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Nothing bothers me in this film more than what Wonder Woman had been doing throughout the film.

Let's say (because absolutely nothing is explained) Lex Luthor invited her to the party, and Wonder Woman attends because she wanted Lex's photo of her. But she couldn't get it without Batman's technology.
Luckily, Batman shows up, and steals a copy of Lex's data, and then Wonder Woman stole Batman's hard drive, and return it to him later saying she wanted something from it.
But then the hard drive is still encrypted, and Batman decrypted the hard drive, and Wonder Woman's data are STILL there.

Not only that Wonder Woman probably couldn't break into the encryption, but Wonder Woman even left the data intact, so what was she even doing the whole time?

Am I misinterpreting all of this? Those who liked the movie saw something different?
 
I need clarification on something.

Will the DC movie franchise actually conduct the injustice timeline? If they did, wouldn't that be like the final film in the saga?

If so, the dream sequences and Lois crying out for superman so many times were just fillers in the movie.
 
I need clarification on something.

Will the DC movie franchise actually conduct the injustice timeline? If they did, wouldn't that be like the final film in the saga?

If so, the dream sequences and Lois crying out for superman so many times were just fillers in the movie.

With what we have already had and what we know of what's to come, i feel like we're getting a piece of everything. It's like their grabbing pieces from different story arcs and meshing them to create something unique. Otherwise it wouldn't be fun if we really knew what they are actually trying to pull.
 
I don't understand what people see in Eisenbergs performance that makes people think Ledger. The farther into the movie more Lex seems to look like someone who's seen some shit from a lovecraft novel.



TBF the ship's computer did state that the "deformity" (doomsday) was deemed illegal on Krypton centuries ago. So this brings to light why a whole culture would outlaw natural birth if there is a 1 in a billion chance of the baby being born a Doomsday creature.

Kryptonians as paranoid as Batman.

There is no reason to assume that applying human blood to a Kryptonian is all it takes to create a Doomsday, considering that the process involves taking in a dead body, turning it into a "Chrysalis" and applying so much electricity it was causing blackouts in the fictional equivalent of New York. The machine was obviously doing "nefarious science stuff" that we don't have the full details to. As to whether Lex's DNA was actually necessary or was just a symbolic gesture is unknown.

I thought he added his own blood to make Doomsday obedient to Lex.
 
Nothing bothers me in this film more than what Wonder Woman had been doing throughout the film.

Let's say (because absolutely nothing is explained) Lex Luthor invited her to the party, and Wonder Woman attends because she wanted Lex's photo of her. But she couldn't get it without Batman's technology.
Luckily, Batman shows up, and steals a copy of Lex's data, and then Wonder Woman stole Batman's hard drive, and return it to him later saying she wanted something from it.
But then the hard drive is still encrypted, and Batman decrypted the hard drive, and Wonder Woman's data are STILL there.

Not only that Wonder Woman probably couldn't break into the encryption, but Wonder Woman even left the data intact, so what was she even doing the whole time?

Am I misinterpreting all of this? Those who liked the movie saw something different?

Something may have been left on the cutting room floor, but it's pretty obvious that entire side-story was shoved in purely to setup the future DC line of movies and it definitely shows. Like you said, it really doesn't make sense and is overall a waste of time for both the character and the audience. There have to be better ways to get her and Bruce to meet, flirt, and share knowledge of the greater DC universe.
 
Nothing bothers me in this film more than what Wonder Woman had been doing throughout the film.

Let's say (because absolutely nothing is explained) Lex Luthor invited her to the party, and Wonder Woman attends because she wanted Lex's photo of her. But she couldn't get it without Batman's technology.
Luckily, Batman shows up, and steals a copy of Lex's data, and then Wonder Woman stole Batman's hard drive, and return it to him later saying she wanted something from it.
But then the hard drive is still encrypted, and Batman decrypted the hard drive, and Wonder Woman's data are STILL there.

Not only that Wonder Woman probably couldn't break into the encryption, but Wonder Woman even left the data intact, so what was she even doing the whole time?

Am I misinterpreting all of this? Those who liked the movie saw something different?

