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[KonradLaw]

What makes you think that Zack was responsible for the cinematographic achievements instead of, I don't know, his cinematographer?

Because MoS had different one and yet it still looked like Snyder movie. Plus there's not than just cinematography to it, like costume design, sets, choreography etc. He just knows how to pick people to work it and put it all together.

I don;t know much about movie making, so maybe I'm just ranting. I just love how those movies look and I wish I could get that kind of look in actual good movie.

 

[Dahbomb]

Most of Snyder's movies are done by Larry Fong (BvS, Watchmen, 300). Maybe we should be boosting him up.

They have a new cinematographer for JL though.

 

[KonradLaw]

Most of Snyder's movies are done by Larry Fong (BvS, Watchmen, 300). Maybe we should be boosting him up.

I hope Affleck will pick him up as cinematographer for his solo Batman movie. I loved this version of Batman. How he looked, sounded and moved. If there's one thing that deserves to be saved from BvS and live on in future movies it's this.

 

[Effect]

Edit: Going to try a separate thread for this question.

 

[BadAss2961]

I hope Affleck will pick him up as cinematographer for his solo Batman movie. I loved this version of Batman. How he looked, sounded and moved. If there's one thing that deserves to be saved from BvS and live on in future movies it's this.

No need. Snyder's already set the look and tone for this Batman. Plus he's a producer on all these movies.

I wouldn't worry about a big drop aesthetically or in fighting style going forward. Those two aspects of this Batman are unanimously dope.

 

[Sephzilla]

Ok.

I mean, everything in life has its detractors. Even Jesus. And look what became of him.

 

[Dahbomb]

It's not a Snyder thread without the Jesus analogies.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

The idea that Snyder is a misunderstood artist needs to die.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Because MoS had different one and yet it still looked like Snyder movie. Plus there's not than just cinematography to it, like costume design, sets, choreography etc. He just knows how to pick people to work it and put it all together.

I don;t know much about movie making, so maybe I'm just ranting. I just love how those movies look and I wish I could get that kind of look in actual good movie.

Not really. Many people remarked how different MOS looked compared to the style snyder films have had since picking up Larry Fong.

 

[call_kotaku]

if there's even a 1% chance that something might be disliked, we have to treat it as an absolute certainty that it's the same as Jesus.

Snyder logic prevails

 

[AmaterasuOni]

The idea that Snyder is a misunderstood artist needs to die.

I think he believes he is a misunderstood artist.

 

[BadAss2961]

I heard Fong's not on for Justice League.

Hope they go bright and sunny with this one, with lots of action to keep the pace high. Snyder's yet to do a film like that.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

Ok.

I mean, everything in life has its detractors. Even Jesus. And look what became of him.

Holy shit.

 

[Dahbomb]

I heard Fong's not on for Justice League.

Hope they go bright and sunny with this one, with lots of action to keep the pace high. Snyder's yet to do a film like that.

Yeah there's a new guy. He seems to be mostly used for Game of Thrones.

 

[Skux]

The only thing the franchise needs fewer of is films made by Zack Snyder.

And preferably a reboot.

 

[BadAss2961]

Holy shit.

 

[Garlador]

I think he believes he is a misunderstood artist.

Well, he's certainly gone on record saying his pet project Sucker Punch is still brilliant, but just misunderstood.

 

[Dahbomb]

Watchmen is Snyder's best movie. It is Snyder at his peak nihilism, dour/grim imagery and what he considers to be "mature" content and characters yet it works because it's Watchmen. That stuff would not pass in anything else.

All of his other movies are mediocre at best with some cool imagery, movie ready quotes and action scenes.

 

[GabeTheGrouch76]

Ok.

I mean, everything in life has its detractors. Even Jesus. And look what became of him.

So does this mean we should expect Superman to hung upon a cross in Justice League?

 

[Cuburt]

The idea that Snyder is a misunderstood artist needs to die.

Misunderstood is a proper adjective though since he has a tough time communicating ideas to the audience.

Most people can agree that he has and eye for constructing scenes and action that can't easily be taught, and he has a degree of technical skill. He tries to tackle deeper themes, yet his films lack the heart they need to pull it off so they come off more pretentious/heady and detached, but in a shallow, self-serious way that even critics don't care for. His direction of actors somehow produces superficial/wooden performances, even from talented actors.

If you just see his interviews, he's a guy that isn't great at getting his point across well and he isn't much better at it in his art.

Would it be fair to call his films autistic? I don't mean that in a derogatory way at all, I'm a fan of his, it's just the description seems to fit the more I think about it. He just doesn't make films that resonate with lots of people and what they prefer to look for in a film.

 

[Sblargh]

I think he believes he is a misunderstood artist.

Zack Snyder misunderstands himself.

 

[Dahbomb]

So does this mean we should expect Superman to hung upon a cross in Justice League?

Don't want to spoil the movie here but

Spoiler

that pretty much already happens in the movie complete with the spear of Longinus, cross symbolism and Christ's body wrapped in cloth as he's brought down.

 

[BadAss2961]

Misunderstood is a proper adjective though since he has a tough time communicating ideas to the audience.

