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[Air Zombie Meat]

I honestly think saying that you consider it an acceptable risk is better than denying that it could ever happen.

 

[Furyous]

No one that voted for our POTUS thought we'd see this in 2016:

What happened our country that people feel the need to make America great again? When did America fall off? I rep the country all the time and never noticed this apparent fall off.

Trump supporters need to calm down and realize people have a right to peaceful protest. Is there a Trump rally that does not contain violence or incendiary statements?

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

I choose not to live with "what if" scenarios in order to ignore other issues.
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You're really outing yourself as completely clueless. Talk a paramedic or an ambulance driver, and get a perspective.

I see what you're doing. You're using "hypothetical" as a shield to invoke a stance which is basically "if I don't see it, it's not a problem." You use it essentially to ignore potential dangers.

If you're not willing to engage in hypothetical, then you're essentially as closed minded as Trumps supporters in that you're completely incapable of seeing it from another side. Even if we ignore the potential loss of life, what about people, particularly poor people who might lose their job.

My gut wrenched when I saw this father of 6 in ferguson screaming about losing his job, because he couldn't afford to be late; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cziOFk5n9Fs

If you're poor, your benefits, workers right and security are severely decreased. Lower wage jobs lack the benefits of higher categories, and lower wage workers are more easily discarded. What is more is that poor people usually live from paycheck to paycheck and losing their job can be devastating. Particularly if they have 6 kids to take care of.
It's easy to invoke an broad sweeping statement about that nobody gets hurt, or buhu-fucking-white-people-who-are-delayed. But you don't know the story of all those people who don't speak up, or who don't show up on the news.
Sure, some people are bound to have understanding bosses, others will be able to find another jobs, some will be fine, but there are those who won't, and your stance is essentially: fuck you, to all those people. They are not water under the bridge, and dismissing everything in hypothetical is not just condescending its fucking gross.
There is a reason why we have safety precautions. There is a reason why we don't block fire exits or allow potentially dangerous things to permit under the idea that it is only "hypothetically" a danger. That's being obtuse and just being a semantic troll. You have to engage in the hypothetical or there can be no examination of any discussion when trying to look at nuances.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I honestly think saying that you consider it an acceptable risk is better than denying that it could ever happen.

I don't know that I would even say it is an acceptable risk. I don't know the answer or have the solution but I know that if people are blocking roads, they aren't doing so because they want people to die. I think they want awareness and they are desperate.

If you block roads, people have no choice but to be affected by it, vs. protesting at a park or some other place where you can continue to be minimized and ignored.

If I'm trying to get to work and I can't because there is a road closure, whatever, I don't care. However, if the reason I can't get to work on time is because there is a <yourname here> protest happening, at worst their movement gets forgotten or criticized but at best, maybe I look into what they are protesting (and why it was so important to them) and maybe they gain an ally.

 

[Audioboxer]

You're really outing yourself as completely clueless. Talk a paramedic or an ambulance driver, and get a perspective.

I see what you're doing. You're using "hypothetical" as a shield to invoke a stance which is basically "if I don't see it, it's not a problem." You use it essentially to ignore potential dangers.

If you're not willing to engage in hypothetical, then you're essentially as closed minded as Trumps supporters in that you're completely incapable of seeing it from another side. Even if we ignore the potential loss of life, what about people, particularly poor people who might lose their job.

My gut wrenched when I saw this father of 6 in ferguson screaming about losing his job, because he couldn't afford to be late; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cziOFk5n9Fs

If you're poor, your benefits, workers right and security are severely decreased. Lower wage jobs lack the benefits of higher categories, and lower wage workers are more easily discarded. What is more is that poor people usually live from paycheck to paycheck and losing their job can be devastating. Particularly if they have 6 kids to take care of.
It's easy to invoke an broad sweeping statement about that nobody gets hurt, or buhu-fucking-white-people-who-are-delayed. But you don't know the story of all those people who don't speak up, or who don't show up on the news.
Sure, some people are bound to have understanding bosses, others will be able to find another jobs, some will be fine, but there are those who won't, and your stance is essentially: fuck you, to all those people. They are not water under the bridge, and dismissing everything in hypothetical is not just condescending its fucking gross.
There is a reason why we have safety precautions. There is a reason why we don't block fire exits or allow potentially dangerous things to permit under the idea that it is only "hypothetically" a danger. That's being obtuse and just being a semantic troll. You have to engage in the hypothetical or there can be no examination of any discussion when trying to look at nuances.