I don't think its meant to be that logical.
 
Nothing bothers me in this film more than what Wonder Woman had been doing throughout the film.

Let's say (because absolutely nothing is explained) Lex Luthor invited her to the party, and Wonder Woman attends because she wanted Lex's photo of her. But she couldn't get it without Batman's technology.
Luckily, Batman shows up, and steals a copy of Lex's data, and then Wonder Woman stole Batman's hard drive, and return it to him later saying she wanted something from it.
But then the hard drive is still encrypted, and Batman decrypted the hard drive, and Wonder Woman's data are STILL there.

Not only that Wonder Woman probably couldn't break into the encryption, but Wonder Woman even left the data intact, so what was she even doing the whole time?

Am I misinterpreting all of this? Those who liked the movie saw something different?

Diana knew Lex had a photo of someone that looked like her because he said so in the invite to the party. She got there and didn't have any idea how to get the photo because it wasn't on Lex's fireplace mantel, so she decided to just enjoy herself.

She was about to leave empty handed until she noticed that Bruce Wayne showed up. She decided following him around would probably lead to the photo. Wayne goes downstairs into the computer room and plugs a USB drive into the mainframe and Diana got lucky because everyone has their photos backed up in multiple places these days. She steals the USB once its done uploading. She waits around until Wayne comes back so that she can have a staring contest with him. I think Bruce won, but I can't remember.

When she finds out the files are encrypted, she gives it back to Wayne. She knows that he would probably know how to decrypt it because he owns Wayne Industries and is clearly a tech guy. He decrypts it and gets to work on that famous email to her. Just don't ask how he got her email address. She probably gave it to him when she gave him back the drive. "Please send me all copies of photos on here to amazonianwondy@yahoo. com"

He sends her a copy of that photo and she's content. Being from Themyscira she may not know how computers work. She thinks she has the only copy now, but Wayne also has it and, really, come to think of it, Lex still has it. The NSA probably intercepted that email and they have it too now. But she still gets on a plane home. Problem solved.
 
Forgot to post my review. Because I've now seen the movie twice, once in fake IMAX and once in real IMAX here in Orlando

Overall, I did enjoy the movie. The action was good for the most part, the 3-D was surprisingly good, The visual style is always a highlight of Zack Snyder movies.

Some thoughts:
- people like to point out the bad fight choreography in TDKR, but somebody needs to GIF the sequence where Batman is fighting the Superman soldiers. Dudes are swinging their guns.

- I actually enjoyed the fight between Batman and Superman. Well done.

- WW is nothing but fan service. People must be desperate for female superheroes, not that I blame them, because she could have been cut from the movie and nothing would have been lost.

- I totally nailed my prediction in that WW would have the biggest "WOW" moments in the movie. Been saying that on GAF for months now.

- i'm still not sold on the Gadot's physique for the role, but it is what it is. Hopefully she continues to add weight for future roles In the DCEU.

- Affleck was solid in his role as Wayne, but nothing better then what Christian Bale did. Same goes for Jeremy Irons as Alfred

- Best Batman combat on screen yet. However the Batmobile sequence was not better than the Tumbler sequences in the dark Knight trilogy.

- The Justice League clips on the computer were so lazily, laughably done. The fact that this was the best idea they thought of after three years since their last movie, makes it all even worse.

- Jesse Eisenberg is a whiny little shit for a Lex Luthor. Didn't care for him at all.

- Going with Darkseid so early kinda meant that WB had to kill Superman. But I give WB props for having the guts to kills Superman so early in the DCEU

So, that's about it. Like I said, overall I enjoyed the movie. Saw it once with wife/friends/co-workers and then with my bro last week. I'll probably buy the extend cut.
 
Nope, he swung straight at Lex and Superman jumps in to save him. Lex was presumably counting on Superman not letting him die, because he pretty much crouched on the spot and was as calm as a Hindu cow through the whole scene.

It seemed to be like Lex was just crazy and didn't mind dying then.
 
The worst part for me was Lex Luthor. Who thought it was good idea to cast him as a shitty spoiled brat. I mean at least give the character some dignity.
 
