Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 reviews and benchmarks

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SneakyStephan said:
Every extra card you add also adds an extra frame of input lag.
+ 3 frames of input lag with 4x SLI then
You couldn't pay me to play with that much input lag

Just the +1 from SLI is already throwing the baby away with the bathwater as far as I'm concerned,especially since SLI doesn't even scale 100 percent.



Blower coolers have always sucked.

Nvidia are so full of shit with their 'premium materials'

I hope it's worth it to them to piss off a bunch of people who buy this only to find out their card throttles just for the quick early adopter cash grab...

You'd think they'd be smarter than this, but some beancounter must have weighed that the cash grab is worth more than the loss in goodwill from users.
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That said you still need 3x/4x SLI to play the newest games at a playable framerate @ 4k. I don't see this changing with the 1080.

I have a 4k display with a 980Ti 3x setup. Not sure what my upgrade path will be at this point.
 
Wag said:
That said you still need 3x/4x SLI to play the newest games at a playable framerate @ 4k. I don't see this changing with the 1080.

I have a 4k display with a 980Ti 3x setup. Not sure what my upgrade path will be at this point.
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I can't believe we've reached a point where anything under 60 fps is not considered "playable" lol. When Crysis came out, "playable" was ~25 fps.

I guess one of the best games I've played in years (Uncharted 4) was only half-playable. Could have fooled me though.
 
terencecah said:
what the usual price range for a water block and entire setup, not including cpu cooling?

just the video card, tubes, rad, pump, etc
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The CPU block and two fittings would be < $100.

You're looking at ~$500 for a full custom setup only on the GPU.

- $150 for reservoir/pump combo
- $155 for the GPU block + backplate
- $50 on fittings
- $20 on tubing
- $70 on a radiator

Give or take; will also depend on the quality of the parts you choose. This is around the mid-end.
 
Piggus said:
I can't believe we've reached a point where anything under 60 fps is not considered "playable" lol. When Crysis came out, "playable" was ~25 fps.
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Agreed. I look at the reviews on the Founders Edition of the 1080 and most UHD benchmarks are between 52 - 54fps with Ultra presets. FTW versions (and perhaps OC beyond stock) can only improve that.

My thought is that games running on UHD resolution don't necessarily need aggressive AA implementation and I'd be okay with lowering some of the resource-intensive options. 60fps doesn't seem like such a stretch with a single card.
 
finalflame said:
The CPU block and two fittings would be < $100.

You're looking at ~$500 for a full custom setup only on the GPU.

- $150 for reservoir/pump combo
- $155 for the GPU block + backplate
- $50 on fittings
- $20 on tubing
- $70 on a radiator

Give or take; will also depend on the quality of the parts you choose. This is around the mid-end.
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thanks, do you know of a good resource to get started?
 
Wag said:
That said you still need 3x/4x SLI to play the newest games at a playable framerate @ 4k. I don't see this changing with the 1080.

I have a 4k display with a 980Ti 3x setup. Not sure what my upgrade path will be at this point.
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Well I doubt it'd be an upgrade but 2x 1080 probably match 3x 980 Ti in actual games. Scaling in 3 way is not great
 
Piggus said:
I can't believe we've reached a point where anything under 60 fps is not considered "playable" lol. When Crysis came out, "playable" was ~25 fps.

I guess one of the best games I've played in years (Uncharted 4) was only half-playable. Could have fooled me though.
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You played Uncharted 4 @ 4k?

I'm sure many new games won't get anywhere near close to 60fps @ 4k, even on the 1080 2-way SLI. They don't on my 3x 980Ti setup.

It would be nice to have the 1080 3x option, but it appears games have to be coded specifically for that setup, which is probably going to be rare since it's not officially supported by Nvidia.

Remains to be seen how a 1080 3x/4x setup performs in DX12 games tho.
 
DOT DASH DOT said:
Yeah that's 1794 - 1936! Not that it would be difficult to make that gap up, but still.

Think the FTW is much quieter too.
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Are you sure? I remember on the 970, gigabytes 3 fan was one of the quietest, next to the msi. Meanwhile evga's acx 2.0 was one of the loudest. Did they improve their fans?
 
terencecah said:
thanks, do you know of a good resource to get started?
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The Overclockers guide is pretty good, and if I recall, where I started many moons ago:

http://www.overclockers.com/beginners-guide-water-cooling/

Some things may have changed slightly nowadays, but the general premise is the same. You need:

- A pump with a top.
- A reservoir.
- It's easiest to get a combo for the above that comes with it all pre-assembled and is guaranteed to work/fit.
- Radiator(s)
- High static pressure fans for your radiators (I like Noctua's iPPC line)
- Tubing (go with soft silicon tubing for your first build, hardline has its slew of challenges for a first timer)
- Blocks for desired components
- Fittings to connect tubing to blocks/radiators/pump/reservoir.
- A case that fits everything and has appropriate mounting holes for your pump/res.

