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[Prodigal Son]

No, that person was just woefully misinformed...or lying...or had some other issues or bias...

Very many independents aren't committed to a specific political ideology. Their vote goes to who they 'feel.'
Rubio is young and cute and Bernie is genuine and passionate. That's enough for many.

 

[pigeon]

Older posters. His overwhelmingly vocal support on social media also turned off a lot of gaf. We tend to embrace the rejection of the mainstream. Who knew it'd apply to politics too?

No, I think it's just that Bernie has pretty poor policy proposals on a lot of topics, as has been discussed over and over in these threads.

 

[McBryBry]

As a Bernie supporter, I still root for him and hope he can pull out wins. But it's like every time someone so much as mentions any idea of Bernie winning anything, we get a bunch of numbers thrown around about how WRONG we are and that we'll never be right. Who cares? We have our candidate. Let us cheer for him instead of shoving it down my throat about how WRONG WRONG WRONG I am. Sorry I don't like Hillary.

Note: I didn't really like math class either.

 

[Prodigal Son]

No, I think it's just that Bernie has pretty poor policy proposals on a lot of topics, as has been discussed over and over in these threads.

I guess it's never discussed elsewhere. Or is NeoGaf somehow special?

Edit: Yeah I think gaf is just special. People don't really discuss policy specifics outside of this obscure video-game forum.

 

[Spinifex]

You guys have been demonizing Bernie and his supporters this entire election. There have been at least a dozen threads made to bully, discourage, and shame Bernie supporters.

I have seen many of you guys compare him to Trump, say he is worse than Trump, and give him countless disgusting insults that I will not mention.

I honestly never expected that he would be treated this way by a self-proclaimed progressive forum.

When this election started, I was one of the only people in this entire forum telling both sides to stop fighting. I urged everyone to stop the in-fighting because it would cause a rift between the party that would discourage Bernie supporters from voting in the general election. A few months later, and the fighting has only worsened between both sides.

We aren't the awful people you think we are. We're people with emotions who care about how this country.

GAF is an interesting microcosm and would make for a great case study in how groups coalesce around certain thoughts and ideals. Certain things at certain points become absolute anathema. Bernie is one of those things right now, and all the stops are being pulled out to prove his supporters don't really understand how misinformed they all are. They must be shown the error of their ways, in the most condescending manner where appropriate.

 

[Matt]

Very many independents aren't committed to a specific political ideology. Their vote goes to who they 'feel.'
Rubio is young and cute and Bernie is genuine and passionate. That's enough for many.

In that case it would mean this person had basically no political beliefs, period.

 

[ISOM]

As a Bernie supporter, I still root for him and hope he can pull out wins. But it's like every time someone so much as mentions any idea of Bernie winning anything, we get a bunch of numbers thrown around about how WRONG we are and that we'll never be right. Who cares? We have our candidate. Let us cheer for him instead of shoving it down my throat about how WRONG WRONG WRONG I am. Sorry I don't like Hillary.

Note: I didn't really like math class either.

You sound like Republicans/the right during the 2012 presidential election. They didn't want to hear numbers, they don't want to hear anything other than rah rah bs for their candidate. Well sorry, just because you don't like it doesn't mean that people should stop doing it. If you want just Bernie cheerleading, it's best to do it with like minded folks on twitter perhaps.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

I believe Bernie supporters mostly want what they believe to be the best for their country, same as most Hillary supporters.

Speak for yourself. I support Bernie, and I only want to oppress women and people of color, and for the President to accomplish none of his lofty goals. Forget this "best for my country" nonsense.

 

[Prodigal Son]

In that case it would mean this person had basically no political beliefs, period.

You're not even wrong. Most people don't care or give it much thought until they're socially pressured to show up at the booths in November.

Most millennials anyway.

 

[Ogrekiller]

Speak for yourself. I support Bernie, and I only want to oppress women and people of color, and for the President to accomplish none of his lofty goals. Forget this "best for my country" nonsense.

