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[digitalrelic]

And your using a non-reference 980 Ti.

Those benchmarks are comparing the 1080 with it's reference "Founders edition" cooler to cards with non-reference coolers, which is a ridiculous comparison to begin with but the fact that the 1080 is still 3% faster is impressive for a card replacing the 980.

Impressive? It may be impressive to you, but it's not impressive at all to me for a $700 graphics card to be 3% faster than a $650 graphics card that was released a year ago.

I'm talking about the Founders Edition card specifically here.

 

[TSM]

I can't wait to buy my Gigabyte G1 Gamer equivalent of the 1080 and then play another couple hundred hours of The Binding of Isaac and Spelunky on it.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Is that base speed or boost?



So their own 1080 presentation is already out of date then? They have back-tracked on the slide seen here at the reveal?

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTQ2MjgwMzAyNkdRYlFCNTFsanRfMV8xX2wuanBn

Nvidia is lying about their MSRP. That $599 might happen with a cheap plastic aib blower cooler model. That's it. They are basically saying aibs can do $599, but why would they?

My 980 ti g1 does 1500/8000 at load without throttling whatsoever, thanks to power delivery and voltage bios mod, which is not at all difficult to flash at all. Temps don't go above 75.

 

[mike6467]

At $699, no, it isn't impressive. A 980 ti is a better buy right now.

Legitimate question. Given my work situation, I want a card I can use ASAP and over the summer that'll work with my RoG g-sync monitor before my gaming time effectively goes to zero this fall. I'll just say $100-$200 is not a concern, as I want the best experience for the time I'll actually be able to game. I'm not fond of overclocking videocards (it's been more trouble then it's worth in the past), but I'll give it another shot if it makes sense.

Am I better off running and getting a 980ti off the shelf like, right now?

 

[holygeesus]

Nvidia is lying about their MSRP. That $599 might happen with a cheap plastic aib blower cooler model. That's it. They are basically saying aibs can do $599, but why would they?

My 980 ti g1 does 1500/8000 at load without throttling whatsoever, thanks to power delivery and voltage bios mod, which is not at all difficult to flash at all. Temps don't go above 75.

I might have to play around with my 980ti then. Thanks.

The Founders Edition still confuses the hell out of me then, and I thought I had it straight in my head. Why even give it that name at all, if the promised $599 model doesn't even exist? Heaven help us if the $599 version does eventually turn up with an even cheaper/worse cooling system on it!

 

[ZOONAMI]

Legitimate question. Given my work situation, I want a card I can use ASAP and over the summer that'll work with my RoG g-sync monitor before my gaming time effectively goes to zero this fall. I'll just say $100-$200 is not a concern, as I want the best experience for the time I'll actually be able to game. I'm not fond of overclocking videocards (it's been more trouble then it's worth in the past), but I'll give it another shot if it makes sense.

Am I better off running and getting a 980ti off the shelf like, right now?

I would get an EVGA 980 ti, register for step up program immediately, and hopefully step up to a 1080 acx 2.0+ model within 90 days.

 

[SneakyStephan]

I think people are talking about two different things when they judge 1080 performance

-the group who looks at gp104 for what it is: a 300mm² baby die with 180W power consumption, that at reference clockspeeds is faster than a heavily overclocked 980ti.
This IS impressive and also beyond everyone's original expectations no matter how you spin it.

-the people who are looking at the price compared to the 980ti's price (a card that is a year old and on 28nm) and are very dissapointed at the performance for this price

Both are correct

-Pascal (mostly thanks to 16nm ff+) is beast

-Nvidia have priced gp104 through the roof to the point where it's no longer attractive for a lot of people and the performance/dollar just isn't there especially for the 1080 and double so for the reference card.


Nvidia engineers (except the clowns who put on that crummy reference cooler that makes the card throttle) did a good job, nvidia suits who priced the thing have fucked consumers (again)

 

[OneUh8]

Legitimate question. Given my work situation, I want a card I can use ASAP and over the summer that'll work with my RoG g-sync monitor before my gaming time effectively goes to zero this fall. I'll just say $100-$200 is not a concern, as I want the best experience for the time I'll actually be able to game. I'm not fond of overclocking videocards (it's been more trouble then it's worth in the past), but I'll give it another shot if it makes sense.

