Captain America: Civil War - Final Trailer

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Slayven said:
I don't rememebr her doing anything that couldn't be explained by TK and telepathy
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Causing visions of the past/future. She gives Thor a preview of the vision he has when he goes into the cave with Selvig. That's not telepathy. She could have no idea about these things.

I also remember her throwing some kind of energy balls.

Hill mentions "neuro-electric interfacing" as another power.
 
Discotheque said:
son of america vs. the man of iron.
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Red said:
Causing visions of the past/future. She gives Thor a preview of the vision he has when he goes into the cave with Selvig. That's not telepathy. She could have no idea about these things.

I also remember her throwing some kind of energy balls.

Hill mentions "neuro-electric interfacing" as another power.
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Infinity stone, bro. Aint gotta explain shit.

Thor does see the future in his vision (he sees Vision's eyes) but he actually doesn't see anything new about his vision with Heimdall when he's in the pool, just the infinity stones.
 
guek said:
Infinity stone, bro. Aint gotta explain shit.

Thor does see the future in his vision (he sees Vision's eyes) but he actually doesn't see anything new about his vision with Heimdall when he's in the pool, just the infinity stones.
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I'd rather they explained that magic pool than to attempt to explain Scarlet Witch's power (where no explanation would be for the best).
 
Red said:
Causing visions of the past/future. She gives Thor a preview of the vision he has when he goes into the cave with Selvig. That's not telepathy. She could have no idea about these things.

I also remember her throwing some kind of energy balls.

Hill mentions "neuro-electric interfacing" as another power.
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Obviouslly no one can predict how her powers would work on alien minds, and TK balls are thing. She was taking apart ultrons on a molecular level, that is high level stuff.
 
The problem I have with unexplained powers is it allows new powers to emerge for convenience's sake. She can do whatever she needs to do in the moment, because it looks cool or the plot demands it, and we have no grasp of her stakes or limitations. In Ultron, all she had to lose was her brother. She lost him. She freaks out and lets one of the Ultronnettes flip the switch. We know she has trouble protecting other people, other things, but she never feels at risk herself. With Quicksilver dead there is nothing to anchor her emotionally. Without clarity there is little reason to invest in her character.
Slayven said:
Obviouslly no one can predict how her powers would work on alien minds, and TK balls are thing. She was taking apart ultrons on a molecular level, that is high level stuff.
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She also reads Ultron's mind, despite him not having a brain.

Vision's abilities were also poorly explained but seemed a more direct translation from the comics. It was easier to grasp what he could do, whereas SW had this nebulous goop that she could throw or put in people's heads or splash around when she was angry.
 
Discotheque said:
please no. why would you want more of that scene.
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I WANT to understand the logistics behind that magic pool. Nay, I NEED to understand why it had the power to make Thor's decisions for him.

Scarlet Witch on the other hand is a Jedi. She can pull as many powers out of her ass as possible and I won't even blink twice.
 
jackdoe said:
I'd rather they explained that magic pool than to attempt to explain Scarlet Witch's power (where no explanation would be for the best).
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The original concept for the pool was better (Thor is possessed by clairvoyant spirits) but the actual deleted scene depicting that felt uneven. I dunno, there was probably a better scene overall lost in editing.
 
jackdoe said:
I'd rather they explained that magic pool than to attempt to explain Scarlet Witch's power (where no explanation would be for the best).
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stuff got cut

"The original scene was that he went to speak to the Norns," Whedon said, referring to female beings in Norse mythology who control destiny. Basically, Norns are analogous to The Fates in Greek Mythology. "How it would work was, he goes into the pool, and the Norns possess him, basically. And Erik Selvig asks all the questions, and the Norns, speaking through Thor, give the answers."

The scene, as originally written and shot, didn't play well for test audiences, Whedon said. He has a couple theories about that. First, the test audiences saw an effects-sparse early cut. And it's also the kind of scene that would work well in a Thor movie steeped in Norse mythology, but not so well in an Avengers movie. Thus, almost all of that was lost in the theatrical cut.
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Red said:
The problem I have with unexplained powers is it allows new powers to emerge for convenience's sake. She can do whatever she needs to do in the moment, because it looks cool or the plot demands it, and we have no grasp of her stakes or limitations. In Ultron, all she had to lose was her brother. She lost him. She freaks out and lets one of the Ultronnettes flip the switch. We know she has trouble protecting other people, other things, but she never feels at risk herself. With Quicksilver dead there is nothing to anchor her emotionally. Without clarity there is little reason to invest in her character.

She also reads Ultron's mind, despite him not having a brain.
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His consciousness comes from the "Mind" gem, source of unlimited psychic energy
 
guek said:
The original concept for the pool was better (Thor is possessed by clairvoyant spirits) but the actual deleted scene depicting that felt uneven. I dunno, there was probably a better scene overall lost in editing.
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Sibersk Esto said:
stuff got cut

"The original scene was that he went to speak to the Norns," Whedon said, referring to female beings in Norse mythology who control destiny. Basically, Norns are analogous to The Fates in Greek Mythology. "How it would work was, he goes into the pool, and the Norns possess him, basically. And Erik Selvig asks all the questions, and the Norns, speaking through Thor, give the answers."

