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[Hockeymac18]

Yep, this is not how this works (under the pre-condition that neither Sony nor MS heavily subsidize their new consoles).

When it comes to the launch of a new console you can either be
- the earliest
- the cheapest
- the fastest

Like every project manager will tell you: Pick any two of those, but no more.

Yeah that's why I think we won't see Scorpio until late 2017 @ a possibly-higher-than-$399 price.

 

[I Reclaim3mer 117]

What's with the rush to downplay and doom a device that hasn't been announced officially or put into any sort of context? Is it because it's rumored to me more powerful then the Neo? The idea that the Xbox one is a failure because there's a product on the market selling better is this real? This is absurd so if ps4 goes on to sell 140 million Ltd and Xbox one goes on to sell 100 million ltd it's a failure? Neither will be failures Sony just happened to be more successful. Why is it that we can't appreciate things that further the medium we love without having to tear one thing down based on validation of our preferences. I'm sure the Neo will be successful and if you like that Ecosystem you'll continue to enjoy it and people that love the Microsoft Eco system will enjoy having more choices. Which seems to be the direction Microsoft is heading in which is only a good thing for us consumers. You have a choice to buy it or not to.

 

[MilkyJoe]

The desire for Scorpio to fail. Special shout out to the post that says it needs to retail at the same, future, price of a vanilla PS4 whenever it drops, or it will be doa. Rather quite extraordinary.

 

[bidguy]

What's with the rush to downplay and doom a device that hasn't been announced officially or put into any sort of context? Is it because it's rumored to me more powerful then the Neo? The idea that the Xbox one is a failure because there's a product on the market selling better is this real? This is absurd so if ps4 goes on to sell 140 million Ltd and Xbox one goes on to sell 100 million ltd it's a failure? Neither will be failures Sony just happened to be more successful. Why is it that we can't appreciate things that further the medium we love without having to tear one thing down based on validation of our preferences. I'm sure the Neo will be successful and if you like that Ecosystem you'll continue to enjoy it and people that love the Microsoft Eco system will enjoy having more choices. Which seems to be the direction Microsoft is heading in which is only a good thing for us consumers. You have a choice to buy it or not to.

probably because they wanna get the neo and realise its gonna be a miniscule upgrade because the cpu is trash tier for todays standards

gotta make yourself feel better about your future hardware one way or another i guess

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Making it UWP doesn't make them run well on PC (see QB), devs will need to heavily optimize for PC still.

Of course, but it streamlines some of the process. As well as widening the reach of the Xbox brand across multiple platforms.

Plus Quantum Break was a port of an Xbox One game and all the performance issues that come with it. Scorpio will become the new baseline

 

[onQ123]

Depends on the price. If the price is right it'll sell shitloads.

I agree, just not initially. I don't think they think it will sell well until they can get some price drops. With the UWP and people still being able to use an XBO to play the games, I'm sure they just want a high end console for gamers that want it and most gamers would just get the cheaper option. I fully agree with you that they are trying to make UWP the main development platform (and I do think that they'll succeed in that area over the course of like 3 years but definitely not out the gate)

This is a really smart move by MS because making this highend Windows 10 ready made Multimedia Computer will put pressure on Dell & other PC makers to also make highend Windows 10 Multimedia Computers & it don't really matter which company you buy your Multimedia Computer from as long as it's the Windows store that you're connecting to to buy software.

 

[Primethius]

What's with the rush to downplay and doom a device that hasn't been announced officially or put into any sort of context? Is it because it's rumored to me more powerful then the Neo? The idea that the Xbox one is a failure because there's a product on the market selling better is this real? This is absurd so if ps4 goes on to sell 140 million Ltd and Xbox one goes on to sell 100 million ltd it's a failure? Neither will be failures Sony just happened to be more successful. Why is it that we can't appreciate things that further the medium we love without having to tear one thing down based on validation of our preferences. I'm sure the Neo will be successful and if you like that Ecosystem you'll continue to enjoy it and people that love the Microsoft Eco system will enjoy having more choices. Which seems to be the direction Microsoft is heading in which is only a good thing for us consumers. You have a choice to buy it or not to.

Sales talk isn't downplaying anything. It's a very important metric for the platform of Xbox going forward.

And those LTD numbers are absurd.

 

[I Reclaim3mer 117]

The desire for Scorpio to fail. Special shout out to the post that says it needs to retail at the same, future, price of a vanilla PS4 whenever it drops, or it will be doa. Rather quite extraordinary.

It's quite insane actually. The merits are just as ridiculous. It's a shame cause all this hate and doom for Scorpio is all from people not being a able to wave the stick in the other person face about console fps and resolution. When they felt they choose the Sony console now Microsoft wants to change their narrative.

