump in visual standard or the wider consumer electronic market that had been conditioned to buy upgraded hardware every 3-4 years.

Honestly, reading some of your nightmare scenarios and arguements sound like you are trying to convince yourself this a bad thing not anyone else. The logic is often paper thin. Let it go. Things have changed. What you thought console gaming was about is dead and has been for over a generation. Either deal with it or move on. There are million other hobbies to have after all.

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[Huge Succeeded]

You guys are just adding on to the fact that if a gpu can he upgraded every few years, why can't a console? Lol. I'm gonna stop before this turns into more of a PC vs Console thread. I just think it's a bit hypocritical to think it's dumb to upgrade consoles when pc gamers do it also. And all of a sudden canceling PSVR pre orders? Come on. It was designed with the PS4 in mind. It's not like it's gonna a stop working all of a sudden. Hyperbole.

I think that PS4K and an Xbox refresh are super interesting ideas for console gaming moving forward and I am not against them, for lots of reasons outlined in this thread so far, the main one being that as a high end PC centric gamer I stand to lose nothing and gain lots from any improvement to the AAA side's baseline development hardware. I was just poking fun and I guess I missed your context, feel free to call me a shithead for it, I already know it

One thing is that upgrading your PC is a very different beast from upgrading from a PS4 to a PS4K, I ASSUME. I could be wrong, and I'd love to be proven wrong, seriously, I'd love for there to be just tons of games on PS4 right now that actually benefit in some way from the improved PS4K hardware in the move forward, so that they don't feel like separate ecosystems entirely. I could also live without but I'd love for this new kind of console cycle to adopt as many of the major strengths of hardware iteration that PC gaming currently enjoys. I'mma own another Playstation someday for that Uncharted, after all. I want a box I can really love and PS4K will probably be that for me.

 

[CosmicQueso]

Guys, guys, guys....

Is Daniel okay?

Or is he out in his backyard taking a sledgehammer to his PS4 all Office Space style?

 

[DeepEnigma]

damn, nice deal! Actually, this is the one I've been aiming for this year. Here in Brazil I'll probably have to pay at least the triple you paid and that's why PS VR is no longer a possibility this year lol

I do feel for all of you with the insane market prices in Brazil. Is there a large grey market on TV's, or are they not trustworthy enough?

Uh, probably because this is a PS4k thread, and so far your post only really applied to the PS4k in terms of console improvements impacting PC releases. Also, until the rumor mill starts regarding what Microsoft is actually doing, they could be not just behind, but way behind. That means games will still need to cater to the Xbone, which means PC multiplats remain unchanged.

Come on, don't do this. Clearly I mean consoles in general, and clearly this is not something that will happen overnight. However, consoles having incremental advances will help push more bells and whistles the PC will receive greater benefits from.

Also, even if both consoles end up affecting the quality of releases on PC, it's not like PC hardware is going to remain in a vacuum, without advancing in the meantime. PCs will always be held back regardless to some extent, but that's not really relevant.

Hardware may not remain in a vacuum, but it is well known the majority of the industry is led by the console sales when it comes to AAA. The faster consoles can advance the software bells and whistles, the faster and more 'oomph' the PC's will benefit from as well.

Source?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=200013038&postcount=8410

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

I understand what you are saying but it's a paradigm shift for console owners and it's going to take a lot of getting used to. Personally I think it's a bad move. People buy consoles knowing they are going to have a long time span. That's going to change if you know you're only going to get 3 years out of it before the manufacturer releases an update. That puts an entirely different perspective on the value proposition of owning a launch console. Let alone buying one a few years down the line knowing that an update is just around the corner. I think it will have a huge impact on sales for next gen machines from that manufacturer.

And? You don't have to buy a new phone every year, and neither do you need to buy a new console. I would love a future where I can decide when to jump into a console ecosystem such that I can choose whether or not I want 2017's version or 2018's. That's really cool to me and it's the way consumer electronics have worked for a long time. It's progress.

 

[mckmas8808]

If I looks at the landscape of competition and timing, I feel like this is the ideal timeline for Sony.

