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[shadowsdarknes]

Goku was sent to earth to destroy humanity anyway right? So actually this is almost the Goku that would have existed if he hadn't hit his head and turned 'nice'.

Yeah it'd just be hard to imagine a timeline that exists in which Goku doesn't hit his head becoming ridiculously strong though.

If Goku were to wipe out Tien, Roshi, Piccolo, etc. with Oozaru and then join up with Raditz, I can't imagine a series of events that lends him to become absurdly powerful.

But I don't think your comment meant to be literal. Just that a new evil Goku is sort of a reflection on what almost did happen back when Goku was a baby.

 

[Icyflamez96]

Serious DB Super here we come.

 

[Einhander]

Interesting upcoming arc.

My take on it is that in

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Goku's universe (whether it's universe 6 or an entirely different universe), when he was a baby, one of two things could have happened: when Goku crashlanded on Earth in his saiyan pod, and was found by grandpa Gohan, he never hit his head, so he continued to be evil, and it resulted in him joining the Red Ribbon Army, and being a menace to the people of Earth, or Goku never made it to Earth, and instead, his pod was directed to a different planet to conquer.

 

[ElFly]

Yeah it'd just be hard to imagine a timeline that exists in which Goku doesn't hit his head becoming ridiculously strong though.

If Goku were to wipe out Tien, Roshi, Piccolo, etc. with Oozaru and then join up with Raditz, I can't imagine a series of events that lends him to become absurdly powerful.

But I don't think your comment meant to be literal. Just that a new evil Goku is sort of a reflection on what almost did happen back when Goku was a baby.

Dunno.

Goku seems to be all about raising to the challenge. If you take away the earth cast, the biggest challenge seems to be Freezer.

Vegeta seemed to be only one tier or two below Freezer level, so it is not unthinkable that, had things gone differently, either Kakarot or Vegeta would have reached SSJ and defeated Freezer. Vegeta seemed to be bidding his time below Freezer; if they had never gone to earth, he could have kept training in secret until he was able to take down Freezer.

After that...nothing happens until Beerus decides to go ask for Super Saiyan God. Maybe they ask the namekian dragon about it, and the ceremony takes place anyway (including Nappa and / or some sons and daughters of the Saiyan cast).

Main issue is that the saiyans only learn of the dragon balls because goku is on earth; gotta fanfiction a scenario where they eventually get them anyway so Beerus can ask about Super Saiyan God and someone can answer.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

IIRC, he read through the whole manga for the first time in ages as part of his prep work for Battle of Gods. Given the series' return to having a good amount of comedy, I suppose they seemed like a natural fit.

Serious Mai tho

 

[Icyflamez96]

Hopefully we get some new music tracks with this new arc.

 

[Zalman]

Trunks and Mai is such a random pairing. I love it.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Interesting upcoming arc.

My take on it is that in

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Goku's universe (whether it's universe 6 or an entirely different universe), when he was a baby, one of two things could have happened: when Goku crashlanded on Earth in his saiyan pod, and was found by grandpa Gohan, he never hit his head, so he continued to be evil, and it resulted in him joining the Red Ribbon Army, and being a menace to the people of Earth, or Goku never made it to Earth, and instead, his pod was directed to a different planet to conquer.

The Universes don't contain the same people and Universe 6's Saiyans aren't even evil and 6 and 7 are the only Universes with Saiyans.

 

[ElFly]

Trunks and Mai is such a random pairing. I love it.

Gotta make for awkward visits to Bulma.

Hey remember when you tried to torture me?

The Universes don't contain the same people and Universe 6's Saiyans aren't even evil and 6 and 7 are the only Universes with Saiyans.

Pfff.

Watch Toriyama ignore all that.

 

[Syntsui]

http://www.animatetimes.com/news/details.php?id=1464932927

This article says Goku Black's motivation is

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to destroy the human race.

How original huh. It's almost like he is a Saiyan.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Trunks and Mai is such a random pairing. I love it.

If Goku Black went on a rampage and the Pilaf gang live in the desert, it makes some sense that she'd be among the last survivors.

