Super Smash Bros. for WiiU is officially the biggest smash tournament ever at Evo!
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Yeah, that's definitely a huge part of it. The top players are all well-known and are admired by younger kids. Other than Zero, not many smash 4 players are that famous yet, and the metagame is still settling (and will take longer every time a patch is pushed).
Jawmuncher
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Would be the biggest EVO tournament period if snake was in smash.
sixteen-bit
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The nature of the NX port will be crucial in terms of how Smash 4 will progress. If it has more characters or any major changes in general, then we're back at the same situation of the game changing right before people can truly adapt, but the new content may capture the interest of those who didn't jump in before or those who dropped Smash 4 after a while. If the NX port is just a straight port of the Wii U version, the meta-game can continue developing uninterrupted, but those who dropped Smash 4 may be less inclined to come back (though Smash 4 being on another platform that isn't a sinking ship may go a long way already).
As a spectator sport I think Melee will still reign for quite a bit and it has the whole "burst out of grassroots" medal of honor going for it. That said when it comes to the game I feel like a prevalent undercurrent is that in time it's grown to be less about the game itself and more about it's players. It isn't a bad thing necessarily because player investment fuels a lot of sports but it's no secret that it's appropriately referred to as almost wrestling-like nowadays. It's a game to be wowed by but not so much surprised by.
Smash 4, for better and for worse, needs to rely more on it's development, gameplay and meta for it to get to a point where the player dynamics becomes an established foothold. But I think that renewed excitement for the game in it's current status is what is so inherently exciting about it. It's incredibly varied and unpredictable in pools and even though we essentially have an agreed-on top tier, statistics show how the variation extends all the way into the Top 16. It's a game where right now, underdogs reign supreme, and it's refreshing to see that someone like M2K can jump over to Smash 4 and be considered an exciting new x-factor to root for despite his Melee dominance in the past.
That and, of course, it's still Smash at heart. None of the above wouldn't matter so much if it wasn't already a proven concept that's taken strides in maintaining a competitive edge.
Smash 4, for better and for worse, needs to rely more on it's development, gameplay and meta for it to get to a point where the player dynamics becomes an established foothold. But I think that renewed excitement for the game in it's current status is what is so inherently exciting about it. It's incredibly varied and unpredictable in pools and even though we essentially have an agreed-on top tier, statistics show how the variation extends all the way into the Top 16. It's a game where right now, underdogs reign supreme, and it's refreshing to see that someone like M2K can jump over to Smash 4 and be considered an exciting new x-factor to root for despite his Melee dominance in the past.
That and, of course, it's still Smash at heart. None of the above wouldn't matter so much if it wasn't already a proven concept that's taken strides in maintaining a competitive edge.
foxuzamaki
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Calm Mind
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Nah, I doubt it. Until Smash 4 proves that it can pull more viewers & more hype than Melee, it's keeping its Saturday slot. That being said, it'll probably get a Saturday night slot (which would be an improvement compared to the Saturday afternoon time slot of last year). The EVO guys only want one Smash game on the main stage on Sunday. With this in mind, Melee has the most hype, the most viewers, & the better storylines of the two Smash games. It makes perfect sense that the EVO guys chose Melee for the Sunday slot instead of Smash 4.I imagine this news will change that sooner than you think.
Amazing. On both announcement and the dedication in this setup.
It's exactly this kind of dedication which proves that Melee isn't going anywhere. The Melee scene's dedication is above & beyond most communities.
Calm Mind
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Melee had its time. Now is the time for Smash 4.
GiantBreadbug
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Great news and well deserved 
At the end of the day, people can make excuses and shit all they want, but more people want to play Smash 4 at EVO, period. That says more about the game than anything lol.
But it's always good to count on some dizzying spin when something positive about Smash 4 pops up.
At the end of the day, people can make excuses and shit all they want, but more people want to play Smash 4 at EVO, period. That says more about the game than anything lol.
But it's always good to count on some dizzying spin when something positive about Smash 4 pops up.
It's still Melee's time, at least as far as viewers are concerned. And at least right now, I don't see that changing anytime soon.
And you're not wrong about the bolded. It's just that, as far as we know, more people want to watch Melee.Great news and well deserved
At the end of the day, people can make excuses and shit all they want, but more people want to play Smash 4 at EVO, period.
But it's always good to count on some dizzying spin when something positive about Smash 4 pops up.
I can easily see Smash 4 cracking 2.5k at EVO, and I don't think Melee will be far behind. It's impressive that the Smash scene can contain two separate games with such crazy levels of entrants for tournaments and little overlap.
If Nintendo really put in the time and effort (and cashmoney) I could see Smash being the biggest competitive fighting game on the planet and maybe even the first fighting game series to escape the FGC and become shin-esports.
If Nintendo really put in the time and effort (and cashmoney) I could see Smash being the biggest competitive fighting game on the planet and maybe even the first fighting game series to escape the FGC and become shin-esports.
Poltergust
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Considering the amount of entrants, hopefully Smash 4 will be able to secure a Sunday slot next year.
Entrants are half the battle, the other half is securing the viewers.
Why would it need to escape the FGC? And "shin-eSports"?
Golden Slumbers
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That's really great to hear. The game is amazing and it makes me happy to see that the community is still growing!
Magnet_Man
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All of my Internet monies on Kamemushi's Mega Man!
