EatinOlives
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This.
Not to jump to Bernie's defense, but I'd like to see more evidence because this very well may be just an instance where lawyer's gonna lawyer.
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Lawyers Accuse Sanders of Illegal, Unethical Influence on Wife's Disastrous Loan
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This.
Not to jump to Bernie's defense, but I'd like to see more evidence because this very well may be just an instance where lawyer's gonna lawyer.
chinaismine
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Or, you know, any evidence.
Wowfunhappy
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NeuAscension
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I mean really, it's just a lawyer that wrote a letter asking for information. That's it.
PhoncipleBone
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That is where I am on this as well. I am a sick person and wanting to see people's hearts be broken and let them get a sense of reality if this is actually true.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Karsticles
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I'm cool with that. I'm not the biggest fan of Barrack Obama, but at least he's a decent human being.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Considering a month ago I had a friend look me in the eye and tell me why Bernie was actually ahead in delegates, I would say yes. Bernie getting wrapped up in a corruption scandal would really disillusion a lot of people.
8 more years
Gamer @ Heart
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I just marathoned VEEP this week.
This reads like a storyline in that.
This reads like a storyline in that.
GregLombardi
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he would die in office...no person has been tested in the modern age at more than 8 years as president
Intheflorsh
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Don't forget that Trump's a rapist.
Frozenprince
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Oh god this is gonna get really ugly isn't it?
Just one more term Obama just one. Let me just get one more so we can save the SC and then someone else can take over.
Just one more term Obama just one. Let me just get one more so we can save the SC and then someone else can take over.
That's not a good look. Seems like this firm has a long history of partisan shit-flinging.
To quote another MediaMatters story that collects some of diGenova & Toensing's history:
Bernie's wife bankrupting a college due to a fraudulently-obtained loan is a big mess no matter what, but alleging that Bernie Sanders was directly involved is quite a leap to take. This seems like a fishing expedition made to look like more than it is.
Then again, if there's something in the tax returns about this...
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I doubt that Bernie himself ever actually said "hey, yo, approve this", but I wouldn't be surprised if his status as senator "informally" influenced its approval
I actually want Obama gone as fast as possible now (even though I like him more than Clinton) because he's going to shove down TPP down our throats before he leaves. I would take Clinton over him at this moment because she has at least shown some resistance to it.
As for this:
A lawyer wrote Sanders a letter.
and....
............ok?
Spoiled Milk
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Just one more Obama term? You know, I heard there's a candidate that "represents nothing more than the status quo".
Nah, she'll approve it. Don't worry about that.
Frozenprince
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He'll nominate the most progressive SC justices over Hillary.
That's really all it comes down to for me.
Spoiled Milk
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No he won't. Hillary is more liberal than she is. Lol.
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...-more-liberal-than-obama-as-senator/?page=all
metalslimer
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I think we should wait for a little more evidence on this one.
Rabbi_Vole
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This is unfortunate
Frozenprince
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Yes, and she'll nominate less progressive SC justices to parlay favors in the house and senate because they aren't going to turn. And she needs the leverage to get some shit done.
A third term Obama would give 0 fucks.
Intheflorsh
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According to some conservative research panel. Is there a better source for this claim? Genuinely curious.
Dubbedinenglish
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When it rains...it acid rains and destroys your entire ecosystem.
The big kicker? She's been criticized for flip-flopping since her time in the Senate (where she was 11th most liberal), and her flip-floppy movement has been even further leftward.
For those wondering, here's another measurement of voting record: Hillary Clinton Was the 11th Most Liberal Member of the Senate
If Bill Clinton - considered by many to be emblematic of what's wrong with the "moderate" Democratic Party - can nominate the former General Consel of the ACLU in the considerably more conservative environment of 1993, then any mainstream Democrat is going to have no problem nominating solid progressives here in 2016/beyond.
Do you have inside info, or are you speculating? I'd like a citation.
VendettaRed07
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insinuation without proper evidence is something I don't want to do to Sanders.
Despite his tendency to do it to others, it's not something I think we should engage in. Nothing to see here until there's anything concrete.
I do however, still want full tax returns from Bernie for at least 10-15 years.
Despite his tendency to do it to others, it's not something I think we should engage in. Nothing to see here until there's anything concrete.
I do however, still want full tax returns from Bernie for at least 10-15 years.
Let us ask Hillary's people.
A Link to the Past
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So to guess, the response from Bernie supporters will be to accuse people of manufacturing controversies to hurt Bernie's credibility (the equivalent of emptying buckshot into a mounted buck) as opposed to the possibility that Bernie may just be a part of the establishment and used the power granted by his involvement in it to benefit.
(Not claiming that this is necessarily true, just that it will be dismissed outright by the hardcore supporters by the merit of being harmful to Bernie's run)
(Not claiming that this is necessarily true, just that it will be dismissed outright by the hardcore supporters by the merit of being harmful to Bernie's run)
Spoiled Milk
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That's not my name.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It could be.
Not fixing it now, hehe.
The lack of him releasing his tax returns is some evidence, but it's not enough on it's own. It's basically just circumstantial.
titiklabingapat
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Seems like there is a drip drip of negative Bernie Sanders stories the past couple of days. It might be the Establishment finally flexing its muscles as payback for his hubris.
Seriously though, this should serve as a warning to the hardcore Bernie Sanders supporters that are still left clinging to the idea that Bernie is the better nominee compared to Hillary: this is just a taste of the negative attacks and character assassinations dear Bernie here will encounter in the general election from the Republicans. And this is just small peanuts compared to what the GOP will run against him. He will absolutely get crucified in the general election, especially from Trump. Guaranteed.
Thankfully, we have Hillary as the nominee who is more seasoned to handle all this.
Seriously though, this should serve as a warning to the hardcore Bernie Sanders supporters that are still left clinging to the idea that Bernie is the better nominee compared to Hillary: this is just a taste of the negative attacks and character assassinations dear Bernie here will encounter in the general election from the Republicans. And this is just small peanuts compared to what the GOP will run against him. He will absolutely get crucified in the general election, especially from Trump. Guaranteed.
Thankfully, we have Hillary as the nominee who is more seasoned to handle all this.
Frozenprince
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General speculation based on her actions as a senator, SoS and past presidents.
I mean it's not a bad thing, I'm just saying I'd prefer them to be as left as possible and I think a president who doesn't need to worry about currying immediate favor will do so.
Knuckle Sandwich
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Here's hoping.
Hillary worked on negotiating the TPP. I'm pretty sure the only reason she came out against it was that she was confident Obama would be able to pass it before she got into office.
googleplex
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This is what happens when the Clintons stop tolerating and humoring your bullshit.
Orbis Tabula
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Gonna have to keep reading it, but...remember when people said "Sanders high favorables aren't worth risking the election on, he hasn't really been vetted yet"? This is what they meant.
We already know this isn't true because he already nominated a SCOTUS justice and he wasn't a staunch liberal.
Intheflorsh
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This letter is from conservative lawyers that previously criticized Hillary.
BlastProcessing
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A visual representation of the end of the Sanders campaign:
I knew about how Jane Sanders made a bad land decision and drove a school out of business. I did not know the details about the loan she took out. Yeesh.
I knew about how Jane Sanders made a bad land decision and drove a school out of business. I did not know the details about the loan she took out. Yeesh.
Indeed. He's gone relatively untouched and unvetted. If he were ever seen as worthy of Republicans digging into, they'd have so much material to work with.
Intheflorsh
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Honestly, it's weird that these lawyers are going after Sanders at all. Hurting him is only going to help Hillary (aka the actual nominee).
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