[SPOILER THREAD] X-Men: Apocalypse
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I thought the movie was pretty OK. I noticed that they cut out the mall which had photos leaked ages ago. No jubilee is such a disappointment. Fight scenes were pretty weak and the CGI.
Did the cartoon ever show how he was beaten?
#NotMyApocalypse... Nothing against Oscar, he is a fine actor but I got childhood nostalgia goggles on from the X-Men cartoon Apocalypse and comics.
I still to this day have that line from Apocalypse in the X-Men cartoon when they first fight him... "I am the rocks of the eternal shore, crash against me and be broken!"
Did the cartoon ever show how he was beaten?
I enjoyed the film, but it had major flaws. 3/5. I was kind of on the fence about Oscar Isaac, but I loved his Apocalypse.
Psylocke lol. How many lines did she have? 4? And why was she wearing that ridiculous armor? Because it's comic accurate?
Hated the callbacks, especially the Cyclops one:
Psylocke lol. How many lines did she have? 4? And why was she wearing that ridiculous armor? Because it's comic accurate?
Hated the callbacks, especially the Cyclops one:
After Weapon X / Wolverine escapes: "I hope we never see that guy again" or something.
Also the thing with Jean and Wolverine was kind of creepy.
roflwaffles
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Agreed, Magneto giving up his crusade in this situation is like Batman hanging up the cowl after TDK,
#NotMyApocalypse... Nothing against Oscar, he is a fine actor but I got childhood nostalgia goggles on from the X-Men cartoon Apocalypse and comics.
I still to this day have that line from Apocalypse in the X-Men cartoon when they first fight him... "I am the rocks of the eternal shore, crash against me and be broken!"
"I am as far above mutants as they are above you."
roflwaffles
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IIRC, no one beats him one-on-one, the twelve psychics trap him in the Astral Plane in Beyond Good and Evil. He goes toe to toe with Magneto for a bit before Magneto blasts him out of a wall and then everyone gangs up on him in a 90's style battle with floating islands and castles and stuff.
My biggest problem storywise was that they revisited that Jean's Phoenix was a part of her. A nascent phoenix force vs. apocalypse could have been great, but the movie was already pretty bloated.
Was that before or after Beast's girlfriend, the space ship, sacrifices itself to shoot apoccy out into space?
Was that before or after Beast's girlfriend, the space ship, sacrifices itself to shoot apoccy out into space?
DangerMouse
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Yeah, he was a really likable, rather cool Cyclops and actually got to do some stuff. About time.
Maybe the first movie was the one other time he got to do anything...
Yeah, I loved the Quicksilver scene, the moment the music kicked in I had a grin on my face.
BigJonsson
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CloudyTuba
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#NotMyApocalypse... Nothing against Oscar, he is a fine actor but I got childhood nostalgia goggles on from the X-Men cartoon Apocalypse and comics.
I still to this day have that line from Apocalypse in the X-Men cartoon when they first fight him... "I am the rocks of the eternal shore, crash against me and be broken!"
I didnt even watch the 90s xmen show all that much and yet I can't help but like that version of Apocalypse more. Every time I see him he's just so ready to fuck your shit up. Like not just capable of it, but excited and proud to do it. Ready and willing, he went all-in. At least, that's the impression I get.
Movie apocalypse was very soft spoken and low energy. And he seemed to shy away from direct confrontation for most of the movie.
zorlaczerohero
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Watched it today, the best thing about it was the Suicide Squad trailer, it was terrible in my opinion. Whilst McAvoy and Fassbender are as good as ever, Sophie Turner was a pain to watch, she's a terrible actress. Most enjoyable character was Quicksilver.
They need an X-Men reboot at this stage, just start over.
They need an X-Men reboot at this stage, just start over.
Sophie Turner was okay an actress, but God am I tired of women being directed or written to be "stoic" because it almost always just comes off as wooden and unappealing.
Except not really.
Haloid1177
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It was a solid 5/10 for me. I still can't get over the lack of aging for the cast or the Phoenix force ultimate attack thing at the end, but it wasn't the worst X-Men movie. Sucks that Jubilee's part got cut for the most part. The acting was also insanely bad at times, which is strange because JLaw and Sophie Turner are both good actresses but they were completely wooden through almost the entirety of the film. Nightcrawler was awesome though and Cyclops wasn't a complete waste for once.