The sad thing is that this could easily win you the Republican nomination.

 

[giga]

Very many independents aren't very bright. Their vote goes to who they 'feel.'
Rubio is young and cute and Bernie is genuine and passionate. That's enough for many.

Adjusted that for you.

 

[Blader]

As a Bernie supporter, I still root for him and hope he can pull out wins. But it's like every time someone so much as mentions any idea of Bernie winning anything, we get a bunch of numbers thrown around about how WRONG we are and that we'll never be right. Who cares? We have our candidate. Let us cheer for him instead of shoving it down my throat about how WRONG WRONG WRONG I am. Sorry I don't like Hillary.

Note: I didn't really like math class either.

I can understand it must be a perpetual bummer every time Bernie wins a state only to have the pile on of Hildawg posters hammer home how her delegate lead still makes it extremely unlikely for Bernie to win the nomination. You said it yourself: you've got your guy, you're cheering him on, he's doing extremely well for himself, why does everyone have to be such a fucking buzzkill every time he wins?

But posts like yours are exactly why some, tactfully or not, have to always bring up the numbers game. Because the math doesn't support a Bernie nomination. And every time he picks up a new state and talks about how his campaign has picked up a new momentum, how he's creating a political revolution, how they are on a pathway to the nomination, it raises unrealistic expectations among his supporters. Many of whom -- not that this applies to you specifically, but does to thousands if not millions of others -- have either never voted before or never given a shit about politics before. And when those expectations are dashed by the real world numbers that decide who is nominated and who isn't, it leads to some bitter disappointment among the Bernie camp. Which is partly why we end up seeing Bernie supporters say they'll vote Trump in the general or not vote at all if their guy doesn't get nominated.

Maybe you don't give a shit about the numbers. But ignoring them doesn't change them or how they affect the race. Regardless of which side you're on -- Hillary or Bernie, Republican or Democrat -- it's important to maintain some perspective on what is actually going on in this election.

 

[Matt]

You're not even wrong. Most people don't care or give it much thought until they're socially pressured to show up at the booths in November.

Most millennials anyway.

For a lot of issues, sure. But it would be hard to reach that age and have no opinion on, say, abortion rights.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Adjusted that for you.

Yeah, I don't judge people's rationality from their political leanings. There's more to a person than that. You do you though.

For a lot of issues, sure. But it would be hard to reach that age and have no opinion on, say, abortion rights.

I wish you were right. Many college kids don't care unless they're pressed with giving a response. 'Sure, whatever' is the general sentiment.

 

[McBryBry]

You sound like Republicans/the right during the 2012 presidential election. They didn't want to hear numbers, they don't want to hear anything other than rah rah bs for their candidate. Well sorry, just because you don't like it doesn't mean that people should stop doing it. If you want just Bernie cheerleading, it's best to do it with like minded folks on twitter perhaps.

It's not so much that I want Bernie cheerleading. It's that, instead of some of the borderline venomous responses I'm seeing because "I'm wrong," a little more civil debate would be nice. Not saying my side is innocent in that either I guess. I just come to GAF wanting news, and it's hard to get through this thread because everyone is ready to slit each other's throats.

I can understand it must be a perpetual bummer every time Bernie wins a state only to have the pile on of Hildawg posters hammer home how her delegate lead still makes it extremely unlikely for Bernie to win the nomination. You said it yourself: you've got your guy, you're cheering him on, he's doing extremely well for himself, why does everyone have to be such a fucking buzzkill every time he wins?

But posts like yours are exactly why some, tactfully or not, have to always bring up the numbers game. Because the math doesn't support a Bernie nomination. And every time he picks up a new state and talks about how his campaign has picked up a new momentum, how he's creating a political revolution, how they are on a pathway to the nomination, it raises unrealistic expectations among his supporters. Many of whom -- not that this applies to you specifically, but does to thousands if not millions of others -- have either never voted before or never given a shit about politics before. And when those expectations are dashed by the real world numbers that decide who is nominated and who isn't, it leads to some bitter disappointment among the Bernie camp. Which is partly why we end up seeing Bernie supporters say they'll vote Trump in the general or not vote at all if their guy doesn't get nominated.

