Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son

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Alandrus Sun said:
Yo WTF is this? Is this seriously like an hour and forty-four minute podcast explanation of Lex Luthor in the film? That's about as long as the fucking movie! Listen, if the explanation is truly that long then it should be evidence right there of the massive fucking problem that is Lex Luthor in the film.
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LMAO what the fuck is this shit.

You realize great movies, great literature, and great art in general has a lot of big analysis done of it. Are you basically saying every classic novel in existence is bad because someone wrote an explanation/analysis of it that was fucking long? Some great novels have things written about them longer than the work itself. That's evidence of good work not bad...
 
RDreamer said:
LMAO what the fuck is this shit.

You realize great movies, great literature, and great art in general has a lot of big analysis done of it. Are you basically saying every classic novel in existence is bad because someone wrote an explanation/analysis of it that was fucking long? Some great novels have things written about them longer than the work itself. That's evidence of good work not bad...
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You have a good point except your last sentence and this being good film or 'good art'

But yeah long analysis should not be dismissed Forreal. But it's not a sign of good or bad art. It can be for either
 
So is this it for Snes games in the UK then after the last two? I was hoping for Starfox, maybe DKC3 to finish off that collection, both I thought were coming and I thought I saw Street Fighter 2 mentioned too.
 
SolidSnake9 said:
Saw this earlier. For people that don't like Martha scene.

http://imgur.com/a/DIdY8
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Yes. I don't think it was executed very well in the film, especially the need to show the flashback yet again, but i still maintain it was a good idea. People are being deliberately facetious about this scene. Especially the fools who think they literally bonded over their mom's names lmao.

This whole movie is good ideas executed absolutely poorly. It shows that terrio and snyder are onto something but they do not mix well together.
 
Dahbomb said:
That's what everyone assumed it is but they should've made the connection of him being disgusted in himself for being like Joe Chill more clear for the average person.

And the Lois Lane interjection was still lame.
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Lois's presence in most of her scenes in both movies is lame. Shes there because the script needs her to be.
 
Okay so the dream scene had Parademons in it but the smaller insect dudes looked like H.I.V.E. drones.. Bruce could be getting a huge info dump about the future and his mind could be restructuring it as a dream so he doesn't go crazy from the strain.
 
Dahbomb said:
That's what everyone assumed it is but they should've made the connection of him being disgusted in himself for being like Joe Chill more clear for the average person.

And the Lois Lane interjection was still lame.
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That, and it doesn't exactly paint Batman as the beacon of intelligence that he needed something that overt and hammy to start humanizing Superman. It's not just a matter of empathy, it's just a basic measure of self awareness that he lacks. And also it doesn't exactly reflect well on him that the only way in which he can show compassion for others is if he measures them against himself.

There were ways of depicting what they were going for in a way that still respected the intelligence of the character, but that's not how it all worked out.
 
Discotheque said:
This whole movie is good ideas executed absolutely poorly. It shows that terrio and snyder are onto something but they do not mix well together.
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THIS. I was talking something similar with friends who were asking me why I don't like this movie. I like many kinds of movies, but I am pretty harsh with the one who want pretend be so serious but fail because at its core are very silly.
 
jmood88 said:
"I need a helicopter"

"No, we can't afford it"

"But I really need one"

"Ok"

*Lois somehow appears in exactly the right place*
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That's her superpower. Being at the right place at the wrong time.

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SolidSnake9 said:
Saw this earlier. For people that don't like Martha scene.

http://imgur.com/a/DIdY8
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It was badly executed. Cavill's "Save Martha" was horrendous. The whole scene was goofier than it should have been.

Aside from that the issue is how "save Martha" was all it took. Batman decided to believe this dude was just an alien for 18 months, clearly didn't do any investigating regarding his background (even Lois Lane did that), then is taken aback that Superman's a being that cares about his mother.

I didn't make the Chill connection, and I'm not convinced the filmmakers had it in mind either. That would have been powerful to portray in the film. If it were a kryptonite gun it probably would have more easily conveyed. Alternatively they could have had him stare down at his hand an see a gun where the spear was. Anyway, I don't think that was what Terrio & Co. were going for.

