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[SPOILER THREAD] X-Men: Apocalypse

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liked it. not amazing but as a fan very solid. comes in third behind X2 and First Class for me. Somewhere around the original 2000 movie. RT score is about fair. If you're a huge X-Men nerd you'll probably find way more to like than dislike. If you're not a huge x-nerd, it's probably an ok summer popcorn flick at best. Total mid-tier flick in the MCU.. still, the phoenix part was fun, third act was hectic but visually a good time.. Quicksilver was great and the series regulars were outstanding.

probably like 7/10 overall
 
Quicksilver scene...isn't that a feat flash accomplished and was considered extraordinary? Quicksilver isn't as fast. Great scene, but I immediately thought of that.

I do have to admit I like how they show that everything around quicksilver is always slow/he's always going fast.
Actually quickSilver if he really needs to can "move faster than a radio wave" which translates to traveling at the speed of light so he is actually faster then SOL
 
Yeah, that death was really weird. There's no drama, no real plot reason, no threat, it just kinda happens, and only Scott cares in the end. I'm not even sure what kind of explosive he hit with his beams to make the whole school explode.
Didn't he hit the aircraft Hank was building?
 
Havok's out, should they choose to take it: They'll invoke the rule that his own powers can't harm him, and that the explosion contained just enough of his own energy that he survived the explosion, but with bad burns. He'll pop up in a sequel with his face all fucked up wearing a black costume to reflect his inner pain.

But not his hat.
 
did anyone else chuckle at Apocalypse designing their costumes in the background while Erik was talking to Xavier?

Yeah a little bit.

Though it is really dumb that he made a coordinated and cohesive look between Angel/Storm/Magneto and then Psylocke had her classic comic spandex getup.
 
That tease of Erik helping build the school hurt. Don't do that to me. All I've ever wanted was him to join the faculty. I was probably the only person who kept waiting for him to show up in a classroom teaching at the end of DOFP.

I didn't expect them to do that part of Erik's origin story so late. Can the universe just stop taking a giant shit on him please?

I'm also glad we seem to be over the whole "If we have no metal you can't do anything!" thing. Too bad Apocalypse didn't tell him about something called the electro-magnetic spectrum.
 
Yeah a little bit.

Though it is really dumb that he made a coordinated and cohesive look between Angel/Storm/Magneto and then Psylocke had her classic comic spandex getup.

Lol I hadn't really thought about that, and while it is a good point (imo) at the time I was just too surprised/impressed they did her classic costume design to take much notice.
 
Havok's out, should they choose to take it: They'll invoke the rule that his own powers can't harm him, and that the explosion contained just enough of his own energy that he survived the explosion, but with bad burns. He'll pop up in a sequel with his face all fucked up wearing a black costume to reflect his inner pain.

But not his hat.

Costume authenticity is the least of the films concerns. I'm happy for them to roll around in black leather the entire series as long as the movies are good.


That tease of Erik helping build the school hurt. Don't do that to me. All I've ever wanted was him to join the faculty. I was probably the only person who kept waiting for him to show up in a classroom teaching at the end of DOFP.

I didn't expect them to do that part of Erik's origin story so late. Can the universe just stop taking a giant shit on him please?

I'm also glad we seem to be over the whole "If we have no metal you can't do anything!" thing. Too bad Apocalypse didn't tell him about something called the electro-magnetic spectrum.

Someone should tell other people that there are metals which aren't magnetic under normal conditions. You don't have to go full plastic, just steer clear of ferrous materials. Aluminium and lead should be fine.

Magneto doesn't need to be more OP in the movies anyway, he's already one of the strongest ones :P
 
Costume authenticity is the least of the films concerns.

I was more just making fun of how dumb his hat is.

Havok.jpg


Because it's a pretty dumb hat.

Him wearing black to reflect his inner pain isn't a costume jab, it's a bad screenwriting gag.
 
I also liked how they don't care at all that Magneto probably just killed millions of people and did untold amounts of property damage.

