I don't want a cheap one but a good one. And no, the refresh rate is not enough for me.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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I don't want a cheap one but a good one. And no, the refresh rate is not enough for me.
I think you have to spend quite a bit to get a real 120hz 4k TV.
wapplew
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Not kill, but stop Xbox fans from buying Neo or PS4.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Why is everybody so keen on 4K res?? Now lets count the amount of people who have 4K TV's
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Totally, it sometimes seems that this gen (PS4/X1) has made people think that resolution is the only important metric when addressing visual fidelity.
There's absolutely no way they will announce at e3 this year, and release next fall. Just won't happen. It would be a terrible move by MS.
If they are going to announce at E3 this year then surely it will be a November - April release date?
I imagine Q1 2017 to be honest, would make sense, with the Neo releasing in Q4 2016. If Scorpio does promise to be the more powerful console, I can see a fair few people holding out from purchasing Neo and waiting for Scorpio. I certainly will.
If they are going to announce at E3 this year then surely it will be a November - April release date?
I imagine Q1 2017 to be honest, would make sense, with the Neo releasing in Q4 2016. If Scorpio does promise to be the more powerful console, I can see a fair few people holding out from purchasing Neo and waiting for Scorpio. I certainly will.
Primethius
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I think that may be out of either companies hands really. People are plenty entrenched in the current ecosystems.
And how many Xbox fans don't own an XB1 right now? It's probably extremely minimal. And I really doubt we will have much in the way of cross over between OG console owners switching to the competing brand.
wapplew
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C) An Xbox with significant (50+%) power increase over Neo, release this holiday 2016 at same price or cheaper.
gaming_noob
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c) Scorpio releasing holiday 2016 ~30-40% more powerful than Neo. MS is going to eat the bill for a year and make a profit on hardware by mid 2017 when tech production costs go down.
If the gap is true, I don't think X1 will ever outsell the PS4 but fully expect Scorpio to outsell Neo but only if they're similarly priced. All 3rd party games will be demoed on Scorpio, MS still have a heathly dudebro image, combined with superior looking sports/fps, strong online support I can't think why they wouldn't.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Some of A, some of B.
The latter of course
dead monkey uk
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No way, unless you are talking about US only. The Xbox brand is dead in a lot of countries including some very big markets, Germany and Japan in particular. The Neo could be priced more expensive than the Scorpio and I would still bet on the Neo selling more worldwide.
Daffy Duck
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People really think these consoles will push 4K on all games?
What planet do you live on.
What planet do you live on.
LostDonkey
Member
Er it's a 6000 series Samsung led smart TV. It's a good one.
Picture quality is insane.
Just because it was cheap doesn't mean it isn't good.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Even if they could I hope they don't. I'll take 1080p/1440p and 60FPS with great visuals, features, scale etc.
Talk about 4K at 30 fps... is that even really worth doing in 4K? So much of that extra resolution will go to waste in a lot of ways because any slight motion renders it all moot as it turns to blurry mush. Surely 4K resolution only truly shines when your source material is at least 60fps and preferably 120fps.
What about the people who want the strongest multiplats or moved to PS for that with the XB1? There was a big shift at the start of this gen. Just look at that Nielson survey at the top point for the PS4.
I also spent quite a bit for my HDTV. People shouldn't buy cheap tv's, especially for gaming.
LostDonkey
Member
Totally. I've been playing 4k 30 on a 970 for a while now, medium to high settings and it is amazing.
The planet where people thought even XB1 will run 4K games.
Oh I'm sure it's a primary concern for you too mister Gies considering you scored a solid game on the PS4 lower for performance then ended that narrative when there was no secret sauce to be found on the XB1.
KinofChaos
Banned
It doesn't work that way.
Primethius
Banned
Unless it's a new generation where MS ditches XB1 (and things get crazy), it's not happening in the US either. Mindshare is a huge thing and it's the biggest obstacle MS faces.
They don't need to wait to have a more powerful system, I'm really not sure why so many people think that. All they need to do is have a larger APU in their system. If they're wraiting it is because of the CPU and RAM configuration, and those will likely be ready for Spring. For all we know Zen and HBM2 could be ready for later this year too, just like how Sony got ahead of the curve with larger GDDR chips. Didn't the PS4 and XBO release ahead of AMDs own products that used Jaguar and GCN 2.0 as well?
