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[omonimo]

I mean. There is absolutely no doubt right ?

Jeez don't suggest such things to Sony.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

Gonna quote myself

Maybe I'm cynical but yeah I'd be surprised if many 3rd party publishers go back to their old PS4 games to work on making them look better for the more advanced PS4 without charging anything for it. Seems like the perfect opportunity for a microtransaction!

 

[Jacksinthe]

Jeez don't suggest such things to Sony.

Sony isn't going to force upgrades.

I wouldn't put it past EA, though.

 

[Maxey]

Sony isn't going to force upgrades.

I wouldn't put it past EA, though.

I doubt Sony would allow 3rd parties to do it. Sony seems to really not want to fuck this up by all means.

 

[MMaRsu]

The thing isn't official yet. So wait. Because speculation won't work for an imaginary product.

This. Nobody knows shit yet

 

[omonimo]

Maybe I'm cynical but yeah I'd be surprised if many 3rd party publishers go back to their old PS4 games to work on making them look better for the more advanced PS4 without charging anything for it. Seems like the perfect opportunity for a microtransaction!

Well if I have understood correctly, old games need to be patched in any case to work on ps4 neo hardware. So it's just a choice of the developers to achieve or less improved grafic assets.

 

[pa22word]

I get so sick of you people that want bad things to happen just so you can get some cheap entertainment. It's really pathetic.

They're video games.

The medium itself is a textbook definition of "cheap entertainment".

 

[kyser73]

Maybe I'm cynical but yeah I'd be surprised if many 3rd party publishers go back to their old PS4 games to work on making them look better for the more advanced PS4 without charging anything for it. Seems like the perfect opportunity for a microtransaction!

'Here we have FIFA14 Neo for the reasonable sum of $9.99.'

'Finally have a working version of the deeply loved Assassin's Creed Unity - now on 1080p for your delectation and delight. A mere €10.'

Well if I have understood correctly, old games need to be patched in any case to work on ps4 neo hardware. So it's just a choice of the developers to achieve or less improved grafic assets.

All PS4 games are to run on Neo without a patch.

All games after October need a Neo mode built in. September titles need to be patched.

Developers/publishers can update old titles with a Neo mode as they see fit.

 

[kyser73]

Dp whoops

 

[omonimo]

This. Nobody knows shit yet

Really now? Multiple sources confirmed it's existence.

 

[FootballFan]

PS4K Patch Pricing Revealed

Patch for 900p 30fps = $1.99
Patch for 900p 60fps = $4.99
Patch for 1080p 30fps = $9.99
Patch for 1080p 60fps = $19.99

*Framerates Locked
**Dynamic Resolutions Not Permitted

 

[jeffram]

It's going to be a requirement to pass certification. Sony won't let them hide it behind dlc.

 

[GodofWine]

I expect about 2 older games to be patched, 1st party, Sony will fund it, market it, and you will never see another old game updated.

 

[Maxey]

I expect about 2 older games to be patched, 1st party, Sony will fund it, market it, and you will never see another old game updated.

Hopefully those 2 games are Just Cause 3 and Bloodborne.

 

[Dunkley]

Greaterness awaits for just $9.99

 

[blastprocessor]

Depends on the game. If it's been out for a while don't expect a Neo update. One prays for Driveclub and Uncharted 4 60fps updates.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Of course they will be. That would be a disincentive for people to upgrade, and Sony doesn't want that.

 

[JPS Kai]

Ask me on June 13th.

 

[KDin]

Hopefully those 2 games are Just Cause 3 and Bloodborne.

Also hoping for 1080p patches for 900p games such as the Assassin Creeds........

 

[Z3M0G]

Considering they will come in patch form if the leaked papers are then yes they will be free, it's up to the dev though if they want to patch it in on older games.

What leaked papers?

 

[gofreak]

If we're accepting reported leaks, I believe this pretty much covers that, from the Eurogamer report:

All games you purchase, whether via disc or from the PlayStation Store, should offer both PS4 and Neo functionality with no extra costs associated in running titles on a different console.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...ion-4k-neo-and-the-original-ps4-will-co-exist

I don't think they're allowed to charge more for Neo mode patches.