But lol he can help us rebuild the mansion, then he can be on his merry may

nothing could go wrong
 
Costume authenticity is the least of the films concerns. I'm happy for them to roll around in black leather the entire series as long as the movies are good.

Someone should tell other people that there are metals which aren't magnetic under normal conditions. You don't have to go full plastic, just steer clear of ferrous materials. Aluminium and lead should be fine.

Magneto doesn't need to be more OP in the movies anyway, he's already one of the strongest ones :P
What are you saying: Magneto needs to definitely be more OP! This is what I life for. He can control nonferrous materials. And controls the force that holds together atoms.

I also liked how they don't care at all that Magneto probably just killed millions of people and did untold amounts of property damage.

But lol he can help us rebuild the mansion, then he can be on his merry may

nothing could go wrong
I thought that was pretty out of character. But I'm clearly Magneto stan. :(
 
Just realized that if apocalypse used the nukes he would have had the same evil plan as villain in first class, leaving only the strong alive.
 
Interesting to note is that storm really seemed like a novice with her powers in this, or else she would have been as strong as magneto
 
Some thoughts:

I was bothered by a few things in the movie, like when Jean, Scott, and Kurt hopped onto the helicopter. Maybe I missed it, but didn't they end up in the same compartment as the Xavier, Mystique, and Quicksilver? With the power dampener wouldn't they have been captured too? And if Jean was able to use her powers as soon as they got off...wouldn't they have been able to just make their rescue right then and there?

You could tell Oscar Isaac was doing his best with the terrible material he was given. That line when he's touching the TV and "learning" killed me lol. It's a damn shame he wasn't really able to flex his acting muscles. Fassbender doing quality work as always though. McAvoy was pretty good too. Everyone else clearly phoned it in.

Why couldn't Angel just fly out of the crashing plane? It seemed like he had the time. The Four Horseman in general (besides Magneto) were kind of lame. I do hope Psylocke can join X-Force though!

Havok's death was dumb...

I liked the Wolverine cameo. It really sold him as this terrifying deadly weapon, even if the subplot that forced him into the movie was kind of blah

It sounds like a lot of negatives but I did enjoy the movie.
 
Macavoy proves once again that he's a talented actor who deserves more work.

Quicksilver's scenes brought a nice bit of levity.

That's about all I've got for positives. I thought the film was very weak.
 
I'm really surprised by how much I liked Apocalypse compared to how little interest I had going in. The trailers did next to nothing as far as hype for me, I didn't like certain casting choices, certain design choices (Apoc. make-up), etc. I think that speaks to just how much I enjoy X-men as a property tho, and how much fun it was to see Singer do what he could to muster his best MCU impression.

I have such enormous respect for the guy because of what he did for the genre that it's hard for me to really be too hard on him. That being said, despite him clearly going as far as he ever has with giving us an accurate translation in the vein of Marvel with the source material, it still doesn't go far enough. Stuff like seeing the characters look like the characters, as in the last shot of the film, shouldn't feel like a "bonus" anymore these days or make me feel like it's the filmmakers throwing us a bone like "here you guys go... looks cool, right? Your welcome." We're in a golden era of Superhero/Comic movies, and one of the many reasons why I absolutely love the MCU and why it's changed the game is for being confident in the source material. Not only that, but recognizing the inherent strength that can come from doing so as well. It's a small detail for sure when you step back and realize all the moving pieces that go into the creation of a film, but seeing the X-men look like the X-men only to have it be for 20 seconds prior to the credits I feel is symbolic to Singers whole approach and methodology for directing his X-men films. It could've been much cooler if when Cyclops points out the flight suits, Beast would've said something to the effect of "I don't think they're going to cut it. We're gonna need something stronger... some real uniforms. I've been working on something for all of us... just in case..." It would've 1) shown Singer was self aware and had a sense of humor about it and echo the "yellow spandex" line, and 2) been hype as all hell when they show up to battle Apocalypse looking like the real goddamn X-men, as if they jumped off the page. Instead, nope, "we hope you didn't think those trailer/promo shots meant they'd be wearing them for more than the last 20 seconds because here's your favorite, black leather outfit #274B." That, plus the tease of a potential Danger Room action scene had me more excited and psyched to watch than any of the action scenes during the actual movie made me.