Side note, why is everyone focused on late 2017 so much? I only remember the rumors stating 2017, and Fall was merely speculation.
In US/UK perhaps, outside of those regions it wouldn't make a dent.
MilkyJoe
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Oh come now
This makes zero sense at all. How in the world is resolution going to waste because of the framerate? By this logic movies should have just stuck to 480p.
KinofChaos
Banned
huh? Not sure what you mean, it doesn;t work that way. People who are hardcore xbox fans were going to get xbox anyway, anyone else is going to get what they want based on numerous factors, and world wide outside the US/UK Scorpio is not going to make people to stop buying neo
MilkyJoe
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What he said, read it.
If Scorpio was not a thing then xbox people might well have bought a Neo for the VR alone.
I wager they will no longer consider that purchase, unless by some miracle PSVR gets exclusive to Rogue Squadron VR, or something.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I was considering jumping in on Neo until there were rumours of this. I'll probably cancel my PSVR preorder.
I don't think Xbox fans have been buying PS4 due to power (I think it just worked out that way) but due to them getting the better games, and being the market leader. Last gen 360 was the place to be, and most consumers are just sheep, and follow the herd.
MilkyJoe
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gaming_noob
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Fine...option B. It'll give the devs more time to take advantage of the tech for launch games.
Obscuritas
Member
Truth.
A lot of people won't feel the urge to replace their PS4/X1/X1 slim, and neither Sony nor Microsoft will change that. With these premises I can't really see the beginning of a new generation, unless you believe that the smartphone business model applied to this industry is sustainable, but that's pure nonsense.
Bitch Pudding
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XBOX brand in Germany isn't dead, it's just not as big as PlayStation. But yes, that's the very reason Scorpio will have a though time.
But also yes, I do think Scorpio will have a chance against PS4 Neo if Sony does not undercut Scorpio's price. But that's exactly what I think will happen the second Scorpio hits the market.
True. Saying "Hey, here's our newest console, you can now play all your XBOX One games in 1080p, it's bascially like having a PS4!" won't do the trick. Exclusive games or bust.
mitchman
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If Sony announces the Neo and says it'll be available next month, and MS tries to counter with announcing it for "next year", Xbox One sales are dead in its track. I doubt Sony will announce anything that they can't release shortly after, which matches the rumors saying October for the Neo.
I'm just one person but I bought a launch PS4 because it was more powerful than the X1. It also annoyed me that MS forced the purchase of a peripheral that was worthless to me. I didn't care about the relative costs. $100 isn't a big enough difference to factor much into my decision since these are infrequent purchases. If the power disparity was reversed I would have bought an X1 instead. I eventually did pick up a refurb X1 for Halo5. Later on I picked up Titanfall also. That's it...two games. I've bought everything else for the PS4 since it is more powerful. I have no brand loyalty. I'll buy whichever one is objectively better if one is clearly better. An exclusive that I decide I must have could force my hand to buy the other but then I'll still buy all the multiplats for the better system.
So I'm in the camp of waiting to find out the specs and release dates for the new consoles. If Scorpio is more powerful then I most likely switch to getting all my games for it instead. If it releases within a few months of Neo then I probably skip Neo altogether. If they are a full year apart and I see games that I want that are taking advantave of the Neo, then maybe I pick it up as a stop gap until Scorpio arrives and sell my existing PS4 to offset some of the cost.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Been called worse.
Age of Sony has come, MS never will get a chance again, it's also the best there was, is and ever will be. Don't argue the facts.
GrayDock
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I didn't read all the thread, it is too fast for my free time, and maybe it was already answered, but what options MS have in regards to the 32MB ESRAM?
As I understand, MS used the ESRAM on the X1 mostly to mitigate the lower bw of the DDR3 memory.
Would the Scorpio need the ESRAM to be full compatible, gamewise, with the X1?
MS can, and probably will, use GDDR5 for it's system, solving it's bw problem, but what about the games for the X1 that use the ESRAM advantages, like low latency?
Can MS not have the ESRAM in Scorpio and compensate with the GDDR5 or, for hw and sw X1 compatibility reasons, it must have the 32MB on die?
I'm asking mostly because the X1 APU GPU part was shruk because of the 32MB to keep the reasonable cost of the APU and this can happen again, increasing the BOM or forcing MS to not get all the power they want/need.