Most people can agree that he has and eye for constructing scenes and action that can't easily be taught, and he has a degree of technical skill. He tries to tackle deeper themes, yet his films lack the heart they need to pull it off so they come off more pretentious/heady and detached, but in a shallow, self-serious way that even critics don't care for. His direction of actors somehow produces superficial/wooden performances, even from talented actors.

If you just see his interviews, he's a guy that isn't great at getting his point across well and he isn't much better at it in his art.

Would it be fair to call his films autistic? I don't mean that in a derogatory way at all, I'm a fan of his, it's just the description seems to fit the more I think about it. He just doesn't make films that resonate with lots of people and what they prefer to look for in a film.

Snyder is in fact autistic. A big sitdown article with him showcasing his life confirmed it.

300 has some very, very good performances btw. There's a bit more behind the six packs and spectacle.

 

[Azazzel]

Watchmen is Snyder's best movie. It is Snyder at his peak nihilism, dour/grim imagery and what he considers to be "mature" content and characters yet it works because it's Watchmen. That stuff would not pass in anything else.

All of his other movies are mediocre at best with some cool imagery, movie ready quotes and action scenes.

My friend said once that Snyder's films are perfect 9gag material. Lol

 

[Cuburt]

Watchmen is Snyder's best movie. It is Snyder at his peak nihilism, dour/grim imagery and what he considers to be "mature" content and characters yet it works because it's Watchmen. That stuff would not pass in anything else.

All of his other movies are mediocre at best with some cool imagery, movie ready quotes and action scenes.

It also helps that his determination to recreate every scene in the books verbatim meant that many of the themes come through even if he is more concerned with the imagery.

I know there were people that felt he missed the point with how he portrayed certain things, but regardless if that is the case or not (I'm not so convince he butchered if all that bad since dour/grim is his wheelhouse), the film still works despite of it's flaws. Having never have read the graphic novel before seeing the film, I got everything it was going for because it's there in the story, the imagery, and the dialog. Then you take a scene where it's just about the imagery, like the intro, and he just nails it.

I biggest nitpicks are that some of the acting feels a little flat and the Matrix style action scenes should have felt a little more organic and raw, rather than having a weird polished quality to it, but otherwise, it's a great movie.

 

[Dahbomb]

I thought Snyder was dyslexic not autistic.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

Shame really if this happens, as BvS had so much potential and should have been epic, but was just above average and disappointing.

WB's faith in Snyder was definitely a bad move. He can make a great looking movie but his writing / storytelling skills are really poor and that was the biggest problem with BvS.

Most of Snyders better movies are written by someone else, so if they don't cancel the Justice League movies, they need to get some better writers, if they still want Snyder as director or they are going to have more big problems.

 

[CaviarMeths]

I'm surprised that people are willing to throw the writer under the bus again. Haven't we given Snyder enough chances with enough writers to come to the conclusion that his storytelling sensibilities and are garbage?

And there are things with Batman v Superman that come across as so amateurish, especially the editing, that no, BvS is a crap movie because of Snyder. It's his fault. In every interview of him, he comes across as a buffoon that doesn't even understand the characters he's working with. Everything he's done right was an accident.

 

[Cuburt]

Snyder is in fact autistic. A big sitdown article with him showcasing his life confirmed it.

300 has some very, very good performances btw. There's a bit more behind the six packs and spectacle.

That makes a ton of sense. I feel it could hold him back some in his art since audiences demand more of an emotional connection to the characters and it seems to come across in how there appears to be something lost in the dialog between him and his actors.

I agree that 300 has some great performances, especially by the leads, but I still felt it is missing some quality that allows that to shine. Watchmen has some great acting in it as well, and it still suffers in a similar way. I don't even feel that it's the dialog, it's almost like these actors are acting their heart out in a vacuum. The scenes don't get to breathe with the emotion. The actors don't feel like they get to play off each other and develop some chemistry. Idk, maybe it's something that also gets lost in the editing.

 

[Blader]

I'm still not quite sure how the studio's takeaway from "Batman v Superman isn't the success we wanted" is "Let's do more DC films and less films overall." It's completely backwards.

I thought Snyder was dyslexic not autistic.

Yeah, he's dyslexic.

 

[shortsFortallPeople]

I'm still not quite sure how the studio's takeaway from "Batman v Superman isn't the success we wanted" is "Let's do more DC films and less films overall." It's completely backwards.

It all depends.

Maybe they don't do more DC films but different ones.

There's still plenty of time to cancel Cyborg and Aquaman if needed, maybe we could get a decent superman film and a batman film instead.

 

[Blader]

It all depends.

Maybe they don't do more DC films but different ones.

There's still plenty of time to cancel Cyborg and Aquaman if needed, maybe we could get a decent superman film and a batman film instead.

Well I mean, on the same day this news came out, WB announced two untitled DC films an one "WB event film" whatever that is.

So if BvS isn't the blowout success you wanted it to be, and follows a string of expensive flops over just the past year, why is your next move to double down and add more big expensive movies to the calendar and reduce overall output? That makes the effect of another big budget bomb even greater. Why not diversify into more, modestly budget movies, where if one or a couple fail, you don't need to rethink your entire strategy?

