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[boiled goose]

There is no modern day version in Europe. There are for the most part capitalist economies that have been tempered by social democrat governments. Contrary to this weird belief on here, sometimes by Europeans themselves inexplicably, Europe is not under socialist rule.

Agreed Europe is not under "socialist rule". The modern equivalent is what you pointed out. Largely capitalist economies with good social services.

Which is why I think Bernie adopting the democratic socialist/socialist democrat label is probably a mistake. He should just describe his personal philosophies and policy ideas without the baggage of labels.

Sure, but what's the point when the topic is national electability?

The point is being accurate!

He has called himself a democratic socialist though, which is all the ammo you would need for a hundred attack ads.

Agreed here.
No doubt attacks would happen.

 

[Fenderputty]

Which still implies government ownership of the means of production. .

Not necessarily. But trying to explain market based consumer good vs. government owned utilities (healthcare included) isn't an easy thing for the average american to grasp either.

EDIT: The more consistent thing I see with socialism is the public ownership of labor via co-ops.

 

[boiled goose]

Not necessarily. But trying to explain market based consumer good vs. government owned utilities (healthcare included) isn't an easy thing for the average american to grasp either.

Yup.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Agreed Europe is not under "socialist rule". The modern equivalent is what you pointed out. Largely capitalist economies with good social services.

Which is why I think Bernie adopting the democratic socialist/socialist democrat label is probably a mistake. He should just describe his personal philosophies and policy ideas without the baggage of labels.



The point is being accurate!



Agreed here.
No doubt attacks would happen.

That would involve him altering his message, which doesn't seem to be something he is comfortable with.

Like, how is it even mathematically possible for his avg. donation to always be $27? You would expect that number to change as he raises more money, but somehow it's still $27.

 

[Xe4]

Black voters 75-25 Clinton.
https://mobile.twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/722558932531568641

 

[Velcro Fly]

That would involve him altering his message, which doesn't seem to be something he is comfortable with.

Like, how is it even mathematically possible for his avg. donation to always be $27? You would expect that number to change as he raises more money, but somehow it's still $27.

One of the options for donations on his website is exactly $27, so it is one of the manras of the campaign and something they really play into with their message

 

[boiled goose]

That would involve him altering his message, which doesn't seem to be something he is comfortable with.

Like, how is it even mathematically possible for his avg. donation to always be $27? You would expect that number to change as he raises more money, but somehow it's still $27.

I think he should have just had a better strategy early in his campaign. Just repudiate labels, talk about his ideas. Say capitalism works for this, government for that because X. Dont say you want to be like Sweden, just say American can do better, etc.

the $27 thing is a catchy factoid. not really that important haha. Sounds better than $350,000 a plate.

Black voters 75-25 Clinton.
https://mobile.twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/722558932531568641

Not Mississippi levels, but still HEAVY Clinton.

 

[Sax1031]

i thought i heard on the news that something like 120k voters were left off of the voting records in New York.

that is crazy if true. talk about disenfranchisement.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Black voters 75-25 Clinton.
https://mobile.twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/722558932531568641

I was told Sanders would do better with Black voters that aren't from the South.

 

[Fenderputty]

i thought i heard on the news that something like 120k voters were left off of the voting records in New York.

that is crazy if true. talk about disenfranchisement.

lol

 

[BlastProcessing]

One of the options for donations on his website is exactly $27, so it is one of the manras of the campaign and something they really play into with their message

Oh it's become a very good fundraising tool, but his numbers in February Sander's said that More than 4.7 Million contributors donated a total of $137 Million. That would be $29.14.

Look, it's a silly thing and doesn't mean much, but I think it is a bit silly how rigid his stump has been for so long. Dude stays on message, can't fault him there.

I think he should have just had a better strategy early in his campaign. Just repudiate labels, talk about his ideas. Say capitalism works for this, government for that because X. Dont say you want to be like Sweden, just say American can do better, etc.

the $27 thing is a catchy factoid. not really that important haha. Sounds better than $350,000 a plate.



Not Mississippi levels, but still HEAVY Clinton.

Personally, $350,000 a plate sounds great when it means that money is going to Congressional races.

 

[TheAbsolution]

"We're gonna do just fine in New York"
Yup, he knows.

 

[boiled goose]

I was told Sanders would do better with Black voters that aren't from the South.

That is better haha. Just still terrible. in Michigan he almost split the young black vote so the age race breakdown would be interesting in NY. Superclosed vs open though.

