Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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Elwood Blues
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Well, it worked so well the first time.
I don't particularly like these iterative designs.
Also a 4-5x leap in performance 4 years later is hardly impressive, only if compared to the rumours of Neo's relative leap being pathetic.
MS and Sony suck if you want powerful consoles. This thing better launch $400 or less and even then, ehhhhh.
Also a 4-5x leap in performance 4 years later is hardly impressive, only if compared to the rumours of Neo's relative leap being pathetic.
MS and Sony suck if you want powerful consoles. This thing better launch $400 or less and even then, ehhhhh.
Star Citizen on at least one of the new consoles, come to me!
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Plz, Chris ?
In 2020 we will have PS5 and Xbox3 though...just sayin...
Devs would be better off simply continuing with the baseline they have right now, or simply choose on a case basis what kind of standards they want to push with their game.. With this strategy there is no real way to take full advantage of the platforms coming with increasing frequency anyway in any uniform manner
I feel like that was Natya's touch in trying to save a sinking ship for launch.
I am impressed with Azure and MS dedication to cloud all things considered.
I just realized there's going to be a new tier of fanboy that the console generation has never experienced before: Hardware Elitism within the same brand.
You thought Sony vs. Microsoft was annoying? Wait until it's Sony vs. Sony vs Microsoft vs Microsoft.
Enjooooooooooooooooooy.
You gotta throw PC into that mess too. Once we get consoles that can run games at high settings all gloves are off.
Bethesda is making mods on consoles mainstream, so imagine how much of a mess Elder Scrolls VI is going to be on Neo/Scorpio.
And many more games for your consoles are coming. What's dumb, exactly?
Where did you see that?
From Arthur
He tweeted it. Also said he heard from 1 source and that is why he didn't put it in the article.
qa_engineer
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On consoles, in a way, yes. But FLOPS be it gigaflops, teraflops, or petaflops has always been the measuring stick to which theoretical computational performance of a GPU, CPU, or in this case an entire system, is measured. This is at least true in modern day computing.
why?
LordBaztion
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that would be a pretty well lesson learned from 2013.
That may be the target but the realities of cost, power and heat may alter that target.
Current GPUs that are in the 6tf range are $500-600 and much larger power requirements than any console.
But most people don't even have 4k sets. That is like catering to the niche crowd right now.
Anyway, a few months ago I thought something like this might be a good idea. But the more I thought about it, the more that I realized that I just prefer a normal console cycle with the focus being on software after I had already bought the hardware.
I know I am still getting the same games and all that jazz, but I can already see how the systems that I already bought not even two years ago will get left in the dust after a year or so. They are already going to be old news and that is not what I want for the money I dropped on these systems.
Kibbles
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The way every single major gaming outlet blew the lid on this story today, definitely is controlled.
I think this will be the case as well. Only first party games will fully utilize hardware while third parties focus on the lowest common denominator and work up a bit for higher settings.
I fully expect the majority of games to be targeting normal PS4 and XBO as the baseline for probably the next 2ish years.
If these rumors are true, Microsoft is the one totally unprepared again.
They would be giving Sony a blank check for full market domination until late 2017.
If they announce this ''soon'' as the rumor suggests they're going to kill the Xbox One for good, including the Slim SKU they're working on (indeed I don't think they're so dumb and they won't talk about anything more than the Xbox Slim in the short term).
Then they come up with what?
A box that while more powerful (coming out a year later, far from a shock), will definetly cost much more, won't have big exclusives because even Microsoft will be publishing all their games on PC as well going forward and at the same time third parties will simply publish the same games on multiple platforms with different graphical settings.
There's a dissonance between wanting to start a new gen earlier but then realizing that the iterative business model won't allow for a clean start again anymore.
There is no one willing to support a single box anymore, not even the platform holder in Microsoft's case
There are ecosystems, people who have invested money in them and become more and more tied to them.
And then there are boxes whose power will be irrelevant in long run, because you know that something better is always behind the corner, if you take the hardware crown it's only going to last until the other company comes out with their next refresh when they see fit.
These are also some of the reasons why personally I'm not a fan of this new business model that is upon us, consoles are bound to lose a good chunk of their identity and appeal to become access boxes to ecosystems.
every single major gaming outlet?
-hadouken
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Ah, what an enlightening post. With Phil's twitter adding fuel to the fire, it's pretty clear they're keen to get Scorpio rumours doing the rounds.
Pathfinder
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Sony already has full market domination. Microsoft releasing a stronger console this year wouldn't move the needle much.
It would be in their best interest right now to wait it out and release a better console than Neo next year.
IcyRhythms
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Open world games will still suffer because those CPU's still suck. The more linear stuff will get a big boost.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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the 1070 has 6.5 tflops and MRSP is $379.
Suppose to be way more power efficient too right?
Lets not forget, it needs to work the other way around to. The new games need to work both on the 'ESRAM-less' console as the XboxOne.
Speaking of that, the One has 1,4TF and this 6TF? If you want to play this game on the One you first need to download this 640x480 texturepack so we hit 30fps?
qa_engineer
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Where are all the "I'm done with console gaming" and the assortment of other concern posts now that microsoft is pretty much confirmed to have an iterative console in the works?
rokkerkory
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Listened to the ign vlog:
- credit to kotaku who heard from multiple sources
- 6tf refers to gpu
- big deal with oculus in works
- 2017 for new xbox, slim this year
- 3 year or so h/w iterations
- credit to kotaku who heard from multiple sources
- 6tf refers to gpu
- big deal with oculus in works
- 2017 for new xbox, slim this year
- 3 year or so h/w iterations
You don't think a company like MS would want to control every aspect of the messaging regarding a product line announcement such as this?
been quite a few in the various threads about this today actually
Barakov
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Really don't know how I feel about that.
How would it be in their best interest? They announce their console now and they crater sales of the Xbox 1 until next fall.
Meanwhile Sony gains marketshare and profit when the unified model of PS4 and Neo. While MS banks on people all of sudden switching to their box while Sony firmly has people planted in their ecosystem by the time this releases.
I'll admit MS really has nothing to lose. The PS4 is going to continue to sell well regardless. It just announcing right now tanks their current sales and PS4 is in an even more dominant position next fall.
I've seen a few through the three threads there is.
They refered to the Kotaku and Polygon articles or did they have their own sources?
you don't think a company like MS intentionally leaks things to get a feel for what the reception would be before actually announcing something?
3 years or so? Well, this is going to be 4 years, which is still too early, but better than every 2-3. In 2018, I might start thinking about it if I don't build a PC first. Or just bow out altogether.
There are still some in here.
I think that sentiment was alive and well in March when Phil first mentioned they would go down this route. Then with the Neo rumor/leak shortly after, where it got A LOT more discussion, a lot more people have gone from denial and anger to leaning towards acceptance.
gundamkyoukai
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Schreier said he hear 5 to 6 from one source.
So has something change in last few hours .
Glorified G
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Pathfinder
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Because further E3 rumors point to Microsoft caring more about Xbox as a platform than they do about the sales performance of a single console, as they're going to introduce more Xbox-like products to strengthen their ecosystem.