There's really a lot of research to be done with custom watercooling, but luckily most sizing is standardized. You do have to make sure you get the right size tubing/fittings (these are measured in ID (inner diameter) and OD (outer diameter), and the size of your fittings should be compatible with the size of your tubing).

Unlike most other mods with PC, fucking up a custom watercooling loop can ruin thousands of dollars worth of components and no warranty is going to cover you. When done correctly and carefully, though, it's highly rewarding.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions after doing some research and deciding you wanna do it :)
 
Wag said:
You played Uncharted 4 @ 4k?

I'm sure many new games won't get anywhere near close to 60fps @ 4k, even on the 1080 2-way SLI. They don't on my 3x 980Ti setup.

It would be nice to have the 1080 3x option, but it appears games have to be coded for that setup, which is probably going to be rare since it's not officially supported by Nvidia.
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I don't see many problems with the 1080 cards hitting 60FPS at UHD resolution, as long as you sacrifice some max settings and options. I think statements like the above, need clarification for that reason. Some are okay with dialing it down a notch to get that 60fps sweet spot. The mere fact that this card can hit it in many modern games (or close, and on max settings) is damn impressive.
 
Wag said:
You played Uncharted 4 @ 4k?

I'm sure many new games won't get anywhere near close to 60fps @ 4k, even on the 1080 2-way SLI. They don't on my 3x 980Ti setup.

It would be nice to have the 1080 3x option, but it appears games have to be coded specifically for that setup, which is probably going to be rare since it's not officially supported by Nvidia.

Remains to be seen how a 1080 3x/4x setup performs in DX12 games tho.
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I'm talking about framerate, not resolution. I think we have a very different idea of what's considered a "playable" framerate lol. A lot of people think anything less than 60 fps is unplayable, and I find that notion pretty hilarious.

If you're spending that much on GPU power, then yes I can see where you'd have very high expectations. I think the better term to use when a game isn't running at 60 fps+ on $2000 worth of video cards is "unacceptable," even at 4k. After having two 970s, I don't think I'll ever use SLI again unless it's implemented in a way that doesn't require devs to do anything extra. With Rise of the Tomb Raider for example, they fixed SLI in one patch and then completely broke it in the next. That kind of thing is just too annoying to deal with on a regular basis.
 
Pepiope said:
It says here it will be the 4th. You cant make me wait any longer.
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I know it says that, but I just have a feeling that you cant go to a store and just pick one up on the 4th. In Canada at least.

I hope Im wrong, but the founders edition wasnt even available on the 27th.
 
My GTX 1080 (Zotac) arrived today (from Amazon). Installed it and I'm going to get some games fired up later this week.

I'm coming from an SLI 780Ti setup, and as much as I liked that, I won't miss the SLI-specific jank - from microstutter to waiting forever for DSR+SLI+GSync support. I've always been an SLI supporter (as far back as Voodoo 2) and usually grab a second card early a lifecycle, but I have no plans to this time. Hoping for good things at 2560x1440 with the 1080.
 
Are there any good articles yet of a OC'd 1080 reference vs an OC'd 980ti reference?

edit: oh this earlier post is nice

longdi said:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/geforce-gtx-1080-overclocking-guide-with-afterburner-4-3,3.html



From these tests...

A good overclocked 980Ti (~1500 boost) vs a good overclocked 1080 (~2050 boost), the 1080 will only be 15% faster in 3DMark graphics (21K vs 24K)

An average overclocked 980Ti (~1450 boost) vs (~1950 boost), the 1080 will be only be 10% faster in 3DMark graphics (20K vs 22K)

Phew feels good with my 980Ti still. :P

Btw it seems Pascal's secret is its much higher boost clocks....which mean if AMD gets a good architecture going, things can get interesting..
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Oh well. I called it with my gut check!
 
Piggus said:
I can't believe we've reached a point where anything under 60 fps is not considered "playable" lol. When Crysis came out, "playable" was ~25 fps.
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hah, if your specs were good enough! I remember when that game came out I needed an upgrade to get above ~7 FPS in certain scenarios xD
 
Man, if the 1080 is any indication how the rest of the Pascal cards will go I think I'm just going to take this opportunity to buy a 980ti for cheap and ride out a SLI configuration until Volta's Ti version.
 
Odrion said:
Man, if the 1080 is any indication how the rest of the Pascal cards will go I think I'm just going to take this opportunity to buy a 980ti for cheap and ride it out a SLI configuration until Volta's Ti version.
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I would too if the 980tis would price drop appropriately.
 