Maybe you don't give a shit about the numbers. But ignoring them doesn't change them or how they affect the race. Regardless of which side you're on -- Hillary or Bernie, Republican or Democrat -- it's important to maintain some perspective on what is actually going on in this election.

Totally get what you mean. I know the numbers are still important. Like I said above, I think it might be less the actual mentioning of numbers, more the fact that everyone seems ready to bite each other's heads off instead of having a good discussion.

 

[JVIDICAN]

As a Bernie supporter, I still root for him and hope he can pull out wins. But it's like every time someone so much as mentions any idea of Bernie winning anything, we get a bunch of numbers thrown around about how WRONG we are and that we'll never be right. Who cares? We have our candidate. Let us cheer for him instead of shoving it down my throat about how WRONG WRONG WRONG I am. Sorry I don't like Hillary.

Note: I didn't really like math class either.

Same here. I fully expect Hillary to be the nominee and will vote for her come fall. But in the meantime I will continue to support the candidate that matches my ideals and root for him till the end.

 

[T'Zariah]

I don't think anyone here hates Bernie. I think some of his actions, and some of the actions of his campaign, are wearing on some people's nerves, but no one that I know hates him. My opinion of him from the beginning of the primary until now has definitely soured, though. Not going to lie.

But, your last comment is one of the things that some of us Hillary supporters just get annoyed to death with. Hillary has fought for access to universal health care for her entire adult life. She was beaten to a pulp over it in the 90s. Before Obamacare there was Hillarycare. Hillary worked to pass the biggest health care reform since Medicare! (CHIP). So, a ot of us get frustrated when the great things she does, has done and will do are simply brushed off because "HillaryGAF is just awful."

It's disingenuous to her and to our support of her.

Speak for yourself. Dude's an A-Grade asshole.

 

[Cipherr]

That's why the sooner this is over the better. Everyone feels like buzzkills to you because they are saying something you dont want to hear. And its not all their fault.

This race has been over for WEEKS, and the dragging out that we have had for the last month is the real reason behind all these hurt feelings and whatnot. This stuff should be tightened up significantly to happen in a much shorter span of time, or get the big delegate states situated first if possible to remove the lingering "But what if...."'s that fuel this stuff.

Speak for yourself. Dude's an A-Grade asshole.

He has only started to show his ass as of about 3 to 4 weeks ago though. Its this... process man. I suppose I'm not upset that I have gotten a closer glimpse into his psyche since he started losing thoroughly, but I'm just so exhausted with the whole thing now that I'm ready to move on. Bring on NY and CA and put this crap to bed.

 

[Prodigal Son]

I don't think anyone here hates Bernie

Speak for yourself. Dude's an A-Grade asshole.

Hoo do i believe

 

[HariKari]

Speak for yourself. Dude's an A-Grade asshole.

How?

 

[giga]

Yeah, I don't judge people's rationality from their political leanings. There's more to a person than that. You do you though.

Who said being politically irrational makes you less of a person?

 

[Prodigal Son]

Who said being politically irrational makes you less of a person?

Yeah, I guess you didn't say that. I wouldn't outright dismiss someone as not being 'bright' though because we disagree on policy substance.

Spoiler

Not to their face anyway

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I'm surprised at how much a supposedly left wing forum hates Bernie. I mean, despite his flaws, he speaks of relevant and topical issues. You'd think that he'd at least be respected for that. Can't see Hillary being bold enough to advocate for true universal healthcare, for instance. I believe Bernie supporters mostly want what they believe to be the best for their country, same as most Hillary supporters.

