ANBUcaptainACID
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Didn't Synder say that Robin's weapon was broken thats why it looks sharp?
Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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Lex can be small and skinny to contrast Superman physically, if you must, but do not make him a worm.
Eisenberg's Luthor was a worm.
This might be the best dressing down of Snyder and Batman v Superman of them all, and there have been plenty.
Dash_Riprock
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No, Moviebob's review still holds that honor.
Nah, I feel the worm is part of the charm. Superman is this mountain of a man, bass in his voice, confident, powerful. Lex is small, almost pitiful looking but it doesn't matter because his brain is his weapon.
I fully understand why people dislike the Eisenberg version starting from the actor all the way through to the portrayal but it worked for me in spades. Easily my favorite moments in the movie are his scenes.
Watching now ... you might be onto something...
One of the best, better than the film.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. I was so fucking ready to hate Eisenberg and he ended up being one of my favorite parts of the movie and one of my favorite villains.
The Hermit
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I just read his review, and while some of his opinions are too over-the-top for me to endorse, he captures the exhaustion I felt leaving the screening perfectly.
Superhero movie fatigue didn't seem real to me until BvS came along.
cj_iwakura
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Just saw it, and overall really enjoyed it.
This was pretty much my sentiment. But they nailed the shift in tones between their two stories, you could always tell whether it was going to be a Superman or Batman segment. Laurence Fishburne was great too.
This was pretty much my sentiment. But they nailed the shift in tones between their two stories, you could always tell whether it was going to be a Superman or Batman segment. Laurence Fishburne was great too.
I don't get the hate or what people expected.
Overall, i loved it. BEST SUPERMAN MOVIE in my opinion. Heck, this has a better story than most cliche superhero movie stories.
edit: Plus best batman
20cent
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No need to justify why you have seen the movie, it wasn't captain america or 2girls1cup movie.
So I have a question about the scene where Lois throws away the spear and then later on retrieves it. What was so confusing about that scene? Frosty from Collider brought it up in a recent video as being a major plot hole but I don't understand why. Did anyone not understand her reasoning for throwing the spear away or was there more of a problem that that she thought to retrieve it? Personally, I thought that scene depicted the two sides of her rationale very well. It was the like the most human thing that happened in the movie.
Discotheque
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there's nothing confusing about it, it's just silly and unnecessary for an already bloated movie. retrieve the spear she already threw into the water only to get trapped so we can give lois some more screentime during the doomsday fight. it was just shoehorning her into the damsel in distress situation.
she really should have been out of the picture after the Batman and Superman fight tbh. i hope they give her something better to do in justice league. really she should have been the one to see those justice league cameos/investigate lexcorp instead of wonder woman imo.
That still doesn't make it a plot hole but just, as you said, unnecessary. I've heard it called a plot hole more than a few times. Luthor knowing Superman can't see through lead or has x-ray vision in the first place is a plot hole. What Lois did was not.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Lois being in that scene is another factor to Batman realizing Superman was just a man and that Batman was losing himself. People don't give Lois's involvement in that scene any credit whatsoever.
Discotheque
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i said after the fight. miss me with that "you don't understand the depth of this film" mess.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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I was more talking on how people reacted to that entire scene in general. Many give flak for that Martha comment, but rarely do people acknowledge this woman risking her life to be with this alien that Batman wanted to destroy.
Discotheque
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eh these movie blogs since the big comic book movie explosion have been pretty stupid when looking at many of these films. best to ignore that sort of stuff. the term 'plot hole' is mad overused now at this point
Nemesis121
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Anyone seen the theater release and the new rated R cut yet? is it better? or still shit?
The ultimate cut is available digitally on Cineplex or some such service in the UK I think?
Better. If you hated this movie because of Lex or because of the Martha scene or what not you'll still hate it; you'll just hate it slightly less.
My score went up from 5 to a 6.5 maybe a 7.
It was available in UK? Damn it where?
Care to give more detailed impressions?
I think Cineplex is Canadian. My bad
http://store.cineplex.com/store/search.jsp?screen=low&_requestid=3219062#&isIOS=true
Care to give more detailed impressions?
Not particularly haha but I'll answer any questions.
Scenes just flow better.
- Lead up to the fight is much better with Clark having more stuff to and you really get an idea that the ideologies of Batman and Superman clash.