 

[Family Fry]

I just don't think many developers (other than 1st party) will go back to their previous games to patch a neo mode in. Maybe mid-late 2016 titles, anything prior for publishers may be a waste of resources and time, if it requires work.

Would love to be proven wrong and see some older titles patched though, I would definitely replay some I own digitally but I'm not re-buying a game I've completed to play it at a higher resolution/frame rate.

 

[Micerider]

Yeah I think Sony might "Role Model" the upgrades with a few select existing titles (Uncharted 4, Driveclub...maybe Bloodborne?) and let publishers do as they please for their portfolio.

What would be incredibly funny is Square Enix releasing FFXV on 30rd of September with the date of "mandatory Neo mode" on 1st of October and going all "nope, no Neo mode for FFXV".

 

[bobawesome]

Just got back from the future where they announced everything...

They will be free.

Also... Trump is president...

 

[Kyoufu]

Yeah I think Sony might "Role Model" the upgrades with a few select existing titles (Uncharted 4, Driveclub...maybe Bloodborne?) and let publishers do as they please for their portfolio.

What would be incredibly funny is Square Enix releasing FFXV on 30rd of September with the date of "mandatory Neo mode" on 1st of October and going all "nope, no Neo mode for FFXV".

Square-Enix are one of Sony's biggest supporters so nah, they didn't plan their release date over something silly like that.

 

[Kolx]

Nobody knows, but you'll probably get it for free if rumors is anything to believe.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

Yeah I think Sony might "Role Model" the upgrades with a few select existing titles (Uncharted 4, Driveclub...maybe Bloodborne?) and let publishers do as they please for their portfolio.

What would be incredibly funny is Square Enix releasing FFXV on 30rd of September with the date of "mandatory Neo mode" on 1st of October and going all "nope, no Neo mode for FFXV".

Assuming the leaks are true, games released in Sept have to patch in a Neo mode, don't they? It's only after Oct 1 that it's required at launch.

 

[mclem]

All games after October need a Neo mode built in. September titles need to be patched.

I'm surprised by the persistent suggestions from leaks that 'all games' will offer something, because there's a number of indie games where I find it hard to see anything meaningful the extra power would allow them. What would a Neo mode in Shovel Knight offer?

I have to assume that there's some common-sense leeway there and it's not an out-and-out TRC.

 

[kyser73]

I'm surprised by the persistent suggestions from leaks that 'all games' will offer something, because there's a number of indie games where I find it hard to see anything meaningful the extra power would allow them. What would a Neo mode in Shovel Knight offer?

I have to assume that there's some common-sense leeway there and it's not an out-and-out TRC.

My guess would be that even something like improved AA could count as 'Neo mode', but yeah I think Sony will apply logic to what they expect based on the game style.

What leaked papers?

http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/sources-the-upgraded-playstation-4-is-codenamed-ne/1100-5437/

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-sonys-plan-for-playstation-4k-neo-revealed

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...ion-4k-neo-and-the-original-ps4-will-co-exist

 

[omonimo]

'Here we have FIFA14 Neo for the reasonable sum of $9.99.'

'Finally have a working version of the deeply loved Assassin's Creed Unity - now on 1080p for your delectation and delight. A mere €10.'



All PS4 games are to run on Neo without a patch.

All games after October need a Neo mode built in. September titles need to be patched.

Developers/publishers can update old titles with a Neo mode as they see fit.

Uh-huh? How exactly?

 

[Applecot]

Uh-huh? How exactly?

By virtue of it still being a PS4

 

[ps3ud0]

I dont expect many pre-October (or perhaps when devs were first made aware of this) releases outside of some Sony first party that will go back and patch a game to take advantage of Neo.

Im not sure what the incentive would be for publishers - would it lead to that many more sales of an old game?

ps3ud0 8)

 

[Maxey]

Uh-huh? How exactly?