There was a website that discussed how the scene could have been done better. You could have had Alfred pleading in Batman's ear via a communicator not to do it. You could have had Batman look more conflicted about the whole thing instead of rageful. You could have had him toss down the spear and tell Superman "This isn't over", or something that shows his grudge goes beyond Superman caring for his mother.
 
Veelk said:
That, and it doesn't exactly paint Batman as the beacon of intelligence that he needed something that overt and hammy to start humanizing Superman. It's not just a matter of empathy, it's just a basic measure of self awareness that he lacks. And also it doesn't exactly reflect well on him that the only way in which he can show compassion for others is if he measures them against himself.

There were ways of depicting what they were going for in a way that still respected the intelligence of the character, but that's not how it all worked out.
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World's greatest detective can't even figure out that the guy he's been obsessed over two years might just have family and people he cares about.
 
SolidSnake9 said:
Saw this earlier. For people that don't like Martha scene.

http://imgur.com/a/DIdY8
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I honestly understood this when I saw it during the film, so I was shocked when I came out of the theatre and was derping about "WHY DID HE STOP JUST BECAUSE SUPERMAN SAID A NAME"

The execution could have been better, but the meaning behind the scene made sense, and I think the meaning is what most people missed/take issue with when it comes to that scene. At least from the people I talked to.
 
I finally saw this the other day. It was alright, I would say the RT score putting it under Batman forever was ridiculous but I wouldn't actively defend this movie. Put it about the same as Man of Steel for me. Loved Ben Affleck as Batman, thought the scenes with him being "predator" were very fitting and did a great job capturing the fear portion of his character that has never really been captured in film before. Like that whole scene with the women wanting to stay in that cage and suspense, it was really a creepy scene as it should be with Batman. I didn't mind them taking a Miller DKR approach with his character, I always felt it was really silly for someone that smart and scoffs at the naive to not drop the "no kill" approach. Or at least, i'm not going to go out of my way to kill you or save you approach. At some point the body count of his villains he constantly lets go are going to rack up too high on his mind.

The main problem I had with MoS with the wanton destruction was directly tackled in this movie and thats what I wanted to see and I give the movie kudos for taking that approach. This is a Superman that needs to learn to control his powers and learn to be a super hero, he didn't have 8 seasons of Smallville to teach him all that. As far as Cavill I thought he was alright. I mean Supes is not going to be oozing personality and really he should be giving an aura of arrogance off. I'm sure Batman wants to punch him in his perfect teeth every time they meet.

Wonder Woman was also alright. I don't think we got enough time with her for me to say one way or the other but I liked her costume and her powerset was perfect. She had the right intensity mixed with regal pompousness. I think the plot involving her intro and showing the others was groan worthy but whatever. I did fall asleep a couple of times during the movie and that has never happened with a super hero movie before with me so I guess that says something. If I were to sum up the main problem of the movie it would be that they started with a couple of objectives (like the JL intros and getting DKR moments) and built the movie around getting to those points instead of letting a story progress naturally. Since the plot in between those major points seemed so contrived and pointless thats why the movie dragged for me. They probably would have been better off just having them duke it out when they first met in the movie just because they were pissed at each other and then going from there.
 
Watch Batman Forever again. I had more fun watching that than BvS. Both films have baffling bad villains but Batman Forever is better paced, has a better story, has better character development, knows how to utilize levity.

Batman Forever is a better film than Batman v Superman.

Also DKR Batman doesn't kill. It's a huge part of the story.
 
Anth0ny said:
The execution could have been better, but the meaning behind the scene made sense, and I think the meaning is what most people missed/take issue with when it comes to that scene. At least from the people I talked to.
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"The execution could have been better" is pretty much my take away with just about every critique I had with BvS. On paper, there isn't anything just inherently bad about anything really, its just that often times the execution on so many of the themes and ideas the movie was playing with weren't handled super smoothly. I guess, in other words, its a Zack Snyder movie.
 
inky said:
This image is so cringe worthy. EVERYONE understands this, this isn't some deep "too smart for you" revelation.
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That image was made to explain it to the people who don't since it seems like a shit ton of people don't get the scene. I've no idea how many times I've heard people boiled down the scene to 'they became best friends because their moms are named Martha' which is a complete misunderstanding of the scene.