Well said and it's why I harped on about peaceful productive protesting not causing undue harm to bystanders. Regardless of one's ability to empathise with how distressed and worried protesters are it's simply going to cause too many negative side effects being abrasive and disorderly.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Well said and it's why I harped on about peaceful productive protesting not causing undue harm to bystanders. Regardless of one's ability to empathise with how distressed and worried protesters are it's simply going to cause too many negative side effects being abrasive and disorderly.

Right.

Tell me, how do you stop instigators that have no intention on protesting (and in many cases aren't even aligned with protestors) from resorting to violence? You don't, that's how.

That's why it is up to US to siff through that see the protest for what it is versus clumping everyone into a neat little box that can be paternalized on the internet or minimized as all being troublemakers.

 

[Audioboxer]

Right.

Tell me, how do you stop instigators that have no intention on protesting (and in many cases aren't even aligned with protestors) from resorting to violence? You don't, that's how.

That's why it is up to US to siff through that see the protest for what it is versus clumping everyone into a neat little box that can be paternalized on the internet or minimized as all being troublemakers.

By arresting them as soon as possible. I know not all violence can be stopped before it happens. The above was more aimed at otherwise peaceful protesters who block roads and access for public transport. They aren't violent but they're still causing mayhem.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Right.

Tell me, how do you stop instigators that have no intention on protesting (and in many cases aren't even aligned with protestors) from resorting to violence? You don't, that's how.

That's why it is up to US to siff through that see the protest for what it is versus clumping everyone into a neat little box that can be paternalized on the internet or minimized as all being troublemakers.

Yep. People who have never been in a protest act like we can just control the behavior of everyone that shows up.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Oh, we back to the Bay Bridge, after that clusterfuck of a thread?

Please, please, go protests in the corner somewhere so no one can see you, and make sure your numbers stay small, so no congestion, not that congestion isn't a thing that happens all the time. Also, don't honor MLK by employing the type of protests he used as well, the kind of shit that got him arrested 30+ times over a 10 year period, because of worst case scenarios that could potentially take place. Just go away, or do it somewhere else where no one can be inconvenienced so we can ignore you completely.

Man, just imagine if MLK or ACT UP actually went about their business that way. These forms of protests have a long history, there's precedence, BLM isn't inventing anything new here. Protesting isn't always gonna be pretty, in fact, at it's most effective(either bringing awareness, change, or getting bodies in the damn streets), it hasn't been 'pretty'.

Well said and it's why I harped on about peaceful productive protesting not causing undue harm to bystanders. Regardless of one's ability to empathise with how distressed and worried protesters are it's simply going to cause too many negative side effects being abrasive and disorderly.

What's your definition of something vague like undue harm, and if that simply means inconveniencing people, then are are you suggesting the Ferguson protests didn't do good, didn't raise a ton of awareness, didn't start a massive dialogue, and wasn't a jumping off point to discovering the corruption of the Ferguson PD? Sure, a man may have been late for work, but what came from people coming together, and hitting the pavement in big numbers did some damn good.

Frankly, certain people just want any reason whatsoever to brush aside the incredibly important issues at hand here, or an entire 'movement', and it's clear as damn day. I bet a couple here wouldn't mind labeling BLM a hate group for their civil disobedience, civil disobedience that has decades of the aforementioned precedence.

You get a few people causing real problems here, violent problems, and suddenly the issues that peaceful majority were protesting go out the window, and everyone gets thrown to the wolves.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I don't know that I would even say it is an acceptable risk. I don't know the answer or have the solution but I know that if people are blocking roads, they aren't doing so because they want people to die. I think they want awareness and they are desperate.

If you block roads, people have no choice but to be affected by it, vs. protesting at a park or some other place where you can continue to be minimized and ignored.