But then again that pairing did start with Battle of Gods where it was more random.

 

[ElFly]

If Goku Black went on a rampage and the Pilaf gang live in the desert, it makes some sense that she'd be among the last survivors.

But then again that pairing did start with Battle of Gods where it was more random.

Gonna assume that present Mai sees adult Future Trunks and Future Mai together and that's where she gets the idea.

 

[The Silver]

why are we spoiler tagging officially released news again, the rules keep changing dammnit.

 

[SkywardBeam]

Yeah it'd just be hard to imagine a timeline that exists in which Goku doesn't hit his head becoming ridiculously strong though.

If Goku were to wipe out Tien, Roshi, Piccolo, etc. with Oozaru and then join up with Raditz, I can't imagine a series of events that lends him to become absurdly powerful.

Sounds like a dream come true. But who knows, the

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time travel premise of the new arc holds endless possibilities. They could easily bring old characters back, Goku Black could recruit them by hopping through time. Radditz and Nappa back in the picture would be GOAT.

 

[ElFly]

Imho we should spoiler everything that's not the anime and manga releases but even I haven't been doing that 100% of the time.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Sounds like a dream come true. But who knows, the

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time travel premise of the new arc holds endless possibilities. They could easily bring old characters back, Goku Black could recruit them by hopping through time. Radditz and Nappa back in the picture would be GOAT.

Toriyama did say the plot would get complicated with "time changing here and there" so it definitely could involve some stuff like that.

 

[Russ T]

The reality is people shouldn't be so hung up on spoilers and should just say whatever they want to say whenever they want to say it. But reality doesn't allow reality. So here we are.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

Don't even joke about Raditz returning. He's arguably my favourite character design

 

[Russ T]

I wonder if Toriyama Forgot that time travel makes new branches of history and is now intending to CHANGE history directly.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

I wonder if Toriyama Forgot that time travel makes new branches of history and is now intending to CHANGE history directly.

It's his story. Maybe he changed the way time travel works? Or Bulma upgraded the time machine. Who knows?

 

[Russ T]

It's his story. Maybe he changed the way time travel works? Or Bulma upgraded the time machine. Who knows?

I mean I was just making a joke because that's the joke.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

I wonder if Toriyama Forgot that time travel makes new branches of history and is now intending to CHANGE history directly.

Maybe Goku Black has a different mean of time travel that works differently. I doubt more than two people can fit in Trunks' time machine.

 

[Russ T]

*whispers* time patrooooooool

 

[SkywardBeam]

Don't even joke about Raditz returning. He's arguably my favourite character design

My man ;_;
His hair alone is gorgeous!

#teamradditz

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

My man ;_;
His hair alone is gorgeous!

#teamradditz

At this point I'd take him back as strong as he was during the Saiyan Saga as a good guy. His design is way too cool to waste, and we need more diversity in the cast so it's not the Vegeta and Goku show.

Hell, both him and Nappa were built differently than Goku and Vegeta. They're bulkier... Their fighting styles could be completely different if either were brought back to relevance.

 

[N.Domixis]

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I know, I was referring to the fact that the human race is almost entirely gone in the future and there's nothing they can do about it.

He'll be fine, they'll probably use the super dragon balls.

 

[Einhander]

The Universes don't contain the same people and Universe 6's Saiyans aren't even evil and 6 and 7 are the only Universes with Saiyans.

All of those are baseless assumptions. We don't have a clear picture of what

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Black Goku precisely is. He could either be Goku from another universe, or someone masquerading as Goku. You're saying those things like fact, when it's possible Toei may show us evil saiyans in universe 6, or saiyans in universes other than 6 and 7 later on in the series

 

[DiipuSurotu]

*whispers* time patrooooooool

Good point. The Kai of Time did help Capsule Corps design the Time Patrol's time machines so that they wouldn't create alternate timelines.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

You guys love to speculate.

I'm going with goku black is somehow being controlled by a third party using the earrings as control devices.

