Dark Souls III Review Thread

RevenWolf said:
Well we have to disagree on the enemies not fitting the design of he combat, though I find that perplexing when in ds1 you can side strafe tones of enemies without rolling to get free backstage instead of at least working for it a bit.

The last point was because it's ridiculous to grant ds1 the whole "rushed" argument when ds2 was literally restarted and its assets repurposed completely from their original design, that's leagues of a bigger setback than being rushed. My point being that acknowledging the first but not the second shows bias and is unfair.

In terms of the whole package once again it depends on what you value more, I value consistency. Ds1 has some of the best bosses, but it has two of the worst bosses in the entire series for example.

Ds2 doesn't reach the same highs as often, but it doesn't come close to the same lows for me. Again the whole package is super subjective based on what you prefer.

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Regarding your first point, It's what the original system allowed. Excessive tracking is one of DkS2s biggest design flaws I think. If they wanted to solve something they precieved to be a problem in the previous game they should've done so better and without compromising the fairness of the game. If they couldn't do this satisfactory they should've left it alone.

I think you don't understand what I criticize about DkS2. Even with how the development went with DkS2 the core should've already been finished since DkS1 existed. I can and I do give a pass to how the environment is presented and so on in many regards but that's such a small piece of it all, they had so much for free.


Muntu said:
Wish people would just ignore Emedan tbh
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I agree, this is not on topic at all. It's better fitted for another thread. My bad, sorry y'all. DkS2 has soured me for life.
 
I have three days off work, that Tuesday to Thursday.

I've got the digital awesome-sauce edition pre-ordered.

One week left.

Then I'm ready to plow.
 
Emedan said:
Regarding your first point, It's what the original system allowed. Excessive tracking is one of DkS2s biggest design flaws I think. If they wanted to solve something they precieved to be a problem in the previous game they should've done so better and without compromising the fairness of the game. If they couldn't do this satisfactory they should've left it alone.

I think you don't understand what I criticize about DkS2. Even with how the development went with DkS2 the core should've already been finished since DkS1 existed. I can and I do give a pass to how the environment is presented and so on in many regards but that's such a small piece of it all, they had so much for free.




I agree, this is not on topic at all. It's better fitted for another thread.
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Agreed, we will discuss it some other time in the future, until then have a nice day, and I hope you enjoy ds3! :)
 
Cloud Strife said:
Why does anyone have to cater to you? The guy beings up literally everything that has been discussed in this thread regarding irks with the game, objective and non.

If you don't want to watch it, that's fine. But don't go around claiming people have no idea what they're talking about when they critique the game when videos like this exist.
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The video is pretty bad though, (and yet people keep posting that link in every DS2 thread).

He made some valid points at times but he also wanted to trash the game and it clearly shows at times: like when he is talking about the story, he analyzes what he found fascinating in the lore and the story of the first game an then immediately dismisses the story of DS2 saying something like "in comparison, in DSII you have to fight the queen because reasons". He doesn't try to comprehend why the changes on the formula, I've seen some videos of people trying to understand those changes (can't link them, I'm on my phone) but is easier and it gives you more clicks to just trash DSII.
 
Cloud Strife said:
Why does anyone have to cater to you? The guy beings up literally everything that has been discussed in this thread regarding irks with the game, objective and non.

If you don't want to watch it, that's fine. But don't go around claiming people have no idea what they're talking about when they critique the game when videos like this exist.
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I don't expect people to cater to me, but simply dropping a link in an argument comes across as lazy. Almost like deferring to your preferred authority. It's a discussion ender, not a starter.

Emedan said:
All i have to say to this is that there's certainly some objective truths to be had of some things, that's not down to opinion like: Enemy design in conjuncture with combat system. Is it fair to the player?
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And all I am asking is for concrete examples, which should be extremely easy to produce if you are talking about objective truths.

Hint: perceived "fairness" in combat encounters is not an objective truth.
 
Zefah said:
I don't expect people to cater to me, but simply dropping a link in an argument comes across as lazy. Almost like deferring to your preferred authority. It's a discussion ender, not a starter.
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its like those guys who say "go read *insert book here* and you'll understand"

like bro Im not bout to go read a book that sets up your argument. Do it yourself, b
 
That fucking video is really just a vignette of nit-picks that was embraced by a faction of the community as evidence of the travesty of DS2. It gets brought up when people don't feel like formulating their own opinions, so they link it like it presents the ultimate truth.
 
Lol, that Matthewmatosis video gets posted in every fucking thread even tangentially related to Dark Souls 2. It's like clockwork. Maybe people think that by constantly linking to it, those of us who like the game will eventually "see the light" and realise we were wrong all along.
 
