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Clinton to clinch Democratic nomination when polls close in New Jersey
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Yeah, and only a privileged white guy like Sanders could think such a strategy is viable or wanted.
Unknown Soldier
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I don't think you understand that in a democracy, the people can vote for who they want. You can't demand or force people to vote for who you want to vote for.
Resistance is not futile and I will not be assimilated.
Frozenprince
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Enjoy pissing away your vote and making it easier for a party full of xenophobic whackjobs who will tank the global economy run the place.
At least vote democratic down ticket if you insist on it.
metalslimer
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You can vote however you like, but voting for a 3rd party candidate for president is completely meaningless without a constitutional amendment to change the electoral process.
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It is, I really hope it doesn't happen. But sometimes things just write themselves too easily not to happen. I can see the countless articles about how the Democrats had the red carpet rolled out ahead of them, the Republicans were in shambles, Obama was popular, and yet they catastrophically ended up losing to Donald Trump and ended up with a highly divided party that would remain so for years to come.
diablos991
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Going to be exciting to see how many Dems turn independent.
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metalslimer
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ABout as many republicans turned independent after Trump won considering democrats like Hilary far more than republicans like or even tolerate Trump.
Can not be said enough.
Wants to lead the party, but don't want to fuck with the base.
Who thought that was a good idea?
Frozenprince
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He's reverse Mitt Romney.
Unknown Soldier
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You mean like exactly what happened to Al Gore?
The Democrats are the masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory after all.
eBay Huckster
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the democrats seem to do just fine with the jaws of victory, it's the left that always finds a way to fuck its own goals over
lol, that's precious.
This is tantamount to the spoiled child abandoning the game and complaining that the team couldn't win.
"But they weren't passing the ball enough to me, ma!"
Frozenprince
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Maybe if these disenfranchised people bitching incessantly about Bernie got off their asses and voted in 2014 or now down ticket?
Nah. Too hard. Easier to bitch on the internet.
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That's true, world-wide sadly.
I'll be damned if I have to put up with a goddamn Trump administration. Good for the people who want to watch it all burn down but I am not having eight years of progress flushed down the toilet. I find it difficult to believe that somebody who is truly liberal would vote for Trump over Clinton just because their candidate lost.
Whatever though, those people are the minority and progress will trample all over them. I am confident that the majority of us will rally and push the GOP out of the window this fall.
At least I hope so or us minorities are in for a world of hurt. :/
Whatever though, those people are the minority and progress will trample all over them. I am confident that the majority of us will rally and push the GOP out of the window this fall.
At least I hope so or us minorities are in for a world of hurt. :/
What third party candidate will you vote for, if you don't mind me asking?
You have the Green Party with Jill Stein, a bunch of anti-science nut jobs.
Then you've got Gary Johnson, who would probably be opposed to the federal government spending money on his own inauguration
Clifton Roberts who wants to ban eating meat.
Zoltan Istvan, who wants to push as much funding as possible into human bio-augmentation because cyborgs Y'ALL!
John McAfee, big on tech privacy, insane, probably killed someone not that long ago.
So which of these nutters are you convinced is a better candidate to run the most powerful nation in the world than Hillary Clinton?
SolicitorPirate
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Am a progressive who's lived in multiple parts of the world. Can confirm.
hydragonwarrior
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Assimilate? What the bloody hell?
Casting a vote to protect your current progress is NOT a Borg type, "YOU MUST THINK LIKE US" form of giving up.
You guys have seen what a Bush Jr presidency brings, which is in effect what happens when even a moderate Republican is in power, who in turn is being controlled by those who are far less moderate.
You guys have seen how much bullshit a Republican house and senate can cause, with the only real wall utlimately being Obama himself and barring that, the Supreme Court of the United States.
As a liberal, being right or left leaning, you're vote is to protect progress. If you are left with voting for a little progress or absolute regression OR do nothing, what do you think you would tell someone else to do?
Gut feel, maybe, but if you're liberal minded, you'll do whatever is in your power to vote for progress.
Casting a vote to protect your current progress is NOT a Borg type, "YOU MUST THINK LIKE US" form of giving up.
You guys have seen what a Bush Jr presidency brings, which is in effect what happens when even a moderate Republican is in power, who in turn is being controlled by those who are far less moderate.
