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[User 479360]

Yay, another Marvel movie.

The reason I came in here, though, was to ask this:

Why is it called Captain America: Civil War, when Iron Man and whomever else also play big roles? I thought I heard the comics were just called Marvel Civil War?

 

[Magwik]

Yay, another Marvel movie.

The reason I came in here, though, was to ask this:

Why is it called Captain America: Civil War, when Iron Man and whomever else also play big roles? I thought I heard the comics were just called Marvel Civil War?

Because the film is still centered around Captain America and his beliefs.

 

[richiek]

Yay, another Marvel movie.

The reason I came in here, though, was to ask this:

Why is it called Captain America: Civil War, when Iron Man and whomever else also play big roles? I thought I heard the comics were just called Marvel Civil War?

If you look at the trailers, the majority of the footage focuses on Cap dealing with Bucky and the fallout of the events of Winter Soldier. This is where the film deviates from the comic version.

 

[User 479360]

Because the film is still centered around Captain America and his beliefs.

If you look at the trailers, the majority of the footage focuses on Cap dealing with Bucky and the fallout of the events of Winter Soldier. This is where the film deviates from the comic version.

Okay

I forgot it existed until I saw a TV spot during the Jays' game, and the TV spot showed a lot of Tony Stark.

 

[tomtom94]

Okay

I forgot it existed until I saw a TV spot during the Jays' game, and the TV spot showed a lot of Tony Stark.

Originally Tony Stark's role was more minor, but Robert Downey Jr. asked for it to be expanded, so it was. (This is what led to the separation of Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment)

 

[Kin5290]

I guess you're right. WB is Nolan after all in this context.

It'll be interesting to see what Wonder Woman looks like.

Judging from promo pics there'll be a very shitty blue-green filter layered over everything.

 

[SwolBro]

not a single shred of excitement came my way from seeing this. i'm over the superhero genre.

let it die already.

 

[Deleted member 10571]

not a single shred of excitement came my way from seeing this. i'm over the superhero genre.

let it die already.

SwolBro is over the superhero genre, please stop all filming.



Seriously, I don't even. Why even posting if you're not interested, just to troll the thread?

 

[ryutaro's mama]

SwolBro is over the superhero genre, please stop all filming.

Seriously, I don't even. Why even posting if you're not interested, just to troll the thread?

Cause he needed to tell us all that the superhero genre is over and should die...cause, you know, we plebs need enlightenment.

 

[neorej]

not a single shred of excitement came my way from seeing this. i'm over the superhero genre.

let it die already.

LOL, superhero genre.

 

[Chariot]

not a single shred of excitement came my way from seeing this. i'm over the superhero genre.

let it die already.

Calm down, Alan Moore.

 

[Apt101]

Black Panther, at least from the trailers, is looking to be the most bad ass hero in the entirety of the Marvel CU. I need this as palate cleanser following BvS.

 

[User 479360]

not a single shred of excitement came my way from seeing this. i'm over the superhero genre.

let it die already.

It would be nice if they'd stop flooding movie theatres with superhero movies. I agree. It's getting annoying.

Marvel is turning into Activision as it was when it flooded the market with Guitar Hero games.

 

[AdventureRacing]

It would be nice if they'd stop flooding movie theatres with superhero movies. I agree. It's getting annoying.

Marvel is turning into Activision as it was when it flooded the market with Guitar Hero games.

This is nonsense. The GH games had so little actually differentiating them and were also tied to an overpriced accessory.

The superhero movies being released have far more variety. GOTG, dead pool, BvS, X-men, avengers, the winter soldier, ant man etc are all vastly different movies. Comparing what is happening with superhero movies to what happened with GH is laughable.

 

[neojubei]

not a single shred of excitement came my way from seeing this. i'm over the superhero genre.

let it die already.

So don't see it. I hate people who think the world revolves around them.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

5 movies in a year hardly seems like a flood, specially when they're all reasonably spaced out between each other.

 

[Chariot]

5 movies in a year hardly seems like a flood, specially when they're all reasonably spaced out between each other.

Plus, you don't need to seem them all. Pick the heroes you like and watch their movies and maybe the big crossover movies where they appear. Easy as pie.

 

[BKSmash]

Out of curiosity.. What movies are Bucky featured in up until now?

 

[iFirez]

Out of curiosity.. What movies are Bucky featured in up until now?

Just the first Captain America (First Avenger) and Winter Solider (which is his main film as an antagonist). I like that he's going to be transitioning into a protagonist in Civil War... although he'll obviously still be an antagonist to Team Iron Man.

 

[neorej]

Out of curiosity.. What movies are Bucky featured in up until now?

Captain America First Avenger
Captain America Winter Soldier
Ant-Man (post credits stinger)

 

[Chariot]

Just the first Captain America (First Avenger) and Winter Solider (which is his main film as an antagonist). I like that he's going to be transitioning into a protagonist in Civil War... although he'll obviously still be an antagonist to Team Iron Man.

Technically Antman too

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Out of curiosity.. What movies are Bucky featured in up until now?