If I'm trying to get to work and I can't because there is a road closure, whatever, I don't care. However, if the reason I can't get to work on time is because there is a <yourname here> protest happening, at worst their movement gets forgotten or criticized but at best, maybe I look into what they are protesting (and why it was so important to them) and maybe they gain an ally.

I know they don't want people to die. If it happens it's an accident, one that protestors shouldn't be directly blamed for. Just an unfortunate sequence of events. This is why I think it should be accepted rather than the possibility of it being laughed off. Anything that causes disruption can cause accidents. Roadworks, traffic jams, crowds. It's unfortunate but it's reality.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

By arresting them as soon as possible. I know not all violence can be stopped before it happens.

Dude, stop.

The police never act that way. If they did, the instigators wouldn't feel emboldened to do what they do, which is hijack protests and make the narrative about violence and themselves.

Opportunist criminals do not make up a protest. Never have and never will.

The above was more aimed at otherwise peaceful protesters who block roads and access for public transport. They aren't violent but they're still causing mayhem

I already addressed why I believe peaceful protestors block roads. They are out of other ways to get people to sit up and take notice of them by protesting in other ways. You think organizers of protests woke up on Day One of their protest and said, "We're gonna block the roads?"

It comes across moreso as a last resort to protest in a way that can't be just ignored or minimized any longer.

 

[Captin Quacker]

Damn

How many L's does nana Ruth have to endure!
let her rest guys geez

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Damn

How many L's does nana Ruth have to endure!
let her rest guys geez

She been resurrected more times than 2pac.

 

[Audioboxer]

Oh, we back to the Bay Bridge, after that clusterfuck of a thread?

Please, please, go protests in the corner somewhere so no one can see you, and make sure your numbers stay small, so no congestion, not that congestion isn't a thing that happens all the time. Also, don't honor MLK by employing the type of protests he used as well, the kind of shit that got him arrested 30+ times over a 10 year period, because of worst case scenarios that could potentially take place. Just go away, or do it somewhere else where no one can be inconvenienced so we can ignore you completely.

Man, just imagine if MLK or ACT UP actually went about their business that way. These forms of protests have a long history, there's precedence, BLM isn't inventing anything new here. Protesting isn't always gonna be pretty, in fact, at it's most effective(either bringing awareness, change, or getting bodies in the damn streets), it hasn't been.



What's your definition of something vague like undue harm, and if that simply means inconveniencing people, then are are you suggesting the Ferguson protests didn't do good, didn't raise a ton of awareness, didn't start a massive dialogue, and wasn't a jumping off point to discovering the corruption of the Ferguson PD? Sure, a man may have been late for work, but what came from people coming together, and hitting the pavement in big numbers did some damn good.

Frankly, certain people just want any reason whatsoever to brush aside the incredibly important issues at hand here, or an entire 'movement', and it's clear as damn day. I bet a couple here wouldn't mind labeling BLM a hate group for their civil disobedience, civil disobedience that has decades of the aforementioned precedence.

You get a few people causing real problems here, violent problems, and suddenly the issues that peaceful majority were protesting go out the window, and everyone gets thrown to the wolves.

I think there is a time and place for protests to take on a certain level of disruption but during an election where campaigners are currently un-elected it's not really the place for outrage protests. It's the time for a battle of ideas. Trump is saying stupid shit, but said stupid shit is not currently governing law. It is an un-elected ideology.

Maybe I'm just used to 7 week UK elections, but for how long it drags out in America having these sorts of protests turn into the new thing every election cycle is just a woeful thought for me if I were American. People have the right to protest, but I think it's rather distasteful for everyone to simply assume protesting always goes hand-in hand with causing disruption and chaos on a scale genuinely serious to affecting public well-being. I'm sorry but in 99% of cases I simply can't fathom it ever being okay to block routes to a hospital.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I think there is a time and place for protests to take on a certain level of disruption but during an election where campaigners are currently un-elected it's not really the place for outrage protests. It's the time for a battle of ideas. Trump is saying stupid shit, but said stupid shit is not currently governing law. It is an un-elected ideology.

Maybe I'm just used to 7 week UK elections, but for how long it drags out in America having these sorts of protests turn into the new thing every election cycle is just a woeful thought for me if I were American.