It was fine. The X-Men are my guys so I cut these flicks a lot of slack just seeing them on the screen. Apocalypse is a damn tough character to make compelling and it wasn't a complete disaster so that's worthy of some praise, it was just an average movie.
Really felt like Quicksilver should have just owned up to being Magneto's kid and have that be the cause to bring him back to the "good guys," felt like the movie earned that and then just squandered it. Additionally, I have no idea what we're supposed to think of Psylocke's motivations or who or what she cares about as of the final shot of her, which is a damn shame. She's always been one of my favorites.
The timelines sure are blown to hell in these movies now, holy hell. In a sense it's forgivable since comics themselves don't have much of an easier go of it. Even before actual time travel it was getting confusing. It is definitely more pronounced when you look at the MCU that has managed to construct a basically stable and coherent universe without much retconning or narrative conflict, which just seems all the more impressive.
These have probably been talked to death already but I'm going to ask about the most obvious glaring plot holes that struck me, just wondering if there are common explanations:
Really felt like Quicksilver should have just owned up to being Magneto's kid and have that be the cause to bring him back to the "good guys," felt like the movie earned that and then just squandered it. Additionally, I have no idea what we're supposed to think of Psylocke's motivations or who or what she cares about as of the final shot of her, which is a damn shame. She's always been one of my favorites.
The timelines sure are blown to hell in these movies now, holy hell. In a sense it's forgivable since comics themselves don't have much of an easier go of it. Even before actual time travel it was getting confusing. It is definitely more pronounced when you look at the MCU that has managed to construct a basically stable and coherent universe without much retconning or narrative conflict, which just seems all the more impressive.
These have probably been talked to death already but I'm going to ask about the most obvious glaring plot holes that struck me, just wondering if there are common explanations:
- If Apocalypse has been buried in Egypt and immobile since 2000+ BCE, how was he responsible for any other events in history as alluded to or the myth of his namesake horsemen in the Christian bible?
- If Mystique-Stryker was in possession of the adamantiumless 70s Wolverine at the end of DOFP, why is he back in the hands of actual William Stryker as adamantiumed Weapon X in this?
- Angel and Jubilee? Are they meant to be the parents of the 2000s-era teenagers we met in the original movies or what?
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Not necessarily responsible. He simply influenced myths and legends based on his earlier exploits. Oral tradition is a real thing. People passed down his legend across many generations.
Your other two questions are indeed inconsistencies. The biggest one is Mystique and Wolverine. The meh one is the characters' ages, since that affects literally every character in the movie series at this point.
My guess is course-correction...it may not happen the same exact way, but the end result is the same and he gets the adamantium treatment. Similarly, Jean may still go "Dark Phoenix", but instead of it being because of the power supression/split personality/Magneto manipulation, it might be a piece of Apocalypse slowly corrupting her("All is revealed...")...or some other catalyst. How it happened to Wolverine sometime in the 10 years between movies will probably be explained in Wolverine 3.
Movie was okay.
I'll watch it again, but I mean.. I would be lying if I said I didn't giggle like a schoolgirl at the end when they showed the danger room.
I love that they attempted to explain Jean/Phoenix more than they did before but it's hard when she is that powerful.
I didn't find turner that insufferable, just enjoyed they attempted to give the "new" mutants semi-correct origins.
I will watch the next X-Men movie, when they inevitably attempt to link it up with x-men1 in this new "timeline"
I'll watch it again, but I mean.. I would be lying if I said I didn't giggle like a schoolgirl at the end when they showed the danger room.
I love that they attempted to explain Jean/Phoenix more than they did before but it's hard when she is that powerful.
I didn't find turner that insufferable, just enjoyed they attempted to give the "new" mutants semi-correct origins.
I will watch the next X-Men movie, when they inevitably attempt to link it up with x-men1 in this new "timeline"
Timelines are different. So whatever happened in X-Men 1-3 won't happen to the First Class-Apocalypse team. Something in the timeline changed which led to Angel and Jubilee being born earlier I guess. DoFP wiped the slate clean so they can do whatever they wanted with future movies as opposed to them writing around the events of X-Men 1-3.
Unspeakable Evil
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Saw it liked it.
+Liked the new kids
+Wolverine
+Quicksilver
-Horseman didn't really do much
-Seems like most of the movie was build up to one fight against the Horseman and the fights weren't impressive .
