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[ryutaro's mama]

This is the EXACT same reaction I saw here on GAF (and all over the internet, media) with Ferguson and Baltimore.

Ignore the protesters and their cause (majority of which are peaceful) and focus on the instigators (who infiltrate any protest with violence and disruption on their minds) instead.

Then lump them all together as violent.

 

[jmdajr]

More fun Today

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/donald-trump-protests-republican-convention-california/index.html

 

[excelsiorlef]

This is the EXACT same reaction I saw here on GAF (and all over the internet) with Ferguson and Baltimore.

Ignore the protesters and their cause (majority of which are peaceful) and focus on the instigators (who infiltrate any protest with violence and disruption on their minds) instead.

Then lump them all together as violent.

That is the go to framing for every left wing protest literally ever.

Back when I was protesting the Iraq War here in Canada, we'd consistently have peaceful rallies where maybe 2 or 3 people got violent (and mildly at that), but the news paper headline would be Violence breaks out at Rally.

 

[Nibiru]

This is the EXACT same reaction I saw here on GAF (and all over the internet, media) with Ferguson and Baltimore.

Ignore the protesters and their cause (majority of which are peaceful) and focus on the instigators (who infiltrate any protest with violence and disruption on their minds) instead.

Then lump them all together as violent.

Isn't that what people do with Trump supporters? A small minority in both groups are violent but you of course agree with that sentiment right?

 

[USC-fan]

More fun Today

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/donald-trump-protests-republican-convention-california/index.html

I dont get it. Cruz is 1000x worse than trump.

SMH this is going to be all over the news. Trump polls numbers are going to go up.

 

[jmdajr]

I dont get it. Cruz is 1000x worse than trump.

SMH this is going to be all over the news. Trump polls numbers are going to go up.

They have a Trump Pinata!

 

[kame-sennin]

Can't you be against both?

Of course. That's why I asked if these people were pacifists. I don't really have a problem with pacifists. But people who are totally cool with state violence while freaking out over violent civilian reaction are pretty scummy.

Why would you even compare "violence committed by the state" with this? It is completely different.

No it isn't.

And are you honestly suggesting that Trump has the backing of the government of the United States?

When a Trump supporter punches a black protester in the face, it's the black protester who gets hauled off. When people try to protest at Trump Towers, it's the cops who barricade the building. When the KKK and antifas get in a fight, it's the antifas that get arrested. That is state support.

The people the American government is targeting are terrorists. People who explicitly and deliberately commit violence on civilians. It is in no way comparable to the political violence that we are talking about here.

Wow.

Either way, all supporters of violent protests are hypocrites. Lets see how happy you get when your hometown gets trashed instead of being a bigshot over the internet.

Last week I spent 18 hours in solitary confinement for protesting with Black Lives Matter. I'm well aware of the costs of activism.

 

[LiquidSword]

Isn't that what people do with Trump supporters? A small minority in both groups are violent but you of course agree with that sentiment right?

Lol except the part where Trump encourages the violence and then his supporters at large cheer and have no problem with it.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Isn't that what people do with Trump supporters? A small minority in both groups are violent but you of course agree with that sentiment right?

Everyone is the same right.

Calling a minority group a bunch of rapists and murderers is exactly the same thing as said minority group being angry about that.


Trump actively encourages hate.

 

[Pancake Mix]

Basically any time there's a Trump or BLM protest people will post stuff like this, talking about how the protestors are causing hypothetical deaths by blocking traffic.

Except they are potentially causing deaths by blocking traffic....

Don't like it? Tough shit, it's true.

 

[FartOfWar]

That is the go to framing for every left wing protest literally ever.

Back when I was protesting the Iraq War here in Canada, we'd consistently have peaceful rallies where maybe 2 or 3 people got violent (and mildly at that), but the news paper headline would be Violence breaks out at Rally.

It's the go to framing for every protest, left or right. I'm positive the knobs -- non-violent though still knobs -- that attend Trump rallies say precisely the same thing. Bias works both ways and we're all blind to our own.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I dont get it. Cruz is 1000x worse than trump.

SMH this is going to be all over the news. Trump polls numbers are going to go up.

People tend to protest winners.

 

[studyguy]

More fun Today

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/donald-trump-protests-republican-convention-california/index.html

I'm not really surprised, either way you slice it we're only 60 years removed from Operation Wetback occurring here in CA and Trump gave his approval of that disgusting military operation during a debate not too long ago. I mean this shit isn't right, but I don't expect future attempts to rally for Trump in CA to occur without protest to some degree. For everyone's sake I hope it stays civil, but if I were a betting man I'd expect to see someone cross the line more often than not here in CA during those encounters.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Except they are potentially causing deaths by blocking traffic....