You guys have seen how much bullshit a Republican house and senate can cause, with the only real wall utlimately being Obama himself and barring that, the Supreme Court of the United States.
As a liberal, being right or left leaning, you're vote is to protect progress. If you are left with voting for a little progress or absolute regression OR do nothing, what do you think you would tell someone else to do?
Gut feel, maybe, but if you're liberal minded, you'll do whatever is in your power to vote for progress.
The whole "Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line" statement, but it is more accurate as progressives fall in love, conservatives fall in line.
Which makes total sense. Everyone has different opinions on what progress we need, what progress to prioritize, the timetable we should expect that progress on, etc. etc..
Conservatives just want to hold everything back. Whoever is the biggest hardliner on their key issue wins their heart, but once someone wins all that matters is who will do the most to stop progress.
That's the real problem here. Marginal differences in policy between Clinton and Sanders has people acting like there is a massive divide between the two while massive ideological differences on what minority/social safety net/government agency to destroy first among conservatives still sees rapid coalescence because of this difference.
SolicitorPirate
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I'd be ok with this
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Their poor arms are going to get so tired.
Heavy_D206
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I get that Trump is bad but congress still calls all the shots and I doubt many people in congress actually like him. His entire campaign is run on trashing them and their careers.
I don't particularly want to see him win, but I don't think him being elected equals the end of the world.
I don't particularly want to see him win, but I don't think him being elected equals the end of the world.
DrForester
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He's insanely popular among the republican voters. Congressmen will more or less fall in line with his policies since they prefer to be reelected.
Isn't that the guy who wanted to go around the country for his campaign in a bus that looked like a coffin?
That's a winner right there.
Conservatives only do that "we'll throw away our vote on a third party candidate out of spite" thing when an outright Klansman is running on a third party ticket (Thurmond or Wallace).
DrForester
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Best chance in decades of flipping control of the Supreme Court. Whatever policies the GOP congress might not support, they will rubber stamp pretty much any SCOTUS pick of his, and his list is mostly Heritage Foundation right wingers.
1) The Supreme Court
2) Trump might not champion some of the crazier things he's advocated when actually in office, but he also won't stop Republican-controlled Congress from running wild with his veto power.
hydragonwarrior
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Exactly. Tea partiers became relevant because of how they influenced their politicians to becoming more conservative, or ousting moderates for the rabid or insane candidates. Best example is Ted Cruz.
Agent_Carnage
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It will stay a democracy if you vote Clinton. We dont want Trump in the White House. Do you not know what he will do?
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Yeah, he'll just sign all the batshit laws Republicans float his way and elect a bunch of Scalias to the Supreme Court. No harm at all!
She'll win even without California.
missing the forest for the trees, bern
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Pass the ball to
Spiral Insanity
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Oops.
Ether_Snake
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Executive action errday.
People seriously seem to forget how much damage a conservative legislative, executive, and judicial branch can do. I was talking to a woman just today who believes that both parties are the same. I pointed out to her that the Republican party just succeeded in gutting the Voter's Rights Act of 1965, and is actively trying to trample the minority vote.
That shut her ass up.
That shut her ass up.
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His first executive action will be to change the term executive action to luxurious action.
Dubbedinenglish
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He would be commander in chief of the military. Would probably move a carrier group to Russia's coast over Twitter beef.
He would appoint the same kind of racists and nutters in his campaign to his administration.
Trump would be a legitimate threat to the world if he is president.
Days like these...
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I'm a minority and I'd be ok with that strategy. I'm sick of the fear mongering and the lesser of 2 evils mindset. If the country goes to shit (shitter?) then it goes to shit.
Big Baybee
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Nah, fuck that.
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Oh yeah I bet someone thought the same when Hitler came to power.
Aye, this.
BlastProcessing
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Fucking found it, holy shit.
For a second I thought that said Immorality Bus and I got really excited.
This is a terrible political strategy. This notion of deliberately hoping for the worsening of a country's social and legislative condition because it didn't progress quick enough is not something that needs to be encouraged.
I don't rag on Bernie supporters much on here, but these guys have the worst patience of any political "movement" I've ever seen. Women rights, civil rights, gay rights, all of these movements took decades. They lose a single primary and want to literally salt the earth.
There's no way Bernie will run third party, but anyone hoping he does in hope of solidifying a Trump victory is extremely misguided.
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