People can agree with everything he says and still think he isn't cut out for the job, you know. There's more to picking a president than just the nice things he says, because all politicians say nice things. Bernie isn't perfect and has faults about this that have nothing to do with his positions on issues. His down ticket support, for example. It's junk. And without it, he can't do anything. And he runs the risk of states going backwards, not forwards, despite Bernie being further left than Hillary, due entirely to down ticket support.

 

[giga]

Yeah, I guess you didn't say that. I wouldn't outright dismiss someone as not being 'bright' though because we disagree on policy substance.

Spoiler

Not to their face anyway

I have no problems admitting that I find people who vote on presidential candidates by how they "feel" and not on their stated (or past) policy positions as outright irrational [irrational is a soft way of putting it; I could find sharper adjectives if needed] and irresponsible.

 

[Prodigal Son]

I have no problems admitting that I find people who vote on presidential candidates by how they "feel" and not on their stated (or past) policy positions as outright irrational [irrational is a soft way of putting it; I could find sharper adjectives if needed] and irresponsible.

Maybe the presidency doesn't mean a whole lot to them. I guess that is pretty irrational.
Many Americans just couldn't be more apathetic to their political climate. Us 'llenials are cool like that, especially.

 

[Mr. RPG]

I can't say that I am shocked that I didn't get a response.

No one wants to admit that what I said in the last page is true. I'm disappointed.

I'm missing the gaming side a lot right now.

 

[dramatis]

As a Bernie supporter, I still root for him and hope he can pull out wins. But it's like every time someone so much as mentions any idea of Bernie winning anything, we get a bunch of numbers thrown around about how WRONG we are and that we'll never be right. Who cares? We have our candidate. Let us cheer for him instead of shoving it down my throat about how WRONG WRONG WRONG I am. Sorry I don't like Hillary.

Note: I didn't really like math class either.

An argument based on math is, in my opinion, significantly more mild than the eternal attacks on Hillary's character, with a range of adjectives such as 'disgusting', 'despicable', 'liar', 'criminal', 'hag', 'unlikeable', 'dishonest', and so on.

If you're so irritated by people telling you how wrong you are based on math and numbers, imagine what it's like being constantly told how wrong you are based on irrational, hateful feelings. Those attacks started from June/July last year! Most sour feeling towards Bernie did not start until the past month, and even then it's quite tepid.

I can't say that I am shocked that I didn't get a response.

No one wants to admit that what I said in the last page is true. I'm disappointed.

I'm missing the gaming side a lot right now.

You're fishing for people to get banned, that's why people are ignoring you. Most of what you said was false too, so why should people say what you said was true?

 

[Mr. RPG]

You're fishing for people to get banned, that's why people are ignoring you. Most of what you said was false too, so why should people say what you said was true?

You know that isn't true.

I mean, there's evidence of what I said on this exact page!

 

[Leona Lewis]

I can't say that I am shocked that I didn't get a response.

No one wants to admit that what I said in the last page is true. I'm disappointed.

I'm missing the gaming side a lot right now.

People aren't responding to you because blanket characterizations of an entire community are inherently intellectually dishonest.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I like how the Liberal Purity Test™ never takes gun control into account. Probably because then not even Bernie himself would pass.

It's annoying being told you're just not liberal enough, or are a moderate, or even a Republican if you don't support Bernie.

 

[Kysen]

As someone outside the US, I can't Bernie winning. From what I've heard the delegate math doesn't even work for him. Sounds like he is going for a contested convention like Kasich.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

As someone outside the US, I can't Bernie winning. From what I've heard the delegate math doesn't even work for him. Sounds like he is going for a contested convention like Kasich.

A contested convention for the Democrats is basically impossible with Super Delegates. It would require a really specific outcome to happen, that I'm not even sure anyone has actually calculated what it would take for that to happen.

 

[ShironRedshift]

I can't say that I am shocked that I didn't get a response.

No one wants to admit that what I said in the last page is true. I'm disappointed.

I'm missing the gaming side a lot right now.

