Sanders supporters (NOT CAMPAIGN) creating Super Delegate Hit List

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afreaknamedpete said:
Although superdelegates follow the pledged delegates in practice its strange to me that they are allowed; by essentially PERSONAL opinion one single vote by a super is equivalent to the combined vote of thousands of people. It's the principle of the matter, even if supers have not overwrought a popular candidate the fact that the option exists implies how the democratic party is not willing to select candidates based solely on the will of the people. I think the sheer existence of supers is a midfle finger to democracy.
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y'all wanna read my posts sometime today?
 
I don't know what a campaign for a guy who wants to tear own the establishment expects the establishment to do in response to that other than flock to the other candidate easily.

Some Bernie supporters are delusional about the political process. You can't run as an outsider and then still get to whine when the establishment isn't supporting you.

How about you stump and fundraise for some down ticket races. You aren't even a real Democrat.
 
I've said it before, but doesn't this all seem very familiar to a GG situation?

Sure it's all "ethics in politics" now, but you could see that it's one step closer to just blindly lashing out at anyone who disagrees with them.

We're already entering the harassment stage. Next time people might get SWATed.
 
Alandrus Sun said:
Can you name a single time when super delegates undermined democracy by going against the will of the people?
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Some superdelegates are also lobbyist working against public interest

Jeff Berman, well-known for his delegate-strategy work in the past, is being paid by the Hillary Clinton campaign to organize her delegate-counting effort while himself being a superdelegate. A “top lobbyist” at Bryan Cave LLP, Berman previously worked as a lobbyist for the private prison company Geo Group and as a lobbyist helping TransCanada build support for the Keystone XL.

Bill Shaheen is one of the six New Hampshire superdelegates to endorse Clinton. Shaheen is a prolific party fundraiser, and his law firm is registered to lobby local officials in the state. The most recently available lobbying records show that Shaheen’s firm is registered to lobby on behalf of the American Council of Life Insurers and PainCare Centers, among other clients. PainCare has faced increasing scrutiny as local officials have noted that eight of the 10 most prolific opioid prescribers in New Hampshire’s Medicaid program worked for PainCare. The flood of prescription painkillers has fueled the heroin epidemic in the region, as four out of five heroin addicts report beginning their drug habit with opioids. Bill is the husband of Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H.

Joanne Dowdell, another New Hampshire superdelegate, is the senior vice president for global government affairs at News Corporation, the parent company of Fox News. Federal Election Commission reports show Dowdell has contributed directly to multiple Democrats as well as to the News Corp PAC, a company committee that splits its donations between lawmakers of both parties. The News Corp government affairs division works to lobby public officials and regulators.

Superdelegates Jill Alper, Minyon Moore, and Maria Cardona are officials at Dewey Square Group, a lobbying firm that is closely affiliated with the Clinton campaign and retained by the Clinton-supporting Super PACs Priorities USA Action and Correct the Record. Alper and Moore are Clinton advisers who have raised over $100,000 for her campaign. Dewey Square Group, as we’ve reported, was retained by the health insurance industry to undermine health reform efforts in 2009, including proposals to change Medicare Advantage. The firm has previously worked to influence policy on behalf of Enron, Countrywide, Citigroup, Coca-Cola, the U.S. Telecom Association and News Corporation.

Jennifer Cunningham is the managing director of SKDKnickerbocker, a political consulting firm that provides a variety of services, including advertising and direct lobbying of public officials. In recent years, SKDKnickerbocker helped a coalition of corporate clients lobby the Obama administration on a tax cut for overseas earnings; lobbied for weakened rules governing for-profit colleges; and helped a food industry group undermine Michelle Obama’s nutrition guidelines for foods marketed to children. Recent records show that the firm is providing consulting work for Independence USA PAC, the Super PAC backed by billionaire Michael Bloomberg.

Tonio Burgos, a fundraiser for Clinton, is a lobbyist registered to influence New York City officials. Burgos’ current client list includes Verizon, Pfizer, and American Airlines.
Emily Giske, also a lobbyist in New York City, is registered to work on behalf of Airbnb, Yum Brands (the parent company of Taco Bell), Pfizer, and the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association, a trade group for Wall Street firms such as Goldman Sachs, Fidelity, and Bank of America.
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But yeah be more outraged that there are crazy people on the internet
 
Somnid said:
It's all in the details. Death threats and harassments aren't cool but I don't think there is any reason delegates shouldn't be be slammed with people telling them how to vote. Expecting otherwise is the antithesis of democracy, they are supposed to represent the will of the people.
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No they're not. Pledged delegates represent the will of the people. Superdelegates represent the interests of the party. A process that takes both into account is how it was meant to be and how it should be.

Oh, and if Superdelegates voted in accordance to who won their state, Bernie would still be losing.
 
smurfx said:
i'm glad the bernie campaign happened. it just made me reaffirm what i believed about many liberals and how they truly feel about minorities.
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This. It's been shown before but I never like this I think. It's been so insanely overt that I hope people don't forget it going forward.
 
Lobbying isn't inherently evil. In fact, it's one of the best ways for groups of Americans to have their voices heard.
 
Trouble said:
Death throes.
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Pretty much
ArkhamFantasy said:
Why were they created in the first place?