 

[LukasTaves]

Making it UWP doesn't make them run well on PC (see QB), devs will need to heavily optimize for PC still.

QB is not badly optimized. It had many issues on PC but it's a game that pushes the hardware and that are doing stuff no other game is doing right now.


The only game thus far that was poorly optimized was Gears Ultimate, but it was an attempt of shoeing dx12 into a retooled 10 year old engine

 

[Sydle]

Stupid question from a never owned a gaming PC guy....most PC games are available on Steam? You then also have the EA store, and the MS store, right? Those two stores are limited, and each store's games aren't available on each other's store, right?

What I'm getting at is this (I think).....for me, MS would be doing great things if they could allow me to play all those awesome PC games that I keep hearing so much about. If they could do that, with a powerful console that could make them look/run great, I think that could be huge. From what I hear/understand, Steam won't be coming to my future Xbox, but does MS have access to games on the Steam store?

There are tons of games on Steam, but not everything. For example, World of Warcraft, StarCraft, Hearthstone, and World of Tanks are not available for purchase on the Steam store. You could get them from their respective sources and add them to your Steam library, allowing you to launch them from the Steam interface.

On Windows 10 PC, you can add non-Windows Store games to the Xbox app and launch them from there. Perhaps they could make it so the Xbox console allows you to get games from multiple sources and automate adding it your Xbox library?

I think MS would prefer devs convert their Win32 programs to UWPs and add them to the Windows Store.

It would be cool if MS allowed you to link your Xbox account to other stores like Origin, Steam, GoG, Uplay, etc. If you own a license for a game from any of those stores and it's available on the Windows Store then you have it there, too.

 

[...Scatter...]

Potentially underrated smart move by MS: Not investing their own resources to champion VR and potentially leveraging an existing hardware maker instead to not further fracture a fledgling emerging technology.

This would have been the Kinect albatross all over again. When they look at these peripherals they should evaluate their ROI individually as a standalone product and not force it on people. OG Kinect was relatively successful but not everyone wanted it. Added needless cost to the launch and shaped the XBO hardware config for the worst. I can tell my console is sluggish going from Halo 5 or Overwatch to the dash because those games disable Kinect recognition except for the voice recognition. When you go to dash it restarts the Kinect sensors and adds unnecessary lag.

 

[onQ123]

Of course, but it streamlines some of the process. As well as widening the reach of the Xbox brand across multiple platforms.

Plus Quantum Break was a port of an Xbox One game and all the performance issues that come with it. Scorpio will become the new baseline

No it will not! Xbox One will still be the baseline.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

People are acting like Microsoft has to do some hardcore work to improve their image, but in reality the image of Xbox is perfectly fine. Xbox is an extremely popular and well respected brand. They just launched their new product with some circumstances being in Sony's favor, the biggest among them being price, and it obviously had a cementing effect on consumer preferences moving forward.

Each new product represents a fresh start, with consumers willing to give that product a serious look. Not all potential buyers of videogame consoles are so hardcore that they will never give another option some serious consideration. People that may have gone ps4 instead of xbox one after owning just xbox 360, aren't somehow automatically opposed to getting a newer xbox. It's all in how Microsoft presents this new system, it's cost, and what they can ultimate offer for that asking price. Buyers will be there.

 

[AmyS]

So, besides what the rumor says about timing, what's the reasoning for thinking that an upgraded Xbox would be a year and a half from now rather than end of this calendar year? Why not do it to go head to head with PSVR this October/November and announce day-one Oculus compatibility along with access to Oculus-exclusive games in addition to whatever multiplatform VR has released or is coming this year? I mean, whatever the timing, it's going to be an expensive product for both MS and consumers looking at the hardware jump at this stage. If you're on a trajectory that cannot possibly get better with the current model, why wait so long to make waves to correct the course of your brand when we're looking at a possibly open-ended generational length thanks to hardware refreshes happening every few years rather than every four to six?

The currently unlikely and hopeful best bet from MS' side would be to introduce a cheaper-to-manufacture slim revision for the low-end ($249-$299), kill production of and sell out of the current model (Kinect port/HDMI-in) for $349, and introduce the high end model ($499) for enthusiasts that works with VR ($599). Waiting until 2017 feels like it won't have any effect on the commanding sales momentum Sony has with PS4, so beating them to their updated console's release seems like the only real way to go. Sure, the costs of manufacture would be much less for MS releasing it next year, but their brand has lost its strength outside of current dedicated owners and you don't turn that around in the current setup through software alone and you don't do it by letting your competitor go first every step of the way.

