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Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son

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Wait, that was Flash in the dream sequence?

Ye gods, I've literally just got back from the cinema after watching that movie, and I had no idea.

Yeah, I didn't know who he was until later. I just assumed some other DC character had time-traveling abilities. But even then, it makes no sense because the movie framed it as if it were a dream.

Does anyone know why they made it look like Bruce was waking up from a dream after that? I know he was dreaming before it, but I don't think the Flash is able to run so fast he ends up in peoples' dreams.
 
Yeah, I didn't know who he was until later. I just assumed some other DC character had time-traveling abilities. But even then, it makes no sense because the movie framed it as if it were a dream.

Does anyone know why they made it look like Bruce was waking up from a dream after that? I know he was dreaming before it, but I don't think the Flash is able to run so fast he ends up in peoples' dreams.

Yeah, was a bit confusing. I think they should have split Flash and the nightmare up more and not have it follow on from each other, because Flash wasn't part of the dream as I understood it. Still I would have hoped for more reaction or Bruce talking to Alfred about it as he just had someone poke through a portal into his house and yell at him things he didn't understand. Isn't that a little scary to have happen to you?

Also I'm thinking the nightmare could be cut altogether or just have it as some extra on the bluray, or after credits or something, as that scene is just a whole bunch of extra confusion with it just popping up that way in the movie.
 
Yeah, I didn't know who he was until later. I just assumed some other DC character had time-traveling abilities. But even then, it makes no sense because the movie framed it as if it were a dream.

Does anyone know why they made it look like Bruce was waking up from a dream after that? I know he was dreaming before it, but I don't think the Flash is able to run so fast he ends up in peoples' dreams.
I'm thinking it's meant to be a fake out for the audience. That or Bruce passed out from the shock or something.
 
I dunno, I have a hard time reconciling how anyone watched that movie and walked away feeling like "haters were just hating" on it.

I came away feeling it was all pretty damn justified. So much of the film was cut SO awkward that I just... couldn't understand what they were trying to do. The intro about Bats parents was fine, then after that it just feels like a rollercoaster.

All the nightmares were thrown in there, and noone who isn't familiar with the comics will understand what in the bloody HELL was going on there. Im serious, I kept looking for them to frame it for the folks that haven't read the source material and they never did. So for a lot of people I could TOOOOOTALLY see these random ass cuts to Batman in the desert with a bunch of flying monsters and shit to be random as fuck.

Oh lord and the Flash? The time travel message? REALLY? Gonna explain even a LITTLE of that to your viewers man? But the worst part was Batman nor Superman were likable. I mean, like, they both seemed like assholes to a degree that the writers didn't WANT me to like. But I got the opposite feeling for WW (and I loved her in the film).

The less I say about the stupid Batman Rocky training montage and the stupid CG doomsday roaring on the top of a building in Gotham like fucking King Kong, or the awkward "Oh hey, they are way up in space now, let's nukem out of fucking nowhere k mr. president?", or or or the cheesy 'talkin wit ma ghost dad on da mountaintop' mess or even the 'documents' or emails or whatever that had fucking LOGOS for Flash WW Aqua and Cyborg!!!! gyyyyyyaaaaaaaaahahahahahahah.

I swear to god man. I just.... This should have been two movies. Because the JL seeding felt forced and super rushed, and the character development suffered because of it. I dont even know where to start or stop with this movie. It was a bit of a mess.

Thank the gods for Wonder Woman man. I fucking loved every line she had, her look and her fighting in the movie. I doubted Gal Gadot at the time of casting but if this is any indication she will be spectacular.

I agree with everything you posted.

I actually felt stupid as I did not realize the time travelling "vision" was the Flash until I read it here.

And I was completely lost with the flying insect men lol (as I posted a few pages back)

But I was never a really big DC comic reader so I figured people who did would understand and appreciate it.

