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yeah. when he had brief moments of chill there was the lex I thought I was gonna get.
i still don't get why they made him shave his head for like a one minute scene though.
THR: Warner Bros. Mulls Releasing Fewer Films as 'Batman v. Superman' Stalls
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yeah. when he had brief moments of chill there was the lex I thought I was gonna get.
i still don't get why they made him shave his head for like a one minute scene though.
andythinkpad
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It's a superhero movie starring a female lead, that right there is already a gaurantee flop.
It stars a non name actress, strike two.
Coming off BvS is the strike three. Think of the WW openning week BO close to the 3rd or 4th week of BvS is about you will get.
Also, I hope EA make a shitty game for WW, because why not.
It'd be such a cool thing and most of the pieces are there but Synder has poisoned the well super hard now that'll have to be a pipe dream.
They should have made Flash jumping between universes the basis of the film universe instead of lazily copying marvel. Blinded by that $$$ though I guess. Would have been a more interesting way to have a variety of unique movies and tie them together. Plus like you said it could give them an out for any hiccups. Could have had their cake and eat it.
Coming from a studio that greenlighted stuff like PAN, Tarzan, Jupiter Ascending... you shouldn't be surprised. Oh, I know Tarzan isn't out yet, but it's gonna bomb.
They gave us Fury Road at least.
Doing a Flashpoint movie and doing it right is a herculean task. I still can't believe Singer pulled it off with Days of Future Past. He managed to make the bad movies make sense yet still wiped the slate clean to present a new timeline that is fresh and not tarnished by stuff like X3.
And he managed to do it in a movie that was coherent, well directed and well acted. This movie mind you had cast from the new timeline, old timeline and a bunch of new characters thrown in while juggling different timelines all in the same movie.
Snyder is trying to do something similar with BvS and it's a mess that people expected DofP to be when it was first being marketed.
Man of Steel still did alright at the box office and WB assumed that pairing Snyder with Terrio and Affleck would be enough to make a movie with a good enough script and visuals. Then Snyder instead of making Man of Steel 2 told them "you know who would make a great villain for Superman? Batman"... and the suits lapped it up.
Then Snyder told the suits that
. The suits objected to this but then Snyder told them "but what if I called it Dawn of Justice?" and the suits saw BvS as a gateway into JL and signed off on the checks.
Snyder came in with a plan for Man of Steel 2 and then warped into oblivion by adding not only Batman stuff but also JL stuff which turned the movie into a completely different beast altogether.
And he managed to do it in a movie that was coherent, well directed and well acted. This movie mind you had cast from the new timeline, old timeline and a bunch of new characters thrown in while juggling different timelines all in the same movie.
Snyder is trying to do something similar with BvS and it's a mess that people expected DofP to be when it was first being marketed.
Snyder has a long term vision for the DCU. WB saw him as a sort of Kevin Feige, a guy with a long term vision for the entire universe and its characters.
Man of Steel still did alright at the box office and WB assumed that pairing Snyder with Terrio and Affleck would be enough to make a movie with a good enough script and visuals. Then Snyder instead of making Man of Steel 2 told them "you know who would make a great villain for Superman? Batman"... and the suits lapped it up.
Then Snyder told the suits that
he wanted to kill Superman in BvS
Snyder came in with a plan for Man of Steel 2 and then warped into oblivion by adding not only Batman stuff but also JL stuff which turned the movie into a completely different beast altogether.
Thing is, Flashpoint works because it's a horrifyingly dark mirror of all these beloved characters and the world. So far, BvS is already that.
Sibersk Esto
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Lol a flashpoint paradox movie could be the direct sequel, except keep Bruce as batman, and it would fit in this universe.
Flash sees the darkness of this universe and wants to change it for the better.
He goes back in time only he makes thing EVEN worse. Learning from his mistakes he knows how to correct and when he goes back he alters the timeline once again to create a brand new one.
Timeline 1 -> Current BvS/JL timeline with emo Superman and murder Batman all leading up into Superman turning bad with troops like in the Injustice timeline. Flash goes back in time to change it.
Timeline 2 -> Flashpoint timeline, Bruce dies instead of parents, Aquaman and WW at war with each other, Superman held prisoner by the government. Flash goes back in time to fix everything again.
Timeline 3 -> Invasion in MoS happens but the world engines are placed in inhabited zones, invasion clears with no casualties. Superman becomes more confident in himself as a hero. Batman doesn't lose Robin yet and isn't unhinged, more hopeful about humanity and Gotham in general. Batman and Superman meet under amicable terms. Things are going into normal territory.
aka the night is darkest just before the dawn (of Justice).
BadAss2961
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That dickhead Josh from Until Dawn.
Soapbox Killer
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What is Joss Whedon attached to do next? Just saying.
Alandrus Sun
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Marvel killed him, he's done with comic stuff.
Probably can't make a non-Marvel superhero movie for over a decade
Getting some damn sleep.
That after the Joker breaks out after how many times and comes after him, you just don't go "yeah, you can't be rehabilitated. *neck snap*?"
