What was wrong with Fennekin's evolutions? They all look good.
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Pokémon Sun and Moon Starters Revealed. Releases November 18th 2016.
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What was wrong with Fennekin's evolutions? They all look good.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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not bad
Is this real?
Empyrean Heaven
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I doubt it.
Shadow Broker
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Ah, but X & Y and ORAS take place in a different universe to the other ones
It does? Since when?
Are we talking about what the girl said in ORAS Delta episode?
So is there going to be a new Universe everytime a new type or evolution to a old Pokémon announced and adjustments are made for the new types and evolution?
My Delphox is Fire/Psychic ?
Already Torn
Banned
Dunsparce isn't boosted by Eviolite in X and Y, but now is in Sun and Moon because it has an evolution.
No, there is 2 universe, one with the big meteor crashing on the world (Mega stones come from it), and one without.
Zinnia talk about a universe where the big meteor didn't it the planet in ORAS.
These are literally their types lol
bizzarewars
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Mega Dunsparce would be earth shattering.
MegaManTrigger
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There were a lot of complaints of Braixen and Delphox being bipedal in comparison to how well-designed Fennekin was. Design-wise, it looks pretty bad (even if I understand the theming behind it, to go the bipedal fox route ruins any potential it had as a regular fox).
I'd go as far as to say Chesnaught and Greninja were so much better designed than Delphox.
Shadow Broker
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So Gen 1 threw 5 is the OG universe and Gen 6+ is the new universe?
So if we ever get a mainline game without any Mega's in it that'll mean we're in the OG Gen, is that correct?
Finally someone else that know's what's good
Nah, every game except ORAS is in the OG Universe. They just made up the dumb alternate universe thing to explain how there were mega Pokemon in Hoenn during ancient times.
I don't understand what's the difference between old Pokémon not being able to get new evolutions because it would mean that Eviolite no longer works on them (so, they are competitively different from one gen to another) to old Pokémon getting their moveset, abilities or typing updated each gen.
The only Kalos starter evolution that didn't look good was Chesnaught IMO. I had high hopes after the dorkiness that was Quilladin.
MegaManTrigger
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Why is this a big deal? Gligar wasn't boosted by Eviolite before its evolution in Gen IV, and this was prior to Eviolite's debut in Gen V.
I thought X&Y made it clear their were infinite universes? I seem to remember that being said.
Somebody (though it may have been just my roommate) said Gen 1&2 are thier own universe, hence why the remake games are still different from the originals.
Shadow Broker
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But then that'll put Mega's in the OG Universe which would make that Delta episode useless as fuck.So we haven't seen the Universe without Mega's in it yet?
This shit is stupid.
Hero Prinny
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what complaints? Fennekin's evoloutions are great.
They ruined everything good about Fennekin.
Agreed
They are. Braixen is by far the best Kalos starter. The only reason Delphox was "disappointing" is because Braixen was so good and it's kinda hard to top greatness.
Hero Prinny
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nah you're tripping. Gen 6 starters are great, gen 6 has the best starters across all gens so far, only gen imo where no one is a stinker (which normally there is always at least one, sometimes all of them are stinkers, like gen 5's).
Shadow Broker
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Made it clear how?
All I remember was some dumbass try to power up an old ass weapon some dude create 3,000 years prior to revive his dead Pokémon. I didn't hear anything about different Universe Until ORAS Delta mission.
I may have missed it or just don't remember it because XY lore and story is extremely forgettable.
Infinite universes is stupid and I kind of wish I never read Joe's post which made me think of it.
I thought Snivvy was pretty good in gen 5
Wasn't expecting tiny fox to become a bipedal witch/warlock thing with a weird wardrobe.
X/Y never went into detail on it. ORAS was the first game to tease the idea of taking place in an alternate universe to explain the differences from the GBA games.
X/Y, for what little story it had, was acting like a successor to B2W2.
ORAS is the one that introduced the universe thing iirc
Like, as far as I'm concerned the remakes just replace the originals in terms of "canon", but it's not like that affects a whole lot anyway. Any explanation around it is just a wink at the audience.
Already Torn
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Eviolite wasn't introduced until Gen V though, so it's not a problem.
bizzarewars
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Yeah, Gen 6 had some of the most consistently coherent and all around good designs in general. First time in a long time I liked all the starters equally.
Hero Prinny
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yea, base form snivy was fine, but its final evo along with the other 2 are ugly and lame. gen 5 was the only time where i disliked the starters so much I just boxed it and got another pokemon to replace it, I didn't even do that with gen 4 which is another gen where while I didn't like any of the 3 starters, at least piplup was okayish i guess.
GiantBreadbug
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So?
What am I missing? Why would this be a problem at all?
Also lol @ Pokemon timeline theory. I'm not going to pretend there's just a bunch of timelines where certain things didn't exist. I guess in that case every new gen is a separate timeline since the previous gen didn't feature those Pokemon. It was a weird little unsubstantial plot point in ORAS.
It's called retconning, folks. Pokemon does it all the fuckin time.
Boss Doggie
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Quite possibly. Would tie in with the fact that it has the symbol for sulfur/brimstone on its face.
Big ol' furbomb here we come.
we all know people would call tiger babies kitties anyway
he has pecs!
I never played OR/AS, I seem to remember the professor telling the story of the creation of the universe and how an event fractured it. I haven't played it for a long time (since it launched) but swear they made comments about the possibility of universes without the potential for mega evolutions and how the item/Pokemon storage system taps in to other dimensions to store things.
Guess I'm going to have to play OR/AS... Which one of better?
Guess I'm going to have to play OR/AS... Which one of better?
MegaManTrigger
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Which is what I said...Even with the debut not being until Gen V, the example is still similar if you consider the point being about things Pokemon could do in Gen V that originally wasn't possible in their original gens.
The whole example you mentioned seems very arbitrary.
Already Torn
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GameFreak doesn't like having Pokemon do things that they had no canon reason not to do before. It's why Leafeon doesn't evolve via leaf stone and why you need to use some dumb insense to make a Mantyke.
We can assume that Gligar has been able to have its stats boosted by the Eviolite since Gen 2, it's just that we didn't get the chance to try it out until Gen 5 because there was no Eviolite in previous games.
We know for a fact that Eviolite doesn't work on Dunsparce.
Lil'DigiOp
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I'm using Snivy now and Serperior is so unfulfilling..
I have to have a Miracle Seed on it to sweep. Its just not a fun Pokemon to use.
GiantBreadbug
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I'm still failing to see how it would be a problem rather than just something that goes against the grain of dumb shit they always do.
It seems the only argument is "they don't usually do that," which doesn't really address the why of the thing.
Already Torn
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I don't know, ask GameFreak. They seem to consider it a huge problem, to the point where they created a whole new universe to justify Mega Stones. I think it's really annoying personally, I hate having a Pokemon evolve via Ancient Power.
The why is that GameFreak never does it that way.
Growing pains.
Contrary Serperior is really strong. Too bad it's a hidden ability.