The scene, as originally written and shot, didn't play well for test audiences, Whedon said. He has a couple theories about that. First, the test audiences saw an effects-sparse early cut. And it's also the kind of scene that would work well in a Thor movie steeped in Norse mythology, but not so well in an Avengers movie. Thus, almost all of that was lost in the theatrical cut.
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Man, test audiences were sooooo completely off the ball with that one and I wish they had stuck to their guns for this scene.
 
Red said:
The problem I have with unexplained powers is it allows new powers to emerge for convenience's sake. She can do whatever she needs to do in the moment, because it looks cool or the plot demands it, and we have no grasp of her stakes or limitations. In Ultron, all she had to lose was her brother. She lost him. She freaks out and lets one of the Ultronnettes flip the switch. We know she has trouble protecting other people, other things, but she never feels at risk herself. With Quicksilver dead there is nothing to anchor her emotionally. Without clarity there is little reason to invest in her character.

She also reads Ultron's mind, despite him not having a brain.

Vision's abilities were also poorly explained but seemed a more direct translation from the comics. It was easier to grasp what he could do, whereas SW had this nebulous goop that she could throw or put in people's heads or splash around when she was angry.
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She can read Ultron's especifically when he has a body with a brain on it. I mean, it's a major plot point in the movie.

Edit: I will save myself by saying that when I said brain, I totally meant that t infinity stone is like a brain. Obviously.
 
Quick said:
Captain America: Civil War |OT| The Greatest Gladiator Match in the History of the World
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Please don't do this or anything related to BvS. It will just lead to fanboy talk for the first few pages and likely end with a mod changing the title.
 
A big appeal of scarlet witch in the comics is how her powers are weird and unpredictable. Casting a hex has the effect of "bad luck" happening; chaos magic is exactly as it sounds, as unclear as it sounds, the same with "reality altering".

Movie witch has a long way to go before her powers are nearly as bonkers and unexplainable as comic book witch.
I do maintain that is part of the character. She's not meant to be a heavy hitting magic missile, but rather a chaotic force of nature.
 
Sblargh said:
A big appeal of scarlet witch in the comics is how her powers are weird and unpredictable. Casting a hex has the effect of "bad luck" happening; chaos magic is exactly as it sounds, as unclear as it sounds, the same with "reality altering".

Movie witch has a long way to go before her powers are nearly as bonkers and unexplainable as comic book witch.
I do maintain that is part of the character. She's not meant to be a heavy hitting magic missile, but rather a chaotic force of nature.
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Fun fact, if she hadn't been born next Mt.Wundagore she would have just been a generic energy blasting superhuman.
 
I have no problem with SW in the comics. In the MCU she feels incongruous. We'll see if Civil War sets parameters for her.

I think manipulating probabilities (is that what she's still doing?) is a cool, creative power. MCU Scarlet Witch does not seem to follow that mold.
 
Bigfoot said:
Please don't do this or anything related to BvS. It will just lead to fanboy talk for the first few pages and likely end with a mod changing the title.
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Agreed. I also don't want to be forced to think about BvS every time I see the thread. I rather go for the simple titles like the "Hey Everyone" or "United We Stand", "Divided We Fall", etc.
 
Bigfoot said:
Please don't do this or anything related to BvS. It will just lead to fanboy talk for the first few pages and likely end with a mod changing the title.
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dabig2 said:
Agreed. I also don't want to be forced to think about BvS every time I see the thread. I rather go for the simple titles like the "Hey Everyone" or "United We Stand", "Divided We Fall", etc.
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We have a month before the movie comes out and when I put the OT up, I'm sure we can all come up with something better by then.
 
Red said:
I have no problem with SW in the comics. In the MCU she feels incongruous. We'll see if Civil War sets parameters for her.

I think manipulating probabilities (is that what she's still doing?) is a cool, creative power. MCU Scarlet Witch does not seem to follow that mold.
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Feige said that would be Strange's thing.

Maybe she just doesn't have a grasp on her powers yet. She could train with him.



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Captain America: Civil War |OT| #TeamAntman vs. #TeamPanther
Captain America: Civil War |OT| Hey Everyone

Plus the OT should have the main image similar to this...

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Red said:
Causing visions of the past/future. She gives Thor a preview of the vision he has when he goes into the cave with Selvig. That's not telepathy. She could have no idea about these things.

I also remember her throwing some kind of energy balls.

Hill mentions "neuro-electric interfacing" as another power.
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i.e. the Red Olsen Sister has plot device powers.
 
Quick said:
Captain America: Civil War |OT| The Greatest Gladiator Match in the History of the World
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I generally approve/enjoy of troll-ish thread titles like that, but I dunno, I kind of feel sorry for DC-GAF. They waited 3yrs for a new movie, and what they got after all that time was BvS....even if I did enjoy it.


Finding Zemo gets my vote.
 
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