You guys forget that protest is part of the political process. It's not some event in a vacuum. It's a part of how democracy works.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I think there is a time and place for protests to take on a certain level of disruption but during an election where campaigners are currently un-elected it's not really the place for outrage protests. It's the time for a battle of ideas. Trump is saying stupid shit, but said stupid shit is not currently governing law. It is an un-elected ideology.

Maybe I'm just used to 7 week UK elections, but for how long it drags out in America having these sorts of protests turn into the new thing every election cycle is just a woeful thought for me if I were American.

I'm long past ready for this election to be over. I don't even look forward to the GE debates anymore, shit is gonna be ugly, and I'm so ready for certain supporters to take a fucking seat.

 

[Audioboxer]

You guys forget that protest is part of the political process. It's not some event in a vacuum. It's a part of how democracy works.

I know it is and it's not so much protest I'm grumbling about. It's the way it can sometimes be gone about. I'm as pro-protest as you can get, given that it is a genuine gift to our societies that we can do it without being shot/killed/arrested on the streets by government (not the loonies inciting violence) simply for standing up against them. In some countries you risk your life simply to protest in what we would consider a benign way.

I'm long past ready for this election to be over. I don't even look forward to the GE debates anymore, shit is gonna be ugly, and I'm so ready for certain supporters to take a fucking seat.

I don't blame you, it's one hell of a slog and constant media battle for you guys in the states. So much money, bickering, battling and fighting goes on. I've been in the states a few times over the years around elections and it's crazy (just in Florida).

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I think there is a time and place for protests to take on a certain level of disruption but during an election where campaigners are currently un-elected it's not really the place for outrage protests. It's the time for a battle of ideas.

What? When is the time and place to protest then? After the election is over and it's too late?!?!?

Trump is saying stupid shit, but said stupid shit is not currently governing law. It is an un-elected ideology.

People are protesting so it doesn't become ELECTED ideology.

BTW, you by your own admission support the sayer of said stupid shit.

 

[Jawbreaker]

I hope the violent individuals are motivated enough to also pick up a ballot in November — you know, something that would actually be effective in achieving their goals.

 

[Audioboxer]

What? When is the time and place to protest then? After the election is over and it's too late?!?!?



People are protesting so it doesn't become ELECTED ideology.

BTW, you by your own admission support the sayer of said stupid shit.

I'm talking about cases like the poster mentioned above, the ferguson protests. There's times where you're attacking corruption and misjustice in elected government.

And no, I really don't. Trying to be balanced and ethical for all parties and public involved during an election campaign does not show my political stance. I've done that myself in here saying I think Trump is a buffoon, I dislike Hillary, and given what little choice there is an America I'd probably vote Sanders.

I come from a country where I receive free health care, free prescriptions and free education so what little my opinion counts for is somewhat irrelevant in the American political scale.

 

[FyreWulff]

I think there is a time and place for protests to take on a certain level of disruption but during an election where campaigners are currently un-elected it's not really the place for outrage protests. It's the time for a battle of ideas. Trump is saying stupid shit, but said stupid shit is not currently governing law. It is an un-elected ideology.

Maybe I'm just used to 7 week UK elections, but for how long it drags out in America having these sorts of protests turn into the new thing every election cycle is just a woeful thought for me if I were American. People have the right to protest, but I think it's rather distasteful for everyone to simply assume protesting always goes hand-in hand with causing disruption and chaos on a scale genuinely serious to affecting public well-being. I'm sorry but in 99% of cases I simply can't fathom it ever being okay to block routes to a hospital.

Not caring until the general election is how we allowed the Tea Party to gain traction.

It'd be wise to not let that mistake occur again.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I'm talking about cases like the poster mentioned above, the ferguson protests. There's times where you're attacking corruption and misjustice in elected government.

So let me get this straight, people shouldn't be protesting the republican frontrunner, an unapologetic racist, if his election to POTUS would affect them?

They should just wait for corruption and/or misjustice in ELECTED government?

I hope the violent individuals are motivated enough to also pick up a ballot in November &#8212; you know, something that would actually be effective in achieving their goals.

