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PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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geordiemp
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Agree,
bitbydeath
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Lol, the next jump in TVs would be 8K.
blastprocessor
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1.1m views Sony will no doubt be seeing the thirst for PS4K.
Welfare
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It is almost as if people don't realize the PS4 is not just a game console, but a multi media device that plays the latest AAA games.
dead monkey uk
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I would have thought so, as this is something audio/video enthusiasts would be looking for from a device. I am not an expert, but is 10bit colour depth not part of the UHD spec. Guess all will become clear this year.
fixed
It's big enough to give Sony a buzz word to use to keep people buying PS4s & new TVs.
I know people with 60" 1080P TVs who are now looking to get 4K TVs because it's the new talk. these people don't really know what 4K is they just know that it's clearer & everyone is talking about it.
CosmicQueso
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Anyone save that amazing post earlier in this monstrosity where the poster basically said "if Henry Ford came to GAF to introduce the automobile, GAF would tell him to go make a better horse?" or something to that effect?
That's the one. That's up there with the GOAT posts.
That's the one. That's up there with the GOAT posts.
Welfare
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spatenfloot
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He's just paraphrasing a quote commonly attributed to Ford that he may not have even said.
Papacheeks
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Yea, that's 4 years from now. PS5 can offer that which makes more sense than trying to increase the rate of Ultra bluray and 4k tv's by adding another SKU that has significant advantages over the prior model in versions of games.
PS1 could have had some kind of update late 90's like in 1998-1999? But they didn't they waited and it made sense for 2000 as dvd was more mainstream, making the PS2 the optimum purchase for dvd, and game media.
partime
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UHD isn't a unified spec, that I know of, and it can very well be marketed as 4K and still be 8-bit.
dcx4610
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I think one thing a lot of people are forgetting is UHD Blu-ray. There are a lot of streamers and people that steal movies these days but the Blu-ray market is worth billions.
The PS3 helped Sony win the HD format war against HDDVD and a 4k Blu-Ray drive in the system instantly makes them the #1 choice for the player.
I think people are looking at this more as an upgraded PS4 which it is, but I see it more as a Trojan horse for UHD media.
The PS3 helped Sony win the HD format war against HDDVD and a 4k Blu-Ray drive in the system instantly makes them the #1 choice for the player.
I think people are looking at this more as an upgraded PS4 which it is, but I see it more as a Trojan horse for UHD media.
Hawk269
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Go into any best buy and count how many 4k tvs they have in display versus 1080 sets. The majority of the 45" or bigger are 4k sets. Price is also coming down a lot over the last 2 years. It is a bigger market than many on here are giving it credit for and it is growing very fast.
bitbydeath
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Won't be standard that is just an odd sized screen where they've left the height of a 4K and added more width.
CosmicQueso
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I've seen posts which put all the responses concerned into "Consoles are doomed because of mid-cycle upgrades" category and dismiss all the concerns because they don't believe the consoles are doomed.
I, for one, don't at all think consoles are doomed because of this, it might make the console space more healthy, or less healthy, or won't make much change in case of total revenues and software sales. It could go any direction, but I don't think consoles are doomed because of it.
However, it's just something that's not necessary for the typical console buyer, the majority of the console crowd are barely getting the taste of the new generation, and were not in anticipation of such an upgrade.
PS4K is just another unnecessary piece of equipment that will put pressure on you to buy it, at least 2-3 years earlier. Graphics of the order, driveclub, UC4 is good enough for me, until I see massively more awesome stuff on the PC that will put these titles to shame. These consoles still have some spare.
The phone analogies don't work, Ipads barely touch the subject.
I, for one, don't at all think consoles are doomed because of this, it might make the console space more healthy, or less healthy, or won't make much change in case of total revenues and software sales. It could go any direction, but I don't think consoles are doomed because of it.
However, it's just something that's not necessary for the typical console buyer, the majority of the console crowd are barely getting the taste of the new generation, and were not in anticipation of such an upgrade.
PS4K is just another unnecessary piece of equipment that will put pressure on you to buy it, at least 2-3 years earlier. Graphics of the order, driveclub, UC4 is good enough for me, until I see massively more awesome stuff on the PC that will put these titles to shame. These consoles still have some spare.
The phone analogies don't work, Ipads barely touch the subject.
blacklotus
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What's the deal with posting inside information? I need to contact who first?
