Naw, it's cool if people aren't onboard. Hell, I don't even know if I'm onboard. The only thing that is appealing is 4k media playback, but I don't have a 4k TV and don't really want one. I'm happy with my Zach Snyder movies in 1080p.
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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Naw, it's cool if people aren't onboard. Hell, I don't even know if I'm onboard. The only thing that is appealing is 4k media playback, but I don't have a 4k TV and don't really want one. I'm happy with my Zach Snyder movies in 1080p.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Questioning goes very much both ways in this thread. PC master race evangelizing on the other hand has been going on for so long, that some poster even earned a Jehova witness-like quote to their name for how notorious he was. But he certainly was/is not the only one who comes across that way.
wapplew
Member
This solve the problem of unsustainable AAA development cost.
It will extend PS4 life to 8, 10 maybe 15 years or more as long as costumer ok with bell and whistle.
Dev no longer need to make games for PS5 at 2018 or PS6 in 2023, they just stay making PS4 games, keep the development cost about the same maybe add small cost for additional QA test.
Smaller dev could just make PS4 games, and publish on all the PS4s without making it look better. Like mobile games, it doesn't have to look or run better on newer hardware.
It will extend PS4 life to 8, 10 maybe 15 years or more as long as costumer ok with bell and whistle.
Dev no longer need to make games for PS5 at 2018 or PS6 in 2023, they just stay making PS4 games, keep the development cost about the same maybe add small cost for additional QA test.
Smaller dev could just make PS4 games, and publish on all the PS4s without making it look better. Like mobile games, it doesn't have to look or run better on newer hardware.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Likewise. I have a powerful PC and sometimes it great to game on, but comfy couch just doesnt work for me. There is always something i need to fiddle with, I need to fix.
As the only reason I built a PC was to play action heavy games at 60fps, this is perfect for me too.
CitizenCope
Member
Yeah this is me. I don't think I could ever go PC. Wasn't easy as I am a bit of graphics whore.
I'm ready Sony!
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I can't wrap my head around it being more powerful and smaller personally. I mean the PS4 is already a slim. Unless its a superslim in build quailty, I cant see how thats gonna work.
ArgentPixel
Banned
I would think which ever platform provides the entertainment and games the consumer wants to play would provide the best experience and value. Why would a PS4 2.0 make it all of sudden less so even though their current PS4 1.0 plays the same games and provides the same functionality?
If staying up to date is of such importance, to the point of expressing such vitriol seen in this thread and else where (Reddit, Twitter, etc.), the consumer needs to realize this is a consumer electronics device. It loses nearly half it's value by just opening it.
An emotional attachment to a consumer electronic or brand sounds sad and depressing. How do these people react for example when a new MacBook, iPhone, or new car model is announced? It sounds like they need something else in their life to care about or distract them, maybe a kid, a partner they love, maybe even a pet to care for, a vacation perhaps?
Yeah, sounds plausible. By PlayStation Experience in December, the PS4 will have been on the market 3 full years and entered its 4th year. The PS4K wouldn't need a long reveal and development period like PlayStation Morpeus / PSVR did.
An early-mid March launch would give time for people to recover from holiday spending.
That's the people saying 'I'm alright with this, I just won't buy in personally, I'm fine with my system'. On the other hand, pretty much anyone who has said 'this will push me to PC' has been barraged with demands about why they would do that. I'm basically trying to push the point that they may have already been eyeing PC and iterations have erased a perceived pro on the console side.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I'm kidding. Most of the PC-centric GAFfers are staying out of this thread, probably for good reason. I just keep seeing the narrative being driven that anyone who is considering going to PC is spouting a load of shit, and that to me comes across as completely dismissive and condescending.
Those who are primarily concerned with the living room space would choose a console, yes. There are plenty others who will compare the two platforms on their other merits when iterations become a thing.
The latter half of your post is essentially corroborating mine. I don't think for a second they'd just chuck their PS4 out the window in dramatic fashion. My point is simply they will make the choice about which platform they want to continue with primarily and that decision is one of investment value. They are markedly different from those who have an emotional investment in Playstation/Xbox/Nintendo. For those gamers who have had an emotional investment in their consoles and a strong belief about what a console should or shouldn't be, with their images of these brands disillusioned, they're probably more willing to take a hard look at PC and what it offers than they were before. Exclusives are absolutely a reason for staying on consoles if they're diehard fans of them. I'm a huge Square Enix fan, no way I wouldn't buy a console for a new FF or KH title. But I'm in a niche of a niche.