 

[Cuburt]

I thought Snyder was dyslexic not autistic.

Ok, I am finding no articles saying he is autistic and a couple talking about his dyslexia.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

I bet WB will be watching Suicide Squad very closely now. If that flops too, the DCCU could be in trouble, luckily SS look's like it could be a good, fun movie, so hopefully that will make up for BvS's shortcomings.

 

[Alienous]

I bet WB will be watching Suicide Squad very closely now. If that flops too, the DCCU could be in trouble, luckily SS look's like it could be a good, fun movie, so hopefully that will make up for BvS's shortcomings.

If Suicide Squad succeeds the DCCU is in trouble, too.

It would show that, despite Batman v Superman doing very little to promote it and starting the 'cinematic universe' off badly, a relatively standalone DC movie can still see success.

I think the DCCU's future is riding on Wonder Woman at this point.

 

[KonradLaw]

I'm still not quite sure how the studio's takeaway from "Batman v Superman isn't the success we wanted" is "Let's do more DC films and less films overall." It's completely backwards.
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No. It's "BvS wasn't as big as we hoped, so it won't finance the risky bombas we usually put out, so let's focus only on the safe stuff and the only safe stuff we have is DC"

 

[Alienous]

Every so often I have to remind myself that a Batman/Superman movie came and went like it was nothing.

That's an appreciable feat.

 

[kmfdmpig]

If Suicide Squad succeeds the DCCU is in trouble, too.

It would show that, despite Batman v Superman doing very little to promote it and starting the 'cinematic universe' off badly, a relatively standalone DC movie can still see success.

I think the DCCU's future is riding on Wonder Woman at this point.

I think you're right that if they had to choose between WW or SS being a big hit then they would choose WW as it's more directly tied with JL, etc...

With that said, SS doing well would help take some of the negative stigma off of DC movies (outside of Nolan you have Jonah Hex, Green Lantern, MoS, and BvS none of which generate much viewer goodwill) and it would reaffirm for them that these are not destined to lose money.

 

[CadetMahoney]

Every so often I have to remind myself that a Batman/Superman movie came and went like it was nothing.

That's an appreciable feat.

that's deep when you think about it.

 

[BadAss2961]

I thought Snyder was dyslexic not autistic.

That's right, my mistake.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

Most of Snyder's movies are done by Larry Fong (BvS, Watchmen, 300). Maybe we should be boosting him up.

They have a new cinematographer for JL though.

He's amazing then, because all 3 movies have some amazing cinematography, some of the best of the year.

 

[Discotheque]

He's amazing then, because all 3 movies have some amazing cinematography, some of the best of the year.

He's busy with the Kong: Skull Island movie.

they got some meh ass cinematographers for Justice League and Wonder Woman. Man couldn't WB just call up Wally Pfister. Dude's done nothing since leaving Nolan's work and making transcendence.

his tdk trilogy looked great too.

 

[inky]

He went into hiding from all that shame.

 

[BadAss2961]

If Suicide Squad succeeds the DCCU is in trouble, too.

It would show that, despite Batman v Superman doing very little to promote it and starting the 'cinematic universe' off badly, a relatively standalone DC movie can still see success.

I think the DCCU's future is riding on Wonder Woman at this point.

Nah... In no way would Suicide Squad's success be bad for the DCEU, it'll just add needed momentum.

A good movie is a good movie, that's all there is to it.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

They could just make a stand alone movies and not have everything be connected.

 

[Shake Appeal]

Just reboot the whole universe, starting with Batman. Grant Morrison writes, Fincher directs, Affleck is Batman.

 

[Discotheque]

They could just make a stand alone movies and not have everything be connected.

that's the best imo. but nah marvel's changed things too much for the genre. not a lot of people want that anymore.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

that's the best imo. but nah marvel's changed things too much for the genre. not a lot of people want that anymore.

I do, surprisingly.

 

[Alienous]

Nah... In no way would Suicide Squad's success be bad for the DCEU, it'll just add needed momentum.

A good movie is a good movie, that's all there is to it.

Because

They could just make a stand alone movies and not have everything be connected.

of this.

If Suicide Squad is a success it wouldn't be because it benefited from the DCEU concept, it would be because audiences like it. With Batman v Superman doing next to nothing to advertise it, it wouldn't be validation of their cinematic universe plan. You'd need Wonder Woman or Aquaman to be a success for the DCEU to seem like a good idea, otherwise the message will be "Stick Batman or the Joker into a film and it'll be a success", which is something they already know.

I'm not saying Suicide Squad's success would stop them making DCEU films, just that it would probably dissolve the DCEU as a concept more than it would reinforce it.

 

[broncobuster]

that's the best imo. but nah marvel's changed things too much for the genre. not a lot of people want that anymore.

Real shame is George Miller's Justice League never materialized. Not just for, hey, it's George Miller making JL, but WB was about to have Nolan Batman and a separate universe JL coexist. It'd be cool if we had the elseworld stories in addition to mainline.