Odrion said:
Are there any good articles yet of a OC'd 1080 reference vs an OC'd 980ti reference?

edit: oh this earlier post is nice



Oh well. I called it with my gut check!
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this is highly disappointing

I was going to sell my 980ti sli setup to get a single 1080 (tired of sli)

but seems be a bigger lost than I anticipated

edit: i think those are based on FE cards, it remains to be seen how well non FE cards can OC
 
terencecah said:
this is highly disappointing

I was going to sell my 980ti sli setup to get a single 1080 (tired of sli)

but seems be a bigger lost than I anticipated

edit: i think those are based on FE cards, it remains to be seen how well non FE cards can OC
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Very good 980 Ti's can even beat 1080s in firestrike ultra. SLI 980Ti is plenty of power.

In terms of non founder overclocks, 2100Mhz appears to be the wall. 2200mhz may be possible but very rare. LN2 is capping out at 2400mhz so it seems there isn't much headroom in Pascal.

Edit, see post below.

Also people bitching about high watt PSUs need to remember they run more efficiently under medium load.
 
terencecah said:
this is highly disappointing

I was going to sell my 980ti sli setup to get a single 1080 (tired of sli)

but seems be a bigger lost than I anticipated

edit: i think those are based on FE cards, it remains to be seen how well non FE cards can OC
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You should take a look at this then: http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=157414&page=3

edit: Shit, I forgot I only have a 750W and my 980ti FTWs draw 275W. Hmmmm maybe now it's a good time to upgrade to a Platinum 1000W if I go the SLI route.
 
paskowitz said:
Very good 980 Ti's can even beat 1080s in firestrike ultra. SLI 980Ti is plenty of power.

In terms of non founder overclocks, 2100Mhz appears to be the wall. 2200mhz may be possible but very rare. LN2 is capping out at 2400mhz so it seems there isn't much headroom in Pascal.
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Does that include non-FE, aftermarket boards? I haven't seen any benches yet.

I'm actually trying to move away from SLI, my hope is that a single 1080 oc does well
 
terencecah said:
Does that include non-FE, aftermarket boards? I haven't seen any benches yet.

I'm actually trying to move away from SLI, my hope is that a single 1080 oc does well
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It's reasonable going from 980 SLI to a single 1080, but moving from a single 980ti to a 1080 is just a 15% or so improvement (depending on clocks)... and you're using SLI. It's not even close to being in the same ballpark.
 
terencecah said:
Does that include non-FE, aftermarket boards? I haven't seen any benches yet.

I'm actually trying to move away from SLI, my hope is that a single 1080 oc does well
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Yes.

It's still early days but the signs point to mediocre overclocking on all cards. ATM voltage is locked in software to 1.09v and like Odrion's post above illustrates, 1.25v max (with extreme hardware modding). Unless custom cards raise the voltage limit and get binned chips I can't see any meaningful increase over what we have now (2100). Wait for the 1080 Ti.
 
terencecah said:
Hmm you guys are right


this is a much worse loss of power than I thought, seems like the 1080 is hamstrung in more than one way
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This is how it's been for a bit. You are comparing the last gen large die card against the new gen small die card that has much lower power consumption. The only thing that hinders the 1080 is people's expectations.

If I recall, the 980 was roughly 10% faster than a 780ti (with a few outliers) when it launched.
 
paskowitz said:
Very good 980 Ti's can even beat 1080s in firestrike ultra. SLI 980Ti is plenty of power.

In terms of non founder overclocks, 2100Mhz appears to be the wall. 2200mhz may be possible but very rare. LN2 is capping out at 2400mhz so it seems there isn't much headroom in Pascal.

Edit, see post below.

Also people bitching about high watt PSUs need to remember they run more efficiently under medium load.
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I think 2100 is going to be pretty rare without mods. I suspect 2ghz is going to be the typical overclock.
 
spannicus said:
980ti still powers through games. Why not wait until its obsolete or get 1080ti?
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For 980ti owners it doesn't make much sense to upgrade, but some like to have the latest and greatest

For 970/980 owners it's more tempting. I'm tempted mainly for VR - I like the stereo multiprojection stuff that I hope gets wide support quickly, plus enough headroom for lots of down sampling to improve the image. 1070 is also a good choice for that
 
spannicus said:
980ti still powers through games. Why not wait until its obsolete or get 1080ti?
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For 980ti owners it would probably be best to wait for at least the 1080ti, perhaps longer. Some people just have to have the latest and greatest though so thats the main reason.

Edit: welp the guy above me literally said the same thing, woops!
 
TheTrain said:
In europe there are also the FTW?

http://eu.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6286-KR
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So I ordered one FTW from the EU site. Half an hour later FTW and SC are back to "Pre-order" status. I wonder if they actually had stock and it's now sold out (and did I manage to get one?). Too bad there's no tracking of any kind on their site.

edit: Actually there's tracking under support. Order status Waiting to Process. Hmm. Well something might or might not happen with that one.
 
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