Am I better off running and getting a 980ti off the shelf like, right now?

I would personally given your situation.

 

[seph1roth]

Do you think custom GPUs from companies like Asus, EVGA, and the other would be better than the Founders Edtion?

In fact, wtf is founders edition anyway, i've seen some videos and reviews and still i can't understand what kind of version is that "Founders Edition", i think it has some "new" fan or something like that, but no more.

 

[OneUh8]

Do you think custom GPUs from companies like Asus, EVGA, and the other would be better than the Founders Edtion?

In fact, wtf is founders edition anyway, i've seen some videos and reviews and still i can't understand what kind of version is that "Founders Edition", i think it has some "new" fan or something like that, but no more.

It is almost a certainty that they will be better in every aspect.

 

[Engell]

what is it called when it throttles beneath base clock?
False advertising?

Or it's called next update will make the fan spin slightly faster.(also cards are not even sold yet)

 

[Last_colossi]

Impressive? It may be impressive to you, but it's not impressive at all to me for a $700 graphics card to be 3% faster than a $650 graphics card that was released a year ago.

I'm talking about the Founders Edition card specifically here.

The Founders Edition 1080 is 25 to 30% faster than the "$650 graphics card that was released a year ago" and in the worst case scenario 3% faster than the $690 - $750 non reference overclocked 980 Ti's that were released in the last 6-9 months.

 

[Onemic]

Do you think custom GPUs from companies like Asus, EVGA, and the other would be better than the Founders Edtion?

In fact, wtf is founders edition anyway, i've seen some videos and reviews and still i can't understand what kind of version is that "Founders Edition", i think it has some "new" fan or something like that, but no more.

Founders edition is just the reference card

 

[Vuze]

Do you think custom GPUs from companies like Asus, EVGA, and the other would be better than the Founders Edtion?

I'm sure they will be, it didn't exactly set a high standard lol
Pricing on the other hand... I fear we will only get shittier models below 699$ seeing how the ref card sold out in minutes today.

Nvidia engineers (except the clowns who put on that crummy cooler that makes the card throttle) did a good job, nvidia suits who priced the thing have fucked consumers (again)

This part made me giggle for some reason haha.

 

[OneUh8]

Or its called next update will make the fan spin slightly faster.

Yep. From what I gathered is reviewers could not modify clocks or fan profiles due to no official driver supporting the 1080. We should expect the benches to get even better once the 1080 gets some driver updates to improve the performance. That said, I would still wait for the custom cooler designs.

 

[SneakyStephan]

I'm sure they will be, it didn't exactly set a high standard lol
Pricing on the other hand... I fear we will only get shittier models below 699$ seeing how the ref card sold out in minutes today.


This part made me giggle for some reason haha.

Well they managed to make a 180W gpu throttle, that's quite the achievement
Last time we had a gpu throttle it was the r9 290x with its reference cooler, but that card has a power consumption of over 300w (and peak power consumption of almost 400)

Nvidia's own reference gtx 980ti doesn't throttle despite having much higher power consumption and you can oc it about as high as the aftermarket versions to boot.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_980_ti_review,36.html

Seriously it's some embarrassing stuff when you put it in context

It's like they went out of their way to make the cooler shit, at the same time as they decide to scam people with the ' premium ' marketing

 

[ZOONAMI]

Yep. From what I gathered is reviewers could not modify clocks or fan profiles due to no official driver supporting the 1080. We should expect the benches to get even better once the 1080 gets some driver updates to improve the performance. That said, I would still wait for the custom cooler designs.

Reviewers were provided drivers by nv, and clearly did overclocking runs on the card. See the video above, set fan to 100% as well, so I imagine precisionx and afterburner can change the fan curves.

 

[mike6467]

I would get an EVGA 980 ti, register for step up program immediately, and hopefully step up to a 1080 acx 2.0+ model within 90 days.

Well...huh, ok. So if I do this, I'm guaranteed to eventually be able to swap it for a 1080, correct? I appreciate all the advice in this thread. I wasn't thrilled looking at a reference 1080, but it seemed like there wasn't a better option for my situation, this sounds like it is though, plus I'd have everything rocking tonight as opposed to a week from now, which has value in itself.