The scene could have been handled better (like most things in this movie) but it's not as dumb as them not fighting anymore just because their moms share a name.

So many people misunderstood that scene that my mother asked me if it was true that they teamed up because their mom's name was the same. She kept seeing people saying that on facebook.

I'm sure most people on Gaf understood that scene but to say that 'everyone' did is just not true. I wish it was since I'm tired of people using this critic to show how bad the movie is.
 
SolidSnake9 said:
Saw this earlier. For people that don't like Martha scene.

http://imgur.com/a/DIdY8
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Awful comic trying to explain "The Tale of Two Marthas", which doesn't need explaining at all. It's not being made fun of because it's hard to understand. It's being made fun of because it was done in the most hamfisted way, ignoring Batman's ability to do some investigative research beforehand and making Superman call his mom "Martha" instead of "my mother" just for the sake of the scene.

Having said that, this comic is WORSE than the Martha scene itself.
 
Alienous said:
Watch Batman Forever again. I had more fun watching that than BvS. Both films have baffling bad villains but Batman Forever is better paced, has a better story, has better character development, knows how to utilize levity.

Batman Forever is a better film than Batman v Superman.

Also DKR Batman doesn't kill. It's a huge part of the story.
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No, no no, this is some horrible revisionist history thats been going on with Batman Forever just to shit on BvsS. Batman randomly hooks up with hot psych doctors who just happen to live in luxury penthouses and sleep in the nude. Riddler is a disgruntled employee who resorts to murder because of some crazy fan stalker bullshit he has going on with Bruce Wayne of all people, and knows where Two Face lives. Riddler isn't actually Riddler even, he was Jim Carrey given carte blanche because at the time he was Jim "fucking" Carrey who was method as fuck. It was a horrible movie people, lets stop trying to buld up shit just so you can tear down something else.

And yea I didn't mean like DKR Batman kills, I meant the gritty, questioning what hes been doing Batman especially with the Joker scene. Like the Batman branding is something Miller Batman would do and this could be a believable evolution of that.
 
Replicant said:
Awful comic trying to explain "The Tale of Two Marthas", which doesn't need explaining at all. It's not being made fun of because it's hard to understand. It's being made fun of because it was done in the most hamfisted way,
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Hamfisted? Yes. Doesn't need explanation? No. If people understood the scene, "Lol, they friends cuz their mom's have the same" wouldn't exist
 
unholyrevenger72 said:
Hamfisted? Yes. Doesn't need explanation? No. If people understood the scene, "Lol, they friends cuz their mom's have the same" wouldn't exist
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Well, about that....when people say that they are purposely making fun of how the film present that fact. It's not because they don't know the reasoning behind it. They just want to make fun of the scene in the most insulting way possible.
 
Replicant said:
Well, about that....when people say that they are purposely making fun of how the film present that fact. It's not because they don't know the reasoning behind it. They just want to make fun of the film in the most insulting way possible.
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you give people too much credit
 
Dead said:
you give people too much credit
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Well, look at this thread. How many people have said that they actually understood what the scene was about. Sure, GAF is not an aggregation of the RW but how do you know people IRL are not being purposely dense just to rile you up even more?
 
The Martha scene was awful because Amy Adams ruined it. The anger in Ben's voice, the hesitation in his actions, he was doing a pretty great job at selling the scene. I was completely buying it. But then Amy Adams runs in, gives a half-assed delivery and the scene just kinda dies out. It needed to linger a bit longer. A more plentiful exchange between the two leads was needed. The scene just felt like it cut short.

The execution was just plain bad. And largely, the character of Lois was just awful. The movie would have been much better without her but that scene in particular was hurt by her inclusion.
 
