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[Barzul]

Ok then what about people that have adrenaline producing brain tumors that suffer from incredible rage that is 0% their problem? I get that its very counter intuitive, but all the reserach points to free will being incredibly limited if it even exists. It is obviously your "choice" what to believe but try and step back. If you want some literature I can link you.

Maybe in that scenario yes they are absolved, but I'm going to assume that is a small subset of those crimes, of course I have nothing to back that up currently. And sure link me, I'm not one to shy away from considering opposing viewpoints.

 

[Hellwarden]

Bernie is asking for Hillary to give a quick soundbite answer on Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

There is no quick soundbite answer on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

There is no quick soundbite, you're right.

But she could criticize Israel's gross treatment of the Palestinian people.

That would significantly improve my opinion of her.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Just posting some tweets I see around:

Pretty much. She knew what she was doing.

 

[ugaboga232]

Racism and islamophpbia is a big part of it. But every time a stream of comments about Israel pour in on this board I'm reminded how out of the mainstream progressives really are on Israel.

Yea sometimes even the progressive havens can be surprising (tax posts lol).


Also pretty sure that there isn't a huge bias towards israel from american jews (i think its even on the issue).

 

[semisonic]

yes. I'm listening to her foreign policy proposals. She's Super Hawkish. She's an Neocon.

I love it being a title. Makes her sound like a superhero.

"Are you telling me that Super Hawkish is... Hillary Clinton? Last survivor of the planet Neocon?"

 

[Foffy]

I'm voting for Hillary she will inevitably take this, but let me tell you, I'm going to feel disgusting doing it. But I'll put that aside and vote for progress, no matter how much it is.

This. Between these two, it's about progress. And for both, it's not enough. They both have holes.

But what is the alternative? Pure regression, and that is the last thing we need. The Republicans still running probably can't even spell 'substance' on the fly.

I understand or at least I've tried to but I just can't divorce murder from free will. I honestly believe people should know better and that yes there is a choice.

Free will doesn't exist, though. What you're talking about is murder from an abstraction.

There's no neurological process that contains one's "self" which is the hallucination we ascribe that gives us free will and has us in control.

Arguing against the notion of free will being an illusion is like arguing against evolution, at this point. It's particularly troubling for even people of science have a hard time getting this.

 

[kingkitty]

They haven't cancelled this Washington's Spies show yet? Is that actually worth watching? Looks so boring.

 

[Zyae]

I guess that is why Bernie is winning in the polls, right?

No thats not what I said. Shes popular among democrats but New York isnt really her home state. Compare her polling average here to other candidates "home states" this primary.

 

[Father_Brain]

I meant it the other way honestly. Support for Israel is overwhelming and mainstream. Progressives will lose at the ballot box if they moderate. I believe this firmly.

I think this is overly cynical, at least in the sense of the overall direction of the US-Israel relationship.

 

[Meowster]

Just posting some tweets I see around:

Very true. I wonder if this debate will help her during the primary.

 

[SaviourMK2]

They haven't cancelled this Washington's Spies show yet? Is that actually worth watching? Looks so boring.

It's actually pretty good. It just has a weak start

 

[maabus1999]

Not all jews are AIPAC spoke persons. Not they all perceive criticism of Israel as an attack against their jewishness.

I would argue the majority support Israel and Hillary's stance. Which matters during a vote...

 

[LifEndz]

Sanders is winning the foreign policy debate.

Definitely. Major respect for actually giving the Palestinian perspective and not dancing around the question.

 

[kirblar]

I'm reading his AIPAC speech from 08 right now and it sounds like the same shit everyone else said with the noticeable lack of the Iran deal.

With Isrrael you have to keep the company line and do everything else behind the scenes to pressure them/do what's best for the US's interests. Netanyahu HATES Obama because he's done just that.

 

[exmachina64]

I'm voting for Hillary she will inevitably take this, but let me tell you, I'm going to feel disgusting doing it. But I'll put that aside and vote for progress, no matter how much it is.