 

[Horsemama1956]

Do you think custom GPUs from companies like Asus, EVGA, and the other would be better than the Founders Edtion?

In fact, wtf is founders edition anyway, i've seen some videos and reviews and still i can't understand what kind of version is that "Founders Edition", i think it has some "new" fan or something like that, but no more.

There are very few of these cards actually available to buy so nVidia are just taxing people who happen to pick one up before the 1080 has much larger stock available from multiple sources.

The other cards will be what you expect out of previous generations of hardware.

 

[Ozorov]

Do you think custom GPUs from companies like Asus, EVGA, and the other would be better than the Founders Edtion?

In fact, wtf is founders edition anyway, i've seen some videos and reviews and still i can't understand what kind of version is that "Founders Edition", i think it has some "new" fan or something like that, but no more.

Founders edition is a Reference card. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Well they managed to make a 180W gpu throttle, that's quite the achievement
Last time we had a gpu throttle it was the r9 290x with its reference cooler, but that card has a power consumption of over 300w (and peak power consumption of almost 400)

Nvidia's own reference gtx 980ti doesn't throttle despite having much higher power consumption and you can oc it about as high as the aftermarket versions to boot.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_980_ti_review,36.html

Seriously it's some embarrassing stuff when you put it in context

It's like they went out of their way to make the cooler shit, at the same time as they decide to scam people with the ' premium ' marketing

The reference 980 ti does throttle, guru 3d must not have been watching their clocks over a very long period of time. I had a reference 980 ti that throttled once Temps hit the 80s. I returned it.

 

[digitalrelic]

The Founders Edition 1080 is 25 to 30% faster than the "$650 graphics card that was released a year ago" and in the worst case scenario 3% faster than the $690 - $750 non reference overclocked 980 Ti's that were released in the last 6-9 months.

Uhh.. I got my non reference EVGA 980 Ti w/ ACX 2.0+ cooling for $650 the same day that the reference 980 Ti came out. I have a 24/7 OC on it @1470mhz. 1430mhz is a very average and expected OC on a non reference 980 Ti. Nvidia didn't try to pull the complete bullshit they're pulling with the 1080. There were plenty of non-reference cards at the same $650 price as the reference card on day one.

Considering the FE edition essentially can not overclock, the 3% gains over a 980 Ti @1430mhz is hardly a 'worst case scenario'. It's a very normal scenario. A 'worst case scenario' would be a FE 1080 that can't overclock vs a 980 Ti @1500mhz, in which case I'd imagine the 980 Ti would actually outperform the 1080.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Well...huh, ok. So if I do this, I'm guaranteed to eventually be able to swap it for a 1080, correct? I appreciate all the advice in this thread. I wasn't thrilled looking at a reference 1080, but it seemed like there wasn't a better option for my situation, this sounds like it is though, plus I'd have everything rocking tonight as opposed to a week from now, which has value in itself.

No guarantee they will offer a step up to the 1080, but likely they will, as that's why the program exists. Question is if they will offer the step up within 90 days. Could be longer than that until they add it to the program.

They did offer step up to 980 ti shortly after it released, if that's any indication.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

So their own 1080 presentation is already out of date then? They have back-tracked on the slide seen here at the reveal?

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTQ2MjgwMzAyNkdRYlFCNTFsanRfMV8xX2wuanBn

No, they didn't backtrack. Their messaging was just shit.

They set the MSRP at $599.

They set the release date for May 27.

Nvidia will be releasing a Founder's Edition at $699 on the release date of May 27.

The only card confirmed to be coming from Nvidia will be the Founder's Edition at $699.

They will not be releasing another $599 reference card, but their partners are free to do so! Unfortunately, we still don't have any details about partner cards... At least, I don't think we do.

I'm sorry but your post is pure FUD

Nvidia have managed to create a cooler that fails to cool a 180W gpu with a single 8 pin connector sufficiently, that is mindblowing. (mindblowingly bad)

Aftermarket coolers have MUCH better cooling performance (and at much lower noise)
You can already buy cards from sapphire/msi etc that manage to keep an r9 390 cool and quiet (a card without twice the peak power draw of the gtx 1080). A 180wTDP /225w peak gpu is child's play for msi/asus/evga's custom air coolers.