ZehDon
Member
This is the worst possible way to launch the PS4K. Sony needs to keep people informed well in advance, not deliberately hold information back to make an extra buck on the poor folks who buy in on the old hardware.
Absolutely not. Everybody's done shopping at that point and that'd infuriate people who just bought a console for Christmas. It will launch in the Fall while the PS4 SHOULD (but might not) drop in price.
I don't think it will be a huge launch...just to drive up demand. You give consumers options.
Neogaf would have to change from Believe to Rumormill, or Skeptical
family_guy
Member
Also there's the nongaming services. On a PS4 you can jump from playing a game, to watching Netflix, to YouTube, to PSVue, to a Bluray movie, and back to playing a game, within seconds. This can't be replicated by PC. For someone who's even considering jumping to PC because of this news when they've been console gaming exclusively for years, you're going to be in for a rude awakening. It won't be a seamless transition. I have both and each serves a different purpose.
When I want to switch programs on my laptop I just....alt+tab. It isn't rocket science, heh. Most people are pretty well acquainted with using a computer. I don't think the transition would be particularly hard either: turn on console, launch game after boot up. Turn on computer, launch game after boot up.
SmiteOfHand
Member
You're right, "Fuck this! I am going to PC!" is a well considered line of reasoning worthy of respectful discourse. GAF is world-renowned for its patience when facing the new, taking it in for introspection, and acting wisely, free of emotion.
I'll make sure to be less dismissive and condescending going forward.
Yea if this thing launches this year they are definitely not going to flood the channels with it. The OG PS4 will be selling extremely well. This is something they'll take preorders for and then send out "limited" stock to retailers. Just enough to fill demand.
BumbleBee Castle
Member
I'm a fan of the iterative console.
My 4K TV is ready for this thing, Day 1 Sony, just tell me when.
My 4K TV is ready for this thing, Day 1 Sony, just tell me when.
It's almost as if all this information is coming via leaks and not officially from Sony.
Whether or not its wishful thinking, Sony owes it to their customers who have invested in their platform an explanation and assurances now that they have taken it upon themselves to destroy the foregone conclusion of generational support.
Saying they don't owe the consumers and the members of their ecosystem anything is a very dangerous slippery slope that i hope people who are keen to this idea don't take too far.
edit: I should add that the above is just my opinion after all
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
No matter what you do, it will require a lot of additional testing, no small dev will be delighted about this.
"You're just spouting nonsense and are full of shit" is surely a respectful response to that statement. Someone states they'd prefer to go PC if iterations happen = full sanction to belittle and discredit them. Indeed, GAF is acknowledged for its patient and thoughtful posters whom seek to understand and discuss, open to all points of view.
Well that is what we are discussing. I want Sony to make it clear that nothing will change in regards to the PS4's development priority, and PS4K will only take advantage of the additional processing power of those games for enhanced res/framerates via patching. Even that would require more investment and testing for both platforms, as they won't be 100% compatible regardless of the situation
But we apparently already know that there are games for the PS4K as launch titles that are designed for the PS4K specifically, and the state of those games on the original PS4 is unknown. Which is also putting the whole "obviously PS4 will not change development priority wise" argument up in the air
David Ricardo
Member
Yes, you can. But those people that just spent 500$ to have better graphics than with a PS4 will probably prefer to buy other games that do use the PS4k extra power. Also, those who buy PS4k will probably be the same people that spend a lot in games, so it will probably have a higher tie ratio than the PS4.
wapplew
Member
I think 90% of the game will remain the same, they make PS4 version and done with it, only handful of game mostly first party will make enhancement for PS4K.
Just like 90% of mobile games look and run the same.
I'm not worry about OG PS4 experience, I'm more worry about PS4K get under utilize.
I was certainly interested in getting a PS4 this year especially now that games like Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted 4 are coming out but it seem likes the PS4K becoming a reality seems to become more plausible by the day.
I still think its pretty strange that sony would be willing to produce something like this so early into the PS4's life, despite having no real need too.The 4K blu ray drive upgrade to compete with 4K blu ray drives does indeed make a lot of sense but exclusive games and an upgraded GPU seems pretty far-fetched but we will see.