I walked away from the movie very interested in seeing Wonder Woman but will almost certainly hold off on JL
 
I thought it needed a few more action scenes to break up the stretches of slow, and the final fight was too much superspeed hitting, super-speed knockbacks and too many explosions to properly follow what was going on the entire time, but overall I enjoyed it.
 
It is obvious that a stand alone batman movie that builds up to the BvS confrontation was needed. This version of Lex was also terrible. As bad as the Hackman version.
 
It is obvious that a stand alone batman movie that builds up to the BvS confrontation was needed. This version of Lex was also terrible. As bad as the Hackman version.

I disagree. I think the first 20 minutes was all we needed to see why Bruce Wayne goes to battle with Superman. What we missed was an establishment of Batman's position in the world. One scene establishes him as a new vigilante, unknown to the policeforce, the next makes us believe he's been around for a while, another makes you wonder if he's retired... there's never a sense of Batman's presence in the world.

For instance; the sex-traffickers. The cops show up and they find the batarang in the wall. It would've been perfect if they'd relax and say "ah, good, the bat is here." or "what the hell is that?" or "is he back?". It establishes Batman's connection to the world.
Instead, they draw a blank and fire on Batman when they see him. Now that COULD establish something, but it also allows for an interpretation that he fired in panic.

For instance, take this scene from The Dark Knight Rises:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBicn4PqLFY

it establishes that Batman is back, how the cops feel about it, and that he's a known entity to the policeforce, without relying on the previous 2 films. All that in mere seconds.

Similarly, you could establish his no-kill policy and how he drifted from that (although they do allude to that in the scene with "20 years, how many were good, how many stayed that way?", it indicates that he's fed up with his lack of real accomplishments).

Instead, after the first 20 minutes, the movie assumes you know Batman, not only that, you know Snyder's interpretation of Batman, and that's where things go sideways.
 
people who hate the workout scene have no soul. that was probably the best thing about the latter half of the movie tbh. these superhero movies lack a dope training scene and it sold bruce as a real beast of a physical specimen. it was nice to see him prepare for action for once.

Crossfit is a pretty silly trend. Whenever I see people lifting tires and doing dumbshit, it gives me a good chuckle.

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I disagree. I think the first 20 minutes was all we needed to see why Bruce Wayne goes to battle with Superman. What we missed was an establishment of Batman's position in the world. One scene establishes him as a new vigilante, unknown to the policeforce, the next makes us believe he's been around for a while, another makes you wonder if he's retired... there's never a sense of Batman's presence in the world.

For instance; the sex-traffickers. The cops show up and they find the batarang in the wall. It would've been perfect if they'd relax and say "ah, good, the bat is here." or "what the hell is that?" or "is he back?". It establishes Batman's connection to the world.
Instead, they draw a blank and fire on Batman when they see him. Now that COULD establish something, but it also allows for an interpretation that he fired in panic.

For instance, take this scene from The Dark Knight Rises:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBicn4PqLFY

it establishes that Batman is back, how the cops feel about it, and that he's a known entity to the policeforce, without relying on the previous 2 films. All that in mere seconds.

Similarly, you could establish his no-kill policy and how he drifted from that (although they do allude to that in the scene with "20 years, how many were good, how many stayed that way?", it indicates that he's fed up with his lack of real accomplishments).

Instead, after the first 20 minutes, the movie assumes you know Batman, not only that, you know Snyder's interpretation of Batman, and that's where things go sideways.

The other cop (the one that doesn't shoot) tells the rookie that that's "one of the good guys." So there's that.
 
And I don't approve of Affleck's interpretation of Batman in any case. I don't like Batman being a sadistic, cruel coward, and I don't buy that his 'character development' is sufficient to get him out of that. Of course, time will tell where they take the character, but I don't think the studio will hear "Well, the movie sucked as a whole, but people are responding to Batman" and say "Good, good, now lets change his character completely".

More likely they'll double down on the violent idiotic sadistic Batman, and we'll see more of that in his solo outing. I'd really like to see more 'detective' Batman, who we haven't actually seen on film yet.
 