Seriously your suggestion is so out there it's not even funny

The blower nvidia have put on their 'founders edition' is shit, which makes the price gouging they're doing with it all the more insulting.

I truly hope that's the case, especially considering it's unlikely I'll be able to get an FE at launch even if I wanted to.

I'm not going to jump to conclusions, though. If Nvidia were telling the truth in that they actually want to keep this product available throughout the life of the 1080 series, then they are making a terrible business decision in developing a sub-par card that will sell at a premium to better cards. They'll only be able to take advantage of the earliest of adopters, but they would have been able to do that anyway.

 

[Mad Max]

Well they managed to make a 180W gpu throttle, that's quite the achievement
Last time we had a gpu throttle it was the r9 290x with its reference cooler, but that card has a power consumption of over 300w (and peak power consumption of almost 400)

Nvidia's own reference gtx 980ti doesn't throttle despite having much higher power consumption and you can oc it about as high as the aftermarket versions to boot.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_980_ti_review,36.html

Seriously it's some embarrassing stuff when you put it in context

It's like they went out of their way to make the cooler shit, at the same time as they decide to scam people with the ' premium ' marketing

It's probably not that simple. I'm sure this cooler design is at least as capable as the 980ti/titan x reference cooler, which is more than adequate for those cards at stock clocks, even though the heat output is much higher. I suspect the problem is related to: the fact that the gp104 die size is almost half that of the GM200 which would make it more difficult to cool compared to a larger chip; and possibly to the geometry of the new finFET transistors which can make heat more difficult to dissipate heat internally, thus requiring a lower gpu temperature threshold. The throttling could be fixed with new drivers by introducing a more aggressive fan curve, but this will make the cooler much louder obviously.

That being said I'd recommend everyone to just wait for non-reference cards if possible, they'll likely have better coolers at a lower price.

 

[x3sphere]

I'm not going to jump to conclusions, though. If Nvidia were telling the truth in that they actually want to keep this product available throughout the life of the 1080 series, then they are making a terrible business decision in developing a sub-par card that will sell at a premium to better cards. They'll only be able to take advantage of the earliest of adopters, but they would have been able to do that anyway.

It may not end up selling at a premium to better cards. I'm actually expecting the cards with better OC ability, more power phases, etc to cost around $750.

If the FE sells well, there is no reason why AIBs will price their better cards under it. If I'm wrong here I'll be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

It may not end up selling at a premium to better cards. I'm actually expecting the cards with better OC ability, more power phases, etc to cost around $750.

If the FE sells well, there is no reason why AIBs will price their better cards under it. If I'm wrong here I'll be pleasantly surprised.

That's exactly what I was fearing and trying to suggest as a possibility (since we have no information to the contrary) when I got into that back and forth with holygeesus.

I don't think Nvidia is dumb. I think they fully believe that they are offering a competitive product with the FE and if they are, that means the cheaper cards (at MSRP) may not perform as well, or the cards that do perform better will cost at least the same amount, but probably more.

Time will certainly tell, but I'm not sure it's safe to say that this is simply a price gouging tactic from Nvidia. Instead, this may actually be the performance we should expect from the 1080 at $699.

 

[ZOONAMI]

That's exactly what I was fearing and trying to suggest as a possibility (since we have no information to the contrary) when I got into that back and forth with holygeesus.

I don't think Nvidia is dumb. I think they fully believe that they are offering a competitive product with the FE and if they are, that means the cheaper cards (at MSRP) may not perform as well, or the cards that do perform better will cost at least the same amount, but probably more.

Time will certainly tell, but I'm not sure it's safe to say that this is simply a price gouging tactic from Nvidia. Instead, this may actually be the performance we should expect from the 1080 at $699.

The problem is that nvidia announced a $599 msrp for a product that does not exist, thus, this is price gouging.

 

[SneakyStephan]

It's probably not that simple. I'm sure this cooler design is at least as capable as the 980ti/titan x reference cooler, which is more than adequate for those cards at stock clocks, even though the heat output is much higher. I suspect the problem is related to: the fact that the gp104 die size is almost half that of the GM200 which would make it more difficult to cool compared to a larger chip; and possibly to the geometry of the new finFET transistors which can make heat more difficult to dissipate heat internally, thus requiring a lower gpu temperature threshold. The throttling could be fixed with new drivers by introducing a more aggressive fan curve, but this will make the cooler much louder obviously.