I still think its pretty strange that sony would be willing to produce something like this so early into the PS4's life, despite having no real need too.The 4K blu ray drive upgrade to compete with 4K blu ray drives does indeed make a lot of sense but exclusive games and an upgraded GPU seems pretty far-fetched but we will see.
...why is it silly? Slim revisions are, for the most part, external only changes to aesthetic and things like power draw and such.
There are those of us who have a problem with enhanced hardware because on the consumer side, it splits the userbase and alienates a portion of those owners who had bought into the 'inferior' version.
And on the developer side, puts pressure on developers deal with two versions of the same title with priority having to be given.
They can barely work on one SKU for every platform as it is right now, and this won't help. I really hope you don't find all of that silly, these are real concerns.
killatopak
Member
If this is true I'm selling my ps4 as soon as this gets announced officially. Got nothing to play on it for a while anyway. Wanted to play FFXV but if this could fix the IQ then I really hope this is true.
biglittleps
Member
Three years is not small and its half way to the generation. They have a need which is to provide better experience in PS VR for enthusiasts compared to PC VR and allow even better resolution/fps to compete with PC due to increasing demand from hardcore players these days. Where did you see they are making exclusive games for PS4k ? All games will be released on PS4 and PS4k versions (future games and some limited already released games only via patch) are just enhanced to make use of its hardware power. Also there is a big price difference between PS4 and PS4k, so many are talking like this is replacing regular PS4 model at same price.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
It does not split the user base because both versions will be fully supported.
biglittleps
Member
It does not split the user base as both PS4 and PS4k versions are same (just like PS4 and XB1 difference) except for resolutions and fps (this will not in multiplayer games to avoid advantages because of fps, so both versions will be either 60 or 30). Does PC split the user base because graphic cards have different horse power ?
Strange to see so diverse opinions on this one. Yeah it's kind of a new concept for consoles, but with the "PC" architecture they moved into this generation - not a great shocker. It's almost three years since launch and will be four at the time this thing gets out.
I'm sure it's handled well and buying it day one will not be a necessity. People don't get angry every time Nvidia releases a new video card do they? Or when smartphone manufacturers release a new flagship phone / tablet every year? It doesn''t "split" the user base.
I think it's a good thing. Would like to see it as a thing where there are no huge new console releases where everything from top the bottom gets reinvented. Same basic idea of hardware, same accessories, same ui, same games, same user profiles. Just a upgraded hardware revision something like every 3-4 years. Kind of like android devices but with a longer cycle.
I'm sure it's handled well and buying it day one will not be a necessity. People don't get angry every time Nvidia releases a new video card do they? Or when smartphone manufacturers release a new flagship phone / tablet every year? It doesn''t "split" the user base.
I think it's a good thing. Would like to see it as a thing where there are no huge new console releases where everything from top the bottom gets reinvented. Same basic idea of hardware, same accessories, same ui, same games, same user profiles. Just a upgraded hardware revision something like every 3-4 years. Kind of like android devices but with a longer cycle.
GHG
Member
You'd think he would have already figured that out after it being discussed for so many pages but alas... He's choosing to ignore the facts and uses it as a counter argument anyway due to his fear of feeling "alienated" with an inferior console if he doesn't upgrade.
travisbickle
Member
Yeah, all games will come out on both. And the PS4K could be up to $200 more expensive, so I think the OG model will be most popular with the general public.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
If they had been up front about it in the very first reveal and said there would be a newer, faster version mid gen I probably would have been OK with it and shifted my upgrade cycle to the mid gen upgraded versions.
I am mad because they clearly had this planned from the start and while I understand that saying a newer, faster version would come would kill sales before they've even begun I don't think its fair to people who chose console gaming to get away from the PC constant upgrades.
I also don't think its fair to belittle people who bought a console on the assumption that the PS4 would last at least 6 years.
My assumption also is that the discs will be the same as OG PS4 discs, with something like "enhanced with PS4K support" on the box, so they sell them in that manner. So space in the stores isn't an issue.
I'm curious as to why your worried about PS4K being underutilized? With the extra power on hand, they should in theory run every game at 1440p with smoother framerates atleast.