Because there isn't that much there to respond to and I was opting to ignore it, but if you really want one, I'll go against by better judgment and give this a shot, and say what I have to say about that:

You guys have been demonizing Bernie and his supporters this entire election. There have been at least a dozen threads made to bully, discourage, and shame Bernie supporters.

I have seen many of you guys compare him to Trump, say he is worse than Trump, and give him countless disgusting insults that I will not mention.

I honestly never expected that he would be treated this way by a self-proclaimed progressive forum.

When this election started, I was one of the only people in this entire forum telling both sides to stop fighting. I urged everyone to stop the in-fighting because it would cause a rift between the party that would discourage Bernie supporters from voting in the general election. A few months later, and the fighting has only worsened between both sides.

We aren't the awful people you think we are. We're people with emotions who care about how this country.

Search Bernie Sanders on NeoGAF and look through any thread.

What do you see? Pick any thread.

Edit: That's disappointing. I can see most of you guys don't care about us or about unity.

I'm surprised at how much a supposedly left wing forum hates Bernie. I mean, despite his flaws, he speaks of relevant and topical issues. You'd think that he'd at least be respected for that. Can't see Hillary being bold enough to advocate for true universal healthcare, for instance. I believe Bernie supporters mostly want what they believe to be the best for their country, same as most Hillary supporters.

GAF is an interesting microcosm and would make for a great case study in how groups coalesce around certain thoughts and ideals. Certain things at certain points become absolute anathema. Bernie is one of those things right now, and all the stops are being pulled out to prove his supporters don't really understand how misinformed they all are. They must be shown the error of their ways, in the most condescending manner where appropriate.

Would love to hear more about this "NeoGAF" and how it supposedly thinks. Especially when on just this one page of the thread, just this one single page, we already have a huge variety of people espousing a huge number of positions on Hillary and Bernie, coming from a vast number of different perspectives or vantage points, with no consensus or any such thing, but keep telling me about how this "GAF" supposedly thinks this or that and apparently coalesces around a certain perspective and is just a hivemind or whatever. It'll be true one of these days, I'm sure. One of these days.... Eventually... I'll wait.

 

[Mr. RPG]

People aren't responding to you because blanket characterizations of an entire community are inherently intellectually dishonest.

What an amazing hypocritical post. You guys have been doing this for months and you haven't even realized it.

 

[johnsmith]

As someone outside the US, I can't Bernie winning. From what I've heard the delegate math doesn't even work for him. Sounds like he is going for a contested convention like Kasich.

A contested convention is impossible when there's only 2 candidates. 1 person will get at least 50% on the first vote. The race is already over.

 

[Leona Lewis]

What an amazing hypocritical post. You guys have been doing this for months and you haven't even realized it.

Pronouns only work if we know what you're referring to.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

What an amazing hypocritical post. You guys have been doing this for months and you haven't even realized it.

Who are "you guys"

Whenever I talk about Bernie fanatics, I always refer to them as such, to separate them from the real Bernie supports who understand the issues and his polices and aren't just subscribing to his personality cult. Or those who believe we can fix the country by pretending to be Joker and burn the whole thing down to cleanse it by fire. Those people, I always specifically refer to as "hardcore supporters" or "fanatics" or just specifically call out r/politics.

I also never use the term "Bernie Bros" because I don't like it.

But please, continue to lump a bunch of random people together for no reason.

 

[Mr. RPG]

Pronouns only work if we know what you're referring to.

I have seen Bernie supporters being grouped with republicans. No one condemned it. No one disagreed. This is just one example.

Who are "you guys"

Whenever I talk about Bernie fanatics, I always refer to them as such, to separate them from the real Bernie supports who understand the issues and his polices and aren't just subscribing to his personality cult. Or those who believe we can fix the country by pretending to be Joker and burn the whole thing down to cleanse it by fire. Those people, I always specifically refer to as "hardcore supporters" or "fanatics" or just specifically call out r/politics.

I also never use the term "Bernie Bros" because I don't like it.