Honestly I view it less as him all out murdering fools, but moreso he no longer cares enough to ensure their safety. Hes getting rid of whatever is in his way, no matter what, but at the same time, you still won't see him carrying a hand gun and popping criminals in the head.

If BvS didn't go the way it had, I'd love for that to have been a sequel. An arc where batman actually does become the villain would be so fucking cool.
 
- WW is nothing but fan service. People must be desperate for female superheroes, not that I blame them, because she could have been cut from the movie and nothing would have been lost.

She was there as part of the Justice League set-up. And was a crucial part of the doomsday battle. In fact I'd go as far as to say she was the best equipped to fight doomsday.
 
I saw the film a few weeks ago, and I can definitely see why everyone has problems with it. I will start by saying that BVS is at least an improvement over that god-awful Man of Steel, but I still can't call it a good movie. The film is WAY too long and far too dull for a good 2/3 of the running time. Visually, it's just dour. The script isn't much better, with interesting ideas that are only scratched upon and never go anywhere. I was left pretty confused in areas, and just bored in others. The editing contributed alot to this as the film kept going back and forth from plotline to plotline.

I think the biggest problem with the film is that it didn't give me a reason to care about anything that was happening on the screen. Cavill, once again, was given the bare minimum of material to work with. He ponders. He grimaces. He questions if what he's doing is right, and not much else. Amy Adam's Lois investigates, stays a damsel in distress, and is forced to be the romantic interest. The problem is that her and Cavill aren't allowed to be believable as a couple, and outside of a bathtub scene, all they do is talk about Superman's place in the world. We never get a chance to understand WHY they love each other. We're only TOLD that they do, which is why the engagement ring moment in the film feels so forced.

Luthor isn't completely terrible in the movie, but Eisenberg's performance and the characterization have convinced me that he would've been a much better Riddler than Lex. Eisenberg's shtick was annoying, the writing of his mannerisms didn't help, (seriously, what was up with that Jolly Rancher scene?) and the character's plans either made no sense (Framing Superman by having his men shoot people?) or completely failed (The congress explosion was immediately deduced to have come from the handicapped man's wheelchair). However, I liked the mastermind approach to the character overall. Pulling the strings on so many other characters in the film.

Affleck's Batman, unsurprisingly, was the best thing about the movie. I don't really care about his version killing people (though it was a bit of a shock), and loved his moments with Jeremy Irons' Alfred.

The Justice League tie-ins were pretty bad though, as they were so unnaturally forced into the story.

The clips of other superheroes on Lex's file are such in-your-face set ups for the Justice League movie, that I cant take them seriously. When the film has to actually pause the action for a distracting set up, you know the people working on it have gone the wrong route.

As for Wonder Woman, Gal Gadot is perfectly fine in the role. She wasn't given much to do, and I still honestly can't say that I rate her above being a decent actress, but I don't have any problems with her. I do feel that WW and Doomsday should've have been left out of the movie.

The last third of the film is mindless action that entertains on the most basic level. Since I was given no reason to care about most of the characters in the movie, I just took the fight scenes for the hollow actions that they were, and as it stands, they're decent. The Batman and Superman fight was the brief highlight of the sequences, but only because of the few different strategies from Bruce. I hated Superman's role in the fight, however. Just standing around, taking multiple hits of kryptonite gas to the face. And I thought his strategy was to convince Bruce to help him? Why then, does he push him after the first few traps instead of choosing not to fight and trying to explain the situation while in close proximity?

The Doomsday fight was loud and boring. Merely an excuse to see the three Super's fight together, and of course, Supes' death.

And once again, Superman's death gave me no reason to care, as for two movies we still haven't gotten to really know the guy.

All in all, BvS was bad, but not as terrible as I thought it was gonna be. There were alot of interesting ideas, but they're never expanded upon, and a lack of thought in the details just leave me scratching my head. For example: Why does Bruce Wayne have to call his employees to tell them to leave W.E.? Isn't the appearance of a giant spaceship and the ensuing destruction enough to shake up their common sense?