And...have you not been listening to me? My entire point is that Sony needs to make sure that they will be supported. You can't just say "they will both be fully supported" with no proof whatsoever on your side.
I dont know anything about the PC ecosystem, but i do know that your going to have to provide proof of "the versions are the same" before we know anything about what third parties are allowed to do and what Sony is doing in general
BumbleBee Castle
Member
The PC has a near infinite combination of performance specs between users and that environment seems healthy and viable, yet adding a second albeit upgraded spec to a closed platform is somehow going to destroy the PS ecosystem?
We went from near infinite open platform --> 2 relatively close on a closed platform, and this spells doom and gloom for Sony? Huh? There simply no logic to any of these concerns.
We went from near infinite open platform --> 2 relatively close on a closed platform, and this spells doom and gloom for Sony? Huh? There simply no logic to any of these concerns.
SwordStruck
Member
You could use the same argument that devs will want to target a system that's sold ~40 million to reach a bigger audience than reach a 'new' customer base. Point is I don't see two PS4's with very different specs coexisting without one group feeling left out (Those wanting maximum graphics + performance out of the new machine and those wanting great looking games with playable performance on the current system, and that's not a position I don't think Sony would want to position itself in. But we know so little about this whole thing I'm not sure, I just don't think I like what I've heard so far.
travisbickle
Member
The PS4 will easily last 6 years. There'll be ~50 million sold by the end of this year, and it hasn't even hit mass-market price yet. The console will sell by the bucketload when it hits $199, and because of this publishers will support it.
wapplew
Member
Because that happen on mobile all the time. All devices play same game, no enhancement.
Also a lot of games have yet achieve normal PS4 level, mainly Japanese and indie titles. Those games will be very likely to stay the same on PS4K.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Why would SE not support PS4K? They are working pretty closely with Sony these days. Improved performance on console could help them reach that 10 million sold goal. I expect FFVII Remake to really take advantage of the PS4K though.
GHG
Member
This is not always true. The better games (typically made by better developers) will make it so that the game detects what device you are using so that the game configures itself accordingly upon startup and gives you the relevant enhancements.
I like the people who are saying that Sony planned this from the beginning
Or
It was clear from the start
Or
The writing was on the wall
My question is ... Where's the proof?
How would you know?
When did they hint anything about this?
This is just like the whole new SKU number rumors that to this day have been proven 100% false where people made wild claims expecting a massive upgrade... Never happened.
Why keep making wild claims only to be time and time again proven wrong? Have people not learned from the first few times and now claim this even without a solid shred of evidence? Got 1 rumor from some 'leak' around the time of April first at the same time the nx controller debacle was going on.
The news about the nx controller had spread through like wildfire for it to all be an elaborate prank.
So 1 rumor caught on and started spreading through the internet creating more and more to add to it. It's like the whole console launch rumors where people would say from reliable sources the xbo was like the second coming of Christ..... And now it sits in the corner under a maintain of dust.
Or
It was clear from the start
Or
The writing was on the wall
My question is ... Where's the proof?
How would you know?
When did they hint anything about this?
This is just like the whole new SKU number rumors that to this day have been proven 100% false where people made wild claims expecting a massive upgrade... Never happened.
Why keep making wild claims only to be time and time again proven wrong? Have people not learned from the first few times and now claim this even without a solid shred of evidence? Got 1 rumor from some 'leak' around the time of April first at the same time the nx controller debacle was going on.
The news about the nx controller had spread through like wildfire for it to all be an elaborate prank.
So 1 rumor caught on and started spreading through the internet creating more and more to add to it. It's like the whole console launch rumors where people would say from reliable sources the xbo was like the second coming of Christ..... And now it sits in the corner under a maintain of dust.
I have concerns. That's it. I will argue against faulty arguments like consoles being PC's or phones with the same type of userbase the same way i did before this thing was leaked, and i don't see what is controversial about that.
My only viewpoint in this entire thread, has been that Sony needs to fully come out in support of PS4, and makes sure that people fully understand that the PS4's position as a platform of investment doesn't change when they reveal this new thing.
I don't understand what your saying when you say i'm ignoring 'facts'. As nothing in this thread is fact and is based only on unofficial sources and speculation. There have been no facts presented anywhere, and we need official news before that can be changed.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
If you believe this all bullshit why are you still here? Why spend more time in this topic just about any else if it is just a dumb rumor?