That being said I'd recommend everyone to just wait for non-reference cards if possible, they'll likely have better coolers at a lower price.

The temp tresholds are the same, 85C

The card also consumes SIGNIFICANTLY much less power than the 980ti (180W vs 250W)

And lastly the 390x already shows that cooling a smaller die (430mm²) with higher power draw than the 980ti is not an issue

fake edit: oh and we have that AIO watercooler from the 980ti bolted onto the 1080 to prove that die size or 'finfet design' is not an issue, as with that cooler the card runs at 40C instead of 85...

fake edit 2 : AND they already put an arctic accelero aircooler on a 1080too and again it behaved EXACTLY like you would expect it to (54C at 35% fanspeed).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlSeHCPd75s

Seriously there is no point trying to think of increasingly out there reasons for why the reference card throttles.

The reference blower is garbage, it's that simple.
Already tested aftermarket coolers behave exactly like they're expected to, there is no troll dust here.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

The problem is that nvidia announced a $599 msrp for a product that does not exist, thus, this is price gouging.

It definitely looks really shitty.

Instead of releasing a design at the MSRP, they decided to set an MSRP of $599 and instead release only a more expensive design. Seems shitty, but we won't know for sure until we see how the eventual $599 versions perform compared to the FE and others at the same price point.

Seriously there is no point trying to think of increasingly out there reasons for why the reference card throttles.

"Drivers" is an "out there reason?"

 

[Oxn]

That's exactly what I was fearing and trying to suggest as a possibility (since we have no information to the contrary) when I got into that back and forth with holygeesus.

I don't think Nvidia is dumb. I think they fully believe that they are offering a competitive product with the FE and if they are, that means the cheaper cards (at MSRP) may not perform as well, or the cards that do perform better will cost at least the same amount, but probably more.

Time will certainly tell, but I'm not sure it's safe to say that this is simply a price gouging tactic from Nvidia. Instead, this may actually be the performance we should expect from the 1080 at $699.

For all intents and purpose, the 1080 is a $700 dollar card, period.

All they are doing is selling the card at 700 now, and then dropping the price in a month or 2, and calling that the "real" price.

Their marketing is kind of genius because they are leading people to believe the price drop later is the actual price when its not.

Much like how the ipads come out and then in 2 months they drop the price by 100. only difference is they they dont tell you ahead of time.

Nvidia is more cunning then apple in this field.

 

[Sky Chief]

Wow, the 1080 is even faster than I thought.

So the 1080 at stock speeds is faster than a severely overclocked 980ti that would need to be water cooled & only 10% slower in the worst case scenario than a more expensive, insanely overclocked Titan X which requires a 3rd party cooler and a bios mod to even function.(http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-coupled-arctic-accelero-xtreme-iv-bios-mod-pushes-1550-mhz-air-cooling/)

And this doesn't even factor in that you need to win the silicon lottery to achieve those overclocks on the 980ti & Titan X in the first place.

1430 isn't that big of an overclock for a 980Ti and the 980Ti is $50 less and has been available for almost a year. The Founders Edition is a total ripoff.

 

[Oxn]

1430 isn't that big of an overclock for a 980Ti and the 980Ti is $50 less and has been available for almost a year. The Founders Edition is a total ripoff.

Regardless of if its a rip off or not, and it is. People will still buy whether its 1% or 20% gain.

 

[SneakyStephan]

It definitely looks really shitty.

Instead of releasing a design at the MSRP, they decided to set an MSRP of $599 and instead release only a more expensive design. Seems shitty, but we won't know for sure until we see how the eventual $599 versions perform compared to the FE and others at the same price point.



"Drivers" is an "out there reason?"

Reviewers (at least ones with a brain, in the reviews I've seen) use custom profiles, obviously

it's still running at 85C at 60 percent fanspeed

60 percent fanspeed on a blower card is leaf blower noise

Seriously, the cooler sucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlSeHCPd75s

Look at this video I linked before.