-Apocalypse is really strong but was defeated easily
Am I crazy or is Mystique made out to be really important but really doesn't do much? In that final battle Mystique didn't do shit.
+Liked the new kids
+Wolverine
+Quicksilver
-Horseman didn't really do much
-Seems like most of the movie was build up to one fight against the Horseman and the fights weren't impressive .
-Apocalypse is really strong but was defeated easily
Am I crazy or is Mystique made out to be really important but really doesn't do much? In that final battle Mystique didn't do shit.
The thing that bothered me about the PHX thing was it seemed like they have used it before in like X2 when Jean saved the ship.
As an aside I am sick of people bringing kids/toddlers to the theatre.. 4-7yr olds sitting near by seemed spooked at police scene in the forest with Magneto and Wolverine also shredding people...
Osu 16 Bit
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This makes no sense though. The timeline split happens in 1973 so unless Angel and Jubilee look extremely old for their age in 1983 it's just a continuity error.
Same with Psylocke and Trask being in Last Stand or Emma Frost being in Origins.
It's just bad. It's especially frustrating when they will waste a character I care about like Psylocke in a nothing role and then without explanation use her again...in another nothing role.
Just comes with the territory of having cameos.
This is Empire's spoiler special podcast with Simon Kinberg and Bryan Singer: https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazi...oiler-special-with-bryan-singer-simon-kinberg
They locked him into the space time continuum or some shit if I remember correctly.
CloudyTuba
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Same thing with Deadpool. He was born long before the timeline split. The new Deadpool is young enough to be his own son.
There are just as many issues now as there were before DOFP, Fox just fooled some people into thinking they fixed it (here comes one now). They dont actually care about continuity.
Think about it.
Original timeline Wade Wilson was born around 1950 to make his appearance in Origins in 1979, but the timeline didn't change in DOFP until 1973. Meaning Wade in the most recent movie should still be about 66 years old. Instead he is in his 30s. The same sort of thing happens with other characters.
Pre-1973 Origins is still technically part of canon. The fact is that is just doesn't make sense so all you can do is roll with it.
Saying it a second time doesnt make it more true.
roflwaffles
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I forgot Kinberg wrote X-3.
He tries to explain why Magneto didn't get any consequences after he wrecked the planet and the explanation is just...ugh. This is some Zack Snyder shit. It basically boils down to "well we blew up monuments and bridges, but they didn't fall on people". FOH.
CloudyTuba
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That's what happens when you bring Singer and Kinberg back.
At least DOFP still had significant writing involvement from Vaughn.
well actually anything before 73 happened
What time does he talk about this?
Okay but what about the 10-20 people who were killed in cold by because Mags can't handle the concept of a tragic accident?
IS THIS WHAT I AM???!??!
CloudyTuba
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Huh?
If that's what you're waiting for, might I suggest DOFP in which they are already in their 80s, or The Wolverine in which they cameo in their 70s. Or the Xmen series 1-3 in which they are in their late 60s to early 70s. Basically, any Xmen movie except for like two or three of them.
Oh okay.
Yep. The actor was way too small to play the role and they should of gone a differ approach in general#NotMyApocalypse... Nothing against Oscar, he is a fine actor but I got childhood nostalgia goggles on from the X-Men cartoon Apocalypse and comics.
I still to this day have that line from Apocalypse in the X-Men cartoon when they first fight him... "I am the rocks of the eternal shore, crash against me and be broken!"
I was being funny as they don't seem to age in the new saga.
roflwaffles
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Big Baybee
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Just a mediocre movie. Utterly boring and forgettable. Sad.
brainzelda
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One thing I appreciated was the line at the end where Erik asks Charles if he feels scared for his students and his school and he replies "I feel a great swell of pity for the poor soul who comes to my school looking for trouble."
That's the same line Charles uses at the end of X-Men 1 when he's playing chess with Erik in the plastic hanging prison.
Great callback.
That's the same line Charles uses at the end of X-Men 1 when he's playing chess with Erik in the plastic hanging prison.
Great callback.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Days of Future Past also retconned X-Men 1-3. I doubt they would use that timeline again anyway though.
Sub_Level
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Some variation of Xmen 1 happened because Rogue has her silver strand of hair at the end of DoFP.
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