I need this in the extended cut.

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I just got my copy of 'the art of the film' today and was disappointed that this piece wasn't found in it nor any artwork that included superman, Batman and Wonder Woman together, as well as a few other pieces in this thread like superman with Doomsday, etc.
 
I really got the idea he meant both himself as well as batman in that line.

Did the guy who got shot at even know it was Batman? The shotgun cop sees Batman, almost shoots his partner, his partner says "Don't shoot the good guys", then (and my memory might be failing me) doesn't the shotgun cop talk about how he "saw it/him" (referring to Batman)? In that case the cop who got shot at wouldn't know it had anything to do with Batman until after he is told?
 
Did the guy who got shot at even know it was Batman? The shotgun cop sees Batman, almost shoots his partner, his partner says "Don't shoot the good guys", then (and my memory might be failing me) doesn't the shotgun cop talk about how he "saw it/him" (referring to Batman)? In that case the cop who got shot at wouldn't know it had anything to do with Batman until after he is told?

Well they see the batarang in the wall when they come in. The guy that shoots is a rookie police officer and after the whole exchange the experienced officer goes 'my god, he branded him' signifying he has experience with Batman but this is something new.

So the experienced cop definitely knows who Batman is and knows he is/was in the building due to the batarang.
 
Well they see the batarang in the wall when they come in. The guy that shoots is a rookie police officer and after the whole exchange the experienced officer goes 'my god, he branded him' signifying he has experience with Batman but this is something new.

So the experienced cop definitely knows who Batman is and knows he's is/was in the building due to the batarang.

Wait, no. They see the women first, right? They don't understand what they're saying, but I think they might point up. So the shotgun cop goes upstairs first, sees the branded dude and realizes Batman is in the room. He tries to shoot at Batman as he escapes, almost shooting his partner. He tells his partner he "saw him" (Batman), then they both look at the Batarang and the branded dude, right?

I can't remember if they saw the batarang before the women, though.
 
Wait, no. They see the women first, right? They don't understand what they're saying, but I think they might point up. So the shotgun cop goes upstairs first, sees the branded dude and realizes Batman is in the room. He tries to shoot at Batman as he escapes, almost shooting his partner. He tells his partner he "saw him" (Batman), then they both look at the Batarang and the branded dude, right?

I can't remember if they saw the batarang before the women, though.

Police officers arrive > Shine their flashlight on a batarang in the wall > both look to it > go down the stairs > find the women > we follow rookie cop upstairs to the noise > shoots at Batman > Shoots his experienced partner > "I saw him, i've never seen him before" or something like that > partner: 'You almost took my face off, how about you don't shoot at the good guys' > partner: 'My god, he branded him'

I'm pretty sure that's how the sequence plays out.
 
Police officers arrive > Shine their flashlight on a batarang in the wall > both look to it > go down the stairs > find the women > we follow rookie cop upstairs to the noise > shoots at Batman > Shoots his experienced partner > "I saw him, i've never seen him before" or something like that > partner: 'You almost took my face off, how about you don't shoot at the good guys' > partner: 'My god, he branded him'

I'm pretty sure that's how the sequence plays out.

But why still be on edge if there's a batarang? If I were a law enforcement officer and I arrive at a crime scene to find a batarang, my first instinct would be "cool! let's grab some coffee and wait for him to handle this."
 
I actually felt stupid as I did not realize the time travelling "vision" was the Flash until I read it here.

And I was completely lost with the flying insect men lol (as I posted a few pages back)

But I was never a really big DC comic reader so I figured people who did would understand and appreciate it.

BvS to me was like a non-stop stream of Age of Ultron's "Thor in the cave" scenes. They all felt tacked on, unnecessary, confusing, pace-disrupting, and most casual audiences would just be left scratching their head.
 
BvS to me was like a non-stop stream of Age of Ultron's "Thor in the cave" scenes. They all felt tacked on, unnecessary, confusing, pace-disrupting, and most casual audiences would just be left scratching their head.