 

[B-Dubs]

i thought i heard on the news that something like 120k voters were left off of the voting records in New York.

that is crazy if true. talk about disenfranchisement.

When you move you need to re-register so you can vote in your new congressional district. Also, if you don't vote for 5 years straight you also need to re-register because they'll think you're dead.

 

[superdeluxe]

Black voters 75-25 Clinton.
https://mobile.twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/722558932531568641

Welp

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Sanders just sounds like a sore loser here, come on man. It's this kind of crying wolf that makes actual bullshit like voter oppression and voter ID laws get lost in the noise.

 

[metalslimer]

I'm honestly excited to her Bernies spin on New York considering he's been whining about the south distorting reality

 

[boiled goose]

When you move you need to re-register so you can vote in your new congressional district. Also, if you don't vote for 5 years straight you also need to re-register because they'll think you're dead.

Definitely late to whine about the rules now but i do think ideally all voting should allow day off enrollment. GE, primary, midterms, etc.

More people voting is better.

I'm honestly excited to her Bernies spin on New York considering he's been whining about the south distorting reality

Don't expect much. The south favoring clinton is true, the counterpoint is of course she won ohio + others too.

Sanders getting mauled on super Tuesday 2 weakens his claim regarding south. His better argument is independents.

 

[Fox318]

Black voters 75-25 Clinton.
https://mobile.twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/722558932531568641

kinda curious about the age breakdown of black voters.

 

[superdeluxe]

I'm honestly excited to her Bernies spin on New York considering he's been whining about the south distorting reality

Independents can't vote, disenfranchisement etc etc

 

[metalslimer]

Definitely late to whine about the rules now but i do think ideally all voting should allow day off enrollment. GE, primary, midterms, etc.

More people voting is better.

Unless we want to start getting into voter id requirements it seems like it would be a huge headache to not have some period to process it. I'd definitely agree it could be closer considering the age we live in.

 

[giga]

I'm honestly excited to her Bernies spin on New York considering he's been whining about the south distorting reality

"Of course I wasn't going to win the home state of Wall Street. I actually consider this loss an endorsement!"

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

This Sanders supporter on CNN is really something. Spend a minute talking about disenfranchisement and having your vote count then brags about how Sanders picked up delegates in Colorado and Nevada through some of the least democratic methods available.

 

[Prologue]

Whats up with the hostility towards Bernie?

 

[Jimmy King]

Whats up with the hostility towards Bernie?

Surely you mean "from Bernie"?

 

[boiled goose]

Unless we want to start getting into voter id requirements it seems like it would be a huge headache to not have some period to process it. I'd definitely agree it could be closer considering the age we live in.

As you point out, this is easy to solve with technology. We already have a social security number. If you proof of residence you should be able to vote and enroll day of.

Again, not complaining about current rules, just what it would ideally be.

Whats up with the hostility towards Bernie?

New to politics threads on NeoGAF I see.. haha

 

[Kin5290]

Whats up with the hostility towards Bernie?

Bernie and his supporters have shown a pattern of playing fast and loose with facts and throwing the Democrats under the bus in order to push his campaign along.

 

[GK86]

Whats up with the hostility towards Bernie?

Been this way for awhile now.

 

[Xe4]

kinda curious about the age breakdown of black voters.

Dunno, do know that exit polls showing Bern leading 18-29 by 69-31%

https://mobile.twitter.com/joshtpm/status/722555845326860289

 

[Tubie]

Whats up with the hostility towards Bernie?

He started turning people off when he went negative.

I used to like him before he started using the same bullshit republicans use to attack Clinton, now I can't wait for him to go back to Vermont.

 

[metalslimer]

Been this way for awhile now.

Mainly since he began doing things like throwing people under the bus for supporting downticket races. There was a lot of Bernie love at the beginning of this even if people weren't going to vote for him.

I think if Bernie had stuck to the same message he could have done a lot more good than he is doing now

 

[Cipherr]

Black voters 75-25 Clinton.
https://mobile.twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/722558932531568641

New York is a southern Conservative State, of course it would turn out this way

 

[strikeselect]

Whats up with the hostility towards Bernie?

Check threads about Bernie's tax plan. Read the reactions.

 

[boiled goose]

Bernie and his supporters have shown a pattern of playing fast and loose with facts and throwing the Democrats under the bus in order to push his campaign along.

Weird response. Two separate issues. Loose with the facts? Both sides.
Democrats under bus, sure, but largely when deserved imo.

BTW, you shouldn't generalize. Apparently serious offense here on GAF.