BladeoftheImmortal
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What the fuck is FBAWTFT?
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them = Harry Potter prequel
He wants to create something original next so don't expect him to adapt anything big again any time soon
Alandrus Sun
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Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them.
I figured that out all on my own too and it only took me like two second to think it out.
brochiller
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Have people entertained the idea that the Knightmare sequence is now a alternate reality that will never happen now? I think that was in a universe where the JL was never created which is why Batman is now taking it upon himself to get them all together.
BladeoftheImmortal
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I didn't know a Harry Potter prequel exists
The Knightmare sequence happens because
Lois Lane apparently dies which causes Superman to go rogue and Batman might have been involved. It's possible that the JL still formed but they were unable to stop the invasion. Also the Flash went too far back in time to warn Bruce so the timeline hasn't changed yet.
The Knightmare sequence is still on track to happen.
Superman's gonna get Monked.Going with the casting of Luthor, we'll get something like Steve Buscemi as Darkseid.
Ohh, Rami Malek as Darkseid.
ThoseDeafMutes
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My only comment would be I hope that it doesn't happen until Justice League part 2 - that is, we get one JL film where Superman is more upbeat superman before we see the Justice Lords type supes. Stronger contrast that way. JL part 2 has evil supes and the time travel plot. JL part 1 sets up part 2 in other ways.
Superman is going to be "dead" for most of JL1 anyway. Snyder said he did it on purpose due to Superman being too strong or something. He kinda wanted to write Superman out of the story for the concept of JL to work.
You aren't going to be seeing upbeat Superman for a very long time.
Discotheque
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i like rami malek quite a bit but he can only play one character: nutty crackhead. it's the eyes man.
Alandrus Sun
Banned
Get outta here, he was great as the Pharaoh in "Night at the Museum."
Corronchilejano
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Zuckerlex was fine. The fact that he had Utterly incomprehensible reasons for anything he did was a bigger problem.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Hmm well I can live with that. Wonder which villain(s) they'll roll with for Part 1.
Already Torn
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They really need to just fire all the members of that new regime. If they keep them, they're just going to figure that he problem is Superman.
andythinkpad
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Henry Carvill is too wooden an actor to pull off evil Superman. It's going to be cringe city.
BladeoftheImmortal
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He'd have been fine if he didn't rave like a fucking loon. Just have him be a young smart kid that's insecure having to fill the shoes of his father and bam. Origin story till he becomes the depraved bald sociopath we all know and love.
KonradLaw
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I always assumed Cyborg movie would in reality be a Teen Titans movie. The dude is most interestin in leadership role.
So it was faithful to the comic book then?
Read Lex Luthor: Man of Steel.
His motivations are far from incomprehensible.
And when it isn't a motivation like in that comic it is simply "I'm a criminal and he stops me from doing that".
Alexander Slattery in BvS has the weakest of motivations. "Some people view you as a god, so I'm going to show them that if you are a god you aren't a good one".
That 'weakest of motivations' is from the comics.
So she's just another yes vote for him at the table?
Pretty clear that's the case.
broncobuster
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BvS Lex and LLMoS motivations aren't terribly different. I believe it served as an inspiration for the script; one of many, I'm sure. There are a handful of similarities between the two stories, out of order and context. But I suppose the book from Lex's pov sold his idea effectively. Take how Lex in LLMoS and other books is deceiving himself by believing his actions benefit others. Although that begins to crossover into Batman's delusions in BvS.
KonradLaw
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If it passes 1 bln it will objectively be a success, just not as big as they hoped
It needs 900 million to break even IIRC. It needs 1 billion to be considered a success. Most of that 700 is from the opening weekend. WoM and critical reception is terrible, which makes this movie have no to little legs. Some cinemas are already dropping the movie.
shira
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Dash_Riprock
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Problem is Jungle Book comes out next week which will suck up much of its audience, especially in the international market. And there is even already hints that it won't be #1 this week either.
Ugh, I hate to suggest nepotism is to blame for Snyder's success, but after seeing that...
Which comic?
Being made insecure by an alien who you are afraid you could never match is an entirely different motivation to wanting to prove that a god-like figure isn't benevolent AND omnipotent. The former is Lex Luthor's motivation in LLMoS, the latter is Lex "my dad hit me" Luthor's motivation in BvS. The former is an empathetic qualm, the latter is weakly tying childhood trauma into Lex's animosity for Superman to maintain the 'Superman is a god' theme. It's also partially a weak TDK Joker's plan ripoff.
IIRC it needs to get to around $900 million WW to even deliver low profit for WB.
$1 billion to $ 1.1 billion would make it modest success.
To be blunt I believe it needed to clear $1.2 billion globally to be considered a "hit".
With current projections $1 billion looks out of reach and it may even stop just short of $900 million.
In short its definately underperforming and looks to be on low end of results at best unless it gets a second wind at BO.
Lord Panda
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How about giving Zack Snyder the flick for starters?
ThoseDeafMutes
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ThoseDeafMutes
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