As I understand, MS used the ESRAM on the X1 mostly to mitigate the lower bw of the DDR3 memory.
Would the Scorpio need the ESRAM to be full compatible, gamewise, with the X1?
MS can, and probably will, use GDDR5 for it's system, solving it's bw problem, but what about the games for the X1 that use the ESRAM advantages, like low latency?
Can MS not have the ESRAM in Scorpio and compensate with the GDDR5 or, for hw and sw X1 compatibility reasons, it must have the 32MB on die?
I'm asking mostly because the X1 APU GPU part was shruk because of the 32MB to keep the reasonable cost of the APU and this can happen again, increasing the BOM or forcing MS to not get all the power they want/need.
People saying power is not a reason don't want it to be a reason.
Power and price (and price for power) were of course big reasons for 360 users to switch top ps4.
Microsoft is not going to outsell Sony in the console space worldwide with the release of Xbox Scorpio. I think Microsoft knows that. What they do want to do is get a good chunk of the gamers that they lost, back to the Xbox side of things. The problem with that view is the console isn't the war...it's just a battle in the overarching war that is ecosystems. Those sales of consoles aren't going to mean much (to MS) if (a huge if) MS is getting good software sales from PC gamers in the Windows Store and combine it with Xbox console sales. Right now MS is getting beat from Steam and Sony. It seems to me that MS wants to take away gamers from both fronts and combine it with their console players and get a healthy amount of users on their turf.
Sony knows this as well and they have to play to their strength and that's being a worldwide brand, good hardware, and a place to play all the games and do futuristic stuff like VR. Sony knows that they don't have the same reach that MS is trying to build and therefore they are trying to keep people in the Sony ecosystem by "locking" users in with the PS4 Neo with BC and make more exclusives with PSVR. It's all about perception and how you market your product.
This power struggle means nothing if you can have people feel the need to never want to leave. I keep talking about this stuff because to me, it's the most interesting part of this next round of system launches and updates to the respective platforms.
Sony knows this as well and they have to play to their strength and that's being a worldwide brand, good hardware, and a place to play all the games and do futuristic stuff like VR. Sony knows that they don't have the same reach that MS is trying to build and therefore they are trying to keep people in the Sony ecosystem by "locking" users in with the PS4 Neo with BC and make more exclusives with PSVR. It's all about perception and how you market your product.
This power struggle means nothing if you can have people feel the need to never want to leave. I keep talking about this stuff because to me, it's the most interesting part of this next round of system launches and updates to the respective platforms.
I don't know if Scorpio being more powerful will get a lot of people to switch, but I do think it will help get people who were considering an XB1 to get it as their secondary console along with their PS4 (or Neo if they are hardcore gamers).
I know a lot of people who have no desire to upgrade from the base PS4, but are interested in owning an XB1 eventually, but they've been waiting because of multiple reasons (some still though online only was a thing for example). I think rebranding the Scorpio and treating it like a new console w/ forward and backwards compatibility will help. I still see PS4 and Neo being #1, but I see more people picking up either a really cheap slim xb1 or the Scorpio as their secondary console as it's not "weaker" now or whatever reason was holding them back.
edit: Zedox also explained it really well and probably better than me
I know a lot of people who have no desire to upgrade from the base PS4, but are interested in owning an XB1 eventually, but they've been waiting because of multiple reasons (some still though online only was a thing for example). I think rebranding the Scorpio and treating it like a new console w/ forward and backwards compatibility will help. I still see PS4 and Neo being #1, but I see more people picking up either a really cheap slim xb1 or the Scorpio as their secondary console as it's not "weaker" now or whatever reason was holding them back.
edit: Zedox also explained it really well and probably better than me
The same as when 50 Cent convinced hip-hop it was all about album sales to measure a good album.
Album sales doesn't always equate to top tier album.
But Mase sold okay
Caayn
Member
What makes it funnier is that some people screamed "native 1080p" only to play those "native" 1080p games on a 4K screen.
Bitch Pudding
Member
I can tell you what would prevent me from switching: I am heavily invested in the PS eco-system. I have dozens of (digital) games, and a nice library of PS+ games. Plus PSVR at some point. Thing is, even if you're not a fan but belong the unloyal customer segment of ungrateful basterds (/s), there are still other reasons to keep faith with your old platform.