Huge Succeeded
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Man, you are trying to spin this entire thread right now, so I wouldn't open that can of worms.
Finally!! A 1:1 pixel perfect mode for GC games! It's an 8:7 display right??
Hot Coldman
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holy shit
...I'd completely forgotten about the GBA SP Tribal Edition, what a nightmare
I wonder what Pokken looks like.
GiantBreadbug
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Actually I'm trying to make sure there's a balancing force to the idea that "this is less significant because not as many people are watching as Melee," which one could have predicted having been said before looking at this thread.
Me pointing out spin is not spin itself.
DrROBschiz
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Yup Smash 4 has amazing depth
Ive reinvented my playstyle several times over since it came out
So much meat on the bone for this game
Poltergust
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It's not like Smash 4 is unpopular with viewers, though. I don't know how it's doing compared to MKX, GG Xrd, and UMvC3, but it wouldn't surprise me if the numbers are higher.
mrmickfran
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There's definitely meat, don't get me wrong. But there isn't nearly as much meat on Smash 4's bone compared to Melee's.
The Top 5 most-viewed games at EVO last year were...
- Ultra Street Fighter IV - 248,663
- Super Smash Bros. Melee - 211,393
- Mortal Kombat X - 190,535
- Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 - 177,057
- Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN- - 131,337
There's no point arguing with Neoxon. You'll just hear him repeat the same stuff all the time ad nauseum.
Respect for what, putting Smash 4 on Sunday? The EVO TOs' logic isn't exactly unjustified (one of each franchise for the Sunday stage).
Huge Succeeded
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KingBroly made the claim that putting money behind Smash 4 would kill Melee quick, and people responded by pointing out that Melee eclipses Smash 4's viewership at EVO. That's how that entire line of discussion began. This thread did not play out the way you describe. Nobody is 'making excuses and shit', nobody is trying to put 'dizzying spin' on anything. Well, I wouldn't say 'nobody', at least not now.
For stop listening the same argument:
"Melee is grass root, it always deserve to be the first xdxdxdLOLXD"
Jebailey said no, smash 4 needs its opportunity to prove itself, so we giving them the Sunday spot.
So respect to him for that.
You could honestly make an argument for both sides. EVO usually goes by the rules of having one of each franchise on Sunday, so their decision to have only Melee on Sunday makes sense. Likewise. Jebailey doesn't go by EVO rules & wants Smash 4 to prove itself, so his decision makes sense. It all depends on the context of each tournament.
And that's why I said respect to him for that. What are we arguing about?
I thought you were refuting something that I said. But seeing as we aren't, nevermind.
Gipsy Danger
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Good. Glad it's finally surpassing melee. I think melee is cool and all but it's good to see 4 getting the attention it deserves instead of living in the shadow of a previous game.
At least for viewership overall as well as Smash-specific majors, Smash 4 kinda still lives in Melee's shadow. I do believe that there is a place for both, it's just that I don't see any scenario where Smash 4 overtakes Melee completely in every regard without a massive overhaul of how Smash 4 is played on a fundamental level.
DrROBschiz
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Thats what crazy
I dont think anyone hates melee. It will always be special and endlessly timeless
But im not about to drag smash 4 through the mud and its a legitmately amazing entry to the series and the first one to get updates and patch support
The entire communityy should be behind this game
I dont think anyone hates melee. It will always be special and endlessly timeless
But im not about to drag smash 4 through the mud and its a legitmately amazing entry to the series and the first one to get updates and patch support
The entire communityy should be behind this game
well if meele has the better spot on the schedule it will obviously overshadow smash 4, no? its kinda logical, nobody would see a smash tournament on saturday night!
It surpassed Melee last year also.
Megalosaro
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One of my close friends is the organizer for a pretty popular tournament series in socal, 2gg. He says the tournament scene is pretty big. Might be bigger than melee
freethoughtbubble
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Truth. In my experience, it's usually the Smash 4 fans making preemptive posts shitting on Melee or Melee fans that get these threads derailed. Feels like insecurity to me, to be honest.
Anyway, congrats to the greater Smash 4 community! While it's not my favorite Smash, it's still a damn good game and I'm happy to see it succeed.
Oh, tons of people hate Melee. The really crazy part is that the ones that hate it the most aren't even traditional FGCers -- they're other Smash fans!
But they aren't. And if you listen closely to the thoughts of the Melee scene, there's a reason for that. But relax, I'm not saying that Smash 4 is a bad game by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just saying that there's a reason why Melee players are sticking with Melee.
As stated earlier, that has more to do with how EVO operates than anything else. I've mentioned how they prefer to have one of each franchise on Sunday, which is likely the main deciding factor for Melee being on Sunday & Smash 4 being on Saturday. And given the viewership (see a few posts above for the EVO 2015 viewership break-down), that may not change anytime soon unless there's an absolute upset this year. That being said, I do hope that Smash 4 gets a better time slot on Saturday that won't screw over its potential viewership.
durrrrrrrrrr
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Melee - Spectator esport where people watch their favorite personalities talk memes and play Mafia
S4 - accessible game for players that don't want to permanently damage their hands, thus not as hardcore and cool
Shout outs to people sticking with the uncool game and making it work
S4 - accessible game for players that don't want to permanently damage their hands, thus not as hardcore and cool
Shout outs to people sticking with the uncool game and making it work