Have you ever actually been to a protest?

Violent opportunist criminals aren't there protesting! Sheesh!

They have their own agendas and rarely is it politics.

 

[Aaronology]

The problem I've found with these types of threads is they keep devolving into "DONT TELL US HOW TO PROTEST~!" type of posts, as if nothing is off limits, nothing is forbidden, there are no rules and no actions or behaviors that should be avoided.

You get a few people causing real problems here, violent problems, and suddenly the issues that peaceful majority were protesting go out the window, and everyone gets thrown to the wolves.

That's how it works, isn't it? How many people on GAF have defended all the peaceful Trump supporters at his rallies instead of lambasting the entire lot based off of the actions of the few?

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Not caring until the general election is how we allowed the Tea Party to gain traction.

It'd be wise to not let that mistake occur again.

That goes for anything related to fascism. Probably more importantly in that case.

 

[Audioboxer]

Not caring until the general election is how we allowed the Tea Party to gain traction.

It'd be wise to not let that mistake occur again.

To say the people are not caring is being dishonest. Even as a foreigner it is quite clear Trump is criticised daily and often. The battle for America is between the American people now, you have to fight bad ideas in others heads with good ones. You're not going to change the words coming out of Trumps mouth, it's just noise now, he doesn't give a shit you're protesting him. Campaigning and raising awareness on social media (and in public) is an individuals best bet to get to other people.

Campaigning doesn't have to be protesting. Again maybe it's due to the UK political scene but campaigning is what goes on over here. Door to door vists, public shopping location flyer handouts, meetings, and so forth. Maybe us Brits are just too polite and drink too much tea? Haha.

So let me get this straight, people shouldn't be protesting the republican frontrunner, an unapologetic racist, if his election to POTUS would affect them?

They should just wait for corruption and/or misjustice in ELECTED government?

No, you're putting words in my mouth again. I admitted leeway due to GAF poster making valid points about the Ferguson protests. However I re-iterate during an election cycle I still believe it's about a battle of ideas and convincing your fellow American citizens, rather than going gung-ho at Trump with the kind of tactics you'd expect from his camp. His most vicious supporters aren't changing their minds, the battle is fought with the undecided, fringe voters and those misguided into Trump support.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

The problem I've found with these types of threads is they keep devolving into "DONT TELL US HOW TO PROTEST~!" type of posts, as if nothing is off limits, nothing is forbidden, there are no rules and no actions or behaviors that should be avoided.

My perspective is that people who think they know best should show us the best way to handle these situations. Walk the walk.

This never happens.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

What? When is the time and place to protest then? After the election is over and it's too late?!?!?



People are protesting so it doesn't become ELECTED ideology.

Yeah.

His most toxic ideologies are something beautiful to the many millions of his supporters, has been long before he came along and gave them something of a voice. You have a disgusting amount of his supporters, more than any other awful right-wing candidates, actually sad the south lost the damn war, and you better believe that kind of toxic shit should be protested. It's not just about that man, it's what he's brought to the surface.

I understand the anger 100%, just as I understand the anger felt because of 100's of unarmed black men(that we know of) losing their lives at the hands of our saintly police ultimately led to a section of a bridge being mostly blocked for a few hours.

The problem I've found with these types of threads is they keep devolving into "DONT TELL US HOW TO PROTEST~!" type of posts, as if nothing is off limits, nothing is forbidden, there are no rules and no actions or behaviors that should be avoided.

That's how it works, isn't it? How many people on GAF have defended all the peaceful Trump supporters at his rallies instead of lambasting the entire lot based off of the actions of the few?

Trump is not a peaceful man. He's a shit stirrer of the highest order, and they're all eating it up. I dunno, perhaps we should be torturing more people, what are we, pussies? USA USA USA

 

[ryutaro's mama]

No, you're putting words in my mouth again. I admitted leeway due to GAF poster making valid points about the Ferguson protests. However I re-iterate during an election cycle I still believe it's about a battle of ideas and convincing your fellow American citizens, rather than going gung-ho at Trump with the kind of tactics you'd expect from his camp.