2013 :
- PS4

(3yr gap - mid gen cycle)

2016 :
- PS4K (new status quo of mid-gen new hardware)
- PSVR ( establishing new platform alongside competition in same year )


(3yr gap - end gen cycle)

2019 :
- PS5 ( new gen console, backward compatible with all PS4 features and software)
- PSVR2 ( new gen VR platform for PS5 & PC )


So a 6 year console cycle, with an upgrade path every 3 years. A 2019 generation upgrade also makes the PSVR iteration faster, and not have to lag behind competition too long as other companies are seemingly primed to do 2-3 year upgrade cycles.

This is perfect timing. And thanks guys for talking me off the console ledge. This may not be a bad idea.

 

[AmyS]

If I looks at the landscape of competition and timing, I feel like this is the ideal timeline for Sony.

2013 :
- PS4

(3yr gap - mid gen cycle)

2016 :
- PS4K (new status quo of mid-gen new hardware)
- PSVR ( establishing new platform alongside competition in same year )


(3yr gap - end gen cycle)

2019 :
- PS5 ( new gen console, backward compatible with all PS4 features and software)
- PSVR2 ( new gen VR platform for PS5 & PC )


So a 6 year console cycle, with an upgrade path every 3 years. A 2019 generation upgrade also makes the PSVR iteration faster, and not have to lag behind competition too long as other companies are seemingly primed to do 2-3 year upgrade cycles.

As a possible scenario, I would be completely okay with this.

 

[Hubble]

If I looks at the landscape of competition and timing, I feel like this is the ideal timeline for Sony.

2013 :
- PS4

(3yr gap - mid gen cycle)

2016 :
- PS4K (new status quo of mid-gen new hardware)
- PSVR ( establishing new platform alongside competition in same year )


(3yr gap - end gen cycle)

2019 :
- PS5 ( new gen console, backward compatible with all PS4 features and software)
- PSVR2 ( new gen VR platform for PS5 & PC )


So a 6 year console cycle, with an upgrade path every 3 years. A 2019 generation upgrade also makes the PSVR iteration faster, and not have to lag behind competition too long as other companies are seemingly primed to do 2-3 year upgrade cycles.

This looks solid and will help PSVR improve massively to update and continue to make improvements wirh future models.

 

[Theonik]

Once again. It would be pointless for Sony to release an updated PS4 without a significant bump in performance. Simply having a PS4 capable of UHD bluray playback would not be enough.

Based on what we know it's pretty clear the PS4K comes with some performance improvements of some kind. That is unless the rumours are wrong or Sony changes their mind...

As for Sony releasing updated consoles with added functionality but no improvements in performance it's not unprecedented and definitely Sony doesn't have to. The original PS3 Slim introduce BD Audio bitstreaming and HDMI CEC which were media features absent in the original PS3. The former allowed the PS3 Slim an advantage when playing 3D BDs since the PS3 would normally decode the audio stream and output 8CH LPCM audio which meant that there was not sufficient bandwidth to do both 3D and 8CH surround sound and so 3D BDs would always output in 6CH LPCM instead whereas the slim could send the original lossless stream which takes less bandwidth.

If Sony wanted they could have a PS4 slim with just UHD and UHD BD features, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[dose]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=200013038&postcount=8410

Using jeff_rigby posts as official source? Lol ok.

 

[Inuhanyou]

We had people balking at 4 year cycles and now we're talking about barely 3 year cycles...what the hell.

I don't think i'd bother investing in a stopgap of this nature, and i need Sony to confirm that every developer will be mandated to make their games for PS4 first and foremost with PS4K only for boosts to resolution or performance.

If they can promise that, it'll take some of the sting out of it.

If they can't do that, there will be an even bigger issue

 

[DavidDesu]

If I looks at the landscape of competition and timing, I feel like this is the ideal timeline for Sony.

2013 :
- PS4

[...SNIP...]


So a 6 year console cycle, with an upgrade path every 3 years. A 2019 generation upgrade also makes the PSVR iteration faster, and not have to lag behind competition too long as other companies are seemingly primed to do 2-3 year upgrade cycles.

Very well thought out. To me this seems logical and reasonable too. I can foresee a PSVR 2 coming out with PS5 and be made to last for that entire PS5/PS5.5 generation. Probably have a 4K screen, or maybe possibly even an 8K screen, but the PS5 will render at 4K in the meantime. Foveated rendering could make an 8K screen far more viable and it will future proof it for a good length of time too, and iterative consoles can take advantage of the full headset resolution later on. Heck even 4K with clever design and optics will deliver a very good VR experience for a decent stretch of time.