 

[uncelestial]

Whats up with the hostility towards Bernie?

It's NeoGAF. Don't get caught out here.

 

[Xe4]

My prediction from exit polls 56-44 Clinton.

 

[Mercury Fred]

Whats up with the hostility towards Bernie?

I liked him a lot until his campaign went so negative, started using Republican talking points and he revealed himself to be completely out of his depth on any/ all policy questions, not the least of which are the centerpieces of his platform.

 

[Koomaster]

He started turning people off when he went negative.

I used to like him before he started using the same bullshit republicans use to attack Clinton, now I can't wait for him to go back to Vermont.

I personally just want him out of politics at this point. Is there a method for kicking someone out of the democratic party at least? Maybe he will leave on his own. But I definitely want to see him frozen out by his peers going forward the way he's ran this campaign. Not that he was effectual before but just to make it clear to him that he's burned some bridges here.

 

[boiled goose]

I liked him a lot until his campaign went so negative, started using Republican talking points and he revealed himself to be completely out of his depth on any/ all policy questions, not the least of which are the centerpieces of his platform.

Depressing how these accusations have stuck with some people...

Yeah. Republicans attack Democrats for their ties to big money and being too pro war. The daily news hit piece was not all that it was implied to be.

I personally just want him out of politics at this point. Is there a method for kicking someone out of the democratic party at least? Maybe he will leave on his own. But I definitely want to see him frozen out by his peers going forward the way he's ran this campaign. Not that he was effectual before but just to make it clear to him that he's burned some bridges here.

Amazing. First he never had too many bridges.
Second, you want the most progressive senator with a ridiculous approval rating in his home State, who lead the opposition to the iraq war, who has lead veterans rights issues, who fought for the working conditions of immigrants out of politics?

How freaking depressing. Just because he pointed out some flaws with your candidate and party of choice. Simply unbelievable.

 

[Xe4]

I personally just want him out of politics at this point. Is there a method for kicking someone out of the democratic party at least? Maybe he will leave on his own. But I definitely want to see him frozen out by his peers going forward the way he's ran this campaign. Not that he was effectual before but just to make it clear to him that he's burned some bridges here.

After this election he's gonna be gon from the democratic party. He already declared running as an indipendant in VT.

 

[Mercury Fred]

Depressing how these accusations have stuck with some people...

Yeah. Republicans attack Democrats for their ties to big money and being too pro war. The daily news hit piece was not all that it was implied to be.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean in this post.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Depressing how these accusations have stuck with some people...

Yeah. Republicans attack Democrats for their ties to big money and being too pro war. The daily news hit piece was not all that it was implied to be.

Nice strawman. He never once implied that every single tactic ever used by Bernie's team was a GOP tactic, just some, which is absolutely true.

 

[Wafflecakes]

DP

 

[boiled goose]

Nice strawman. He never once implied that every single tactic ever used by Bernie's team was a GOP tactic, just some, which is absolutely true.

I need examples. Those have been the two big ones.

Republican tactics? I would squarely put Clinton tactics there. Fearmongering about guns, accusations of sexism, Bernie being anti Israel, etc.

 

[metalslimer]

I need examples.

Republican tactics? I would squarely put Clinton tactics there. Fearmongering about guns, accusations of sexism, etc.

Talking about how your opponent is bad for voting for an NRA backed bill is a republican tactic?

 

[gutter_trash]

Cruz surrogates sound like a bunch of slithering worms talking about 2nd Ballot, smooching delegates, and procedure.

can't watch them on TV

 

[Piggus]

Most of this country is a fucking embarrassment when it comes to voting access and registration. Join the goddamn 21st century already. Christ.

 

[The Adder]

I need examples. Those have been the two big ones.

Republican tactics? I would squarely put Clinton tactics there. Fearmongering about guns, accusations of sexism, Bernie being anti Israel, etc.

The fuck?

 

[Wafflecakes]

I need examples. Those have been the two big ones.

Republican tactics? I would squarely put Clinton tactics there. Fearmongering about guns, accusations of sexism, Bernie being anti Israel, etc.

Wtf is this?

What universe do you live in?


Hillary is to the left of Bernie on guns, how on earth do you somehow equate that to GOP tactics?

 

[boiled goose]

Talking about how your opponent is bad for voting for an NRA backed bill is a republican tactic?

I do think Hillary has a stronger anti gun stance. Definitely. To imply that Bernie is pro gun is silly, if not an outright lie.

The accusation was not the direction of the vote, which has been explained. The accusation was the reason for the vote. Which was total projection.