An actual good air cooler: 54C at 35 percent fanspeed

The cooler sucks Idk in how many more ways you want me to prove it.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Reviewers (at least ones with a brain, in the reviews I've seen) use custom profiles, obviously

it's still running at 85C at 60 percent fanspeed

60 percent fanspeed on a blower card is leaf blower noise

Seriously, the cooler sucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlSeHCPd75s

Look at this video I linked before.

An actual good air cooler: 54C at 35 percent fanspeed

The cooler sucks Idk in how many more ways you want me to prove it.

Whether the cooler has been shown to suck or not in pre-launch testing is not what I'm asking.

What I'm worried about is whether or not we will actually see a much better solution for cheaper or even the same price.

I only doubt this because I do not think Nvidia is stupid. Their whole marketing decision to change the name was, ostensibly, because they want keep this card on the market well beyond the initial launch. If they really did just fuck up on the cooling solution, then no one will buy their card after partners start introducing customized versions that are better an cheaper and this whole initiative will have been a complete failure.

 

[Sky Chief]

Regardless of if its a rip off or not, and it is. People will still buy whether its 1% or 20% gain.

But if they have their 980Ti up near 1500 there may be no gain at all or they may even be "upgrading" for worse performance

 

[Deleted member 17706]

But if they have their 980Ti up near 1500 there may be no gain at all or they may even be "upgrading" for worse performance

I would hope that most people with 980 Ti cards would not be seriously considering the 1080...

 

[ZOONAMI]

For all intents and purpose, the 1080 is a $700 dollar card, period.

All they are doing is selling the card at 700 now, and then dropping the price in a month or 2, and calling that the "real" price.

Their marketing is kind of genius because they are leading people to believe the price drop later is the actual price when its not.

Much like how the ipads come out and then in 2 months they drop the price by 100. only difference is they they dont tell you ahead of time.

Nvidia is more cunning then apple in this field.

It's ridiculous how many times the same thing can be said, and people keep saying what it's not $599? The $599 version is the one I'm getting. L o fucking l. There is no $599 version that has been announced. It only stands to reason the aftermarket cards with better coolers, pcbs, power delivery, etc, will be $699 or more. You may see plastic blower coolers or very basic 2 fan designs for less than $699, but a whole $100 is doubtful, at least not for a long time after the launch of the reference card, unless nvidia does a price drop to $599 in a month for their reference card.

 

[Onemic]

It's ridiculous how many times the same thing can be said, and people keep saying what it's not $599? The $599 version is the one I'm getting. L o fucking l. There is no $599 version that has been announced. It only stands to reason the aftermarket cards with better coolers, pcbs, power delivery, etc, will be $699 or more. You may see plastic blower coolers or very basic 2 fan designs for less than $699, but a whole $100 is doubtful, at least not for a long time after the launch of the reference card, unless nvidia does a price drop to $599 in a month for their reference card.

This is what Im thinking. I wouldnt be surprised if the vast majority of non-FE cards available are 700 bucks or more.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Whether the cooler has been shown to suck or not in pre-launch testing is not what I'm asking.

What I'm worried about is whether or not we will actually see a much better solution for cheaper or even the same price.

I only doubt this because I do not think Nvidia is stupid. Their whole marketing decision to change the name was, ostensibly, because they want keep this card on the market well beyond the initial launch. If they really did just fuck up on the cooling solution, then no one will buy their card after partners start introducing customized versions that are better an cheaper and this whole initiative will have been a complete failure.

They will drop the price on it (or as you said, not sell any anymore)

They can't go out and say that it's an early adopter's tax (which it IS) because then people would just wait.

They're just squirming to try to PR bullshit around the early adopter's tax and they've thrown everything but the kitchen sink at it right now.

Just watch that video where the audience members start asking questions about the FE and how they fail to answer them. They just keep saying 'premium materials' while sweating profusely , giving eachother sideways glances and looking really uncomfortable for about 15 minutes, if you can stand watching it for that long.

 

[Sutton Dagger]

This is what Im thinking. I wouldnt be surprised if the vast majority of non-FE cards available are 700 bucks or more.