According to the leaked info, regular PS4 games can run on Neo without needing a patch as it has Base mode for running those, where I imagine will simply "fool" the games into thinking they're running on a regular PS4.

 

[c0de]

Well, I think it will depend on the publisher but extra work should also get extra money, in my opinion.

 

[Kyoufu]

Well, I think it will depend on the publisher but extra work should also get extra money, in my opinion.

So you want to pay for all patches in the future? Yeeeeeeeeah no.

 

[breakfuss]

We're all engineers from Sony who can answer this question so it's a good thing you asked it here.

I don't know about you but my dad's cousin is!

 

[DeepEnigma]

Just got back from the future where they announced everything...

They will be free.

Also... Trump is president...

Damn it. Bernie promised free* Neos for all.

 

[Son Of Sparda]

They aren't gonna sell you a new PS4 and then ask you to buy an update for a game you already own to make it run better. That's just stupid.

I imagine the only thing that is gonna change is that developers will have their games check what hardware it's running on and load up the appropriate settings. For example, If it's on the current PS4 model then it will load one set of textures and keep the framerate locked at 30fps. If it's on the PS4 neo then it will load up another set of (higher quality) textures and unlock the framerate.

Hahaha.

 

[mclem]

My guess would be that even something like improved AA could count as 'Neo mode', but yeah I think Sony will apply logic to what they expect based on the game style.

There's a cynical part of my brain going "Even if it's an absolutely basic sprite-based game, if you lock the non-neo version to 30fps, that'd fulfil the requirements". That's the sort of thing I'm hoping common sense can avoid!

 

[Phinor]

Neo might be a good place for them to push for 80€ regular pricing, up from 70-75€ they are asking now. How about it? Obviously it'd still be $59.99 in US.

 

[kyser73]

There's a cynical part of my brain going "Even if it's an absolutely basic sprite-based game, if you lock the non-neo version to 30fps, that'd fulfil the requirements". That's the sort of thing I'm hoping common sense can avoid!

I was scarred by Broforce too, man.

Sights I can't forget.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Neo might be a good place for them to push for 80€ regular pricing, up from 70-75€ they are asking now. How about it? Obviously it'd still be $59.99 in US.

How are you going to do that when the neo mode will be on the same disc as the PS4 version

 

[Deeke[VRZ]]

There's no guarantee existing PlayStation 4 games will be upgraded to leverage PS4 Neo hardware. It should be an iffy thing at the devs discretion.

They'll definitely be playable, but the 4K upscaling likely won't work on every PS4 game and it'll be up to the developers to work it out.

Upscaling legacy PS4 games to 4K is theoretically possible with patches, but don't expect it to be available at launch. And if it is, it'll likely only be available for specific games.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

Most games will enjoy performance improvements out of the box purely by virtue of the better hardware right?

 

[BosSin]

Just got back from the future where they announced everything...

They will be free.

Also... Trump is president...

Thanks Trump

 

[Maxey]

Most games will enjoy performance improvements out of the box purely by virtue of the better hardware right?

Probably not, since they'll run in Base Mode on PS4 NEO, which should emulate the processing speed of the regular PS4.

 

[Blanquito]

Yep.

There is no such thing as a "Neo version."

And once again we're done here. Thanks!

 

[Melchiah]

I honestly hope they do charge just so I can see the fanboy damage control.

"A remaster of a remaster you say? NOPE. /This/ remaster looks better than the last version! Totally worth buying the game for the third time at full price, especially with that new neo plat!"

I guess it's a good thing then, that I posted about the subject already a week ago. Too late to flame.

I guess it's possible, if they think there's enough demand for it. Some players might buy the game again, if they've already sold it away, or played it on PC due to better performance. I wonder if it's possible for them to charge for the PS4K patches? Depending on the price and changes, I might pay for them, at least when it comes to my favorite games.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Fuck. That didn't even cross my mind but it can happen

 

[daveo42]

They will be software patches, so as far as I'm aware those should be free. I think it would be wise of Sony to make sure that language is already clear in their stipulations for Neo upgrades if it hasn't already been included in the leaked documents already.