Apocalypse isn't a bad movie to me tho. I was expecting to feel similarly but after seeing it I don't understand where the more intensely negative reviews and opinions are coming from, with people putting this on BvS levels. It lands at #3 for me between X2/DoFP (1 and 2 respectively) and I guess the Wolverine at 4. The problem for me is that even when the X films have been good or even great, they've never been amazing or incredible. I loved the cartoon as a kid, and with First Class I was excited for a fresh take on things. For a new direction and aesthetic to be adopted and hopefully see a closer representation of the X-men. DoFP was honestly shocking with how decent it ended up being and how well it weaved together the old and new, all things considered. It could have been a total cluster of fuck but turned out really strong. But now with Apocalypse I fear we have just put a new coat of paint on the same old approach and aesthetic the X-men in movies have had since the very first film. X1, 2, 3, and Origins were like a car that was new and cutting edge in the 90's but became outdated and old, and instead of upgrading to a new vehicle Fox has realized they can just put some new paint and replace parts here and there and voila, good as new. Like being too attached to it for various reasons to junk it and start new like Simon Peggs characters car in "The World's End". We may have fresh faces and new time periods, but the way the action, powers, and fights are handled... the way introducing new mutants and their purpose in the plot as well as established characters and their relationships are handled... the approach has been in place and is here to stay since these are all, at the end of the day, a part of the same line of films that Singer began way back with X1.

I want to see Wolverine, for example, and his powerset fully realized and showcased in the way that Captain America was in the tanker opening of Winter Soldier. Nothing comes close in my mind from any of the X-men movies that can match that Cap sequence in how you can just feel the love the director(s) had for the source material and their joy in being able to play in that world and create such a scene. I just don't think we'll ever go there with Fox's X-men continuing to play it safe and hold onto to what works by following Singers particular style and sensibilities when it comes to making an X-men movie.
 
It sounds like a lot of negatives but I did enjoy the movie.

My "final verdict" as well. I had a lot of small niggling issues with the movie (some clunky dialogue, and sketchy acting from the non-leads, like Olivia Munn and Sophie Turner (Jean Gray...good god she was pretty terrible in this), but overall I enjoyed it for what it was. Definitely not as good as Civil War but if you enjoy the X-Men movies there's no real reason to skip it. I did feel the movie was a bit sloppy, but I only kind of thought that after I walked out of the theater. While I was in the moment I felt the flow was just fine.

Just a few of my random thoughts:
-Final battle felt really sloppy. A lot of shit was going on at once and there were issues with flow.
-I really don't know why Mystique thought slicing Apoc's throat was gonna work. Surely she was aware that wasn't gonna stop him? She basically did it solely for there to be a reason for Xavier to engage Apoc, which leads to:
-The "mind" battle was bizarre and disappointing. The first few seconds of them standing made me feel like they were gonna do some wild crazy telekinetic supernatural shit. After all, it's a battle within each other's minds! I was expecting some Inception-cross-superhero insanity...and then they just started punching each other. Wut. And then Apoc gets the higher ground by growing big. Double wut. And then Xavier is clearly whispering to Jean IRL "help me" and all she does is stare at him with her dead eyes. Triple wut. Then she finally gets arsed to do something and then she...just appears in the dream staring at Apoc and the whole dream sequence ends. Quadruple wut. If they were gonna waste the opportunity so badly, I don't know why they included a mind-battle in the first place. The constant cuts between the mind battle and the IRL one was a big reason why the final battle felt sloppily edited.
-Psyloche just walking away with a pouty face was an awkward coda to the scene. I know they were trying to establish an "evil baddie gets away!" thing but she was easily the weakest of the four horsemen and I really didn't feel any "hatred" for her getaway to contribute anything to the ending.