- You get the impression that Lex is pulling the strings and manipulating everyone more than the TC.
- African scene is expanded greatly but it still pretty much ends like it does in the TC.
- If you hated the odd and obvious Justice League teases it's still here so like I said, it doesn't fix all of the problems.
Oh right, yeah I'm from UK but I got it from Cineplex too.
Seasoned Badger
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Care to give more detailed impressions?
I think Cineplex is Canadian. My bad
http://store.cineplex.com/store/search.jsp?screen=low&_requestid=3219062#&isIOS=true
Most of the scenes that were cut had to do with Lois, Clark and Lex Luthor. It'll explain why Lois is in the movie, why Clark/Superman wants Batman to quit and how Lex Luthor was the mastermind behind everything.
Honestly, I don't think it's going to change anyone's opinion.
How do we know Luthor knows he can't see through lead?
cr0w
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In Man of Steel, Superman says and shows that he can see through the two-way mirror in the interrogation room. Luthor certainly has the means to find that out. Couple that with the fact that x-rays can't penetrate lead and it's not hard to put two and two together if someone is as smart as Lex is.
yanipheonu
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One of my biggest problem with the Martha scene is that, well, using your parents name instead of referring to them as mother or mama seems symbolic of disrespect and irreverance to your mother.
Bart sure isn't being respectful calling his dad by his name.
It actually would have been more interesting if Superman had reverted to a childlike "mama...mama..." showing the rough state he was in.
Like a shell shocked soldier going from bravado to childlike behavior.
Bart sure isn't being respectful calling his dad by his name.
It actually would have been more interesting if Superman had reverted to a childlike "mama...mama..." showing the rough state he was in.
Like a shell shocked soldier going from bravado to childlike behavior.
I imagine he does, because Lois
reacts "that's why he didn't see it"
I would've perferred he kept with Martha, but the scene afterwards is more like "no, I can't turn into what I promised I'd protect Gotham from... I won't turn into Joe Chill killing Martha on the street"... or something along those lines.
What did he mean by this?
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One of my biggest problem with the Martha scene is that, well, using your parents name instead of referring to them as mother or mama seems symbolic of disrespect and irreverance to your mother.
Bart sure isn't being respectful calling his dad by his name.
It actually would have been more interesting if Superman had reverted to a childlike "mama...mama..." showing the rough state he was in.
Like a shell shocked soldier going from bravado to childlike behavior.
Batman doesnt know who Superman's mom is.
But he could save "M-Martha...Kent" in Superman's place if he dies. It's that simple, come one.
Seeing a crying baby Superman sounds horrible.
I don't know about this. I've watched that scene multiple times and not once did I hear anything resembling him trying to say Kent.
He tries to say "Kkkkkk"... but Batman's metal boot on his throat doesn't let him.
That sounded more like he was just choking because Batman's boot is on his throat.
Works either way for me. It is after saying "Martha" after all.
Well I was mainly asking because Icon says it's a plot hole that he knows Clark can't see through lead. The movie doesn't really explicitly say that Lex knows this
It's implied in the Ultimate Cut because of what Lois finds out,
that Lex lined the wheelchair with lead
Discotheque
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dude prolly figured out the physiology and limitations of kryptonians as he worked on Zod.
I kind of liked it in the TC because it really shows Supes conflict. He really didn't see it because he wasn't looking for it, which worries him. Ah well
MegaManTrigger
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How would he know about the extent of X-Ray Vision with Zod's dead body though?
That's still a valid part of his character's conflict. Lois doesn't find out about the lead-lined wheel chair until after that conversation.
SirPinkyNose
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Yea, that was him. The guy Batman had been tailing a majority of the movie.
No one would say their mother's first name in that or any situation. He said Martha because Snyder thought that was fine.
It wasn't. If he said "save my mother....save martha" or "lex has my mother"....literally any other permutation would have been better than what was in the film. But Zack and Goyer thought the Martha bit was so damn clever.
But then again, if both Batman and Superman weren't portrayed as idiots being lead around the nose by writing conveniences they would have talked it out in some way and would have never fought.
He was the lead evil guy in the desert at the beginning of the movie.
Also Jimmy Olsen was the CIA agent that was shot in the head by KGBeast.
Snyder makes the best decisions!
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