April U.S. Primaries |OT| Vote in 20 Turns for World Leader
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User 463088
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So final Wyoming Caucus results:
Bernie 55.7%
Hillary 44.3%
Which means a 7-7 delegate split.
It's a tie!
Bernie 55.7%
Hillary 44.3%
Which means a 7-7 delegate split.
It's a tie!
legacyzero
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How does this even fucking work??because theres so few delegates perhaps?
The state only has 14 delegates. Delegates are allocated proportionally. He failed to hit the margin to split the delegates 8-6.
Meanwhile, every tenth of a percent in a state like California matters, delegate-wise. Them's the maths.
User 463088
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Because of viability thresholds in a caucus and how few delegates the state was worth. It's another example of how caucuses are just the worst, though. Most precincts were worth 2 delegates. You get above viability threshold, you get something, ergo a delegate split.
Yep. It's such a small state that in order to get anything more than a tie you need a huge win. Anyone hoping for more than a wash out of Wyoming, in any Dem primary, is just gunning for disappointment.
gutter_trash
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LOL 0+ delegates
Just got in and saw the results. Hot damn, that was waaaaay closer (in raw vote totals) than I expected.
'Grats to Bernie for another state won.
'Grats to Hillary for keeping it sufficiently close.
Running out of states. I need to cue-up some appropriate theme music.
Sonic the Hedgehog Drowning
'Grats to Bernie for another state won.
'Grats to Hillary for keeping it sufficiently close.
Running out of states. I need to cue-up some appropriate theme music.
Sonic the Hedgehog Drowning
Leona Lewis
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gutter_trash
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQrmLgekIy8&nohtml5=False
Guile's theme goes with everything (Heavy Damage Edition)
Oh man, high school flashbacks.
(I love the melding of gaming and politics here..)
User 463088
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The fact is, though, it shouldn't have been 55/44 anyway. This was a very, very demographically friendly state to Bernie. Hillary did zero campaigning in the state. She spent no money there, that I'm aware. Bernie had several rallies, and I believe he was on the air as well.This was a state in which Hillary didn't compete at all and tied it. It was a caucus. The only knock against it was that it was closed, and didn't allow for same day registration.
So, if that is what made the difference, he's in a bit of trouble with states that vote on the 26th, let alone New York. If there was a shift because of his rather less than stellar week, then that's a problem too, but it's something that's more easily correctable.
So, if that is what made the difference, he's in a bit of trouble with states that vote on the 26th, let alone New York. If there was a shift because of his rather less than stellar week, then that's a problem too, but it's something that's more easily correctable.
gutter_trash
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If nevada is anything to go by, thats going to change come the next stage of this causus.
Anyway, new Bernie ad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yok9J1NaDEE
Yeah, that's why she won Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire by enormous margins!
User 463088
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One, I think it's kind of....wrong, in a way, to champion overturning the will of the people by using Ron Paul type tactics, but that's neither here nor there.
But, the most that could flip is one delegate, because of how they're awarded.
Caucus. Home state. Borders home state and spent tons of time there.
The rest of the region is a closed primary.
New England/=/East coast states, the demographics are completely different. Also Maine and NH were not primaries. None else on the east coast are.
You know the two aren't comparable.
Hillary gonna win NY, Penn, and Maryland, and Deleware. Bernie may win CT and will win RI. He most certainly is in Hillary territory, because now he's on the defensive, like Hillary was in the last 9 caucuses.
It's really not about "winning" states anymore.
I mean thats how caususes work. Kinda pointless to complain about it when everyone agreed to these rules when the primary season began. You either get rid of caucuses or play the game.
Unofficial reports suggest a 70-30 split in favor of bernie from actual caucus votes. Thats 10-4 in terms of delegates. If the people who cast absentee ballots dont show up in the next stage then that 70-30 split is quite possible (assuming more people from the sanders camp show up).
Bam Bam Baklava
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Sanders is running out of time and states. That's basically the story and Wyoming is another missed target.
User 463088
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Of course that's how caucuses work. I don't like caucuses because they are inherently undemocratic because of things like this. I just think it's a bit funny (maybe ironic?) to pretend Bernie is fighting for a revolution, but when he can't win it on election day, he'll win it some other way. I don't believe you can complain about Super Delegates, while saying this is a-okay.
As to the second point, the delegates elected at each caucuses should have been from the people that showed up today, unless the rules have changed. Even if Hillary won through absentees, the people at the caucus site should have elected their delegates on the spot, and they should have been the people that were physically there.
In any case, it would only be possible to change one delegate because of the way the Democratic party in Wyoming elects to award delegates.
Edit: Also, as to why we have to agree to caucuses, if the state won't pay for a primary, you have to have a caucus if you want to give the people a voice at all. We have to pay for them. Supposedly, it's the cheaper option.
woah, I was thinking it was going to be a blow out for Sanders... but he's well below the 11 needed delegates to keep up with Clinton. I guess optics wise it looks good, but yeah, mathematically that's not good for him, they tied in delegates. I can hear the Yaaas Queen in poligaf from here, lol. QUEEEEEEEEN.
Reason I avoid these threads now.
Butts-a-plenty
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...I can't tell what is serious anymore.
you forgot demographics.
balladofwindfishes
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Bernie could legit win every state going forward and not get the nomination.
The number of states won is meaningless. I know you know how the system works. You've posted models of how Bernie is going to win and made sure to pay attention to the percentage points.
So why post this? Why make it look like you don't know anything about how the delegate system works? To get a cheap shot in on Hillary supporters who understand math?