*EDIT* I do not support harassment of any kind, but lets not pretend like super delegates are good for democracy.
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Fun fact the guy running Sanders campaign actually help come up with them

So this is actually hilarious
"They said, you know, you should go to hell," said Ensley, describing another message. "How dare you vote against your own interests as an African-American woman. I expected you would be smarter than that."
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Sanders supporters bringing back the classics I see
 
Sanders coalition is like the opposite of Obama's. Tone deaf rhetoric and talking points, and completely clueless in how to bring people together, esp minorities. I can't wait til this campaign disappears and he goes back to being an Independent.
 
maybe so, but the assholes do seem like they comprise more of the sanders campaign, proportionally speaking. you don't really see as many members of clinton's rank-and-file support pulling shit like this

(they're still better than the GOP campaigns, though)
 
Hey, was there a thread created about how so many clinton supporters were mocking Jane sanders? How they started a disgusting hash tag and everything? Just wondering
 
The Bernie campaign has told their supporters not to bother superdelegates. People that want to send messages to their superdelegates are constantly told by other Bernie supporters to do something more productive. It doesn't even make sense to do this now while Bernie is behind the pledged delegate count and before NY and CA.
 
XBP said:
Hey, was there a thread created about how so many clinton supporters were mocking Jane sanders? How they started a disgusting hash tag and everything? Just wondering
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maybe you should start one if it's that important to you.
 
The only reason I'd vote for Sanders in the upcoming election is not really a vote for him, but against the craziness of the Republican Party. His rethoric, lack of specifics, and countless insinuations have soured me far too much. At one point I was ok with either Hillary or Bernie; this is so so so not the case anymore. His supporters have done nothing but further increase that divide.
 
eBay Huckster said:
y'all wanna read my posts sometime today?
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Well You're right that I didn't read the harvard article you posted. Though my opinion remains unchanged after doing so. I do not disagree that Kennedy's attempt at taking Carter's Delegates was fucked up and undemocratic (especially if Wikipedia is right carter had like 65% of delegates). But do you think Superdelegates are the solution and are democratic? The harvard article even states thr justification as giving more power to party officials as the rationale. Wikipedia quotes an official as saying supers mainly exist to protect against grassroots populists. Supers leave the option on the table for party officials and hell even personal positions to supercede someone with more real delegates that were voted for.
 
So basically Sanders supporters are adopting the same underhanded tactics as Trump supporters then?
 
I was neutral to Bernie awhile ago but as time goes on its become clear. He needs to go,everything he's doing is dividing the democratic party and asinine yet hypocritical at best. This is the same guy that goes after Clinton for fundraising,but never tells you that most of that fundraising money goes to the down ballot which he has no interest all all in supporting. How are you gonna get things done if your president and have no ''Dems'' to support you? Political revolution my ass!

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bernie-sanders-fundraise-down-ballot-democrats-maddow
 
All this talk of supers being anti democratic is very strange. The Democratic Party is a private political organization, not a branch of the government. They can have whatever rules they want, and for most of America's existence, we didn't even have primaries involving the general public.

That being said, whoever goes into the convention with the most pledged delegates will have the support of the supers, as it should be.
 
Maybe if Bernie wasn't losing so thoroughly in terms of actual delegates, he wouldn't need to bitch so much about the supers.

He's got no chance in New York, his run ends there.
 
Chaos2Frozen said:
I've said it before, but doesn't this all seem very familiar to a GG situation?

Sure it's all "ethics in politics" now, but you could see that it's one step closer to just blindly lashing out at anyone who disagrees with them.

We're already entering the harassment stage. Next time people might get SWATed.
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You should see what many of these Sanders supporters are saying about the "mainstream media".

It really is alarming.
 
OceanBlue said:
I don't understand why you would post this. Are you saying that people being harassed is not an issue because some delegates are lobbyists? There are 714 superdelegates. At best this reads as whataboutism, but at worst this reads as dehumanization of people because of their jobs.
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All I'm saying is to keep perspective, we've all been on the internet before. There is no indication that this small subset of vocal supporters are either working for the campaign itself or speaking on behalf of the majority of Sanders supporters.

You can find people saying or doing mean things to each other if you look for it. That is in no way justifying their actions. I prefer to ill-legitimize such voices by not even acknowledging them in the first place.

People get emotional when it comes to politics. It should be easy to understand why the ugliest side of humanity creeps to the surface when greed is so brazenly subverting democracy.
 
Matt said:
All this talk of supers being anti democratic is very strange. The Democratic Party is a private political organization, not a branch of the government. They can have whatever rules they want, and for most of America's existence, we didn't even have primaries involving the general public.

That being said, whoever goes into the convention with the most pledged delegates will have the support of the supers, as it should be.
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I think about it like ideals vs reality. In reality the Democrstic Party can pick whatever rules it wants. But ideally you would think a "Democratic" party should be more... democratic. I think Supers recognize how bizarre it would be if the actual pledged winner is overwritten by superdelegates, but that begs the question if supers all vote alongside pledged delegates anyways why do supers continue to exist? And I think the answer is that the DNC wants the option of blocking off populist figures, like if Trump ran as a democrat.
 
Good

We should get rid of superdelegates

Democrats ARE better than Republicans and they shouldn't have a more transparent election process
 
Ugh Sanders supporters are genuinely the worst advocates for their candidate I've seen in a long time. Stuff like this is just saddening. Don't take your cues from gamergate, guys.
 
Bel Marduk said:
Good

We should get rid of superdelegates

Democrats ARE better than Republicans and they shouldn't have a more transparent election process
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Only if we can also get rid of caucuses, which are just as bad.

afreaknamedpete said:
I think about it like ideals vs reality. In reality the Democrstic Party can pick whatever rules it wants. But ideally you would think a "Democratic" party should be more... democratic. I think Supers recognize how bizarre it would be if the actual pledged winner is overwritten by superdelegates, but that begs the question if supers all vote alongside pledged delegates anyways why do supers continue to exist? And I think the answer is that the DNC wants the option of blocking off populist figures, like if Trump ran as a democrat.
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It's more to allow the eventual winner to shift focus to the general election sooner.
 
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