This kinda reminds me of how people love bringing up that Avatar had "zero impact" and "no cultural footprint" on popular culture just because there aren't extensive discussions and debates about it every other day now. No one forgets that Avatar was a thing, and I think it is unlikely that people ever will, regardless of what individuals might think of the quality of the film. Stuff like Jack the Giant Killer are the real examples of something which totally failed to land. Until you check Singer's filmography to reference something, it's unlikely the average person, or even some critics and film buffs, would even think of the movie at all.
[SPOILER THREAD] X-Men: Apocalypse
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LucidMomentum
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Question:
Does Cyclops have a "I want this thing off my lawn." moment in the film?
I just wanna see a big ol' optic blast.
Does Cyclops have a "I want this thing off my lawn." moment in the film?
I just wanna see a big ol' optic blast.
Yeah, it's fan service, but I'm a fan. I like how the movie had a comic book feel to it. Comic books are cheesy and so is the movie. That's a good thing. Add that it's classic X-Men set in the 80's and there's a nostalgia aspect as well.
It's not a perfect movie and has it's flaws, but as an X-Men fan I really liked it.
It's not a perfect movie and has it's flaws, but as an X-Men fan I really liked it.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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He has a big optic blast but it's disappointingly small compared to that one. It even takes place on the lawn at Xaviers and made me specifically think of that moment. Not in a good way though, in a "That's what Cyclops' optic blast looks like when he's not holding back?" sort of way.
You are... agreeing with me right? That sentence is phrased oddly!
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JeremyEtcetera
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Saw the movie and thought it should have come out before Winter Soldier because showing this movie after such a critically acclaimed marvel one was a bad move and it makes your film look worse when it is actually pretty decent. Also, after thinking that Quicksilver was the most OP character of all time in DoFP, they did a good job of making Apocalypse take him down in a way that made Quicksilver's weakness apparent and also make Apocalypse seem OP himself.
One question for anyone who can answer: Canonically is Phoenix stronger than Apocalypse? I haven't personally seen the two fight before but I figured if there was any way they'd defeat him it would be with Phoenix.
One question for anyone who can answer: Canonically is Phoenix stronger than Apocalypse? I haven't personally seen the two fight before but I figured if there was any way they'd defeat him it would be with Phoenix.
roflwaffles
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Singer's contribution to film were Usual Suspects, X1, X2, and DOFP.
Everything else is rubbish or insignificant, this movie included. Its the Thor: Dark World of the X-Men universe. It's not absolutely horrible, but it's ultimately forgettable and has nothing note worthy.
Phoenix is much stronger - it's a cosmic level threat while Apocalypse is at best a planetary threat.
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JeremyEtcetera
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Alright that's good then, thank you. I was getting worried they would make Apocalypse seem weak by combining beam powers DBZ style but then they pulled a pocket Phoenix and I was relieved. It's unfortunate Apocalypse could only grow huge in Xavier's mind.
Bobby Roberts
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The Usual Suspects
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X2
Valkyrie
Days of Future Past
I haven't actually seen Public Access.
Something that has always "bothered" me about the X-men saga is how in none of the films Singer or the other directors never took time to explain what makes mutants so special.
Sure, they have powers and a different DNA but is that it? Why is Magneto always talking about human's behaviors and fears when they don't seem to be different at all? Except for you now, again, the powers.
For all the awfulness that True Blood was (specially in the late seasons) Alan Ball actually took time to explain and show what made vampire distinctive to humans. They had a culture, traditions, legal system, status, even other ways of having sex ffs.
Anyway, probably not the best thread to discuss this but i wanted to explain this "issue" of mine.
Sure, they have powers and a different DNA but is that it? Why is Magneto always talking about human's behaviors and fears when they don't seem to be different at all? Except for you now, again, the powers.
For all the awfulness that True Blood was (specially in the late seasons) Alan Ball actually took time to explain and show what made vampire distinctive to humans. They had a culture, traditions, legal system, status, even other ways of having sex ffs.
Anyway, probably not the best thread to discuss this but i wanted to explain this "issue" of mine.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Saw it again today. I don't think anyone had a bad performance, acting-wise. New Storm, Cylcops, and Jean pretty much perfect. It was funny seeing Jlaw talk to the kids like an experienced mentor considering she is 25, but Mystique's choice of human appearance is easily explained by her powers so not a big deal.
I can't rank them individually but if I had to group them it'd be
Great: X2, DoFP
Good: First Class, X1, Deadpool
Meh: X3, Apocalypse, Wolverine
Shit: Origins
I can't rank them individually but if I had to group them it'd be
Great: X2, DoFP
Good: First Class, X1, Deadpool
Meh: X3, Apocalypse, Wolverine
Shit: Origins
Astral Dog
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What Storm was a villain? 