At least the stupid Thor sequence has some basis in the films up to that point. We've seen the Infinity gems appear multiple times in the MCU before, so it's really just visually reiterating what The Collector said in GOTG. The average casual viewer can make the connection if theyre paying enough attention.

There's almost zero context for the big teases in BvS. Definitely not the Knightmare sequence at least. The laptop scene definitely breaks up the momentum of the film just like Thor's bullshit, but it's handled with even less subtlety and has no real bearing on the movie's plot. At the very least, Thor's sideplot moved the story forward because it birthed The Vision.
 
BvS to me was like a non-stop stream of Age of Ultron's "Thor in the cave" scenes. They all felt tacked on, unnecessary, confusing, pace-disrupting, and most casual audiences would just be left scratching their head.

I'm a casual fan of DC and I left scratching my head. Thing is, I researched it after seeing the movie and now I'm getting really intrigued by the whole universe. Going to start watching and reading more about it now.
 
But why still be on edge if there's a batarang? If I were a law enforcement officer and I arrive at a crime scene to find a batarang, my first instinct would be "cool! let's grab some coffee and wait for him to handle this."

Well it's Gotham and I'm sure a rookie officer would be on edge while having his first encounter with the Bat. The partner seemed way more relaxed in that sequence.
 
No, that doesn't count. It's not well written enough and it's not earned. Pay no attention to the lack of a brand on Lex Luthor.

Just because you didn't like the way it was handled doesn't mean it didn't happen. Bruce is clearly changed when he says "I failed him in life, I won't fail him in death." I like to think he's talking about seeing good in people. I think Bruce lost that and Superman showed him something that gave it back to him.

I also think Superman will come back a completely different character. When I first saw the movie, before reading anybody else's opinion, I was excited that they killed him off. I still am to a point because I hope it allows him to come back as the Superman we all know and love.
 
No, that doesn't count. It's not well written enough and it's not earned. Pay no attention to the lack of a brand on Lex Luthor.

You keep bringing that point up, about how Batman didn't brand Lex.

Like, sure, that's an improvement over branding Lex, arguably, (again, Lex is probably THE most deserving of Batman's victims, and his reason for sparing Lex other than an alledged newfound moral principle isn't really clear), but am I supposed to be applauding the guy? For all we know, he'll still have no problem slaughtering people it happens to be convienent for him, he still might be cruel and sadistic.

So he no longer treats people as subhuman to the extent that he uses them like cattle and places death sentences on them how he pleases. What is that supposed to earn him, the not as big a jerk as you could have been award?

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Yes, pay no attention to clear character development.

Batman brands criminals ("a death sentence"). Batman doesn't brand criminals ("not a death sentence").

You're right; that's character development... in baby steps.

I'm getting flashbacks (no pun intended) to Man of Steel fans saying that Superman clearly had character development from letting his dad die to protect his secret powers to exposing himself to the public to confront Zod (which wasn't really much of a choice, but it was sort of one). They're right; it's character development... but in the most bare use of the term.

In both cases (BvS and MoS), fans keep telling me "see? By the end of the film, they kinda, almost, sorta resemble the versions that you know and love, and the NEXT film will show them as closer to their classic incarnations. This Superman learned that killing is bad! Snyder said so! NEXT film, he'll be more like his original version. Next film, Batman won't brand people or commit wanton manslaughter and murder! Hold out hope, guys! There was a smidgen of development there from "psychotic killer" to "slightly less psychotic maybe killer"!"

After multiple Zack Snyder-led films, I no longer am giving him the benefit of the doubt, and I absolutely was an apologist for his decisions early on. No longer. I'm not sold on this argument any longer.
 
You keep bringing that point up, about how Batman didn't brand Lex.

Like, sure, that's an improvement over branding Lex, arguably, (again, Lex is probably THE most deserving of Batman's victims, and his reason for sparing Lex other than an alledged newfound moral principle isn't really clear), but am I supposed to be applauding the guy? For all we know, he'll still have no problem slaughtering people it happens to be convienent for him, he still might be cruel and sadistic.