Why would Luther have his men use assault rifles to kill the African terrorists to frame Superman? Didn't anyone check the bodies?

If Luthor knew that Superman constantly saved Lois and cared for her, why wouldn't he survey her apartment to see if someone's living with her? Specifically, a bespectacled reporter at her job who looks exactly like Superman?

It's a not a very well thought out movie, which is a shame, because there are a lot of good ideas, and they just wound up being wasted.
 
The clips of other superheroes on Lex's file are such in-your-face set ups for the Justice League movie, that I cant take them seriously. When the film has to actually pause the action for a distracting set up, you know the people working on it have gone the wrong route.


The Batman and Superman fight was the brief highlight of the action sequences, but only because of the few different strategies from Bruce. I hated Superman's role in the fight, however. Just standing around, taking multiple hits of kryptonite gas to the face. And I thought his strategy was to convince Bruce to help him? Why then, does he push him after the first few traps instead of choosing not to fight and trying to explain the situation while in close proximity?


The justice league clips came off like the kind of post-credits scene that Marvel has become famous for. Shoehorning them into the main movie came off incredibly cheap.

I thought they dropped the ball on what ultimately led them to fight. The opening scene with Bruce Wayne seeing the collateral damage from the streets of Metropolis, as Superman and Zod fly overhead crashing into buildings, was a plausible reason for Batman to distrust Superman. They tried to set-up Supes as disproving of Batman's methods of crime-fighting, but he lacked the self-awareness that he very much acted outside the law as well, or at the least while the movie addressed it, Superman himself is pretty hypocritical on his position about vigilantes. That said, it was a flawed take on the reason why Batman and Supes start off opposing each other: idealogical differences. The 'Martha' plot device was completely unnecessary, and clearly existed mainly as the device that brings the characters together. It's very silly in execution: There's nothing indicating that Superman knew what Batman's mother was names, so why would he even make the comment 'you must save Martha as if that name is supposed to mean something?
 
There is no reason to assume that applying human blood to a Kryptonian is all it takes to create a Doomsday, considering that the process involves taking in a dead body, turning it into a "Chrysalis" and applying so much electricity it was causing blackouts in the fictional equivalent of New York. The machine was obviously doing "nefarious science stuff" that we don't have the full details to. As to whether Lex's DNA was actually necessary or was just a symbolic gesture is unknown.

It was totally symbolic. And i never assumed or asserted Lex's Blood is what was used to make Doomsday.
 
They tried to set-up Supes as disproving of Batman's methods of crime-fighting, but he lacked the self-awareness that he very much acted outside the law as well, or at the least while the movie addressed it, Superman himself is pretty hypocritical on his position about vigilantes.

Which, even from the trailer, was a slap in the face. After all the destruction and death that Superman caused in Man of Steel, he has the audacity to judge another superhero for acting outside of the law? Even in the context of this film, it makes no sense, as Superman is constantly getting hell from tons of people for the consequences that come with his acts of heroism. Hell, the first time we see Clark, he gets defensive about the claim that he caused the deaths in the African village instead of reflecting on the fact that had he been less selfish, many lives could have been saved. It's ultimately Lois who brings up the point that he can't do his job if he's constantly saving her.

Such a poor depiction of the character.
 
Lex Luthor knew Clark was Superman the whole time. He sends Clark images of Batman's branding victims, with the same red writing he uses on the returned cheques.
 
Lex Luthor knew Clark was Superman the whole time. He sends Clark images of Batman's branding victims, with the same red writing he uses on the returned cheques.

You know, it feels like Perry White and Batman is the only one that didn't know who Superman was. Lois knew from the first movie when "Clark" showed up, Lex knew from the offset (his "omg, Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent together! I love it!" line makes no sense otherwise. I mean, if not Superman, why would Clark Kent be significant in any way?).

Meanwhile, presumably, if Batman knew who Superman was, his line about Martha wouldn't be confusing. Again, there's no way outside of absolute idiocy that Batman wouldn't investiage Superman if he could.