-Wolverine's inclusion was only important in terms of his re-done origin story (which...does anyone care about that at this point?) but contributes nothing to this movie's overall narrative. Another thing I can easily point to that makes the movie sloppier in general. I would've cut his appearance out completely (he's due to have a solo film soon anyway).
-Are they ever gonna reuse the original cast again? I don't feel like any of the characters aged at all despite it being 20 years since First Class. They made it pretty clear the original cast will still be a thing at the end of DoFP, but it's clear they kinda don't wanna use them anymore. Are they really gonna keep making prequels to the original X-Men trilogy? I was expecting them to return to modern times at some point since they made it a pretty big deal that they were returning everything back to normal with the original cast in modern times (Jean and Scott being alive, etc.).

-Seeing Quicksilver in action was great again, but the sequence of saving (nearly :P) everyone from the exploding house went on for too long was far too giant a shift between an emotionally distressing scene and a comedic montage (and then went right back to distressing/sad).

-One thing about Jean: I don't know much about how the comics handles Phoenix, but isn't Phoenix extremely difficult if not impossible to control, and that Jean needed to suffer some incredible trauma (aka outright dying) for Phoenix to awaken? In this movie Jean "unleashes" Phoenix willingly just because Xavier told her to not "hold back", points it directly at Apoc and nobody else, and then immediately retracts it when they're done killing him. Again, don't know much about Phoenix but I thought this was a completely wrong portrayal of Phoenix based on my past experience with X-Men media.
 
Really shocked to see that there are conflicting opinions on the film, the film I saw last night was a straight up turkey, it was pretty terrible. The main villain was okay, but the whole film was phoned in, just a shameless cash grab that has the cast in contractual shackles.
 
did anyone else chuckle at Apocalypse designing their costumes in the background while Erik was talking to Xavier?
Yes, and when he destroys the city and uses it to build his own pyramid. The idea that Apocalypse destroys so that he can rebuild and takes interest in the minute designs of it is both genuinely pretty great and kinda funny.

Yeah a little bit.

Though it is really dumb that he made a coordinated and cohesive look between Angel/Storm/Magneto and then Psylocke had her classic comic spandex getup.
Psylocke also didn't get a notable power boost. Magneto gets his ability to tear metal from the ground. Angel gets sick metal wings. Storm... Gets grey hair?

Play maybe Storm AND Psylocke got the short end of the stick there. I also didn't like Storms reasons for being with Apocalypse at all.

She is portrayed as being idealistic and wanting to be heroic but the moment Apocalypse suggests mass murder she is on board?
At least Angel is shown to be a dumbass who just wants to fight. Magneto is shown to be really sad. Psylocke has a couple of lines about being used by people and wanting freedom.

This movie definitely suffered from the same issues as the worst of the previous X-Men films. Too many characters thrown in as "Main" important characters only to receive no screen time or development. This movie would be no different if you removed Psylocke or Storm from it.
 
Really shocked to see that there are conflicting opinions on the film, the film I saw last night was a straight up turkey, it was pretty terrible. The main villain was okay, but the whole film was phoned in, just a shameless cash grab that has the cast in contractual shackles.

*tries to think of big budget movie that isn't a cash in, comes up 100% short
 
"shameless cash grab" is like the emptiest criticism of anything distributed by a studio.

It's basically just a collection of syllables at this point.
 
Really shocked to see that there are conflicting opinions on the film, the film I saw last night was a straight up turkey, it was pretty terrible. The main villain was okay, but the whole film was phoned in, just a shameless cash grab that has the cast in contractual shackles.

Are you really that shocked to see that a movie that got ~50% on RT (aka nearly half liking it and half disliking it) getting conflicting opinions?

Psylocke also didn't get a notable power boost. Magneto gets his ability to tear metal from the ground. Angel gets sick metal wings. Storm... Gets grey hair?

To be fair, we never really saw Storm pre-power-up other than a brief gust of wind to steal some money. Maybe that's about all she could do before Apoc gave her lightning/flight/manipulating the weather.

But I agree that Psylocke didn't get a boost. Maybe being able to make different energy shapes like a whip? Maybe she wasn't able to split a car in two before? Although with the whip and the spandex I cringed at the (maybe unintentional) dominatrix undertone.
 