Iva Demilcol said:
The video is pretty bad though, (and yet people keep posting that link in every DS2 thread).

He made some valid points at times but he also wanted to trash the game and it clearly shows at times: like when he is talking about the story, he analyzes what he found fascinating in the lore and the story of the first game an then immediately dismisses the story of DS2 saying something like "in comparison, in DSII you have to fight the queen because reasons". He doesn't try to comprehend why the changes on the formula, I've seen some videos of people trying to understand those changes (can't link them, I'm on my phone) but is easier and it gives you more clicks to just trash DSII.
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How? He's made it very explicit that he treats the game as fairly as the others. Additionally, he also says the game is actually good which is where a lot of people get snagged.
Just because you critique something, doesn't mean you suddenly hate it or think it's trash.
The video is well researched and fair imo. The lore example you give is more subjective but he has a point. It's not as fleshed out regarding the purpose of bosses and progression as Dks1 was. This is just one example of the dozens he lists, and isn't nearly as good as those regarding the flaws of the game.

Zefah said:
I don't expect people to cater to me, but simply dropping a link in an argument comes across as lazy. Almost like deferring to your preferred authority. It's a discussion ender, not a starter.
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I never meant it to be like that, I figured it was something you could watch if you were interested in the subject is all. Do whatever you want, obviously.

It doesn't have to be this confrontational "I'm right you're wrong" situation, just good to look at multiple perspectives.
 
Jombie said:
That fucking video is really just a vignette of nit-picks that was embraced by a faction of the community as evidence of the travesty of DS2. It gets brought up when people don't feel like formulating their own opinions, so they link it like it presents the ultimate truth.
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Have you watched it? Jesus fuck I can't understand this backlash. It's a critique! He says at the start that the game is still good, and he enjoyed it!
Look! The Pie! said:
Lol, that Matthewmatosis video gets posted in every fucking thread even tangentially related to Dark Souls 2. It's like clockwork. Maybe people think that by constantly linking to it, those of us who like the game will eventually "see the light" and realise we were wrong all along.
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My god. Maybe some people do that, but that's not my intent here whatsoever.

I loved the shit out of DKS2. He's critiquing the game, not shitting on it like it's garbage. Watch the video.
 
hawk2025 said:
Lords of the Fallen failed miserably, Salt & Sanctuary did just fine with their own twist on it, but the gameplay never reaches the same heights, and obviously neither does the compelling feeling of the world.

But yes, it's so much harder than it seems to actually get that magic into a game.
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It's kind of the problem Metroid and Zelda games face too, in that you have a few worthy knock offs but usually they pale in comparison and usually those games have a strong twist to them too.

Also perhaps why it IS appropriate to liken the Souls games to Metroid and Zelda, in that there just seems to be a certain essence that only those developers can capture well and even mediocre efforts usually outshine must of the competition. Also that semi-structured open world sort of thing going on!
 
Fat4all said:
I don't agree personally, but I don't like arguing souls games. There's too much arguing out there already.
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Eh I always felt that arguing your preference in this Series silly.

All of the games in the series are fantastic, and I feel it really comes down to personal taste at this point.

Can I ask what your favourite part of BB was? Mine was that the weapon designs were all super cool :D
 
RevenWolf said:
Eh I always felt that arguing your preference in this Series silly.

All of the games in the series are fantastic, and I feel it really comes down to personal taste at this point.

Can I ask what your favourite part of BB was? Mine was that the weapon designs were all super cool :D
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The concept of the weapon transformations were huge for me. The amount of moves and versatility to all the weapons kept me messing with them for hours. I also have a soft spot for the later monster/boss designs in BB.

This isn't to say I hated DS2, mind! I've spent countless hours with Dark 2.
 
Fat4all said:
The concept of the weapon transformations were huge for me. The amount of moves and versatility to all the weapons kept me messing with them for hours. I also have a soft spot for the later monster/boss designs in BB.

This isn't to say I hated DS2, mind! I've spent countless hours with Dark 2.
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Im glad you enjoyed the weapons so much! :) I definitely really liked some of the late game bosses, particularly the last one of vanilla before the secret boss and it legit made me sad when I beat him because it looked so cool fighting him XD
 
Cloud Strife said:
How? He's made it very explicit that he treats the game as fairly as the others. Additionally, he also says the game is actually good which is where a lot of people get snagged.
Just because you critique something, doesn't mean you suddenly hate it or think it's trash.
The video is well researched and fair imo. The lore example you give is more subjective but he has a point. It's not as fleshed out regarding the purpose of bosses and progression as Dks1 was. This is just one example of the dozens he lists, and isn't nearly as good as those regarding the flaws of the game.
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And yet he fails to show that because what he does in the example I gave you is to point out that the first game hypes the fights against the four lords (in a rushed cutscene) and immediately dismiss the story of the other game in a very simplistic manner. He is not analyzing both games under the same terms, and it shows. That's all I'm saying.
 