Don't like it? Tough shit, it's true.

Shit man sorry I didn't know Nana Ruth was your Nana.

How are you holding up, hypothetically?

 

[Archer]

Nice work.

Fuck this piece of shit.

 

[Pancake Mix]

Shit man sorry I didn't know Nana Ruth was your Nana.

Cute. You can use mocking images all you want, only a fool would think there's not a very realistic chance that someone needs to cross that bridge urgently to get to the hospital at any point in time.

 

[Nibiru]

Lol except the part where Trump encourages the violence. His supporters at large cheer and have no problem with it.

But only a small percentage have been violent, a minuscule amount actually. Just because Trumps said something doesn't mean all of his supporters agree. In fact I would hope no one is 100% in lockstep with every politician they support. Hypocrisy is all it is. Your violence is just because it is in support of your politics.

 

[Hari Seldon]

More votes for trump. Violent protesters ruin it for everyone there trying to protest peacefully.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Isn't that what people do with Trump supporters? A small minority in both groups are violent but you of course agree with that sentiment right?

I'm not playing the "everyone's got it bad, man" game that people on GAF love to play.

I saw the live feeds from Ferguson, not the CNN or whatever news outlet someone chooses to watch. Peaceful protestors were hit with tear gas. While sitting quietly and protesting.

Media and internet focused on the small looped footage the same violent morons and never showed the peaceful folks getting tear gassed for doing nothing but gathering.

The message was, "Why are they destroying their own neighborhoods?" not "Why are the police in 2015, tear gassing peaceful citizens, exercising their rights to protest?"

 

[excelsiorlef]

Cute. You can use mocking images all you want, only a fool would think there's no chance that someone needs to cross that bridge urgently to get to the hospital.

I like to argue with reality, not hypotheticals.

Reality: Trump is a threat to the human rights of minorities

 

[kame-sennin]

Anyone considering the police caused the escalation? Orange County reporter on NPR who was covering the protest said it was mostly peaceful with a few scuffles until the police formed two lines and started moving in and condensing the anti Trump protestors. Also 20 arrests and a broken window is a riot now? I can't find anywhere that lists further damage than that.

Why would you bring this up? State violence has nothing to do with this thread.

 

[Slayven]

I dont get it. Cruz is 1000x worse than trump.

SMH this is going to be all over the news. Trump polls numbers are going to go up.

White male racists:"Yeah we still like trump"

 

[Pancake Mix]

I like to argue with reality, not hypotheticals.

Uh-huh, you're the one who's not in touch with reality. That protest was not relevant to a pregnant mother whose water just broke, or someone who has just had a heart attack, but you do you. Those were very realistic scenarios.

 

[jmood88]

Isn't that what people do with Trump supporters? A small minority in both groups are violent but you of course agree with that sentiment right?

People really need to stop with this "both sides are the same" bullshit. Use some critical thinking skills.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

More votes for trump. Violent protesters ruin it for everyone there trying to protest peacefully.

Yes, the candidate that defended and encouraged violence at his rallies gets those fence sitters on his side because there was some violence at an anti-Trump rally.

 

[Piggus]

I dont get it. Cruz is 1000x worse than trump.

SMH this is going to be all over the news. Trump polls numbers are going to go up.

Good. This motherfucker is going to get roasted in the GE if he gets the nomination.

 

[Vicetrailia]

I'd only be concerned about violence if there were lynchings, or it got truly ugly. Arrest the ones that do wrong, and let the protesters protest.

 

[LiquidSword]

But only a small percentage have been violent, a minuscule amount actually. Just because Trumps said something doesn't mean all of his supporters agree. In fact I would hope no one is 100% in lockstep with every politician they support. Hypocrisy is all it is. Your violence is just because it is in support of your politics.

Umm well I have not supported any violence. Me saying that it isn't the same is not me supporting it. Don't know what else to say besides that inciting violence should be good enough reason to not support someone. This isn't an ideological difference that you can ignore since a candidate supports your other positions. The guy is encouraging violence.

 

[Quixzlizx]

People really need to stop with this "both sides are the same" bullshit. Use some critical thinking skills.