There are no ideas to battle. Trump made it very clear how he felt about Latinos, pre-emptively. How can there be a discourse when Trump calls Mexicans "rapists and murderers"? Is he supposed to convince those people he is right?

I honestly don't get it.

 

[Audioboxer]

There are no ideas to battle. Trump made it very clear how he felt about Latinos, pre-emptively. How can there be a discourse when Trump calls Mexicans "rapists and murderers"? Is he supposed to convince those people he is right?

I honestly don't get it.

Not battling Trump (or his determined following), battling the misguided Americans who have somehow been convinced into his camp, or those who are undecided.

America is sadly quite ugly from the outside on certain issues, and my 2 cents is there are definitely some viciously pro-nasty people who aren't getting moved from their new King. Unfortunately it is a fools game to try and convince such people otherwise.

The comments about Mexicans were absolutely abhorrent and something one should never ever expect to hear from a potential leader of a country. Even if the guy came out and said it was all a show for votes, it is utterly distasteful and inhumane for a potential leader of a country to play such mind-games. A completely unstable and asshole of a person. Not someone anyone wants leading a country.

 

[Christopher]

There are no ideas to battle. Trump made it very clear how he felt about Latinos, pre-emptively. How can there be a discourse when Trump calls Mexicans "rapists and murderers"? Is he supposed to convince those people he is right?

I honestly don't get it.

“What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.”

Where does that translate to all Mexicans are rapist and murders? It sounds like he's saying Mexico is pushing the unwanted criminal activity to the US - where exactly is he saying all Mexicans or Latinos are all rapist and murderers?

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Not battling Trump (or his determined following), battling the misguided Americans who have someone been convinced into his camp, or those who are undecided.

A person who is pro-Trump at this point isn't gonna be convinced about the "error of their ways" or see themselves as "misguided."

 

[Fat4all]

"There's a time and a place to protest" seems an awful lot like an oxymoron to me.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

&#8220;What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.&#8221;

Where does that translate to all Mexicans are rapist and murders? It sounds like he's saying Mexico is pushing the unwanted criminal activity to the US - where exactly is he saying all Mexicans or Latinos are all rapist and murderers?

I don't see an "all" in my quote.

When said in the context of wanting a larger wall (or a YUUUUGE wall) and illegals being a problem, what do you think he is inferring?

Latinos immediately saw through that bullshit.

 

[Audioboxer]

A person who is pro-Trump at this point isn't gonna be convinced about the "error of their ways" or see themselves as "misguided."

It's a sad state of affairs if that blanket can simply be put over all his current supporters. If that proves to be the truth it's a worrying thought.

"There's a time and a place to protest" seems an awful lot like an oxymoron to me.

If that is aimed at me at least put in my whole quote as not to make it sound a certain way

I think there is a time and place for protests to take on a certain level of disruption

 

[Jawbreaker]

So let me get this straight, people shouldn't be protesting the republican frontrunner, an unapologetic racist, if his election to POTUS would affect them?

They should just wait for corruption and/or misjustice in ELECTED government?



Have you ever actually been to a protest?

Violent opportunist criminals aren't there protesting! Sheesh!

Were they opportunists? Were they just aggrieved enough by Trump's rhetoric to lash out violently? Which is it? I don't think we can say definitively. I'm going to assume they were at the Trump protest because they don't want a Trump presidency; that seems the most logical. I'm not denying that opportunists do show up at some protests, but I've found that it's usually when looting becomes a possibility.

Yes, I've been to plenty of protests. I've seen black bloc anarchists smashing windows and instigating fights. I've been to protests that are wholly peaceful. Fuck, I've seen people throw doughnuts at cops. Protests are definitely not something I'm ignorant about.

 

[King Tubby]

"There's a time and a place to protest" seems an awful lot like an oxymoron to me.

It's not about a time and place to protest. I'm having trouble seeing how something like this can hurt Trump and plenty of ways it helps him.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

“What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.”

Where does that translate to all Mexicans are rapist and murders? It sounds like he's saying Mexico is pushing the unwanted criminal activity to the US - where exactly is he saying all Mexicans or Latinos are all rapist and murderers?