This means Bruce had his obsession staring him in the face, grilling him on who Batman and Superman were, without him ever connecting the dots.
 
Yeah, and it's just weak storytelling.

If Batman knew Superman grew up in Kansas (like so many people seem to be aware of) he couldn't view him as just an alien. If Batman did any investigating, in the 18 months in which he was pissed at Superman, he'd probably find that Superman isn't nearly the threat he imagines.

But no, Batman decides after a year and a half of nothing cataclysmic happening to go stab an alien.
 
So, for the most part I felt the movie was terrible but it had entertaining bits and my favorite Batman movie action sequence of all time (when he was saving Martha). Things I would have liked to see:

-Zero Batman origin stuff, seriously we don't need it anymore
-Remove Doomsday and Supermans death from the movie, those need a proper film on their own.
-Wonder Woman is wasted here, maybe just set her up in a similar way as the rest of the other metahumans (part of Batmans motivation for fighting Superman)
-Cut the silly time traveling Flash and dream sequence stuff. Why do we need Man-Bat and Darkseid thrown in such a weird fan pandering way?
-Focus more heavily on Lex manipulating Batman and Superman into fighting each other, give him actual charisma instead of weird awkardness, end with the two teaming up to take down Lex directly.
-Theres enough stuff to work with to make Lex the primary threat in a fight, slap him in some damn krpytonian based power armor.
-If you have to set up a villain for the next movie to bring together the Justice League, throw in Braniac. Having his origins be based on Lex trying to take down Superman makes significantly more sense than Doomsday.

This would give the movie more time to focus on Lex manipulating public opinion on Superman, Superman dealing with that and his internal conflicts, and Batman focused on metahuman deterrence and defending his form of vigilante justice while Lex pulls the strings to get Batman to collide with Superman. Doomsday feels wasted here, and Superman's death means nothing in this universe. He barely does two things remarkable and now he is dead. There is no building up his legacy over time to make his loss that impactful and they alluded to his return in the last frame of the movie, so its just like who cares?

Really, this movie just has a lot of "stuff" and wastes all of it. Gadot and Affleck are really good in the movie though.
 
She was there as part of the Justice League set-up. And was a crucial part of the doomsday battle. In fact I'd go as far as to say she was the best equipped to fight doomsday.

What weapon did she bring that was more effective than the Kryptonite spear and gas that Batman brought?
 
What weapon did she bring that was more effective than the Kryptonite spear and gas that Batman brought?

The glowy rope that inconvenienced him a little that one time. Or maybe the sword she used to cut its hand which gave him the means to kill Supes that much easier.
 
She was there as part of the Justice League set-up. And was a crucial part of the doomsday battle. In fact I'd go as far as to say she was the best equipped to fight doomsday.

Best equipped, as in having nothing that could stop Doomsday? WW was essentially just Snyder saying to the audiences; "Hey, you guys know about WW, right? Well watch this!"

She didn't really add anything to the movie. She saved Batman because he decided to lead Doomsday to where the spear was instead of going to get it and bring the spear to him. She was simply there for fan service.

Don't get wrong, I did appreciate seeing WW on the big screen for the first time. I just think the character was shoved in the movie for no reason other than fan service.
 
Lex's motivations really drives this movie, he's not really against power, he's against power being seen as good. It's why he's not trying to take down Batman but is trying to take down Superman. He doesn't consider Batman to be innocent or good therefore proving his point about power and innocents. Hense why he chooses Bruce to be his Dark Knight in the fight with Superman. Bruce didn't steal Lex info at the party, Lex practically gives it to him. He wants Bruce as armed as possible since he's his champion in the fight. Bruce is sooo fixated on Supes that he completely misses that Lex is using him to do his dirty work.
 
What weapon did she bring that was more effective than the Kryptonite spear and gas that Batman brought?

She could have been the one to deliver the crippling blow, use the kryptonite spear to stab doomsday and get the hell out of there. Yes she needed Batmans krypnonite weapons, but thats pretty much all Batman could bring to that fight other than being a diversion: he certainly couldnt stand there toe to toe with doomsday.