Crimson_Gold
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Shoot a mod a DM. Bish, Shonta, y2kev, etc
blacklotus
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Thanks.
-ImaginaryInsider
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Why should Sony wait 4 years to profit off of 4k adoption when they can offer a completely optional PS4k sooner? Much like those people who think Sony should wait to release VR until the PS5, that is a lot of time to leave the competition unchallenged just for the sake of it. It's better they have an optional sku and be on the forefront, rather than reacting after the fact.
travisbickle
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You can PM me with the info first if you want?
I don't want to pull rank on you but I'm a Time Mod from the future send me the info
Me too!
I'm a nobody.
Try this from the last page you read, will give you the ones with the most reactions and track the most active conversations and back and forths. Because I made it.
This.
The rest of Sony are not going to want to sit and wait another 4-5 years so they can coincide a wider release of UHD discs. Not just as 4K sets have become affordable
THE:MILKMAN
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The thirst in the last few posts is amazing.
Wishmaster92
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We're getting new info soon? :}
Interesting, thanks.
blacklotus
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It's really something very thin. I pmed Bish, if he considers i should post it, i will.
Wishmaster92
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Any new info is welcomed. It's been scarce these past few days
Marty Chinn
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I think UHD discs don't need to support 10bit encoded video, but I believe the players most certainly have to support the ability to play it. It's part of the standard that was announced last year.
I think UHD is going to be a niche market. A move like this certainly helps expand it more than it would otherwise, but its going to be a downward trend just like Blu Ray was from DVD which Sony did the same for the PS2 and PS3.
Shin-Ra
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UHD Blu-ray players must be capable of decoding and displaying all these features. Content providers can pick and choose which to encode on their UHD discs.
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=15769
potatohead
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Pretty cool info.
Makes more sense to launch PS4K with this stuff, if all this is needed to satisfy the best possible 4K viewing experience.
I still think this is heavily related to 4K BluRay and IPTV/streaming business.... it's just growing now.
If Sony offers a deal first, and offers more content.... this is the trojan horse for Sony then.
Theonik
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Even if you are not using a wider colour gamut, most UHD encodes should utilize 10-bit. It's a core feature in H.265 and provides a significant efficiency improvement when encoding video.
Nostremitus
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I don't know why, but I'm getting a lot of Deja Vu about this... It reminds me of Sega 32X and Sega CD, just without add-ons and having to buy a whole new console...
How is it like either of them when it's still playing the same games? you couldn't play a 32X or Sega CD game on your Sega Genesis.
A dev can make a game for the PS4K even if only 10 people own it at the time their game is released & there is still 40 million people who could still buy & play that game. how is this anything like 32X or Sega CD?
Crimson_Gold
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The desire to see this fail is the same as those. Unfortunately for some, this isn't like those at all. It is another product that will provide Sony with MUA and software sales. I'd hate to see the day you can buy PS4 games through a TV. People will be livid.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Market fragmentation. No matter how you look at it, this will fragment the market. But the question should be is it a good idea and can the market support it?
Market fragmentation in itself is not a bad thing. Even in the games industry, it's always existed in some form or another. Be it different machine types to play games on (arcade, console, PCs) or region-specific offerings from certain platform holders (NEC, for example), it's always existed in some way.
Now, can today's market support it on a wide scale? Well, I'm of the idea it can, to an extent. It's a lot different than the early '90s when Sega tried it; the homogenization/convergence of different tech industries just wasn't there yet, and that was a key factor in making it work. Today however we can all agree that convergence is real, and Sony has more good will than Microsoft and Nintendo combined.
Mind, I'm still not 100% on board w/ a PS4K and PSVR (a singular device combining the two likely would've worked better, imho), but I can recognize the reality that the market at large is more receptive to the idea today vs. say 1992 or 1994.
CosmicQueso
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Except it's nothing at all like that. Other than that, pretty much the same deal.
TheFinalCut
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It's very rare that I actually spit out laughing when I read posts. Well put!
How is the market fragmented when every console is still a PS4 & every game is still a PS4 game?
Agreed.
Marty Chinn
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From a developer viewpoint, it's the beginning of fragmentation, especially if generations disappear for iterative releases.
Or it means the beginning of scalability.
They can continue making PS4 games until they become PS4P /PSVRP /PS4K/PS4Now games.
still the same games but on more devices.