Yeah I think it's time for people to see the writing on the wall, it's a $700 (plus) card, and at that price is not a particularly good value proposition. I sold my 970 a few days ago, so as you can imagine this realisation is disappointing. All the excitement about the $599 has evaporated, Nvidia is a terrible company when they have the whole pie to themselves.

I don't know what I expect out of the 1070 now?

 

[Oxn]

Yeah I think it's time for people to see the writing on the wall, it's a $700 (plus) card, and at that price is not a particularly good value proposition. I sold my 970 a few days ago, so as you can imagine this realisation is disappointing. All the excitement about the $599 has evaporated, Nvidia is a terrible company when they have the whole pie to themselves.

I don't know what I expect out of the 1070 now?

1070 is liekly gonna be between a 980 and 980 ti.

 

[Skux]

I can't wait to buy my Gigabyte G1 Gamer equivalent of the 1080 and then play another couple hundred hours of The Binding of Isaac and Spelunky on it.

This is the thing keeping me in reality. As much as I'd love a 1080, my usual gaming sessions consist of League of Legends, Hearthstone, and Rocket League.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

They will drop the price on it (or as you said, not sell any anymore)

They can't go out and say that it's an early adopter's tax (which it IS) because then people would just wait.

They're just squirming to try to PR bullshit around the early adopter's tax and they've thrown everything but the kitchen sink at it right now.

Just watch that video where the audience members start asking questions about the FE and how they fail to answer them. They just keep saying 'premium materials' while sweating profusely , giving eachother sideways glances and looking really uncomfortable for about 15 minutes, if you can stand watching it for that long.

I just have a hard time imagining that this is really a price gouging tactic that will fall apart as soon as a partner releases a better card for cheaper.

How much does Nvidia even stand to gain in such a scenario? I don't know what sales numbers are like for premium video cards, but even at a $100 per unit, they can't stand to make *that* much money from such a blatant tactic.

 

[FF Seraphim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myDYnofz_JE

Analysis by AdoredTV:

• 3% faster than GTX 980ti at 1430mhz
• 10% slower than Titan X at 1500 Mhz
• Much better than Fury X overclocked @ 1150 or so
• Founder's Edition throttles and wasn't benched in cases, rather open bench = different thermal environment
• Usual clock at stock power and temp target after 20 minutes of gaming is only the base clock...

Da fuck...
God dammit I either have wait to buy a 3rd party 1080 or buy it now because I am leaving the country and I dread how much a 1080 would cost in Australia...

 

[e90Mark]

If there is lining up involved they definitely makes it a lot easier to wait lol

Yeah, agreed. I guess we will see next Friday. My MC is only like 15 minutes away, so I'll take the chance and check it out.

 

[Sutton Dagger]

I just have a hard time imagining that this is really a price gouging tactic that will fall apart as soon as a partner releases a better card for cheaper.

How much does Nvidia even stand to gain in such a scenario? I don't know what sales numbers are like for premium video cards, but even at a $100 per unit, they can't stand to make *that* much money from such a blatant tactic.

I'm not sure what you mean, the $699 cards sold out in minutes on Amazon so far, their tactic worked, people are buying them. Why would partners then release cards for $599?

 

[Vuze]

I'm not sure what you mean, the $699 cards sold out in minutes on Amazon so far, their tactic worked, people are buying them. Why would partners then release cards for $599?

Well, to sell more. But I'm not holding my breath for this to happen either.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I'm not sure what you mean, the $699 cards sold out in minutes on Amazon so far, their tactic worked, people are buying them. Why would partners then release cards for $599?

Exactly my point!

However, if it's possible to release a card that performs just as well or better for a lower price and still make a big profit, then I'm sure the first person who achieves that will happily mass produce them to take advantage of the situation. I'm just skeptical that will happen, which is why I responded in the first place to all of the commentary from folks flabbergasted that anyone would even consider purchasing the Founder's Edition card.

 

[Sutton Dagger]

Exactly my point!

However, if it's possible to release a card that performs just as well or better for a lower price and still make a big profit, then I'm sure the first person who achieves that will happily mass produce them to take advantage of the situation. I'm just skeptical that will happen.

I think the price gouging talk is more related to the ridiculous increase in price for the x80 line of cards, how much were the 680 and 980?