He wants to deport 12 million people. That's been policy of his. So, I'm gonna take a wild guess and say he's lumping every person together. You can poorly attempt to say he didn't actually mean all of them, but yet, mass deportation and using fucking Operation Wetback as some kind of analog for humane success.

 

[studyguy]

&#8220;What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.&#8221;

Where does that translate to all Mexicans are rapist and murders? It sounds like he's saying Mexico is pushing the unwanted criminal activity to the US - where exactly is he saying all Mexicans or Latinos are all rapist and murderers?

If you don't think Latin immigrants, legal or otherwise aren't going to identify that as dogwhistle bullshit you're kidding yourself. It's not even worth the time discussing it, what separates a good Mexican from a bad one in the eyes of the average Trump supporter. I'd wager not much despite the bombastic rhetoric of loving legal ones. It's horseshit nationalism that has throws the blame for the current woes on the supposed villainous immigrants, the same garbage has been recycled time and again over history.

Also

Let me just tell you that Dwight Eisenhower, good president, great president, people liked him. &#8220;I like Ike,&#8221; right? The expression. &#8220;I like Ike.&#8221; Moved a million and a half illegal immigrants out of this country, moved them just beyond the border. They came back. Moved them again beyond the border, they came back. Didn&#8217;t like it. Moved them way south. They never came back. Dwight Eisenhower. You don&#8217;t get nicer. You don&#8217;t get friendlier. They moved a million and a half out. We have no choice. We have no choice.

Lets ignore the fact that he just gave operation wetback the A OK.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Were they opportunists? Were they just aggrieved enough by Trump's rhetoric to lash out violently? Which is it? I don't think we can say definitively. I'm going to assume they were at the Trump protest because they don't want a Trump presidency; that seems the most logical.

I would say they were opportunist criminals.

Yes, I've been to plenty of protests. I've seen black bloc anarchists smashing windows and instigating fights. I've been to protests that are wholly peaceful. Fuck, I've seen people throw doughnuts at cops. Protests are definitely not something I'm ignorant about.

Well...

So was your protest a Black bloc Anarchist protest or did that crash the party?

See my point?

 

[Audioboxer]

It's not about a time and place to protest. I'm having trouble seeing how something like this can hurt Trump and plenty of ways it helps him.

As an outsider for better or worse it seems to make some people think the other camp are the batshit insane ones, and the "unified Trump camp" offers the stability.

Of course not helped by American media headlines. But neither does it help gatecrashing and preventing a Trump speech which was legally organised and set to go ahead in a private building.

Some things sadly even with the best intentions actually end up fueling the other side. Politics is such a messy, corrupt and utterly depressing world most of the time.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

As on outsider for better or worse it seems to make some people think the other camp are the batshit insane ones, and the "unified Trump camp" offers the stability.

Of course not helped by American media headlines. But neither does it help gatecrashing and preventing a Trump speech which was legally organised and set to go ahead in a private building.

Some things sadly even with the best intentions actually end up fueling the other side.

The other side has been fully gassed up for years, and now they actually have somewhere to go. It's just too bad nowhere near enough women and minorities will be joining them.

 

[soxxx]

Trump protesters are just giving Trump more momentum, hype, discussion, and ammo. He has managed to flip the whole race on its head. Trump has received $2 Billion in free media attention and now stands today in a dead tie with Clinton for the national primary. The snowball effect is in full momentum, might be difficult to stop at this point.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_38_clinton_38

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-2-billion-free-media_us_56e83410e4b065e2e3d75935

 

[Audioboxer]

The other side has been fully gassed up for years, and now they actually have somewhere to go. It's just too bad nowhere near enough women and minorities will be joining them.

Depressingly you are probably very right. Sometimes my mind can't comprehend what it must be like to live in a country as large as America, with problems on such a large scale due to population diversity and pockets of certain beliefs. I live in Scotland where a city in one state will have the population of my whole country.

But I fucking love America and wish for the best for all you guys. I think it's best I stick to visiting, than trying to live there haha.

Without a doubt Americans have been some of the friendliest people I've ever met in real life. Other than us Scots, everyone here is your pal, buddy or mate, and you'll offer them a smoke if they smoke or a pint if they drink. Sigh, why can't we all just get along and have a better world

 

[ryutaro's mama]

But I fucking love America and wish for the best for all you guys. I think it's best I stick to visiting, than trying to live there haha.