 

[Meohsix]

My crazy never going to happen theory.
Mai

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appears young because she is an Android created by future Bulma and androids don't age. After Trunks killed the androids in his timeline Bulma analyzed their tech and made one of her own to help them fight future threats because everyone else is dead...

 

[ArchedThunder]

All of those are baseless assumptions. We don't have a clear picture of what

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Black Goku precisely is. He could either be Goku from another universe, or someone masquerading as Goku. You're saying those things like fact, when it's possible Toei may show us evil saiyans in universe 6, or saiyans in universes other than 6 and 7 later on in the series

No, the only reason universe 6 has Saiyans is because 6 and 7 are paired, the other universes aren't related to 6 and 7. Paired universes share races and planets, but their history is completely different, different enough that their evolution can even be different (see the Saiyans).
These are not baseless assumptions, this what is explicitly told to us.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Don't even joke about Raditz returning. He's arguably my favourite character design

my man

 

[Dagobert Duck]

Shit gets complicated...And the arc didnt Even started :-D

 

[Ashodin]

I can't wait fuck why can't it be NEXT weekend?

 

[Real Hero]

at least we get a preview!

 

[ArchedThunder]

Yeah I find it hilarious that I'm hyped for tomorrow's episode, but not for the actual episode but for the preview of 47.

 

[Erigu]

So his name is just

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Black apparently.

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Or it is until he merges with Gokū and becomes "Gokūblack".

 

[Real Hero]

Yeah I find it hilarious that I'm hyped for tomorrow's episode, but not for the actual episode but for the preview of 47.

Same, there might be a few funny monaka moments or something at least, I doubt the fight will be anything special.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

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Or it is until he merges with Gokū and becomes "Gokūblack".

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Actually, do we have any proof that this isn't OUR Goku absorbed/fused unwillingly with this Black fella?

Because he's referred to as "Black" when he shows up in Trunks' timeline.

 

[Icyflamez96]

Can't wait to see how the story actually pans out.

Fan theories are always wrong. Even though they're interesting in their own right, somehow the writers find away to do something interesting that people aren't predicting.

Or maybe now that I say that, it's gonna be something that many people are predicting.

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#TeamSuperhumanWater

 

[janoDX]

My guess...

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Black Goku is Goten corrupted by something

My other crazy theory...

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Bardock who lost his memory

 

[KingBroly]

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Actually, do we have any proof that this isn't OUR Goku absorbed/fused unwillingly with this Black fella?

Because he's referred to as "Black" when he shows up in Trunks' timeline.

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Because that'd make someone else the Hero. Can't go doing that, you know.

 

[twothunder]

I wonder what made Toriyama to start caring about Mai or Pilaf gang in general again? Next thing you know Baba will be important.

Heh. maybe it was her role DB evolution?
anyway. What i could find about it

Was the Pilaf gang appearing again also something you were particular about, Sensei? They had become children, though….

Yeah, about that. (laughs) Originally, they were just going to be petty thieves. But since we were going to have the entire cast, I thought [it wouldn’t be great if] some unknown characters just suddenly showed up. So I made them into the Pilaf gang. But you know, thinking long and hard about it after making that decision, they were all getting pretty old. (laughs)

Mai says she’s 41 years old. (laughs)

So I came up the idea that if I made them younger, they’d be just right.

They stirred things up in an unexpected role (?). I was honestly surprised at that romantic development!

Ah! Well, anyway, that’s the Pilaf gang for you. If they were to keep on appearing as villains, they’d just be easily defeated. So I figured, “maybe if I inject a little romance, the later developments will come more easily~”. (laughs) I hardly ever draw romance.

from a battle of gods interview

Trunks and Mai is such a random pairing. I love it.

same

Re: Mai, JP summaries tease she has an active role and to look forward to it or some such.

good to hear

More specifically that

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he's already gone around and brought humans nearly to extinction in the future timeline and Trunks can't do anything to stop him even as a Super Saiyan.

wow, he doesn't mess around apparently. humanity of the future has it rough

 

[shadowsdarknes]

Dunno.

Goku seems to be all about raising to the challenge. If you take away the earth cast, the biggest challenge seems to be Freezer.

