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[Velcro Fly]

Too many large colleges in this state full of students wanting free tuition I guess

 

[Prodigal Son]

Whether it's what we should aspire to or not is pointless since the way the US is set up by the constitution it literally can not support more than 2 major parties. So unless you think an amendment will change how our entire congress is set up (it won't), you need to work with the system. Not wanting to work from inside the system when it's by far the most efficient and fastest way to success isn't praiseworthy. It's just stupid

There's the disagreement. Many see it as the only option when both democrats and republicans are as far to the right as they are compared to so many other modern nations.

 

[JesseEwiak]

I get you but here's my position and I know we'll likely disagree.

I don't think the two party system is all we should aspire to. The reality right now may be Democrat or republican, but there are those who want it to be more than that and see issues with both the democratic party and the republican party. Many (Stein or Flowers) don't want to innovate those parties from within, but rather, start something from the outside. Bernie evidently disagrees.

Which is why the Left will always lose. You know what the Right did after a blowout loss in 1964? They ran again the next year. They got elected to school boards, to water commissions, to state legislatures, so that a generation later, a Presidential candidate had to pretend to be one of them, and another generation later, all of their leaders were part of that movement.

What did the Left do after McGovern got smashed in '72? Whined about the Man and went and got office jobs.

The Overton Window massively moved to the Right in this country because the conservative movement was willing to do that hard and dirty work. No, getting a slightly more liberal state senator elected in rural Michigan won't get you many likes on Facebook, but it provides a foundation. And no, giving money to like three Congressional challengers six months into a campaign isn't enough.

There's the disagreement. Many see it as the only option when both democrats and republicans are as far to the right as they are compared to so many other modern nations.

Except this is simply untrue. Maybe this was different even 10 years ago, but every single member of the current Democratic caucus would be perfectly fine within most of those national Social Democratic countries. If David Cameron was in the US, he'd be advocating for the repeal of Obamacare just as if Obama was in the UK, he'd be defending the NHS. Right wing politicians in other nations aren't better people, they've just got a different Overton Window to deal with - after all, look at how many European politicians in "progressive" Europe started to sound like Dixiecrat Senator's in 1943 the moment more than 8 Muslim's showed up in their country.

 

[Miles X]

I'd say the same about hilary supporters lol but they're all here on Gaf or too old to use a computer lol

nobody cares about your anecdotal stories broooo

Glad you admit GAF is a Hillary domain!

This is a sad sight, I hope you don't keep this up when he condeeds next month.

 

[Trouble]

Fox saying Trump is going to speak soon, but no link on their site that I can find. Wonder if he's waiting until after Cruz talks.

He's going to wait until Cruz starts, then start his forcing the networks to make a choice. They will choose Trump.

 

[Piggus]

As a Floridian, this state is seemingly voting Trump in the GE. Everyday I see more and more Trump sticks signs. And I'm not even in the rural areas, I'm in South Florida.

Well, shit! Time to pack it up!

 

[Mr. RPG]

Too many large colleges in this state full of students wanting free tuition I guess

What's wrong with that?

 

[MIMIC]

CNN panel is drunk

 

[shintoki]

Remember this? HILLARY FREES DELEGATES TO UNITE BEHIND OBAMA

Bernie needs to be doing this, not Hillary. Hillary has already been saying "there's more that unites us than divides us" talking to Sanders supporters. Bernie needs to tell his crowds to support Hillary instead of making money laundering accusations

That date for that says August 8th. Not May. She still stuck it out till the end.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

This song playing for the Cruz speech is kinda depressing.

Everyone in there looks defeated. I mean, most of them have the back of their heads facing the camera, but you can just sense the depression.

 

[Velcro Fly]

That date for that says August 8th. Not May. She still stuck it out till the end.

she was also way closer than Bernie is now too

 

[7DollarHagane]

It's enjoyable to watch Cruz Lose but then again, when you look at who wins..

 

[Aaronrules380]

There's the disagreement. Many see it as the only option when both democrats and republicans are as far to the right as they are compared to so many other modern nations.