The movie was fun but had a lot of questionable moments. My favorites were Cyclops and Kurt for sure. Psylocke was cool but I wish she had more character development.
 
Enjoyed the movie, but was a big step down from dofp for me.

I liked apocalypse, but his horsemen were lame barring magneto.
 
So, I saw it. I have no knowledge or background on the X-Men outside the movies

It....wasn't bad. At all. There was some fun stuff. Actually I quite enjoyed everything outside of the Apocalypse scenes (anything with him in the frame was generally quite boring or just lame)

The characters and their relationships were all handled quite well, though the Magneto flip flopping good/bad is getting old by now.

The action scenes were pretty fun and it was great seeing some FUCK YEAH XMEN stuff in the final battles

Certainly not my favourite Xmen movie but definitely better than The Last Stand (whoever compared it to that - I don't like you)

I don't know. I don't have much else to say. I'm definitely still looking forward to the next film. I like where the continuity is at now and they have a great roster of X-Men to play with moving forward
 
Noticed there was a few cut stuff from the trailers or alternate takes

- No shot of Psylocke stabbing the ground between Beasts toes and giving him the smirk
- Scene where Jean controls Scott's head to fire his optic blast during the final battle is missing
- Obviously the entire mall montage
- Psylocke cutting through the car and landing shot was a bit different (or the speed of it was altered from the trailer)
- Scott running to the hole at the mansion and overlooking the damage was missing (I think?)
 
- Scott running to the hole at the mansion and overlooking the damage was missing (I think?)

I remember that. Not sure if it's the exact same cut, but he definitely ran up to the debris when he realized his brother wasn't among the survivors.

The mall stuff wasn't just a montage either. In the TV spots we've seen actual scenes with dialogue and stuff in them. They must have cut a lot there.
 
I remember that. Not sure if it's the exact same cut, but he definitely ran up to the debris when he realized his brother wasn't among the survivors.

The mall stuff wasn't just a montage either. In the TV spots we've seen actual scenes with dialogue and stuff in them. They must have cut a lot there.
Hmm, yeah maybe I was remembering it differently then.

BTW, just looking at Fox's YouTube page, they have a ton of X-Men commercials up and one of them flat out spoils Jean turning into Phoenix and the Sentinels at the end. I can't believe they put that up a day after the movie was out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAE2dJZ7J5Q
 
Didn't care for this much.

The acting was pretty awful, with JLaw and Sophie Turner seemingly phoning it in. Mystique's "you're now X-men" speech at the end was cringeworthy.

And I still don't understand why Apocalypse stood around with his horsemen while the X-Men were off in Canada. He literally did nothing for what was likely a day or two of in-movie time.
 
Angel is also around the same age he is in X3, which takes place like 20 years later. Maybe it's not the same character?

I mean Psylocke was also in X3 technically lol. It's just one of those things you have to brush aside. FOX seems more interested in just going "Yeah, let's put this person and this person and this person" without much thought.
 
When people said "Jubilee didn't do anything", I didn't expect them to mean she literally did nothing. She never used her power once in the entire film. Why write her in, cast her role, do her entire customing, etc., if you're not gonna use the character at all outside of some generic lines any nondescript teenage student at the academy can do?

Same complaint I had with the mind-battle. Why do a surreal battle inside two characters' minds if you're just gonna have them throwing hands in a recycled set??

Hmm, yeah maybe I was remembering it differently then.

BTW, just looking at Fox's YouTube page, they have a ton of X-Men commercials up and one of them flat out spoils Jean turning into Phoenix and the Sentinels at the end. I can't believe they put that up a day after the movie was out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAE2dJZ7J5Q

Mystique's final speech ("forget everything you think you know" etc. etc.) was spoiled in trailers and TV spots.

What the fuck is with advertising for movies these days anyway? This one literally spoils the final line of the entire film.
 
-Are they ever gonna reuse the original cast again? I don't feel like any of the characters aged at all despite it being 20 years since First Class. They made it pretty clear the original cast will still be a thing at the end of DoFP, but it's clear they kinda don't wanna use them anymore. Are they really gonna keep making prequels to the original X-Men trilogy? I was expecting them to return to modern times at some point since they made it a pretty big deal that they were returning everything back to normal with the original cast in modern times (Jean and Scott being alive, etc.).