So he no longer treats people as subhuman to the extent that he uses them like cattle and places death sentences on them how he pleases. What is that supposed to earn him, the not as big a jerk as you could have been award?

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It's supposed to earn him the "look, it's a character arc" medal. He's not necessarily a good person, and he's not necessarily what you want for the character, but the progression is clearly moving in the direction of a gentler Batman, relatively speaking.

As opposed to the dude who said that he thought they were going to double down on the sadistic tendencies.
 
It's supposed to earn him the "look, it's a character arc" medal. He's not necessarily a good person, and he's not necessarily what you want for the character, but the progression is clearly moving in the direction of a gentler Batman, relatively speaking.

As opposed to the dude who said that he thought they were going to double down on the sadistic tendencies.

Nah, even ignoring that it is a pathetically written character arc, which apparently isn't viewed as a significant feature by you and some others, also what Garlahad said.

It's the barest, most minimal possible effort put forth to character development. I'd say bare bones, but bones have more substance than what we got. I guess it's better than nothing at all, but it's still an F either way. That he doesn't brand the most deserving person of a brand at the end of the movie doesn't get him a get out of jail free card for what Batman pulls in this movie.

And it is still possible they'll double down on the sadism. People thought they'd back off on Superman killing because of Man of Steel's ending, and look how that turned out. He kills a terrorist first time he shows up. So the ending is no guarantee.
 
A few changes would have made me giving this movie a thumb up.

1. Batman just doesn't give a shit about not killing people. God fucking damnit
2. Lex Luthor knows everything, the hell
3. Lex Luthor want to kill Superman because....?
4. Lex Luthor want to hold gladiator match because...?
5. MARTHA! The fuck is that nonsense
6. That ending with Kryptonite spear. You know what would have been cool? Having Batman stab Doomdays, or having Wonderwoman do it. God damn, Superman is dumb.
7. That forced Death of Superman ending.

You know.. I guess they're not few changes, but the changes should have been manageable and salvaged this movie.
 
A few changes would have made me giving this movie a thumb up.

1. Batman just doesn't give a shit about not killing people. God fucking damnit
2. Lex Luthor knows everything, the hell
3. Lex Luthor want to kill Superman because....?
4. Lex Luthor want to hold gladiator match because...?
5. MARTHA! The fuck is that nonsense
6. That ending with Kryptonite spear. You know what would have been cool? Having Batman stab Doomdays, or having Wonderwoman do it. God damn, Superman is dumb.
7. That forced Death of Superman ending.

You know.. I guess they're not few changes, but the changes should have been manageable and salvaged this movie.

Lex Luthor hates superman because Superman wasn't around when daddy slapped him. It was pretty clear in the movie. Lex Luthor is a bigger bitch than Kylo fucking Ren.
 
Just rewatched Superman Returns on HBO GO again. Quick history, first time liked it, second time I found it boring. Now this third time, I founded well directed. I smiled in a few places. I...I loved it.
I had the same problems that everyone else had with it, but because of Star Trek ITD, and Star Wars TFA (which are basically Wrath of Kahn and A New Hope respectively), it's a lot easier to take in Superman Returns.
It also helped was that I got tired of Snyder's Superman. Singer's Superman is closer to what I believe the character should be.
 
That has nothing to do with why he doesn't like Superman

It kinda does.

He projects his daddy slapping him as evidence of God's nonexistence, and then identifies Superman as God, and basically makes it his life mission to prove he isn't god by forcing him to choose between the "Be good or be strong" dilemma.

It's indirect, but it has something to do with why he doesn't like superman.
 
A few changes would have made me giving this movie a thumb up.

