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Bernie is a DINO. Straight from Hillary's mouth. Looks like that debate has finally been settled.
Holy fuck, this thread would be a BLOODBATH if the roles were reversed lol
Hillary Clinton on Sanders: 'I'm not even sure he is a Democract'
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Nah it's being asked about because some of her surrogates started mentioning it in conjunction with him doing nothing the down ballot democrats about a week or so ago.
It's a good attack because it's accurate and Sanders has no real answer to it except "we'll see". It's not even a personal attack, as Sanders freely admits both parts of the accusation.
He's already signed up to stand as an independent again in Vermont so it's an obvious temporary marriage of convenience. That might not mean much in the open primaries and low turnout caucuses but in a closed primary like NY which is the epicentre of the Democratic and Union machines it's a strong attack.
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I'm gonna third my prophetic warning: the Hillary campaign is going to end up alienating Bernie voters so much that they go vote for Trump and make him win. I hope I'm wrong, but I can feel a definite vibe of fuck off berniebros.
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And the other component to this is that Sanders supporters are becoming increasingly hostile to party officials and delegates for not supporting a candidate who presently has no intention of helping them with down ticket races. Instead Sanders is more concerned with ideological purity tests and dividing democrats and party new comers alike against the likely nominee.
It's okay, about a quarter aren't going to vote for her regardless.
So, good job Bernie. I guess.
No it's reality. He hasn't exactly hid that he just joined the party last year because of the benefits the party provides to those that run.
No down ticket support. I think everyone knows hes probably not really a dem. There's nothing wrong with that, but its going to work against him within the party for sure.
Its not an attack at all. Its just the truth. But look at the thread, very many people are confused as to why someone would think this. They clearly haven't been paying close attention.
Nope, sorry. I wasn't even thinking about the Iraq war vote. I was thinking mostly about their ideological views on capitalism. Thanks for assuming.
Now Bernie is not really that great of a leftist. He has very much moderated since his earlier years. That's why I said he's a moderate leftist. Social democrats are really nothing more than liberals++ but they have more of a background coming from socialism. So Bernie and Hillary are naturally quite similar in many respects.
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Probably more accurate.
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And another quarter probably can't vote.
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I'd glad bet against that. Most Bernie Sanders fans are well aware that either option is better than any Republican. The loud "Bernie or Trump" contingent is a minority.
Y'all remember when GOP were worried that Ron Paul voters would lose Kerry the election.
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Yes, hence why I said she is a liberal and is only left relative to other things. You would know that if you read my post instead of reacted instinctively as if I was insulting Hillary by saying she's not left.
I'm not a liberal. I'm not calling Hillary a liberal as an insult.
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How much longer until her supporters start circulating emails asking if Bernie was actually born in the US or not?
It really isn't and people need to understand that. It certainly makes him look bad. However it really isn't a negative attack on him. It's a statement of fact about how he positions himself.
How do you expect to get anything done if you win if you aren't helping others win so you have a House and/or Senate to help you pass things. That's always been the huge elephant in the room with Sanders and part of why some people say he only makes promises he can't keep. He's not doing anything to possibly help make those positions possible. It's another reason you will not see super delegates switch to him.
The thread is a bloodbath.
Additionally, Hilary isn't making a complaint about his policy positions here. Like she literally said this:
in this interview. She's just saying that he probably doesn't identify as a democrat and the implication of that is that he doesn't care to help the infrastructure in downticket races.
Your scale seems to be basically that a far leftie would be a communist. This is like saying that a far-rightist in U.S. politics would be a literal crusader-pope. While technically those are the extremes of those philosophies, that's not a useful scale.
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If it does, that's on them. They (and their candidate) have been treated with absolute kid gloves. Anybody who flips from Bernie to Trump over stuff like this isn't actually a Progressive, a liberal, a lefty, or whatever the fuck you want to call it; they're just petty jackasses.
And odds are? If Bernie wasn't a factor begin with? They'd have voted Trump anyway. Or jut not voted.
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Or at all, from impressions I've been getting. I appreciate his sentiments, I really do, but it seems to me that he's doing serious damage to the Democratic party. I hope I'm wrong and that he ends up sending the Dems further left as a whole, but I'm not seeing that right now, this second.
Of course I like his policies, those are what makes him nonconformist.
He's not a Democrat, but it doesn't really matter.
He's not raising money for downticket Democrats, which is a huge huge huge huge problem.
I mean, he's literally not a Democrat, so I don't get what the conspiracy really is there. The issue is more that he's doing nothing for downticket Dems.
He's not raising money for downticket Democrats, which is a huge huge huge huge problem.
I mean, he's literally not a Democrat, so I don't get what the conspiracy really is there. The issue is more that he's doing nothing for downticket Dems.
Heh. I avoided the first post here because I assumed she said something that would make me cringe. Then her answer is basically, "I don't know. I don't think he thinks he's one, but its up to Democratic voters to decide I guess". Its like the epitome of being nice when she likely really wants to just dig into him! Literally she says "Look, he's raised a lot of important issues that the Democratic Party agrees with, income inequality first and foremost, but it's up to the Democratic primary voters to make that assessment."