Superman, being vulnerable to Krytonite, didnt need to sacrifice himself but thats the resolution they wanted for this movie.

Best equipped, as in having nothing that could stop Doomsday? WW was essentially just Snyder saying to the audiences; "Hey, you guys know about WW, right? Well watch this!"

Best equipped, as in having the defensive capabiltes to block his blasts, the fighting skills to remove a few limbs, and not being vulnerable to krypnonite making her the logical choice to wield the spear, as stated above. Whatever else you think of her role in the film, she was doing pretty damn well taking doomsday on head to head, even smiling at one point after getting knocked on her ass. Im not saying she alone could have taken Doomsday, Im just saying compared to Superman and Batman she had the least vulnerabilities.
 
The glowy rope that inconvenienced him a little that one time. Or maybe the sword she used to cut its hand which gave him the means to kill Supes that much easier.

All of these parts doesn't have any huge impact, and can easily be written for Batman's kryptonite gas.
 
So, are we ignoring that Superman felt responsible for the continued Kryptonian threat to humans and took it upon himself to end it because he has no idea that Wonder Woman is immortal and if she died instead he looks like a huge dick that ducks his own messes and gets other people killed?

I only ask so I know if I should ignore that conversation.
 
Just saw this. Yup, it's bad.

The character portrayal is all wrong.
-Lex Luthor is not a smartass nerd. Terrible casting. I hated that character.
-Superman is not a pussy whipped jerk. Completely unlikeable.
-Batman is not an illogical psycho. Worst Batman ever. Affleck does moody real bad.

Was this written by a bunch of cynical, angsty teenagers? They sucked out all the fun that makes superhero movies enjoyable. Did DC Comics have no say at all how their characters were portrayed? Justice League looks like it's going to be a bunch of brooding assholes.

They didn't make a blockbuster, they made a slow plodding borefest with zero likeable characters. They'd be better off just moving on from this obvious poor transition movie with new writers, new casting, and making Justice League likeable instead of the current cast of downers.

They're really screwing up the DCU if BvS is any indication on how the characters are going to be portrayed. Very disappointing movie.
 
Just saw this. Yup, it's bad.

The character portrayal is all wrong.
-Lex Luthor is not a smartass nerd. Terrible casting. I hated that character.
-Superman is not a pussy whipped jerk. Completely unlikeable.
-Batman is not an illogical psycho. Worst Batman ever. Affleck does moody real bad.
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Pre-52 Lex was pretended to be his own son (clone body) for awhile after dying due to Krytonite poisoning from the ring he wote all the time. He later used a kryptonite based drig to enhance his strength the also drove him crazy.

Pre-52 Superman let the world go to hell(Final Crises) literally, cause Lois was injured in a bombing at the Daily Planet.

Pre-52 Batman had plans to take out the other Justice League members should they go rogue, these plans were later stolen by Ras' al Gual and used against the league. Later he built a satellite called Brother Eye to keep tabs on the Metas this was co-oped by Max Lord for his naferius ends.

Seems like the characters in the Movie were spot on.
 
Pre-52 Lex was pretended to be his own son (clone body) for awhile after dying due to Krytonite poisoning from the ring he wote all the time. He later used a kryptonite based drig to enhance his strength the also drove him crazy.

Pre-52 Superman let the world go to hell(Final Crises) literally, cause Lois was injured in a bombing at the Daily Planet.

Pre-52 Batman had plans to take out the other Justice League members should they go rogue, these plans were later stolen by Ras' al Gual and used against the league. Later he built a satellite called Brother Eye to keep tabs on the Metas this was co-oped by Max Lord for his naferius ends.

Seems like the characters in the Movie were spot on.

I feel that your definition of "spot on" differs wildly from everyone else's.
 
So, are we ignoring that Superman felt responsible for the continued Kryptonian threat to humans and took it upon himself to end it because he has no idea that Wonder Woman is immortal and if she died instead he looks like a huge dick that ducks his own messes and gets other people killed?

I only ask so I know if I should ignore that conversation.
I'm pretty sure when he left her alone with Doomsday to go save Lois yet again that he figured out she was, at the very least, resilient enough to use the spear without him needing to die.
 