 

[Sidewinder]

They should call it the PS4 Mark II

 

[Kyoufu]

They should call it the PS4 Mark II

PS4 Mark Cerny II

 

[Sidewinder]

PS4 Mark Cerny II

Lol, perfect

 

[Aequitas]

If only Sony could throw in a cell processor so we can have that backwards compatibility.

Spoiler

;(

 

[Boke1879]

We had people balking at 4 year cycles and now we're talking about barely 3 year cycles...what the hell.

I don't think i'd bother investing in a stopgap of this nature, and i need Sony to confirm that every developer will be mandated to make their games for PS4 first and foremost with PS4K only for boosts to resolution or performance.

If they can promise that, it'll take some of the sting out of it.

If they can't do that, there will be an even bigger issue

Doubtful. The PS4 won't become an afterthought. Not with 60 million of them out there.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Using jeff_rigby posts as official source? Lol ok.

I never said 'official source'... but the technical facts are accurate.

We had people balking at 4 year cycles and now we're talking about barely 3 year cycles...what the hell.

I don't think i'd bother investing in a stopgap of this nature, and i need Sony to confirm that every developer will be mandated to make their games for PS4 first and foremost with PS4K only for boosts to resolution or performance.

If they can promise that, it'll take some of the sting out of it.

If they can't do that, there will be an even bigger issue

While yes, it will be nice for a 'mandate', but don't you think the market dictates that?

Doubtful. The PS4 won't become an afterthought. Not with 60 million of them out there.

And this.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

They should call it the PS4 Mark II

PS4 Krazy Ken Edition

If only Sony could throw in a cell processor so we can have that backwards compatibility.

Spoiler

;(

Why waste space on something that will not improve performance? The cell processor is too costly in space to be worth the trouble. That space could be used for performance increases.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

They should call it the PS4 Mark II

PSPHWOAR?

 

[karma2578]

PS 4KING HELL THAT WAS QUICK

 

[Keihart]

You are still getting more than 3 years out of a console.

I mean how can people still claiming the opposite?

since value is proporcional and i don't see exclusive games being made in less than 2 years, at most you'll have 1 run of exclusive games to show off the console before it's old news.

As someone who enjoys exclusive and indie games usually a lot more than your typical yearly third party releases, this only looks like more hoops to jump to play what i want wich in the ends means less invesment in the ecosystem.

I hate this mentallity of "we want all the money" intestead of "we want some money" that companies sooner or later seem to move towards.

 

[Inuhanyou]

While yes, it will be nice for a 'mandate', but don't you think the market dictates that?

I have no faith in the market. They'll eat up anti consumer shit all the time if its spoonfed. I see people accepting garbage already online, they don't even have a problem with a New 3DS situation of a catalogue split. And i saw the same with XB always online debacle as well.

I want assurances from this corporation i gave my money to that my purchase of a stable experience will not be invalidated in the same cycle. And for that to happen, i need 100% confirmation from their own spokespeople that they will require PS4 the allotted support time in the same manner it has had so far until the PS5. If i can willingly ignore this situation on the assumption that my experience as a PS4 owner doesn't change, i will

 

[CosmicQueso]

I want assurances from this corporation i gave my money to that my purchase of a stable experience will not be invalidated in the same cycle. And for that to happen, i need 100% confirmation from their own spokespeople that they will require PS4 the allotted support time in the same manner it has had so far.

You don't trust the market but you'd trust a big corporation.

 

[Keihart]

They should call it the PS4 Mark II

I would prefer PS4 001 Celestial Being.

 

[Negotiator]

That's a *very* liberal interpretation of what actually happened XD

Feel free to post your own interpretation of what happened.

The APU concept is not so new... in one sense, it's AMD's "Cell" with the addition of raster hardware.

Someone else could argue that it's even older than that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transputer

 

[MogCakes]

This is exactly what all 3 console makers want to do. So I guess some people will just have to quit console gaming and go PC... or go mobile... wait a minute!

This has been happening the past half decade and will continue to happen, and happen at a faster rate once this becomes the norm. If all 3 console makers are now doing shorter refreshes in similar vein to PCs - why wouldn't someone who's discerning with their investments go for PC instead?

 

[spatenfloot]

I would prefer PS4 001 Celestial Being.