I'm just glad within the next few comments here were calling her "petty" and "knifing" along with a few "I can't believe Sanders has to put up with so much abuse" comments. Can't be let down by Sanders supporters and their conspiracy theories.
I'm just glad within the next few comments here were calling her "petty" and "knifing" along with a few "I can't believe Sanders has to put up with so much abuse" comments. Can't be let down by Sanders supporters and their conspiracy theories.
She's done so little to alienate anyone though. She could have attacked his campaign for literally stealing her information but she did not and settled things amicably, has been congratulating him on his wins (something he has not done the same for to her), and agreed to more debates when there realistically should have only been a couple considering how few people were running. He has been the one attacking her character the past month or so.
Reason #75 why I won't be voting for him in the Primary.
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It's not a line of attack, it was answering a simple question
This statement is like the episode of The Simpsons (Lisa's Substitute) where Bart is running for class president against Martin and they're both making signs that say "A vote for Bart is a vote for anarchy" both satisified with the message.
I have my opinions on Sanders, but I don't think anyone would disagree with the statement "He's not really a Democrat."
I have my opinions on Sanders, but I don't think anyone would disagree with the statement "He's not really a Democrat."
And this is an "attack" how, exactly?
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He's not at all, and we all really need to quit the fearmongering that Sanders is somehow ruining everything by running full primary against Clinton. Like, if you don't think that the party can survive Sanders and his supporters then the party is a complete joke. Compared to the GOP races Hillary and Bernie are like best friends who give each other shit every few weeks.
Exactly. The fringe of Bernie supporters that would vote conservative weren't ever going to vote liberal outside of Bernie anyway, it's a net loss of zero which is why when she wins everyone will be scratching their heads as to how she got such a sizable portion of the youth vote as well.
The ones flipping conservative when Bernie loses the nod doesn't worry me at all. They weren't liberal to begin with.
He is a DINO I mean it's pretty much stating the obvious. He's already put in the application to run in Vermont as an Independent again. If/when he loses this particular contest he'll leave the party.
http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/344/201510160200258344/201510160200258344.pdf
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It's pretty sad that actually happened from her camp.
The fact people don't care shows they lack political knowledge.
Bernie isn't going to be a dictator as president. He needs congress in his favor and yet he won't do anything to help that happen.
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One and done. What this thread will turn into in a nutshell.
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Yeah, but Americans can't just wash their hands a be done with it. Because Trump will be president in that scenario, and complaining after the fact will help just as much as it did back in 2000.
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Imagine Ted Cruz vs Bernie Sanders.
Cruz: ''Bernie lauded Fidel Castro, Sanders spent his honey moon in the Soviet Union''
Trump won't be the nominee if the GOP goes to 2nd ballot. Trump is screwed.
a party supported Republican would destroy Bernie Sanders. He will get Dukakissed way worse than the Willie Horton ad and the Massachusetts weekend furlough program.
Dukakis was killing Iran-Contra Bush 41 during the Spring by 15%., Then Dukakis went on a tank ride and got exposed for his State's Weekend Pass for convicted 1st Degree Murderrs. the first CNN debate question: OMG Dukakissed
And has the gall to be complimentary of the issues he's bringing to the table.
I mean, what an inhumane piece of trash amirite berniebros?
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I just wish they'd be outright with it and call her a bitch. Go right the hell ahead and get it out there. She's been catching hell from every angle since before the campaign has started, and people are up her ass because of honest, non-aggressive statements about her opponent.
It's amazing to me. I know that you can't just write off all criticism of Clinton as sexist, but I firmly, firmly believe that she's getting this much because of her gender.
You mean a myth still being perpetuated?
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From the beginning I just assumed that Bernie doesn't contribute to downticket races because he needs every single dollar he can get. I've heard some people liken the democratic primaries to a David and Goliath scenario this go around. When you are going up against Hillary Rodham Clinton you are gonna need every rock you can get your hands on. I could be wrong, but this is what I assumed from the start.
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Yeah this only helps him and hurts her in my eyes. The whole point of his campaign is that he isnt part of the establishment and she is. Shes just confirming that. I dont like the democratic party and the only reason im registering as one now (former independent) is to vote for Sanders. Theres probably a lot of people like me and its probably gonna stick and shift the democrat base farther left and more towards anti establishment canidates in the future. I really dont think someone like Clinton will even be electable in a democratic primary in 10 years.
At this point, these veiled threats are just straight up tired.
Go ahead, try to take the ball and go home. I am, at a personal level, currently thinking the president elected should go against my own interests and increase my taxes significantly and sharply, for the better of the country.
Want to take the ball home and elect the guy that will decrease them instead? Go for it. Have your phyrric, spiteful victory on the backs of immigrants, minorities, and genuinely poor people. If it's "fuck you, got mine", it won't hurt me. I'd rather not think that way, even if I hear disparaging remarks online. I'd vote for Sanders without a second thought.
Nice to see her not flaming Sanders as she or her supporters have been. This talk isn't useful except to a media that wants to see a democrat primary go on a little while longer. She really should avoid this crap or turn it on it's head. Saying it now ticking off sanders supporters is a really incredibly bad idea.
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