All the Cap movies and a small cameo in Ant-Mang

 

[iFirez]

Technically Antman too

Very true - that post-credits goodness. I still feel that it felt more like a scene ripped right out of Civil War but it'l be interesting to see if that set up

Spoiler

Bucky with his arm in a clamp

happens in the final cut of Civil War.

 

[tomtom94]

Very true - that post-credits goodness. I still feel that it felt more like a scene ripped right out of Civil War

That's partly because it was, although I doubt it will make it into the finished Civil War movie, not untouched at least.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

This is nonsense. The GH games had so little actually differentiating them and were also tied to an overpriced accessory.

The superhero movies being released have far more variety. GOTG, dead pool, BvS, X-men, avengers, the winter soldier, ant man etc are all vastly different movies. Comparing what is happening with superhero movies to what happened with GH is laughable.

I was going to respond to that comment, but you did so far more clearly than I could have. Bravo, good sir.

 

[Eidan]

Concerns over movies you don't plan on watching being made seems pretty idiotic. I don't like Ice Age movies. I don't watch them. They can make as many of them as they wish, what does it matter to me?

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

It's almost as bad as people who say that dissatisfaction with BVS signals a general downturn for supehero movies.

 

[Blade30]

Why is it called Captain America: Civil War, when Iron Man and whomever else also play big roles? I thought I heard the comics were just called Marvel Civil War?

To everyone, you shouldn't expect (but maybe hope) that all the characters would get a lot of screentime, it's mostly about Cap, Bucky and Iron Man.

 

[duckroll]

1. Daytime scenes - Anything looks great shot at night time especially explosions. But Marvel films tend to shoot the majority of their fight scenes during day time, likely because they are aware that it's easier to follow action scenes in broad daylight (especially for children) and even more likely, to keep the actors happy by limiting their night scenes. With the amount of actors they have to juggle, the last thing they want is the actors being unhappy and start sulking and getting pissy due to long/crazy working hours.

This is an odd way to phrase it. How do daytime scenes make something look like a TV show? Cinematography is not dependent on the time of day. Skyfall mostly takes place in daylight, and Roger Deakins shot the hell out of it. If anything, the scenes that take place in cover of darkness just make it easier to mask poor or pedestrian cinematography. It doesn't mean the night scenes look great, it just means we cantseeshit and care less about trying to figure out how cheap it really looks!

 

[Can Crusher]

Ant Man and Avengers looked like TV movies. This doesn't, AoU didn't, GotG, Winter Soldier and Thor 2 didn't either.

 

[richiek]

Very true - that post-credits goodness. I still feel that it felt more like a scene ripped right out of Civil War but it'l be interesting to see if that set up

Spoiler

Bucky with his arm in a clamp

happens in the final cut of Civil War.

That scene is in the first CW trailer so, yeah, it's gonna be in the final film. Also, the Russos directed the Ant-Man post credit scene.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

5 movies in a year hardly seems like a flood, specially when they're all reasonably spaced out between each other.

Some people like to compare super hero films to westerns and say the market is being flooded with hero films but the truth is completely the opposite.

Westerns released in a year at height of peak: 33
Westerns released at low end of peak: 13
Most super hero movies released at peak: 6

Quite the difference but according to some you would think super hero movies were the only thing being released throughout the year.

 

[tomtom94]

Even as a fan of superhero films, there's a lot this year. You've got two movies each from Fox, Warner/DC and Marvel. It doesn't help that Marvel want to start releasing three a year from 2017 onward, combined with the planned expansion of the DCU and all of Fox's X-Men spin-offs.

That said, I'm not sure how it compares to the early 2000s, it got pretty bad (and studios got pretty desperate. Why did we get a Ghost Rider film again?)

 

[More_Badass]

Even as a fan of superhero films, there's a lot this year. You've got two movies each from Fox, Warner/DC and Marvel. It doesn't help that Marvel want to start releasing three a year from 2017 onward, combined with the planned expansion of the DCU and all of Fox's X-Men spin-offs.

That said, I'm not sure how it compares to the early 2000s, it got pretty bad (and studios got pretty desperate. Why did we get a Ghost Rider film again?)

That's nothing. 6-7 superhero movies in a year? That's a miniscule action subgenre, dwarfed by most other genres in terms of volume. It only seems like so much more because of the endless media coverage and marketing

 

[Sibersk Esto]

That's nothing. 6-7 superhero movies in a year? That's a miniscule action subgenre, dwarfed by most other genres in terms of volume. It only seems like so much more because of the endless media coverage and marketing

That's the real secret to their success. No other genre in Hollywood can touch the kind of marketing they can.

 

[duckroll]

Ant Man and Avengers looked like TV movies. This doesn't, AoU didn't, GotG, Winter Soldier and Thor 2 didn't either.

They all have completely underwhemling cinematography...

 

[Bold One]

They all have completely underwhemling cinematography...

Thor 2 and GOTG and parts of Winter Soldier were pretty solid framing wise.....

 

[DeathyBoy]

They all have completely underwhemling cinematography...

It blows my mind that Avengers and Atonement share the same cinematographer. No wonder that guy never went back to Marvel.