1. Batman just doesn't give a shit about not killing people. God fucking damnit
2. Lex Luthor knows everything, the hell
3. Lex Luthor want to kill Superman because....?
4. Lex Luthor want to hold gladiator match because...?
5. MARTHA! The fuck is that nonsense
6. That ending with Kryptonite spear. You know what would have been cool? Having Batman stab Doomdays, or having Wonderwoman do it. God damn, Superman is dumb.
7. That forced Death of Superman ending.

You know.. I guess they're not few changes, but the changes should have been manageable and salvaged this movie.
1. Agree
2. Agree
3. He is all powerful. Power is never innocent, doesn't trust what he will do with that power. He can control politicians, he can't control Superman.
4. This one is easy. He wants Batman to kill Superman. If not, hope that him killing Batman paints Superman in a worse view to the public so the government can have his back to kill him himself.
5. Awful execution, but it makes sense. He was startled why he said his mom's name at first. For Bats, he just sees some alien. Finds out his mom is human and going to get killed by Lex. When Supes is about to die, he doesn't say don't kill and save her, he just mentions that he should save her, a pretty good trait as a being.
6. No
7. No. Only thing wrong is the dirt levitating in the last 5 seconds. Go all in or not at all for this particular movie. Wasn't a big issue though.
 
It kinda does.

He projects his daddy slapping him as evidence of God's nonexistence, and then identifies Superman as God, and basically makes it his life mission to prove he isn't god by forcing him to choose between the "Be good or be strong" dilemma.

It's indirect, but it has something to do with why he doesn't like superman.
I know, but when it's broken down to "he doesn't like superman because his dad hit him" is incredibly lazy and misleading. I think it's appropriate at least to have someone who hates God and the god figure to take on this version of Superman even if it wasn't handled that well at all.
 
A few changes would have made me giving this movie a thumb up.

1. Batman just doesn't give a shit about not killing people. God fucking damnit
2. Lex Luthor knows everything, the hell
3. Lex Luthor want to kill Superman because....?
4. Lex Luthor want to hold gladiator match because...?
5. MARTHA! The fuck is that nonsense
6. That ending with Kryptonite spear. You know what would have been cool? Having Batman stab Doomdays, or having Wonderwoman do it. God damn, Superman is dumb.
7. That forced Death of Superman ending.

You know.. I guess they're not few changes, but the changes should have been manageable and salvaged this movie.

1. Yeah it sucks but it's not a stretch considering how shitty his life has been with the burnt down Manor and a dead robin, and they turned it into a character arc. I don't think he's reached punisher levels of killing people executions style, rather he's more careless about collateral damage.

2-4. Lex hates Superman because he disproves his belief that power is innocent. He refuses to believe that god can be both good and all powerful (he believes this because of his abusive childhood), Superman was an example of both. He wanted to bring Superman down and prove he's right by taking his mother hostage and forcing him to kill a man in self interest. He knew Bruce had taken his kryptonite (he knows both their identities) so he was hoping for Bruce to kill him.

5. Martha was kind of a trigger word to get Batman to take a step back and listen to Superman/Lois. You know his crusade was revolved around his parent's death, it's more than plausible that hearing that name would strike a chord with Batman. In a way it humanized Superman, which Bruce had seen as an alien in a world that had no more good men left. Hell, he consider himself one of the bad guys in a piece of dialogue with Alfred.

6. WW was holding him down with the lasso at the time iirc. In addition he didn't know what she was capable of or that meta humans even existed. Bruce was also a risky move since he may not have been strong enough. It was a matter of taking the opportunity while he could, and he didn't want to risk another Doomsday supernova.

7. I don't think it's forced because it disproved Batman and Lex's beliefs at the same time. It was the central plot line of the movie. It also affirmed Superman's role in the world, whereas before he had doubts if he was helping more than hurting, or if the world had needed Superman (which it's clear it did, since Doomsday was man made).
 
I know, but when it's broken down to "he doesn't like superman because his dad hit him" is incredibly lazy and misleading. I think it's appropriate at least to have someone who hates God and the god figure to take on this version of Superman even if it wasn't handled that well at all.