The Soony PS 4x2: Electric Bugaloo

 

[Crimson_Gold]

I don't see what's so anti-consumer about this move. It is the logical progression of the market. You are going to be able to keep your games going forward. Previously we had to hold for backwards compatibility, now it'll be a given. No more resets. We get to enjoy technological advancements more regularly, like other CE industries. Devs will target the biggest market. That's what they tend to do for financial reasons. Why alienate 40+ million people? That doesn't make business sense.

The PS4K isn't inherently greedy. It's a product that will provide those that want better performance, with better performance. High end devices tend to follow this path. Multiple points of entry only brings more people in. The more people in the ecosystem, the more attention from devs. It's that simple

 

[mckmas8808]

PSVR is the likely culprit.

Sony, among other major companies, see VR as the next frontier of gaming.

Powerful consoles are needed to provide a worthwhile experience for consumers.

The OG PS4 is good enough for the PSVR. Why dont you guys understand this?

 

[DieH@rd]

PSVR is the likely culprit.

I don't think so. Every VR game demoed so far on PS4 runs great, and people who have tried PSVR are very satisfied.

 

[orochi91]

The OG PS4 is good enough for the PSVR. Why dont you guys understand this?

I don't think so. Every VR game demoed so far on PS4 runs great, and people who have tried PSVR are very satisfied.

VR games are going to get more complex, so having a more capable system out there will allow consumers the option of playing those games at a higher quality.

It's just a hunch though; PSVR is probably one of many factors as to why Sony thinks iterative consoles are a good idea going forward.

 

[Negotiator]

This has been happening the past half decade and will continue to happen, and happen at a faster rate once this becomes the norm. If all 3 console makers are now doing shorter refreshes in similar vein to PCs - why wouldn't someone who's discerning with their investments go for PC instead?

For the same reason someone prefers iOS over Android.

Less devices, less fragmentation, long-term support (nVidia is notorious for abandoning their older GPUs, while Sony is known for supporting their home consoles for a long time), more optimization/better SDK tools.

 

[Boke1879]

The OG PS4 is good enough for the PSVR. Why dont you guys understand this?

Right now the OG PS4 is good for these VR games. But I think again Sony is thinking of the future and keeping up. PSVR has to compete with the PC VR space. Those games will only get better going forward. So Sony introduces a model let's say early next year that would help provide the proper power for those games.

Better to be thinking about it now than be reactionary and start doing things too late. But I also think VR is just one factor in all this. Clearly 4k is and also the extra power to show off in games.

 

[RoboPlato]

Right now the OG PS4 is good for these VR games. But I think again Sony is thinking of the future and keeping up. PSVR has to compete with the PC VR space. Those games will only get better going forward. So Sony introduces a model let's say early next year that would help provide the proper power for those games.

Better to be thinking about it now than be reactionary and start doing things too late. But I also think VR is just one factor in all this. Clearly 4k is and also the extra power to show off in games.

I'm expecting the VR differences to be somehing like added downsampling and maybe 90fps instead of 60. It'll still work just fine on the PS4, just not at as high of a level.

 

[Corto]

Simple - most of them don't.
Outside of 1 chosen spec, PC SKUs pass the responsibility for tailoring/tuning/optimization of the experience to other hardware-configurations pretty much entirely to the users. It's not that the cost isn't there - users just take it upon themselves to do it - and the core userbase pretty much demands it.

There are a select few titles that actually do optimize and tune for a wide-range of hardware(mostly because it directly benefits their business model) - and those spend considerably more on that than a typical retail title spends optimizing/tuning for 3-5 hw-platforms it ships on.

A great majority of PC games auto-detect the hardware configuration they are running on and auto-adjust their settings to optimal performance/IQ. Of course they also let the user fine tune those settings.

 

[etta]

https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/4d7zr5/amd_q4_2015_earnings_call_suggests_new_hardware/

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[NotTheGuyYouKill]

If I can trade in my current PS4 towards the PS4K and combine VR with it next year and receive a good enough credit, I'm down for this.

 

[Inuhanyou]

You don't trust the market but you'd trust a big corporation.

What is your argument? I'm saying i want Sony to address concerns about support of the PS4 after the PS4K's launch. Do you disagree that they should address concerns about support for the PS4 after the PS4K's launch?