In this case it seems like a valid comparison. A handful of violent people causing a large swathe of people to be deemed violent threats.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Uh-huh, you're the one who's not in touch with reality. That protest was not relevant to a pregnant mother whose water just broke, or someone who has just had a heart attack, but you do you. Those were very realistic scenarios.

I guess I'm confused.

If the bolded didn't happen, why are you continuing to argue hypothetical situations? The reason the Nana Ruth meme happened to begin with is because of what you're doing right now.

 

[Nibiru]

People really need to stop with this "both sides are the same" bullshit. Use some critical thinking skills.

That isn't what is being said though so save your straw man nonsense. It was said that all the protesters are being called violent because only a few were violent and it was wrong. The response was that the same generalization are being made about Trump supporters being violent. I said neither side was violent and this is true.

 

[rjinaz]

Good. This motherfucker is going to get roasted in the GE if he gets the nomination.

Heh yep. Because protests or no protests, all Trump is ever going to have is the White vote (with but a few exceptions) which is going to get him exactly nowhere. He did it to himself with the things he says. He wants people just like him, and he's got it.

In reality people could just let him carry on. But it's the message and the support he is getting that people have the problem with I think, not so much their fear of Trump becoming president.

 

[diablos991]

Are the protesters at least staying out of the road this time?
That shit makes my blood boil.

 

[Pancake Mix]

I guess I'm confused.

If the bolded didn't happen, why are you continuing to argue hypothetical situations? The reason the Nana Ruth meme happened to begin with is because of what you're doing right now.

Because it's an absolutely stupid meme. Blocking a vital bridge could very likely have resulted in deaths. I'm out, because I know you cannot argue with extremists, which is exactly what defenders of blocking a vital roadway are, but that doesn't make it reasonable. It just means arguing with you that something was unreasonable is like talking to a brick wall....

It's sad, but you're not going to get far with reason on this board. Many posters have already committed to the idea that even violent protest is okay because there is inequality in the country. They don't like the current structure and seemingly don't care about the consequences. There's not much you can do to argue with that, even if you're in the right.

Well said

 

[Calamari41]

I like to argue with reality, not hypotheticals.

Reality: Trump is a threat to the human rights of minorities

I think that not blocking access to hospitals (yes, there is a major hospital right there) is a serious enough thing that we shouldn't just do it and wait until afterwards to see if it caused anybody harm or not. But then, this isn't a game to me.

 

[Pepboy]

Uh-huh, you're the one who's not in touch with reality. That protest was not relevant to a pregnant mother whose water just broke, or someone who has just had a heart attack, but you do you. Those were very realistic scenarios.

It's sad, but you're not going to get far with reason on this board. Many posters have already committed to the idea that even violent protest is okay because there is inequality in the country. They don't like the current structure and seemingly don't care about the consequences. There's not much you can do to argue with that, even if you're in the right.

 

[hitme]

I would go out and protest since it's a 20 minute car ride from my place.

... but nah.

 

[rjinaz]

I think that not blocking access to hospitals (yes, there is a major hospital right there) is a serious enough thing that we shouldn't just do it and wait until afterwards to see if it caused anybody harm or not. But then, this isn't a game to me.

Well to be fair, neither is institutional racism. The people that protest aren't doing it because they think it's fun. Well most aren't. They feel they are being mistreated and they want change. It's not a game for them either. Trump is basically the spokesperson for said racism at this point, or at least that is who he is attracting so that makes him a target of those oppressed.

 

[Nibiru]

Umm well I have not supported any violence. Me saying that it isn't the same is not me supporting it. Don't know what else to say besides that inciting violence should be good enough reason to not support someone. This isn't an ideological difference that you can ignore since a candidate supports your other positions. The guy is encouraging violence.

His supporters haven't been very violent though. There have been a few incidents but in relation to his votes and rally numbers it's almost none existent. If this encouraging violence is so prevalent in his campaign then his supporters haven't got the message at all or they simply don't agree with him.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Are the protesters at least staying out of the road this time?
That shit makes my blood boil.

Wasn't aware that the Orange County protestors were the exact same people that blocked a roadway (in a completely separate protest in a completely different area), but hey, who am I to stop you from putting everyone in the same box?

The point of a protest is to make people uncomfortable in order to bring awareness. I bet the sit-ins in the South would have made your blood boil too.

 

[Calamari41]

Well to be fair, neither is institutional racism. The people that protest aren't doing it because they think it's fun. Well most aren't. They feel they are being mistreated and they want change. It's not a game for them either.