But you literally get nothing done by working outside the system. You change nothing. And again, the US as it's set up, CAN NOT feasibly support more than 2 major parties. You'd need to make drastic amendments to the constitution for additional parties viable in the US.

If Democrats are still too far right, it makes more sense to pull them left by joining them, rather than wait outside and yell at clouds while nobody listens

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I've been listening to bad country music for 20 minutes just to hear a loser mope about losing for glorious schadenfreude.

 

[DrForester]

He's going to wait until Cruz starts, then start his forcing the networks to make a choice. They will choose Trump.

I think he'll wait to see what Cruz says and decide if he should use the "Cruz Conceeds" speech, or the "Screw Cruz" speech.

 

[ant1532]

Remember this? HILLARY FREES DELEGATES TO UNITE BEHIND OBAMA

Bernie needs to be doing this, not Hillary. Hillary has already been saying "there's more that unites us than divides us" talking to Sanders supporters. Bernie needs to tell his crowds to support Hillary instead of making money laundering accusations

Do you understand when this was?

After the primaries.

 

[ampere]

That date for that says August 8th. Not May. She still stuck it out till the end.

I'm not saying Bernie has to fold now, but he needs to change his tone and he needs to do something like this at the convention if he hasn't dropped out yet. He needs to work to unite the party this time, though he's really an "Independent" so I'm not sure what he'll do.

 

[BSsBrolly]

I think he'll wait to see what Cruz says and decide if he should use the "Cruz Conceeds" speech, or the "Screw Cruz" speech.

Knowing Trump that should be the same speech...

 

[Prodigal Son]

But you literally get nothing done by working outside the system. You change nothing. And again, the US as it's set up, CAN NOT feasibly support more than 2 major parties. You'd need to make drastic amendments to the constitution for additional parties viable in the US.

If Democrats are still too far right, it makes more sense to pull them left by joining them, rather than wait outside and yell at clouds while nobody listens

I sort of agree with you. it's why Bernie is doing what he's doing.

However there are those who genuinely believe that shifting the democrats as far to left as need be, given their corporate involvement, is as unattainable a goal as abolishing the two party system. I'm not saying this is the more reasonable way to think, but Stein certainly will argue it is.

 

[Quonny]

Too many large colleges in this state full of students wanting free tuition I guess

The number of Porsches, Lambos, and other $$$ cars I see on Purdue's campus blows me away.

 

[Crocodile]

Think of it this way; at this stage, Bernie is like a Fist of the North Star mook who's already been hit by Kenshiro and told he's already dead. But instead of exploding, he spends the next 20 episodes following Ken around and yelling he's going to beat him this time

This analogy is AMAZING <3

Maybe instead of just wanting him and his followers to shut up and fall in, Hillary should try to work with Bernie to get his supporters on her side, like Obama did with her. I just get the feeling Hillary wants to just shut him out entirely.

Hilary did back flips to get her supporters to back Obama after the primaries were over. Hilary has to reach out, and if you listen to her speeches she has been, but its also on Bernie to go all in to move his supporters into the Clinton campaign for the GE. I still think Bernie will do that but his rhetoric recently has been kind of concerning.

Yeah, but she was offered a prime cabinet seat. I don't think she's eager to give Bernie a thing.

Hilary got one eventually but she wasn't offered one for her support after the primaries. Her goal was the return to the Senate and she even turned down the SoS job the first time she was offered.

 

[Aaronrules380]

I sort of agree with you. it's why Bernie is doing what he's doing.

However there are those who genuinely believe that shifting the democrats as far the left as the need be given their corporate involvement is as unattainable a goal as abolishing the two party system. I'm not saying this is the more reasonable way to think, but Stein certainly will argue it is.

And what has Stein actually achieved on that front? What percentage of Americans do you think even have the foggiest idea of who Stein is?

 

[DrForester]

I've been listening to bad country music for 20 minutes just to hear a loser mope about losing for glorious schadenfreude.

We're coming to America.... TODAY!

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Do you understand when this was?

After the primaries.

I don't expect anything to happen with this until at, our around, the convention.

I do expect his rhetoric to begin to change soon.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Here comes Cruz

He's live

 

[Prodigal Son]

And what has Stein actually achieved on that front? What percentage of Americans do you think even have the foggiest idea of who Stein is?