But please, continue to lump a bunch of random people together for no reason.

My post wasn't specifically made towards you, but to Hillary supporters in general who post here.

I have not seen a single Hillary supporter disavow or call out anyone who insults Bernie supporters.

 

[Xe4]

You guys have been demonizing Bernie and his supporters this entire election. There have been at least a dozen threads made to bully, discourage, and shame Bernie supporters.

Some posters have, some haven't. Either way, it's not a good idea to caracterize GAF as an entity or use general terms like "you guys". If you have a particular problem with a poster, bring it up to a mod. It's what they're there for.

I have seen many of you guys compare him to Trump, say he is worse than Trump, and give him countless disgusting insults that I will not mention.

I honestly never expected that he would be treated this way by a self-proclaimed progressive forum.

The comparisons to Trump have been from the angle that they're both populist politicans who pride style over substance, not actually comparing their policies.

I've only seen one person say Sanders was worse than Trump, when discussing his woefully short Big Banks bill. And that's ignoring the fact that Sanders supporters also compare Clinton to Trump, some saying they'll rather support Trump, or won't vote at all. Again,it's not good to make genralizations like these. I'f you want to name names, then name names, or contact a mod.

And I don't think this being a progressive form makes us have to support Sanders. Many of Clinton supporters really like his policies, just not his way of achieving them, or how he treats others in the democratic party. Nor is he the end all be all of the progressive spectrum, both candidates are progressive in their own ways, and it depends where you place your values to see who is elected.

When this election started, I was one of the only people in this entire forum telling both sides to stop fighting. I urged everyone to stop the in-fighting because it would cause a rift between the party that would discourage Bernie supporters from voting in the general election. A few months later, and the fighting has only worsened between both sides.

We aren't the awful people you think we are. We're people with emotions who care about how this country.

No you werent. There were tons of people telling others to tone it down, myself included. Mods have banned dozens of members on both sides who shit up threads, and again the best way to help this forum is to bring up posters who start shit up to the mods. Painting yourself as a bastion of sanity does no one any favors.

If you want to discuss why this form is more pro Hillary than others you should! I've made lengthy posts on it myself. But nothing is being made better by making sweeping genralizations like you do. Both sides do it, I'm guilty of it, and it never helps anything.

: )

 

[Matt]

A contested convention is impossible when there's only 2 candidates. 1 person will get at least 50% on the first vote. The race is already over.

That's not technically true, but you're basically right. There will only be one ballot.

 

[hawk2025]

Please, read these carefully and calmly:

http://timharford.com/2016/04/delusions-of-objectivity/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias

Specifically:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


And think about how fruitful this discussion on the "bias" of this message board is.
The stronger your priors, the more you suffer from this. And the stronger your priors, the more you see opposition as slights, perceived or otherwise.

Deep, deep breaths. Accept the plurality of opinions and argue the issues.

 

[Mr. RPG]

Some posters have, some haven't. Either way, it's not a good idea to caracterize GAF as an entity or use general terms like "you guys". If you have a particular problem with a poster, bring it up to a mod. It's what they're there for.

It isn't just one person. It's many.

I just want people to stop demonizing us! Why is this so hard?

The comparisons to Trump have been from the angle that they're both populist politicans who pride style over substance, not actually comparing their policies.

Do you not realize what many of your fellow Hillary supporters have said about Bernie?

I've only seen one person say Sanders was worse than Trump, when discussing his woefully short Big Banks bill. And that's ignoring the fact that Sanders supporters also copare Clinton to Trump, some saying they'll rather support Trump, or won't vote at all. Again,it's not good to make genralizations like these. I'f you want to name names, then name names, or contact a mod.

I do not condone any comparisons of Hillary to Trump.

Hillary is not that bad! Here are my thoughts on Hillary as president: She won't be progressive. She won't fight Wall Street. She is infinitely better than any republican out there, but I don't think will be as good as Obama or Bernie as president.

I actually like a few certain things about Hillary.