Vegeta seemed to be only one tier or two below Freezer level, so it is not unthinkable that, had things gone differently, either Kakarot or Vegeta would have reached SSJ and defeated Freezer. Vegeta seemed to be bidding his time below Freezer; if they had never gone to earth, he could have kept training in secret until he was able to take down Freezer.

After that...nothing happens until Beerus decides to go ask for Super Saiyan God. Maybe they ask the namekian dragon about it, and the ceremony takes place anyway (including Nappa and / or some sons and daughters of the Saiyan cast).

Main issue is that the saiyans only learn of the dragon balls because goku is on earth; gotta fanfiction a scenario where they eventually get them anyway so Beerus can ask about Super Saiyan God and someone can answer.

Well let's imagine that Goku grows up to be somewhat like Raditz. I'm not sure if Goku getting hit on the head is what also made him stupid. He might have been kinda stupid from the get go with a thirst for battle.

If he were to join Raditz and train alongside Vegeta and Nappa, he'd probably get to be reasonably powerful. They'd be able to kill Dodoria and Zarbon in time.
The saiyans wouldn't learn to sense ki since they've killed everyone on Earth.
If Goku and Vegeta attack Frieza too early, there's no way they win.

But what would make Goku go SSJ to win? It's not clear.

At best we could hope Vegeta and Goku beat Frieza. They'd turn out to be thousands upon thousands of times stronger than their fathers without the extraordinary events that happened in DBZ. Because you're right. There's no Majin Buu, No Cell, No androids.

So if Beerus does come into the picture, it will be looking for a SSJ God I suppose.
It's a fun scenario to play out in your head.

The more I think about it, it probably has nothing to do with Universe 6 at all. And I suppose that's obvious to some people.

It's either something related to DB Xenoverse, Mira/Towa/Demigra or some other unknown entity disguised as Goku or possessing him in the future.

Makes you wonder if Beerus and Whis are involved at all. Too many questions. So few answers.

 

[Zalman]

I wonder what happened in the future timeline when Beerus went to look for a Super Saiyan God.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

I wonder what happened in the future timeline when Beerus went to look for a Super Saiyan God.

Probably nothing.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

I wonder what happened in the future timeline when Beerus went to look for a Super Saiyan God.

There can't be a prophecy so he's never waken up and taken to Earth or the Kai's planet. And because the balls are inert, he couldn't find out more information about it.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Wait,

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Black can't be all that strong considering Future Bulma took half a year to charge the time machine. Someone SSJ God tier would have obliterated the entire planet in seconds.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

Wait,

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Black can't be all that strong considering Future Bulma took half a year to charge the time machine. Someone SSJ God tier would have obliterated the entire planet in seconds.

I'm pretty sure you don't need to be even remotely as strong as a SSJ God to blow a planet up that fast.

If we count Roshi and Piccolo blowing up the moon, then it shouldn't be too much harder to blow up the Earth.

 

[ElFly]

But what would make Goku go SSJ to win? It's not clear.

At best we could hope Vegeta and Goku beat Frieza. They'd turn out to be thousands upon thousands of times stronger than their fathers without the extraordinary events that happened in DBZ. Because you're right. There's no Majin Buu, No Cell, No androids.

So if Beerus does come into the picture, it will be looking for a SSJ God I suppose.
It's a fun scenario to play out in your head.

Yeah, the main thing that allowed Goku to go Super Saiyan was the death of Krillin. Is it possible for a Saiyan who grew as a Freezer mercenary to create such bonds? Certainly Vegeta didn't go SSJ when he himself killed Nappa. In fact, maybe it was Vegeta incapability of feeling strong anger that made it difficult for him to go SSJ in the first place. He is angry all the time, but he is not Freezer-killed-Krillin-in-front-of-me angry. For him, even the destruction of planet Vegeta is kind of a theoretical slight from Freezer.

I'd assume that Goku or Vegeta got married to aliens, and Freezer killed those aliens, which triggered the SSJ transformation, would be the most reasonable way to trigger it.