 

[Blader]

I thought Thor 2 looked awful. Had the ugliest, most obvious looking green screen of any Marvel movie.

It's funny to see how drastically different the first Iron Man movies + TIH are lit compared to everything that came after. It's like Marvel didn't decide until Thor that they were going to settle on a universal, flatly lit look (AoU looked notably better than anything since though).

 

[Neoxon]

I thought Thor 2 looked awful. Had the ugliest, most obvious looking green screen of any Marvel movie.

It's funny to see how drastically different the first Iron Man movies + TIH are lit compared to everything that came after. It's like Marvel didn't decide until Thor that they were going to settle on a universal, flatly lit look (AoU looked notably better than anything since though).

Didn't the cinematographer from Guardians do AoU?

 

[Famassu]

It would be nice if they'd stop flooding movie theatres with superhero movies. I agree. It's getting annoying.

Marvel is turning into Activision as it was when it flooded the market with Guitar Hero games.

2-3 movies per year isn't "flooding"

 

[richiek]

Didn't the cinematographer from Guardians do AoU?

Yes, and he shot Doctor Strange as well.

I do have to say, I'm not a fan of the desaturated look of AoU after the vivid colors of GOTG.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Didn't the cinematographer from Guardians do AoU?

Yep.

Layer Cake
Stardust
Kick-Ass
Seven Psychopaths
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Doctor Strange

I'm worried about the Doctor Strange cinematography tbh.

 

[Son Of D]

It would be nice if they'd stop flooding movie theatres with superhero movies. I agree. It's getting annoying.

Marvel is turning into Activision as it was when it flooded the market with Guitar Hero games.

There are 5 superhero movies this year. 6 if you include TMNT. If you think 6 out of the 100s of movies released each year is a flood.... Well everyone else has already said how stupid that is.

 

[Replicant]

This is an odd way to phrase it. How do daytime scenes make something look like a TV show? Cinematography is not dependent on the time of day. Skyfall mostly takes place in daylight, and Roger Deakins shot the hell out of it. If anything, the scenes that take place in cover of darkness just make it easier to mask poor or pedestrian cinematography. It doesn't mean the night scenes look great, it just means we cantseeshit and care less about trying to figure out how cheap it really looks!

On the contrary, IME, cinematography is dependent on that perfect time of the day for your particular scene. Sometimes you only have that perfect 15min before all of your lighting adjustment gone haywire because the natural light has shift to a different direction. You can prep for hours and then only shoot a 10 min sequence.

Skyfall has a lot of lens filter applied all over it especially during the London scenes. I am actually not fond of their day scenes. Too much of grey tint for reasons that is unfathomable.

Shooting Daytime can make sceneries look flat without proper light adjustment. Also, if your original set is a closed area covered with green screens, which Marvel films tend to do, shooting daytime makes it even harder as you have to compensate against the natural light while still light up the darker area of the set. Too much light and you'll get the soap opera effect. Whereas shooting night time is easier because you can focus all of your light sources coming from specific direction. Perfect for special FX and creating shadows/lights effects.

 

[inky]

The only people who think there's a surplus of superhero movies are the kind of people that probably don't go see anything else at the theaters anyway. Marvel has released 12 movies in 8 years.

Think about how many movies are released in that amount of time and how many movies you could go see instead. It's not Marvels's or Fox's or WB's problem that all you want to eat is fast food with so many good restaurant options out there.

 

[neorej]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_in_film

Seriously, there's 6 movies with superheroes / villains this year;
- Deadpool
- Batman v Superman
- Civil War
- Dr Strange
- X-Men Apocalypse
- Suicide Squad

Out of a total listing of 140 movies. A whopping 4%.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

'But guys, I don't like Superhero movies and... and... Steven Spielberg and Westerns and...'

Can we stop soothsaying the death of superhero films until something major bombs. Even this bombing wouldn't end superhero films indefinitely.

 

[Famassu]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_in_film

Seriously, there's 6 movies with superheroes / villains this year;
- Deadpool
- Batman v Superman
- Civil War
- Dr Strange
- X-Men Apocalypse
- Suicide Squad

Out of a total listing of 140 movies. A whopping 4%.

Yeah, and out of those 6 only 4 are Marvel properties and only 2 are actually from Marvel/Disney themselves, so accusing Disney/Marvel of becoming like Activision & flooding the market with endless superhero movies is a bit dumb. The number of superhero movies really hasn't grown all that substantially (if at all) from decades past, the movies just are generally of higher quality than the Daredevils & Batman Forevers of the past and as such are more popular and as such get more exposure. I agree with the poster above that if someone sees there being a problematic number of superhero movies, then they themselves are probably the biggest problem, not the studios making these movies. I mean, NeoGAF has that monthly "what are you seeing this month" movie thread that has, what, 10-15 movie recommendations that are pretty much never superhero movies. Plenty of stuff to see without ever setting one's sight on a superhero movie.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

When the trailers were rolling for BvS there was a Cap trailer and X-men Apocalypse and it made me feel weird that we're getting 3 movies with superheros turning on superheros in such a short space of time.