Spring Drive
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Sounds cool but I'll wait for the -75% Steam sale
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Civilization 6 announced, out October 21st
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Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
"Something else"? Less techs worries me, but that "something else" intrigues me. Maybe mini techs? Or maybe you can power up techs, so while it may only be 50 main techs a lot of them might have multiple levels that you can either research or ignore? We'll have to wait and see I guess.
vpance
Member
Daily login bonus beakers?
Tacklemacain
Member
They also said, you will get bonuses for marine techs, if your city is near the sea.
I am glad they attempt to shake things up a bit.
I am glad they attempt to shake things up a bit.
NobleXenon
Member
Any word on implementing the Orbital Layer from Civ:BE? It would be cool to use the layer for spy satellites or broadcasts.
Giant Panda
Member
Yeah, I think this could be a cool way to make playthroughs a bit more varied. I hope they also do things like give a bonus to horseback riding if you control a source of horses, bonus to metalworking if you control a source of iron or copper, etc.
Yeah I'm pretty sure this is how it will work, seeing as in the IGN interview they used the Masonry example of finding stone nearby to boost research.
IGN said:
If they are reducing the number of techs my guess is that technologies in general will take a lot longer to research in general and that new units will come from which buildings/districts you decide to place and where (in relation to different map resources) you place them.
I think this is a good thing.
I think this is a good thing.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Agreed. Decreasing beaker effectiveness has been something they ought to have done for a while now.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Reducing the amount of techs isn't necessarily a bad thing.
TemplaerDude
Member
It's nice to see them shaking up the usual formula a little more dramatically than they have in the past. Excited to see how this turns out.
CoconutTank
Member
I don't mind having less tech. Some technologies in Civ5 sort of felt like filler technologies or could be incorporated into other technologies without much upset.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Between the art and other news it seems they are simplifying for eventual console/mobile ports. I guess we shall see how bad this will turn out but there is 0 chance I would buy it Day 1.
Um, every Civ has considerably Sharon up the formula. Civ 5 was the biggest shift in the series history - hexes instead of tiles and one unit per square were massive, massive changes that fundamentally changed how the game works.
We can criticise Civ and its many incarnations for many flaws, but they've always been willing to experiment and change systems. It's never rested on its laurels (although launch Civ 4 came close).
AstuteClass
Banned
I agree. I would rather fewer techs that do more in terms of changing the game up, than 1 million techs that research every 5 turns even on Marathon or some dumb shit.
Long has my complaint been about techs and how swiftly they research without mods and how the developers have intended. It's just too much. You're supposed to be slowly crafting a civilization throughout the ages, and it works for things like tile improvements, seafaring, moving units across the map... all but for techs, which seem to come at you thick and fast, with no time to appreciate their individual nuance and benefits.
I think tethering them to specific geography and traits is a masterstroke as well. I think it will do away with having one rival civ running away with technological advancements and another that never seems to budge, until in the end, you send in the tanks and bombers to put their archers and swordsmen out of their misery.
More techs means two things -
- More choice when deciding on what to research.
- More natural, incremental technological advances.
With just 30-40 techs, we're likely going to only have 2-3 choice on what to research at any given time, instead of the usual 6-10. Limiting choice isn't really a good thing in a game like this.
Additionally, fewer techs that take longer to research is going to result in more significant jumps forward with each new tech, which will feel far less organic than the gradual evolution in technology that we see in Civ 5.
With the active portion of technology research, it's not exactly surprising that the tree doesn't need as many techs. For example, if getting the 50% bonus for masonry lets you get the tech in the standard CiV time frame, that's a lot of time for the rest of the reduced tree to take you to the last era.
I might actually be able to enjoy ancient/classical eras without being rushed into medieval this time around.
I might actually be able to enjoy ancient/classical eras without being rushed into medieval this time around.
If the techs are tied to your environment I could see them having to trim the amount down. I don't think it bothers me much to be honest.
One thing I hope they address is the rate of research vs building... I realize you're not meant to build everything, but in Civ 5 I felt most of the time that the stuff I was building was from a previous era.
And oh, I do hope they bring back music changing for each era... I appreciate that they wanted to make the music less western-centric, but without the music changes from Civ 4 i didn't really feel the progress in history as much.
One thing I hope they address is the rate of research vs building... I realize you're not meant to build everything, but in Civ 5 I felt most of the time that the stuff I was building was from a previous era.
And oh, I do hope they bring back music changing for each era... I appreciate that they wanted to make the music less western-centric, but without the music changes from Civ 4 i didn't really feel the progress in history as much.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Wait so rather than unlocking stuff to operate on resources via tech, you can operate on all resources immediately and operating on them will boost specific tech?
Poodlestrike
Banned
The phrasing is a little confusing, but I think that you can somehow claim or build... something on a relevant tile to get a boost to the research; it doesn't make much sense that you can actually use it before you get the technology, unless the tech is just a bonus.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Just get civ 4 which must be ultra cheap on steam by now and give it a try.