Let's just agree Souls series and Bloodborne are all great. They all have strengths and weaknesses. As gamers we all have different preferences, some of those strengths will be a weakness to others and vice versa.
 
Metalingus5150 said:
Let's just agree Souls series and Bloodborne are all great. They all have strengths and weaknesses. As gamers we all have different preferences, some of those strengths will be a weakness to others and vice versa.
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I can get behind this.

They are all amazing.

Now we just need PC (or PS4K) ports of Demon's Souls and Bloodborne.
 
Why are we arguing about Dark Souls II anyway, it happened and it's over and this game is more similar to the good ones. Bye Felicia
 
Can't believe there's barely any talk of the actual reviews which are looking fantastic and instead bitching about other entries. Cmon guys there's other threads for that.
 
Metalingus5150 said:
Let's just agree Souls series and Bloodborne are all great. They all have strengths and weaknesses. As gamers we all have different preferences, some of those strengths will be a weakness to others and vice versa.
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I agree with this.

My favorite game with all its flaws, its highs and lows is still Dark Souls one. But every time I read hyperbolic dismissal of DS2 I run to my closet to pick up and wear my DSII defense force headband.
 
On topic, I'm pleased to see so many positive reviews. On the other hand, it's making the wait even more unbearable. Oh well, only a week to go.

Cloud Strife said:
Have you watched it? Jesus fuck I can't understand this backlash. It's a critique! He says at the start that the game is still good, and he enjoyed it!
My god. Maybe some people do that, but that's not my intent here whatsoever.

I loved the shit out of DKS2. He's critiquing the game, not shitting on it like it's garbage. Watch the video.
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Sorry dude, I guess I just went on the defensive since it seems like every single Souls thread ends up degenerating into a DS2 bitchfest where people just link to this video as if it magically legitimises their opinion. Apologies if that wasn't your intention. I did watch the video back when it was first released.

Cool Guy Sami said:
Why are we arguing about Dark Souls II anyway, it happened and it's over and this game is more similar to the good ones. Bye Felicia
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Cloud Strife said:
I never meant it to be like that, I figured it was something you could watch if you were interested in the subject is all. Do whatever you want, obviously.

It doesn't have to be this confrontational "I'm right you're wrong" situation, just good to look at multiple perspectives.
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Sounds like a misunderstanding, but I certainly didn't have much to go by when you just post a link and say "here you go" in response to a request for concrete examples of so-called objectively bad game design, which should be the easiest thing in the world to produce if they were actually objective facts.
 
RevenWolf said:
Well we have to disagree on the enemies not fitting the design of he combat, though I find that perplexing when in ds1 you can side strafe tones of enemies without rolling to get free backstage instead of at least working for it a bit.
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A number of enemies are just straight up out of place. The speed, range and poise of certain enemies and weakness of the roll, coupled with the return of tracking make some builds infinitely better than others, despite their attempts to give all disciplines options (which mostly just seemed to be "Let's give casters fast, weak versions of their up close spells!")

Also the game world is exactly like BB's, which is not a compliment given DS1 exists.

I also wholeheartedly agree with reviewers who are mentioning the nonsense spam of some of the bosses (as a crutch for "difficulty").
 
ANDS said:
A number of enemies are just straight up out of place. The speed, range and poise of certain enemies and weakness of the roll, coupled with the return of tracking make some builds infinitely better than others, despite their attempts to give all disciplines options (which mostly just seemed to be "Let's give casters fast, weak versions of their up close spells!")

Also the game world is exactly like BB's, which is not a compliment given DS1 exists.

I also wholeheartedly agree with reviewers who are mentioning the nonsense spam of some of the bosses (as a crutch for "difficulty").
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Sorry but I'm a little confused, are you referring to ds2 or ds3? :/ because I don't think ds2 has a map similar to BB.
 
ANDS said:
Also the game world is exactly like BB's, which is not a compliment given DS1 exists.
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Bloodborne has more optional areas and they can be accessed much earlier than in DS3. This gives BB flexibility in replay runs which DS3 just doesn't have.

For first playthrough DS3 is a great experience and possibly the best in the souls series but for replayability pretty much every other soulsborne game is better.
 
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