And I don't think this being a progressive form makes us have to support Sanders. Many of Clinton supporters really like his policies, just not his way of achieving them, or how he treats others in the democratic party. Nor is he the end all be all of the progressive spectrum, both candidates are progressive in their own ways, and it depends where you place your values to see who is elected.

I'm not saying you have to support him. I just want people to stop insulting Bernie or insinuate he is an awful person. He isn't and I've had to say this multiple times.

No you werent. There were tons of people telling others to tone it down, myself included. Mods have banned dozens of members on both sides who shit up threads, and again the best way to help this forum is to bring up posters who start shit up to the mods. Painting yourself as a bastion of sanity does no one any favors.

I didn't say I was the only one. There were others and if you were, thank you!

If you want to discuss why this form is more pro Hillary than others you should! I've made lengthy posts on it myself. But nothing is being made better by making sweeping genralizations like you do. Both sides do it, I'm guilty of it, and it never helps anything. : )

I just want people to stop making Bernie supporters look like they're awful people. They aren't.

I'm a person just like you!

 

[Damaniel]

Speak for yourself. Dude's an A-Grade asshole.

I wouldn't go so far as that, but he's certainly a terrible messenger for an important message. His Reddit supporters are far worse - I mean, they've taken to threatening superdelegates in order to get them to switch sides, and they flood superdelegates' Facebook pages with the most vile right-wing attacks (and yet more threats). If only the democratic socialist movement could find someone much less angry and one-dimensional to rally behind (and preferably one without such a toxic fanbase), then I would certainly vote for him or her.

 

[Tomohawk]

I wouldn't go so far as that, but he's certainly a terrible messenger for an important message. His Reddit supporters are far worse - I mean, they've taken to threatening superdelegates in order to get them to switch sides, and they flood superdelegates' Facebook pages with the most vile right-wing attacks (and yet more threats). If only the democratic socialist movement could find someone much less angry and one-dimensional to rally behind (and preferably one without such a toxic fanbase), then I would certainly vote for him or her.

Are those people representative of reddit? I thought I remembered seeing a post on the top of the sanders sub-reddit telling people to be respectful and call out anyone who was taking part in harassment, which is what I think is the correct course of action to do in these sorts of situations, but I don't follow reddit close enough to know if other things happened.

 

[Xe4]

It isn't just one person. It's many.

I just want people to stop demonizing us! Why is this so hard?



Do you not realize what many of your fellow Hillary supporters have said about Bernie?

Most people on this form complain about Sanders policies, supporters or plans. Few actually call him a shill. The person talking about Sanders supporters (Slavven, I beleive) was discussing Democrats support of minorities in general, as well as Sanders supporters, and while I don't agree with him, he wasn't demonizing Sanders supporters alone.

It's also worth noting that I used the words conplaints. Complaints are not a bad thing. No one is demonizing Sanders by complaining about his policies. If someone says hes a gun manufacturer shill, that is demonizing, and that is called out, and chances are the person who said that usually takes a break, depending how they said that.

Those who make sweeping statements about Sanders are rightfully called out for it (see below). I'm not saying it's an issue I'm saying it's not as bad as it is made out to be. All things considered, this is a tame primary cycle for Dems.

I do not condone any comparisons of Hillary to Trump.

Hillary is not that bad! Here are my thoughts on Hillary as president: She won't be progressive. She won't fight Wall Street. She is infinitely better than any republican out there, but I don't think will be as good as Obama or Bernie as president.

I actually like a few certain things about Hillary.

Funny you say that since Clinton is was of the more progressive democrats as a Senator, and has sponsored many progressive bills and ideas as SOS, but that isn't relevant to this thread.

I'm not saying you have to support him. I just want people to stop insulting Bernie or insinuate he is an awful person. He isn't and I've had to say this multiple times.

Few are doing that to the degree you think they are. And regardless it's something you're going to have to accept, not nessesarilly on this forum, as stuff like that is likely to get you banned, but in general. Primaries get UGLY. [/Quote]

I didn't say I was the only one. There were others and if you were, thank you!