Let us know about it once you realize you've spend a week playing it and you have a dozen missed calls from your boss.
OfficerRaichu15
Member
I havent played 5 or BE as im coming back from Civ 4, would i need to play 5 before this?
decoyplatypus
Member
Definitely not. 5 introduced some features that 6 will maintain/develop (hex tiles, 1 unit-per-tile, etc.), but these are not the sorts of things you need to practice before playing the newer game. Even if, say, 6's social policy system turns out to be very similar to 5's, changes to other game mechanics (e.g. how culture is generated, how cost-effective it is to generate culture as opposed to other resources, how valuable the policies themselves are) pretty much guarantee that 5 will not be a reliable guide to playing 6.
DoctorPayne
Banned
Yeah, you're not going to understand Gandhi's motivation if you don't.
Poodlestrike
Banned
5 is pretty crucial to the story. Even setting aside Ghandi like DoctorPayne mentioned, the relationship between Shaka and Montezuma isn't going to make ANY sense if you don't.
Those kids are adorable.
Good if you were going to pre-order Civ 6 anyway and happened to want a Steam controller to play it with.
exmachina64
Banned
Do you play on a TV?
AstuteClass
Banned
To increase the number of units? Since they put (partial) stacking in to reduce congestion, wouldn't increasing the number of units just make it pointless?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I never understood the "more leaders per nation" thing. It's like they forget Civ V's method was less about "oh this nation has x and y bonus" and more of completely unique bonus features.
To increase units in the ancient/classical eras. Early game fighting can be pretty dull.
You should play 5 with all of its extensions because it's an amazing game (a game I play for years now).
There is more than enough time to enjoy it before 6 is released.
StrategyFan
Member
it lets people play what they want
some civs have a really neat unique building or unit, but people don't want to play a leader that is being funneled down a particular playstyle
Orthogonal
Member
I agree with this. The mod community has stepped up and put a lot of different leaders out there, but this should be a low hanging fruit for Firaxis. Ok, some countries may not have a long list of big name leaders, but many have an abundance of big names that would be fun to play with.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I dunno, it kinda undermines the uniqueness of each Civ on how they are presented in V. I can see how IV has it since the uniqueness of leaders are just bonuses with unique units/buildings being civ-tied, but I feel in V the unique building/unit/structure are in-line with the Civ's unique function.
Feel_The_Pain
Member
Yup.
Shadowheart
Member
OMG, I was going to put a screen of the game on the phone to further the point but it turned out it really is from the game!
AAAAHHHH! Talk about a wet blanket...
AstuteClass
Banned
I know there's only a tidbit of information out there now, but I expected this thread to be moving quicker considering it's official there's going to be a Civ 6.
Is the art style really putting people off?
Is the art style really putting people off?
decoyplatypus
Member
I think most people expected Civ 6 within the next twelve months. Without more information, there's not much to talk about -- except, well, the art style.
I don't like the art style but it has no impact on me buying the game. I don't care about it.
I do think civ5 was a much worse game then civ4 and what worries me is that this seems to be going further in that unfortunate direction.
agreed
I am also really surprised by all the talk about artstyle and graphics, would have hoped a thread about a new Civ-game would be all about discussing what directions they would take the gameplay in (which I have tried to talk about a few times with almost no response). I know for me, that the game can look like Civ1 for all I care, as long as the gameplay is good. Would actually much rather have a game that plays good and looks horrible than a shallow but beautiful game which is what i suspect they are going for.
dragonfart28
Banned
There's a press junket next week so we'll likely get a big dose of news then.
Playing Civ 5 I felt they could do away with many of the technologies and mix them with those 'Race Boons' or whatever they were called, you know the little benefit trees you could upgrade when you reached new ages or w/e? The ones that were split up into different approaches, war, commerce, etc etc.
The less techs there are, the less complicated will the tech three be, in general. This means that you will have less options at each point, and that the game, ultimately, gives you less choice. In other words, this will make a series even more shallow and easy to play for newcomers. If this is not supplemented by something else, which i hope.
Giant Panda
Member
It's possible they're starting off with less techs so that can be filled in with the expansions, as they won't be able to just re-implement past mechanics like they did with Civ 5.
Yeah, I think this is very probable. And it irritates me, why do they think we want a new game? Its not to have less options, its to have more. But yeah, its true they did just the same with Civ5, and both reviewers and a lot of more casual fans loved that game, so they are probably going down the same route once more.
decoyplatypus
Member
Fewer research choices doesn't necessarily mean fewer choices--or fewer interesting choices--in general.
Bear in mind that one of their stated goals (as it has been with prior Civs and expansions, to be fair) is to avoid an optimal research/build order that players will use with few variations no matter the circumstances. When there's a clearly "correct" build order, the number of other techs you might have researched tends not to matter as much.