The Amercian mainstream is pro-intervention and much more hawkish than the average gaffer/progressive.

Do you want Hillary or any candidate on the left to make their stand over this and lose to people who want to invade or nuke the Middle East?

 

[User 85168]

Mike MemoliVerified account ‏@mikememoli
.@BernieSanders scoffs at incrementalism. @POTUS said last week that's how change happens http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-04072016-htmlstory.html#5842

.

 

[RustyNails]

Anyone else think Hillary looks like a Dentist in that get up?

 

[Goodstyle]

Hillary isn't an idiot basically. Why choose NOW to take a more "balanced" view on Israel? That's just not politically savvy, no matter how much I agree with Bernie here.

 

[Byakuya769]

Martin O'Malley is further to the right than Obama.

On what issues?

 

[Cipherr]

Just posting some tweets I see around:

Mark Murray ✔ ‎@mmurraypolitics
In that entire back-and-forth over Israel:

Sanders was speaking to America's left.

Clinton was speaking to New York.

Its 100% true. I'm on Bernies side of that specific issue. That's like, one of the only issues I agree with him over Clinton on.

But make no mistake, it loses him points in the run for the nom. Its sad but true.

 

[WonkyPanda]

A lot of Sanders supporters don't understand the election process.
I would love to see stats as to the number of Sanders supporters where this is their first election.



Yep, Sanders is literally pandering to his College Kids base who unlike other gens don't understand why Israel gets a free pass most of the time.

Lest we be reminded: http://www.salon.com/2016/04/07/thi...sin_shows_the_flaw_in_his_political_movement/

 

[diablos991]

Very true. I wonder if this debate will help her during the primary.

Sure if you count the boost of republican support.

 

[btrboyev]

Are you kidding with this?

Do you not remember what happened in 2011? Are YOU kidding me? How much nuclear radiation leaked out over Japan and into our oceans for months??

 

[pigeon]

I've said it before, if there were a Democratic candidate with Hillary's domestic policy positions but better foreign policy positions, I would definitely vote for them. It's the one subject on which I really doubt her.

O'Malley might have been that guy. I honestly don't really know because he was boxed out so hard in terms of establishment support I barely got to know him.

 

[Scarfo]

I love it being a title. Makes her sound like a superhero.

"Are you telling me that Super Hawkish is... Hillary Clinton? Last survivor of the planet Neocon?"

That's one way to think about it.

 

[daemissary]

It's brutal. They ignore her disgusting shit as best they can and then rail on Sanders for the most trivial of things.

I couldn't agree more. It's absolutely insane that Bernie is criticized for being pie in the sky but when Hillary says terrible things or flip flops or hugs Obama it's all sunshine and rainbows.

When you compare the negatives, it shouldn't even be a contest.

 

[Vanillalite]

Read up on Generation four / Fast Breeder designs. No waste, and can run on the waste we have now. Very close to a reality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_IV_reactor

They are building an AP1000 reactor at Vogtle. It's essentially a Gen III+ reactor. Even still that shit isn't even ready yet. It's over budget and behind schedule.

Also while it's true Gen IV reactors can reuse waste so to speak it's untrue they have no waste. They still have waste, and storage is still an issue.

So it better solves the problem, but it doesn't completely solve the problem. Nor does it help with the time line fact of we wouldn't have any Gen IV reactors completed till probably 2025 at the EARLIEST if we gave the ok say tomorrow.

https://www.gen-4.org/gif/jcms/c_40275/gen-iv-reactor-design

5. What are the waste products from Gen IV fuels? How will they be stored?

Recycling all the minor actinides back into fresh fuel enables them to be "burnt" in the reactor and transformed into so-called fission products. These fission products are separated out from the fuel in the reprocessing plant and constitute the "ultimate" waste from the process. This waste must be managed and ultimately disposed of in line with accepted and approved practice. The radioactivity of the waste will decay much more rapidly, and the radiotoxicity is much lower. But once the minor actinides have been removed, it will still be necessary to dispose of the waste in geological repositories to ensure optimal protection of people and the environment over the timescales during which the waste remains a potential hazard. Nonetheless, the quantities of this ultimate waste will be much less than from current fuel cycles for the same energy production. In addition, with the removal of the minor actinides, heat generation is also greatly reduced, enabling a much more efficient use of space in geological disposal facilities.