I spent an extended amount of time in England in 2014 and I have to say bobbies >>> Murican police.

I say that as a person of color who is American.

 

[Jawbreaker]

I would say they were opportunist criminals.



Well...

So was your protest a Black bloc Anarchist protest or did that crash the party?

See my point?

Black bloc is a tactic, not a specific group. Using violence as a means to show your grievances doesn't remove those grievances. Those black bloc anarchists very likely share the same objections with that body of protesters at these events, but their methods are different. I don't see why the violent individuals at Trump protests can't also be individuals who are similarly distressed, but chose violence as their vehicle.

 

[Audioboxer]

I spent an extended amount of time in England in 2014 and I have to say bobbies >>> Murican police.

I say that as a person of color who is American.

Oh don't get me started on the police side of things. It is suicidally depressing what we hear about this this side of the pond from America about the police force at times. It's that toxic that over here in the UK if you so much as mention American Police the question, or slapstick follow up is either who have they shot now, or more commonly have they shot another black person?

It's sad parts of the world think that when they think of American cops. I never want to paint every lawman the same as I know good individuals exist but there's some seriously systemic bullshit going on within American forces at times. More so the clear cover ups and justice not working both ways when a life has been taken when it shouldn't have been.

I mean you probably won't be surprised to hear I'm yet another brit who is anti-gun and doesn't belive citizens require to walk around armed to the teeth. However I'm not so simply ignorant to try and say taking away guns stops cops shooting people, specifically black people. The problem with justice not being served to cops and the indefensible and disgustingly high rate of shootings of blacks, many unarmed, is a separate issue from any gun law/1st amendment debates.

 

[robochimp]

Trump protesters are just giving Trump more momentum, hype, discussion, and ammo. He has managed to flip the whole race on its head. Trump has received $2 Billion in free media attention and now stands today in a dead tie with Clinton for the national primary. The snowball effect is in full momentum, might be difficult to stop at this point.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_38_clinton_38

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-2-billion-free-media_us_56e83410e4b065e2e3d75935

That poll is meaningless, how are they doing in each individual state?

The protests are a major problem for Trump, his whole game for the general election is going to rely on pivoting away from his extreme rhetoric. The protests disrupt his efforts in larger cities and act as a reflection of his extremism.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Trump protesters are just giving Trump more momentum, hype, discussion, and ammo. He has managed to flip the whole race on its head. Trump has received $2 Billion in free media attention and now stands today in a dead tie with Clinton for the national primary. The snowball effect is in full momentum, might be difficult to stop at this point.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_38_clinton_38

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-2-billion-free-media_us_56e83410e4b065e2e3d75935

I understand you're excited and all but you should really look at more polling data: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Black bloc is a tactic, not a specific group. Using violence as a means to show your grievances doesn't remove those grievances. Those black bloc anarchists very likely share the same objections with that body of protesters at these events, but their methods are different. I don't see why the violent individuals at Trump protests can't also be individuals who are similarly distressed, but chose violence as their vehicle.

Because, if you dig deep enough, that is usually not the case...whether they have a warped view of their alignment or their own agenda, I believe that sort of individual is going there with something in mind.

I have been to protests where a person is being dragged away by police shouting shit that had nothing to do with the actual protest.

I think it's extremely rare when a person that is there to be peaceful, organically goes violent without provocation.

The people looting the CVS in Ferguson prolly weren't there to peacefully assemble.

 

[gutter_trash]

Black bloc is a tactic, not a specific group. Using violence as a means to show your grievances doesn't remove those grievances. Those black bloc anarchists very likely share the same objections with that body of protesters at these events, but their methods are different. I don't see why the violent individuals at Trump protests can't also be individuals who are similarly distressed, but chose violence as their vehicle.

LOLOLOL
Black Bloc are full of garbage

all they do is hijack other people's protests than go anarcho-vandalsim on everything

Black Bloc are useless and are only out for shits n giggles.

I'm a Montrealer, I have seen them in action. Black Block are a big fat mess