I disagree with the bold, felt it was more just an "ending" to the movie and a way to show that "we did it, we saved the future" as the movies now take place in the First Class timeline. Gave some closure to the events from the beginning of the movie as once they sent Logan back those events no longer happened the same way (if at all).


Also remembered what Charles said to Alex in the cerebro room, it was wreak havoc, not cry havok which was mentioned earlier. Still cheesy but not quite as bad lol.
 
I know some mockingly commented that this film has death so it is better than MCU.

But think of it, at least the mutants are not OP+IMBA here, they can be killed by falling boulders and normal human schemes. I guess that is a good thing, no?
 
I disagree with the bold, felt it was more just an "ending" to the movie and a way to show that "we did it, we saved the future" as the movies now take place in the First Class timeline. Gave some closure to the events from the beginning of the movie as once they sent Logan back those events no longer happened the same way (if at all).


Also remembered what Charles said to Alex in the cerebro room, it was wreak havoc, not cry havok which was mentioned earlier. Still cheesy but not quite as bad lol.

I don't know how making the ending "we saved the future" necessarily means they don't want to re-use the cast. In fact, to me it was pretty clear they did the opposite. The real stakes of DoFP were in essentially saving the old cast (old Magneto, old Xavier, Kitty, old Storm had roles prior to the ending) and the reward was seeing OG Jean and Scott alive along with other cameos. If the entire point of the movie in saving the present/future timeline is just to have a 5-minute pat-in-the-back cameo-fest before going back to the cast (that stays inexplicably young despite 20 years having been passed since First Class) then that really brings DoFP down a bunch of notches in my view. I really respected the movie for going out of its way to integrate the old X-Men films, even acknowledge the trash that was X3, and erasing it from the story's existence. They built-in their fixing of the cinematic universe as a plot device, which I thought was pretty clever and made me excited for what they were gonna do after.

If they never wanted to re-use the cast again, it makes DoFP pointless in terms of world-building the X-Men as a cinematic series. They could've just rebooted the series officially since First Class instead of continuing to jerk us around by making endless prequels. How many more times do they want us to sit through "Magneto's evil! Or is he...?!?!?" plots and continuing to pretend that Mystique won't ever be a villain?
 
Just watched the IGN spoiler video and they inter-cut it with a 10 minute interview of Lana Condor talking about Jubilee and I just feel soooo bad for her. She hadn't seen the movie yet so she's talking about all the stuff we shot and how we'd get her back story and see her powers. She even had LED light things attached to her hands for the VFX guys to get light sources for her powers which actually electrocuted her a bit, but she didn't say anything cause she didn't wanna come off as a whiny actor, haha.
 
It was pretty obvious as it was happening

That was the curtain call for the old cast, and not much more. Pretty sure Kinberg just recently confirmed that the timeline going forward can be whatever the hell it wants moving forward.

Meh, that puts a giant damper on my expectations of the franchise. I was expecting them to return to that cast at some point.
 
Just watched the IGN spoiler video and they inter-cut it with a 10 minute interview of Lana Condor talking about Jubilee and I just feel soooo bad for her. She hadn't seen the movie yet so she's talking about all the stuff we shot and how we'd get her back story and see her powers. She even had LED light things attached to her hands for the VFX guys to get light sources for her powers which actually electrocuted her a bit, but she didn't say anything cause she didn't wanna come off as a whiny actor, haha.

:(
 
Just saw it. It was not disappointing per se, just not all that enjoyable for me. Like there were a lot of things I saw that I liked because it might mean something later, just not for this film in particular.

I feel like they messed up having a large scale event like this happening sometime between 1973 and the ending to DoFP. If the events in 1973 didn't spark the Sentinel program why the hell wouldn't this?

I wasn't that big on Quicksilvers mansion scene. Not a fan of the way his powers are portrayed really, and for it to be a sort of a heroic comic relief set up by Havok basically killing himself.
 
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