PS: Neither Hill Dawg nor Bern Man have a real clue about this.

 

[royalan]

Is this debate about to end on a topic that Hillary could potentially eviscerate him on?

 

[harSon]

"A lot of other studies come up with different figures such as..."

*Stump Speech*

wat?

 

[Paskil]

Dat pivot tho.

 

[SolarPowered]

the war in the Middle East could be solved in under 24hrs

Bernie just said no nuclear

screams internally

 

[Brinbe]

Here we go lol

 

[metalslimer]

Yeah, I think we all mostly understand why she has to pander on Israel, but I think considering Netanyahu pretty much endorsed Romney and it didnt help, we are moving in the right direction to be more neutral

 

[RustyNails]

Hillary isn't an idiot basically. Why choose NOW to take a more "balanced" view on Israel? That's just not politically savvy, no matter how much I agree with Bernie here.

I don't understand...you're saying she's pro-Palestine but afraid to let it out here?

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

With Isrrael you have to keep the company line and do everything else behind the scenes to pressure them/do what's best for the US's interests. Netanyahu HATES Obama because he's done just that.

That's my point.

 

[DirtyManos]

Wait, what are the other economists and studies?

Oh just stump speech....

 

[davepoobond]

Anyone else think Hillary looks like a Dentist in that get up?

looks more like a lawyer.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

No thats not what I said. Shes popular among democrats but New York isnt really her home state. Compare her polling average here to other candidates "home states" this primary.

Ted Cruz won 43% of the vote in Texas. Rubio lost Florida. Kasich won with 46% in Ohio.
New York hasn't voted yet, so no results for Trump. Sanders won Vermont by like a billion.

Hillary is currently set to win 50-60% of the vote in New York.

Other than Sanders, she's above the other candidates.

 

[Ashodin]

DAMN RIGHT

 

[User 463088]

Bernie: I substitute your reality for my own, and, here's my stump speech. Enjoy.

 

[BitStyle]

"A lot of other studies come up with different figures such as..."

*Stump Speech*

wat?

The usual

 

[norm9]

Wall Street is paying for it/tuition/wall/etc.

 

[Jeels]

Hillary is just as hawkish as Bush era republicans. So indistinguishable. I'll still be voting for her in November against the republicans but this is really upsetting hearing her spout nonsense.

 

[And_Gignac]

I would argue the majority support Israel and Hillary's stance. Which matters during a vote...

In New York? They certainly do. And this will cost Sanders dearly in the primary.

I admire he is standing up by his principles regarding this issue, though.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Wait, what are the other economists and studies?

Gerald "voting for Clinton" Friedman, and...

 

[johnsmith]

Here he goes again with the stump speech.

 

[Meowster]

Sure if you count the boost of republican support.

It's a closed primary. Republicans can't vote on the Democratic ballot.

 

[semisonic]

bern you don't disagree with economists without the proper background. come on man.

wait
'I pay for that by telling wall street there will be a tax on wall street speculation'
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Y2Kev]

I think this is overly cynical, at least in the sense of the overall direction of the US-Israel relationship.

Favorability of Israel is like 70%. I can't post links on a tablet lol. I just totally think !moderation on this will be very very slow.

 

[Effect]

Just posting some tweets I see around:

Mark Murray ✔ ‎@mmurraypolitics
In that entire back-and-forth over Israel:

Sanders was speaking to America's left.

Clinton was speaking to New York.

Exactly.