Wasent superman able to get a hit in with the spear because batman paralyzed him and wonder woman was able to restrain Hm long enough for supes to do it?
 
Wasent superman able to get a hit in with the spear because batman paralyzed him and wonder woman was able to restrain Hm long enough for supes to do it?
I don't see why they wouldn't have been able to get hits in without the rope once Batman shot the gas canister at him.
 
Does anyone else love that old photo of WW in the movie? She just looked really cool in it

It looked so cool, and since Wonder Woman was like, 3 weeks into production or something, I thought it was quite amazing they managed to have the full cast photo in time. Even the musical cue was appropriate; and tied with Ben Affleck's face during the scene, it really felt like a "WTF, who is this exotic woman?" moment.
 
Pre-52 Lex was pretended to be his own son (clone body) for awhile after dying due to Krytonite poisoning from the ring he wote all the time. He later used a kryptonite based drig to enhance his strength the also drove him crazy.

Pre-52 Superman let the world go to hell(Final Crises) literally, cause Lois was injured in a bombing at the Daily Planet.

Pre-52 Batman had plans to take out the other Justice League members should they go rogue, these plans were later stolen by Ras' al Gual and used against the league. Later he built a satellite called Brother Eye to keep tabs on the Metas this was co-oped by Max Lord for his naferius ends.

Seems like the characters in the Movie were spot on.
Letting the world go to hell? The fuck? He was trying to save his wife, and he was busy dealing with Time Trapper destroying the future and Mandraak destroying the entire DCU.

Those plans were to disable the league, Ra's modified them to torture and kill. He built Brother eye after zatanna warped his memories of the dirty shit the league did.

How is that in anyway spot on
 
I saw it last week with my fiancée. I hated the first part of the movie. The dream sequence, as cool as it was, didn't fit the movie at all, including Flash's dream scene. I would have cut out Cyborg and Aquaman from the meta folder sequence as well (I did like the WW and Flash reveal).

I think the great problem with the first part of the movie, besides that mess of narrative, is that there is no trilling action sequence besides the damn obvious and out of place dream. I think it would had been better if we had been show Bats infiltrating that house and beating the shit out of the bad guys, instead of only getting there after he has already left his mark.

I didn't have any expectations to the Batman vs Superman fight, since I knew Bats would rely on kryptonite weaponry to stand a chance. (That said, I thought it was ridiculous how he kept himself away from the kryptonite spear and relied on the gas grenade launcher, he should have kept at least a solid piece of the rock with him).

I loved the Doomsday fight, as it allowed Supes go full out. I also loved how Wonder Woman could block Doomsday's blasts and actually harm him, foreshadowing that magic can bypass kryptonian invulnerability. In the end Doomsday was indeed the superior foe that it took combined effort and, apparently, also Supes’s life to defeat. (I do think that even if Wondie had taken the kryptonite spear instead of Clark, she would still be impaled instead)
 
just got back from it.

I'm in portugal for a course and had nothing to do so I went alone. I was literally the only person in the theatre, which was super awesome. Nearly pissed in my pants near half way, so was nicely surprised when they do intermissions here.

movie was alright. Thought murderman was awesome when he was murdering people.

Superman remains unlikeable and unstoppable without magic green, which is the standard.. Ben affleck should get another batman movie, he's a great batman.

I didn't think it deserved 30% or RT. But it definitely wasn't home run marvel quality. I think I don't really like the directors style. quite a heavy handed setup for the justice league.
 
I'm pretty sure when he left her alone with Doomsday to go save Lois yet again that he figured out she was, at the very least, resilient enough to use the spear without him needing to die.

He still viewed it as his responsibility. Have you ever known Superman to let other people handle that? In a movie full of "un-Superman" like things that was not one of them.
 
He still viewed it as his responsibility. Have you ever known Superman to let other people handle that? In a movie full of "un-Superman" like things that was not one of them.
I don't actually have too much of a problem with it, I just think that killing him off so quickly didn't need to happen and there are smarter ways to handle that scene.
 
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