Well maybe I can be forgiven for anxiety over having a wife whose water is due to break and who is set to deliver at the hospital that I did not have access to last night.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Because it's a stupid meme. Blocking a vital bridge could have resulted in deaths.

It's not stupid at all.

Being mad about the need for disruptive protest due to hypothetical lives is bullshit when there are actual lives being impacted due to things protesters are protesting about. People aren't out there because it's fun.

But it's more important to be upset about a person that doesn't actually exist.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Because it's an absolutely stupid meme. Blocking a vital bridge could very likely have resulted in deaths. I'm out, because I know you cannot argue with extremists, which is exactly what defenders of blocking a vital roadway are, but that doesn't make it reasonable. It just means arguing with you that something was unreasonable is like talking to a brick wall....



Well said

Extremists? People have been blocking roads in protest since the Roman times.

 

[Audioboxer]

Yeah, this is just spoiled child syndrome. Fight bad ideas with good ideas, protest/march in peace and display unity. Resorting to any sort of rioting/destruction/violence is ridiculous.

I don't want to see Trump as president but he has every right to run, and his supporters have every right to cast their vote as they please. As I said fight bad ideas with better ones, and that may win the minds of some. Act in this way and it will only push people further into Trumps arms.

Smh.

 

[diablos991]

Wasn't aware that the Orange County protestors were the exact same people that blocked a roadway, but hey, who am I to stop you from putting everyone in the same box?

The point of a protest is to make people uncomfortable in order to bring awareness. I bet the sit-ins in the South would have made your blood boil too.

I'm fine with protests and sit ins.
What is happening at these rallies is on a different level.

 

[rjinaz]

Well maybe I can be forgiven for anxiety over having a wife whose water is due to break and who is set to deliver at the hospital that I did not have access to last night.

Hey I don't blame you at all as long as you can forgive maybe certain protestors that have family members in prison for smoking pot while their White counterparts got a way with it and so forth.

I'm glad that didn't happen with your wife though, honestly.

 

[rjinaz]

I'm fine with protests and sit ins.
What is happening at these rallies is on a different level.

Well as long as you are fine with it I guess. Personally I think people should just protest in the privacy of their own homes so nobody can be inconvenienced in any way.

The violence that is happening is an exception, not the norm. As for the road blocking, well I guess that's open for debate on the merits of that.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Yeah, this is just spoiled child syndrome.

Yeah, protesting a US Presidential candidate (who if elected could shape policy that affects lives) that spews vitriol about Mexico sending their worst (rapists and murderers) to America is acting like a spoiled child.

Please, enlighten us on how his Latino detractors have been "spoiled".

Personally I think people should just protest in the privacy of their own homes so nobody can be inconvenienced in any way.

This has to be a joke but sometimes, you can't tell...

 

[Audioboxer]

Well as long as you are fine with it I guess. Personally I think people should just protest in the privacy of their own homes.

The violence that is happening is an exception, not the norm. As for the road blocking, well I guess that's open for debate on the merits of that.

Protesting publicly can raise awareness, but it has to be done right. Making the lives of bystanders an issue blocking passage or roads just pisses people off and achieves nothing. Other than some bad press and general disdain at your protest.

Protesting with a message that is done peacefully and correctly gets you some airtime and headlines, and may impact some voters minds.

Yeah, protesting a US Presidential candidate (who if elected could shape policy that affects lives) that spews vitriol about Mexico sending their worst (rapists and murderers) to America is acting like a spoiled child.

Please, enlighten us on how his Latino detractors have been "spoiled".

I'm clearly talking about those that resort to rioting/violence or destruction. That is stamping your feet because something isn't going as you want it. Better to fight a bad idea with a better one and win the battle with wisdom, dialect and maturity.

I know feelings and passion run high over such important matters, but always keep your head held high and behave as you would want others to.

 

[rjinaz]

Protesting publicly can raise awareness, but it has to be done right. Making the lives of bystanders an issue blocking passage or roads just pisses people off and achieves nothing. Other than some bad press and general disdain at your protest.

Protesting with a message that is done peacefully and correctly gets you some airtime and headlines, and may impact some voters minds.

To a point. Some people holding some signs doesn't draw much attention from anybody. I will say though that what really works well is numbers. I wish more people would get out there and participate, as long as they have peaceful intentions.

This has to be a joke but sometimes, you can't tell...

It is. I'm surprised that people can't pick up on my sarcasm just based on my other posts in a thread