Primethius said:
The Martha scene was awful because Amy Adams ruined it. The anger in Ben's voice, the hesitation in his actions, he was doing a pretty great job at selling the scene. I was completely buying it. But then Amy Adams runs in, gives a half-assed delivery and the scene just kinda dies out. It needed to linger a bit longer. A more plentiful exchange between the two leads was needed. The scene just felt like it cut short.

The execution was just plain bad. And largely, The character of Lois was just awful. The movie would have been much better without her but that scene in particular was hurt by her inclusion.
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Yeah, it would have been great but for that one thing lmao


SolidSnake9 said:
Saw this earlier. For people that don't like Martha scene.

http://imgur.com/a/DIdY8
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So if he were to say (as any person naturally would) "Find him. Save Mother!" would anything change because that has exactly the same effect without the "clever" twist that their mothers names are the same.

Would Amy Adams have to run in from off screen and tell us the big Shamalyan twist? Nope, it would just be a simple scene where he realizes Superman is a dude too.

Instead someone figured out the big plot twist and decided he was a damn genius and we have the ridiculous scene we have today.
 
Replicant said:
Well, about that....when people say that they are purposely making fun of how the film present that fact. It's not because they don't know the reasoning behind it. They just want to make fun of the scene in the most insulting way possible.
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You're grasping at straws. When people want to make fun of something, they don't deliberately misrepresent it, they repackage it with some hyperbole "Lol, they friends cuz their mom's have the same"
 
Jibbajabbawockky said:
"The execution could have been better" is pretty much my take away with just about every critique I had with BvS. On paper, there isn't anything just inherently bad about anything really, its just that often times the execution on so many of the themes and ideas the movie was playing with weren't handled super smoothly. I guess, in other words, its a Zack Snyder movie.
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Yup, and if he hadn't shown that this is just who he is as a director, then there would be some hope for the future but it's not going to get any better for Justice League unless Warner really decides to take control and have some talented person check over Snyder's work.
 
They become best friends because their mothers share the same name. That is literally what happens. Describing it simply like that might ignore some nuance (lol) over why this happens, but that is actually the plot point. "Batman learns they both have mothers so they become best friends" is equally true/dumb.

I know every character in this movie is bad, but Batman is especially dumb. I have no idea why anybody says he was okay in it.
 
deadscreensky said:
They become best friends because their mothers share the same name. That is literally what happens. Describing it simply like that might ignore some nuance (lol) over why this happens, but that is actually the plot point. "Batman learns they both have mothers so they become best friends" is equally true/dumb.
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This post is why that image exists.
 
Ponn01 said:
No, no no, this is some horrible revisionist history thats been going on with Batman Forever just to shit on BvsS. Batman randomly hooks up with hot psych doctors who just happen to live in luxury penthouses and sleep in the nude. Riddler is a disgruntled employee who resorts to murder because of some crazy fan stalker bullshit he has going on with Bruce Wayne of all people, and knows where Two Face lives. Riddler isn't actually Riddler even, he was Jim Carrey given carte blanche because at the time he was Jim "fucking" Carrey who was method as fuck. It was a horrible movie people, lets stop trying to buld up shit just so you can tear down something else.

And yea I didn't mean like DKR Batman kills, I meant the gritty, questioning what hes been doing Batman especially with the Joker scene. Like the Batman branding is something Miller Batman would do and this could be a believable evolution of that.
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Batman hooks up with a hot psychiatrist who is horny beyond belief for him. It isn't random. She comes to Gotham because she's fascinated by a psychopath who spends his nights beating up criminals. Bruce is attracted to her because she understands the pain he's kept pent up. He meets his Harley Quinn, basically. Actually, if there was ever a Batman romance that made narrative sense, it's that one.

Riddler is a genius who decides he wants to show Bruce Wayne how much better he is than him, out of spite. He's as much the Riddler as Lex was Lex Luthor in Batman v Superman, if not more, and I mean that genuinely. At least he does riddle-y shit.

Batman & Robin is a horrible movie. Batman Forever is a better movie than Batman v Superman.
 
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