It's a stupid motivator and lazy at best, if Snyder would've gone with the motivation that Lex sees Superman as the end of human progression, since he symbolizes something mankind could never achieve and a constant protector of the weak, thus making the point of evolution, progression and self-improvement mute, that would've been a far deeper and meaningful motivation, even generating some sympathy from the audience.

But yeah, getting slapped and "God/Superman never came to rescue me" works SO MUCH better.
 
2-4. Lex hates Superman because he disproves his belief that power is innocent. He refuses to believe that god can be both good and all powerful (he believes this because of his abusive childhood), Superman was an example of both. He wanted to bring Superman down and prove he's right by taking his mother hostage and forcing him to kill a man in self interest. He knew Bruce had taken his kryptonite (he knows both their identities) so he was hoping for Bruce to kill him.

Didnt Man of Steel already prove that Superman wasn't "all good" and that he had faults? The destruction of Metropolis at his hand was one of this movie's main points, I thought.
 
It's a stupid motivator and lazy at best, if Snyder would've gone with the motivation that Lex sees Superman as the end of human progression, since he symbolizes something mankind could never achieve and a constant protector of the weak, thus making the point of evolution, progression and self-improvement mute, that would've been a far deeper and meaningful motivation, even generating some sympathy from the audience.

But yeah, getting slapped and "God/Superman never came to rescue me" works SO MUCH better.

Wow, that's a super great attitude on childhood trauma you've got there.

So Batman's parents got shot in an alley, what kind of motivation is that, there's tons of orphans out there. Lazy and stupid.

Didnt Man of Steel already prove that Superman wasn't "all good" and that he had faults? The destruction of Metropolis at his hand was one of this movie's main points, I thought.

Not really, people in the movie mostly seem to accept that Metropolis isn't his fault. And since then he's mostly just been saving people all day erry day.
 
If you don't like it, fine. But that is a character shift. He starts one place, and his journey changes him.

What journey? You can't just have him different "because".

Borrowing from Cracked here, how does Superman (an alien) sacrificing himself to stop Doomsday (another alien) created by Lex (a very evil human) restore Batman's faith in HUMANITY? "Men are still good" he says, but Superman is literally a being from another world and most of the movie has Batman surrounded by aliens, gods, demons, and meta-humans - the majority of which are inherently destructive and lethal.

Batman's different, sure (again, BARELY...), but the journey and reasons for it requires leaps of logic even Wonder Woman couldn't pull off. And I've seen her leap.
 
What journey? You can't just have him different "because".

Borrowing from Cracked here, how does Superman (an alien) sacrificing himself to stop Doomsday (another alien) created by Lex (a very evil human) restore Batman's faith in HUMANITY? "Men are still good" he says, but Superman is literally a being from another world and most of the movie has Batman surrounded by aliens, gods, demons, and meta-humans - the majority of which are inherently destructive and lethal.

Batman's different, sure (again, BARELY...), but the journey and reasons for it requires leaps of logic even Wonder Woman couldn't pull off. And I've seen her leap.

When the tracklist for the movie showed up, I thought the line "Men are still good" would refer to Batman (it's even additionally titled "The Batman Suite"). It makes no sense for Batman to utter that line himself about Superman.

This movie is just a whole lotta nonsense.
 
What journey? You can't just have him different "because".

Borrowing from Cracked here, how does Superman (an alien) sacrificing himself to stop Doomsday (another alien) created by Lex (a very evil human) restore Batman's faith in HUMANITY? "Men are still good" he says, but Superman is literally a being from another world and most of the movie has Batman surrounded by aliens, gods, demons, and meta-humans - the majority of which are inherently destructive and lethal.

Batman's different, sure (again, BARELY...), but the journey and reasons for it requires leaps of logic even Wonder Woman couldn't pull off. And I've seen her leap.

This is... actually really obvious? That's what the Martha moment was, humanizing Superman to Batman (amongst a couple of other things).
 
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