Err, my bad. Duh. Anyhow it's still super white and borders VT, so his advantage there was obvious.
Royal_Phalanx
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Why are people calling Hillary YAAAS QUEEN? I personally will never be hyped up for a politician's campaign ever again, I'll inevitably be disappointed when they inevitably fail to achieve their promises, or in Bernie's case, learning about how apathetic he is about making his policies a reality in future. Now I'm starting to think he's some snake oil salesman who is only doing it for the attention. I wish he was competent so America could have a shot at having a social democrat as a President.
Pretty sure it is a Broad City reference. Not sure how it started though.
You guys have been demonizing Bernie and his supporters this entire election. There have been at least a dozen threads made to bully, discourage, and shame Bernie supporters.
I have seen many of you guys compare him to Trump, say he is worse than Trump, and give him countless disgusting insults that I will not mention.
I honestly never expected that he would be treated this way by a self-proclaimed progressive forum.
When this election started, I was one of the only people in this entire forum telling both sides to stop fighting. I urged everyone to stop the in-fighting because it would cause a rift between the party that would discourage Bernie supporters from voting in the general election. A few months later, and the fighting has only worsened between both sides.
We aren't the awful people you think we are. We're people with emotions who care about how this country.
Royal_Phalanx
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I'm surprised at how much a supposedly left wing forum hates Bernie. I mean, despite his flaws, he speaks of relevant and topical issues. You'd think that he'd at least be respected for that. Can't see Hillary being bold enough to advocate for true universal healthcare, for instance. I believe Bernie supporters mostly want what they believe to be the best for their country, same as most Hillary supporters.
Leona Lewis
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Isn't the average GAF member in his 30s? Bernie seems to attract a younger crowd, and one more receptive to Bernie's proposals re: taxes and the like.
Royal_Phalanx
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GAF likes to rail on wealth inequality and despises human greed as seen on the Panama papers thread among many uncountable others, though. GAF seems to lean overwhelmingly centre left.
User 463088
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I don't think anyone here hates Bernie. I think some of his actions, and some of the actions of his campaign, are wearing on some people's nerves, but no one that I know hates him. My opinion of him from the beginning of the primary until now has definitely soured, though. Not going to lie.
But, your last comment is one of the things that some of us Hillary supporters just get annoyed to death with. Hillary has fought for access to universal health care for her entire adult life. She was beaten to a pulp over it in the 90s. Before Obamacare there was Hillarycare. Hillary worked to pass the biggest health care reform since Medicare! (CHIP). So, a ot of us get frustrated when the great things she does, has done and will do are simply brushed off because "HillaryGAF is just awful."
It's disingenuous to her and to our support of her.
Leona Lewis
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But is also wise enough to see beyond cult of personality? Most of us were of voting age when Obama ran.
I think that helps explain the discrepancy.
Prodigal Son
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Older posters. His overwhelmingly vocal support on social media also turned off a lot of gaf. We tend to embrace the rejection of the mainstream. Who knew it'd apply to politics too?
Pick an article, any political article that talks about Clinton.
Pick a tweet, any political tweet.
Read through the replies and comments to said article and/or tweet.
What do you see?
Royal_Phalanx
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Reading up on Hillary's policies, she seems to be just doubling down on Obamacare. I believe Obamacare is a definite step in the right direction, but I'm just kinda disappointed that it's all that she's going for. Then again, I'm just a European citizen who's ignorant about the finer details of US politics and how things are done over there, so I definitely have a lot to learn here. I would still vote for Hillary enthusiastically if I were American though, don't get me wrong. Slow progress is better than no progress at all (the Republicans will reverse every positive step Obama has done so I wouldn't even think about voting for them).
jchap
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Sanders form of redistribution hits way more then the very rich. It's no surprise its not super popular even among some of the democratic base.
Prodigal Son
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Hillary hate, Bernie support. Why?
Yeap. We're alarmingly centrist. Funniest thing is seeing people try to downplay the effect money has on your political systems. It affects the republicans but definitely not Hillary. Hillary is special. It's funny and sad.
Search Bernie Sanders on NeoGAF and look through any thread.
What do you see? Pick any thread.
Edit: That's disappointing. I can see most of you guys don't care about us or about unity.
User 463088
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There's definitely nothing wrong with asking questions.
Obamacare was a huge achievement. No, it wasn't everything the left wanted, but it was a big win for us. The reason Hillary's plans are based around Obamacare is because, quite literally, that's the place we have to be. There are systems in place because of the law that will allow us to transition to universal coverage. She wants to, for instance, open discussion about the public option again. (Basically a government run healthcare plan that people can buy into instead of having private insurance). She wants to take the law that we worked our asses off for and make it better.
Bernie's plan won't work for a few reasons. The math doesn't add up. He'd be running on a plan of raising middle class taxes. The Democratic leadership in Congress has already said we're not taking it up. There is no will, nationally or politically, to go through another healthcare fight so soon after the last one. Bernie has no political capital to spend to force this issue through.
We need to make the ACA better, not start from scratch.
Royal_Phalanx
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I know an American girl studying abroad who told me she supported Marco Rubio and Bernie Sanders, politics can get weird, they're polar opposites. When I asked her about it she said that she doesn't owe her allegiance to any party.
No, that person was just woefully misinformed...or lying...or had some other issues or bias...
Hillary is a realist in a lot of ways, and redoing the healthcare debate and trying for universal healthcare so soon after Obamacare is completely and utterly bonkers. It would be insane to even attempt at this point. Getting where we are now took everything we've got and we barely got there. It's not even really fully implemented yet and people haven't got used to having it. Political capital should be spent on other things right now.
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