SCULLIBUNDO
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Happy to partake in genocide (even of her own people) until she realised her pop idol Mystique isn't into genocide. What a good hearted young lass.What Storm was a villain?
Unlike the vampires of True Blood, mutants, as a group, are pretty small in number and relatively new. They're pretty scattered as well, hence Xavier needing Cerebro to try to locate mutants. They're hasn't really been time, or unifying factor, to establish any kind of distinctive culture at this stage in the game.
In the comics at least, during Morrison's run, there was a "Mutant-town" district, and a pretty well known mutant fashion designer that ended up being killed. I think this is what lead that pink headed twerp Quentin Quire to start his rebellion.
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Mr. PlayStation
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Movie was entertaining from start to finish. Apocalypse was an interesting villain(just hoped there were more dialogues written for him, to bring out his real purpose to why he's so hell bent in cleansing earth), Magneto's emotional story was fantastically portrayed by Michael FB, Charles Xavier by James McAvoy was perfect, Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique in this movie felt much better in her role than past two movies combined, Quicksilver stole the show more than once in this movie, so glad they made more use of him. Compare to Civil War I found this a better marvel movie in all aspects.
roflwaffles
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There's a good story in Storm being a villain somewhere.
Kinberg just ain't the dude to write it.
I feel 100% the same way. If Singer had done an extravagant action scene the another character(like he did with Nightcrawler in X2), I would have much preferred it. Have a powers-focused, creative scene like that with Cyclops and Jean and it would have been awesome and would have brought more credibility to these characters inheriting the franchise.
If this series gets a new writer, you know they're retconning the shit out of Storm not being brainwashed.
Discotheque
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no doubt. that and valkyrie fell in a black hole. does anybody really remember tom cruise played a nazi?
avatar's memorable, you can't go a day without somebody bringing up pocahontas or dances with wolves to belittle it. but nobody realizes that there was a day when jack the giant slayer existed.
anyways this deluge of superhero movies has made me retroactively appreciate superman returns quite a bit tbh. i don't think it's a great movie, but it's pretty decent.
returns fails as an action movie but how singer handled superman and lex, and the photography of metropolis. damn man, it's an awesome homage to donner's work. i kind of wish snyder was as indebted to that portrayal of superman as singer was.
Even if we wanna hand wave the destruction of Cairo like... Magneto savagely murdered those Polish cops. Is Poland just like not allowed to participate in Interpol or something?
broncobuster
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Regarding Quicksilver, I liked the 25 seconds of him smacking around Apocalypse as much if not more than his big mansion scene. But the way he's neutralized could've been better. Apocalypse turning the immediate area around him into quicksand of sorts would've made sense over, somehow he's able to see Quicksilver running?
Discotheque
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that scene with him vs. apocalypse was basically test footage for flash vs. darkseid in justice league (part 2?)
that's like the only way it can play out right? singer killed it with the speedster stuff. the rescue scene was playing a bit too much on fanservice from dofp but i'm not gonna lie. when the eurythmics beat started playing and you realized what was about to happen the whole theater perked up.
Poland was so impressed with how badass that was that they gave him a pass
broncobuster
Banned
It's a cool scene but, damn if that DoFP scene isn't phenomenal. Any scene trying to do something like it is an unfavorable comparison.
My favorite part of the mansion rescue is him surfing on the table with a goofy smile on his face. It's total tonal whiplash going from nukes, death, and kidnapping to a fun Quicksilver scene culminating with that shot. It's like they knew Quicksilver is so OP he breaks the film but didn't care. He's the best.
Discotheque
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i also liked when he cracked his knuckles before getting to work. like he knew "i'm too fast for this movie, i got this". and the way he set up those sheets to catch the people he threw out the mansion.
i'd be taking notes if i was working on flash/justice league. it got pretty inventive.
i'd be taking notes if i was working on flash/justice league. it got pretty inventive.
What was the significance of the post credits scene? Some dude collects a vial from the Weapon X project and puts it into a Essex Corp suitcase. That's it? I guess comic readers might draw something from this...I'm glad I didn't wait through all the credits to watch it. I just went to the bathroom when the movie was over and happened to catch the extra scene on my way out.
The briefcase said, "Essex Corp" on it. Which is an allusion to Nathanial Essex, aka Mr. Sinister. An X-Men villain obsessed with genetic manipulation, especially the Summers brothers. So we can guess that he'll be the villain for the next X-Men movie or maybe even for Wolverine 3. Taking Logan's blood could hint that he'll try to clone him and we'll end up with X-23.