Few. More likely will in the future given the influence of social media. I don't think it's mind-blowing to consider a time where an effective independent social media campaign could garner enough attention from otherwise democratic leaning voters to the point where the democratic party sees some reform for the sake of remaining competitive. I'm sure Stein is counting on that.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Why is Kasich still in this race? Jesus!

 

[DrForester]

Carlie taking the stage.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/25531934...n-indianapolis/?intcmp=watchnow#sp=watch-live

 

[LowParry]

Oh here we go with Cruz.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Oh boy the future Vp is opening for Lyin' Ted

 

[Miles X]

At current margins, Bernie should net 2 delegates.

 

[ant1532]

I don't expect anything to happen with this until at, our around, the convention.

I do expect his rhetoric to begin to change soon.

Clinton stans love to act like his rhetoric/tone is non-policy oriented, I love it. He's running against her, he's not NOT going to show their differences.

 

[Quonny]

I've seen this opening act before.

She's alright. Lyrics need some work but not the worst artist from a vocal standpoint.

 

[DrForester]

Carlie froze up a minute there.


edit: This sounds like half "we're going on" and half "we're done"

 

[ampere]

Do you understand when this was?

After the primaries.

Ya, but that race was this close:
Popular vote margin: Obama +41,622

This current race is Clinton +3,153,641

Seeing a bit of a difference here? There's no chance for Bernie here, there's no reason for him to still be in the race.

 

[Prodigal Son]

I've seen this opening act before.

She's alright. Lyrics need some work but not the worst artist from a vocal standpoint.

haha


OT: ew why am I only hearing Carly in one ear

 

[ant1532]

Ya, but that race was this close:
Popular vote margin: Obama +41,622

This current race is Clinton +3,153,641

Seeing a bit of a difference here? There's no chance for Bernie here, there's no reason for him to still be in the race.

Yes there is every reason for allowing the rest of the country to choose who they want to lead their country.

 

[giga]

At current margins, Bernie should net 2 delegates.

Don't let anyone convince you otherwise. This is momentum in our favor. If we multiple those 2 delegates by each day until California, the nomination is all but guaranteed.

 

[E92 M3]

You guys ready to hear 100% bullshit?

 

[Bronx-Man]

Why does she do that thing with her neck?

 

[Miles X]

Don't let anyone convince you otherwise. This is momentum in our favor. If we multiple those 2 delegates by each day until California, the nomination is all but guaranteed.

Erm, you're forgetting to multiply by 10 for being an open primary.

Carly is vile.

 

[giga]

https://twitter.com/PatrickSvitek/status/727655268084002817

!

 

[E92 M3]

Lol, Carly is constantly using the word "citizen."

 

[Tobor]

Yes there is every reason for allowing the rest of the country to choose who they want to lead their country.

That's in November. This is a primary, and the choice has already been made.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Clinton stans love to act like his rhetoric/tone is non-policy oriented, I love it. He's running against her, he's not NOT going to show their differences.

Accusations of money laundering aren't policy oriented. That's slash and burn politicking.

Does nothing for any liberal agenda.

 

[BeforeU]

Carlie taking the stage.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/25531934...n-indianapolis/?intcmp=watchnow#sp=watch-live

 

[hammysaurusrex]

I lot of my friends who went to Stein left very quickly after finding about the anti-science baggage of the Green Party (anti-nuclear, anti-GMO, anti-vaccine). I suspect a lot of people are "feeling" like she's appealing in the wake of wanting a Sanders alternative... but there's a reason Sanders has has been ignoring Stein even though she's been trying to ride his coat-tails for months - she's nuts and toxic to actual progressive goals.

 

[DR2K]

Yes there is every reason for allowing the rest of the country to choose who they want to lead their country.

Also Bernie's campaign supports jobs and the economy needs jobs.

 

[Miles X]

Cruz throwing the towel in?!

 

[Velcro Fly]

so any bets we don't see any talk from Sanders supporters about fraud, disenfranchisement, or suppression if he holds on to win Indiana?