I just want people to stop making Bernie supporters look like they're awful people. They aren't.

I'm a person just like you!

I didn't mean to prop myself up like that. The point is lots of people did, I just don't want to go through old threads to find the posts. I know you're a person too! As much as I want to sometimes, I try hard not to devolve into attacks, althogh to varying degrees of success : p

 

[NimbusD]

How?

Because he dared to run against Clinton, actually do well and campaign seriously without rolling over.

Really, the more he campaigns hard and act like a politician running for office the more people seem to think he's a dick (more significantly than anyone else doing the same thing)somehow.

 

[Primethius]

Because he dared to run against Clinton, actually do well and campaign seriously without rolling over.

Really, the more he campaigns hard and act like a politician running for office the more people seem to think he's a dick (more significantly than anyone else doing the same thing)somehow.

Nah. I respected Bernie a lot (and more of my views line up with his then Hillary's).

But I don't really care for what he's doing now. He should have conceded earlier. Him choosing not to help down ticket races is annoying as hell too.

I don't care for prolonged primaries when you're all but eliminated just because some delusional folks on reddit think you're about to sweep NY and California.

 

[Clefargle]

Oh I see it is getting ugly in here. Sanders supporters wondering why everyone supposedly hates Bernie. A Clinton stan actually validating them by calling Bernie an asshole. Which he is not, even if he is running a self centered campaign that ignores other democrats and name call his opponents. But Clinton has also been unpresedential at times this campaign and has had some not-so-good looks at certain moments. As if Bill wasn't making it hard enough. Point is, they're both human politicians, and we're all human voters (hopefully) But the important thing to remember is...

Spoiler

They aren't republican

 

[ShironRedshift]

Because he dared to run against Clinton, actually do well and campaign seriously without rolling over.

Really, the more he campaigns hard and act like a politician running for office the more people seem to think he's a dick (more significantly than anyone else doing the same thing)somehow.

...What's the point of this post? I don't understand and am genuinely asking--just stop and take a minute and ask why you responded the way you did here. You could just wait for the poster to explain, but you choose instead to put words into another poster's mouth despite having no clue if those views and reasoning are truly representative in any way and presume motive and intent anyway... why exactly? It clearly doesn't even make you happy or relieve any stress or anything to make those assumptions or even better your internal world in any way, so... why? Seriously, take a few minutes and reflect and actually ask yourself that.

I realize things can get heated since we're talking about subjects that we're all extremely passionate about here so it's easy to get carried away and in the moment, but that's all the more reason why it's important to look over our posts and ask ourselves those kind of questions each and every time before we all click that "Submit" button and wonder what the motives behind our thoughts and reasoning are, to make sure we're not getting carried away and that our posts actually do contribute to the discussion and aren't just being hurtful or vindictive towards others, intentionally or otherwise, just getting lost in the emotions these topics bring up.

As after all, to do otherwise, what do you learn from this about other people's perspectives and how they view the world and why they feel the way they do? How's it advance the discussion in any way, or make the discussion more pleasant for people on either side, as compared to just waiting to see what they actually have to say and that engaging that, regardless of whether you actually agree or not, so you actually at least learn where other people are coming from instead of being petty and passive-aggressive like this? There's nothing to be gained there, so just slow down and try this again, alright? ^^

 

[excelsiorlef]

Oh I see it is getting ugly in here. Sanders supporters wondering why everyone supposedly hates Bernie. Clinton stans actually validating them by calling Bernie an asshole. Which he is not, even if he is running a self centered campaign that ignores other democrats and name call his opponents. But Clinton has also been unpresedential at times this campaign and has had some not-so-good looks at certain moments. As if Bill wasn't making it hard enough. Point is, they're both human politicians, and we're all human voters (hopefully) But the important thing to remember is...

Spoiler

They aren't republican

One person called him an asshole. One