Discotheque
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yeah i think mr. sinister is what will lead to x-23 in these movies. who will be the wolverine placeholder for whatever number of x-men movies they do with this roster.
Either Professor X has a non-extradition policy with Poland or the Polish authorities are so embarrassed that any of their cops were trained in archery they just didn't want to say anything.
unpopularblargh
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I felt Superman Returns was more consistent in it's tone throughout (though I will admit I am more forgiving of that movie than most). Oh man, I forgot Jack The Giant Killer was a thing :/
Freewheelin'
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Thought it was terrible, lazy filmmaking. Fassbender was its only saving grace.
TransTrender
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I really hope it is so we can have a true return to form in the next one. There's soo much potential now but after this we could be looking at a potential "X-3 Part II Electric Boogaloo"
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
This film was a bore from beginning to end.
Apocalypse was not menacing whatsoever
Film took a while before it gets going
Don't understand how Jean unleashed her Phoenix powers and not being taken over by that entity? I'm confused as Professor Xavier repressed that entity in previous films
The fight scenes were lacking
Angel dying in a airplane crash - fly out of there bitch
Ugh
Apocalypse was not menacing whatsoever
Film took a while before it gets going
Don't understand how Jean unleashed her Phoenix powers and not being taken over by that entity? I'm confused as Professor Xavier repressed that entity in previous films
The fight scenes were lacking
Angel dying in a airplane crash - fly out of there bitch
Ugh
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Well, he saw Wolverine's experiences of Dark Phoenix in DoFP. So he had to have had some idea on how to groom her.
Alx
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Btw, I wonder if Jean also did get anything from her scanning of Wolverine's mind when they released him.
I think I would have enjoyed this more if it released in March right after Deadpool. Not to say that it was bad, but it was lacking something, compared to FC and DOFP. Maybe it was the omitted mall scene that cut Nightcrawler and Jubilee's exposure, or the underwhelming Apocalypse?
I'd rank them as:
X2 > DOFP > FC > The Wolverine > X-Men > Apoc > > > Origins > Last Stand
(And the only reason Origins is over Last Stand is because it didn't kill off the two team leads)
Edit: Oh yeah, what happened to Stryker? I missed his exit.
I'd rank them as:
X2 > DOFP > FC > The Wolverine > X-Men > Apoc > > > Origins > Last Stand
(And the only reason Origins is over Last Stand is because it didn't kill off the two team leads)
Edit: Oh yeah, what happened to Stryker? I missed his exit.
TransTrender
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He just boned out in a helicopter with bad image composition.
He was like, "LOL I'll BRB" while everyone was getting wrecked by 'Weapon-X'
Darth Pinche
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I enjoyed it overall. But having Psylocke there was irritating. She was just there to be hot and really contributed very little to the story. It also added to my irritation with Olivia Munn's shade that she threw at Morena Baccarrin role in Deadpool. Munn said she passed on the role due to not wanting to be a damsel in distress. Vanessa was nothing of the sort and the role and performance had much more substance than Psylocke. I wonder if it is sour grapes or did they cut out some of Psylocke's scenes?
I'm guessing Wolverine 3
Dusk Soldier
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Psylocke is apparently her favourite mutant, from even back when she was a child. So there was really no way she was going to pass up this opportunity.
And I mean she played Psylocke in a 2 hour X-men movie. There was no way the role was ever going to be meaty or substantial.
That's...not how it is in the movies at all(as of now)...X3 established that Jean was Class 5 mutant(basically movie-verse version of an Omega level mutant), even as a child. There is no separate entity(so far). It's her innate potential. In the original timeline, Jean developed a split personality to deal with her immense powers, and Xavier placed mental blocks to keep her Phoenix persona repressed. This all turns to shit when her "death" in X2 releases that side of her and Magneto stirs the pot even more. Queue DOFP and the two Xavier's mind-melding, thus learning how this goes down. Keeping Jean "caged", as Wolverine said, was not the way to go.
In this timeline, so far Xavier seems to be encouraging Jean to develop as intended, and so her full potential is coming forth much sooner. No mental blocks, no split personality.
The movies are a lot of things, but so far in regards to Jean it's much closer to the original version than the retcon, and i'm glad of that.
Corronchilejano
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Finally had a chance to see it. I was expecting an awful movie but it was ok.
One question though: Why even have Magneto in the movie? I feel he was unnecesary. They could've just added depth to the horsemen, which felt like an afterthought.
One question though: Why even have Magneto in the movie? I feel he was unnecesary. They could've just added depth to the horsemen, which felt like an afterthought.
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