Personally, I have serious doubts about introducing new hardware this soon for either platform, but if you're going to try to change the situation, you've got to take some serious risks and pay for them upfront in sacrificed profitability.

Some of the hardware that many are speculating / expect might be in Scorpio won't be available for regular PCs until the end of the year (i.e. Zen CPU) so no way does Scorpio launch before Q2 / Spring 2017.

These newer technologies, if some of them are going to be featured in Scorpio, need to be ramped up in production. Also, Zen based APUs for PC/laptops are not expected to hit the market until mid 2017. Unless Microsoft doesn't mind releasing a $600 console this fall (absolute suicide) Scorpio shouldn't be expected until sometime between spring and fall next year, at $400 to $500. I'm hoping for at least 1 or 2 out of the 3 new technologies (Zen, HBM2, Vega).

 

[I Reclaim3mer 117]

Sales talk isn't downplaying anything. It's a very important metric for the platform of Xbox going forward.

And those LTD numbers are absurd.

Your point would be valid If the system was not profitable which it has been since day one or wasn't outselling the last console Microsoft put out which it's also doing. If it goes on to outsell the 360 ltd how's that a failure? If the 99 dollar rumored version is real those ltd numbers won't be absurd. Secondly I don't think Microsoft was coming into this generation gunning for sales of hardware leader if they were they wouldn't have created a online only connected device. They came in trying to maximize Xbox live subs and driving Xbox one to be the device people came home to watch tv and nextflix. If they could have sold 60 million on those boxes with everyone sub to their Eco system they'd trade that for 150 million sold unconnected boxes. Hardware sales aren't the end all be all here.

 

[Primethius]

Your point would be valid If the system was not profitable which it has been since day one or wasn't outselling the last console Microsoft put out which it's also doing. If it goes on to outsell the 360 ltd how's that a failure? If the 99 dollar rumored version is real those ltd numbers won't be absurd. Secondly I don't think Microsoft was coming into this generation gunning for sales of hardware leader if they were they wouldn't have created a online only connected device. They came in trying to maximize Xbox live subs and driving Xbox one to be the device people came home to watch tv and nextflix. If they could have sold 60 million on those boxes with everyone sub to their Eco system they'd trade that for 150 million sold unconnected boxes. Hardware sales aren't the end all be all here.

The XB1 isn't hitting 360 LTD, no where close. Outselling 360 tells me you haven't really been following the sales all that closely. It's not doing well WW, and it'll fall behind 360 soon.

Don't let sales reality get in the way of your fanboyism.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

No it will not! Xbox One will still be the baseline.

Yawn.

Also, still pushing the set top box multimedia dell machine I see? Microsoft are leaving the industry etc.

No, this is a next gen Xbox games console, no matter how much you and others clearly fear it.

 

[I Reclaim3mer 117]

The XB1 isn't hitting 360 LTD, no where close. Outselling 360 tells me you haven't really been following the sales all that closely. It's not doing well WW, and it'll fall behind 360 soon.

Don't let sales reality get in the way of your fanboyism.

Fanboyism? How old are you I don't have console preferences I play great games on all my systems. So you're saying that I'm correct but it will fall behind soon with no facts to back it up. You don't know the future you're just speculating non sense.

 

[gamz]

The XB1 isn't hitting 360 LTD, no where close. Outselling 360 tells me you haven't really been following the sales all that closely. It's not doing well WW, and it'll fall behind 360 soon.

Don't let sales reality get in the way of your fanboyism.

XB1 won't last 8 years either. Sales are meaningless last gen because it was money loser for Sony and MS. Sales are only used for a pissing contest last generation.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Some of the hardware that many are speculating / expect might be in Scorpio won't be available for regular PCs until the end of the year (i.e. Zen CPU) so no way does Scorpio launch before Q2 / Spring 2017.

These newer technologies, if some of them are going to be featured in Zen, need to be ramped up in production.

So, the details of the rumor and timing is based on what fits with AMD's publicly-revealed product roadmap?

 

[Leyasu]

Don't let sales reality get in the way of your fanboyism.

I would be careful throwing around words like fanboy. Especially when every post of yours in this thread is either to downplay the thing, or outright dismiss it because of reasons. Just the last page being a prime example...

 

[AmyS]

So, the details of the rumor and timing is based on what fits with AMD's publicly-revealed product roadmap?

Honestly, I don't know. But I'm expecting only a semi-custom design, not something completely custom like Xbox 360 / Xenon + Xenos. Plus, parts still need to be manufactured. I'm not saying a fall 2016 cannot happen, it just seems much less likely than 2017.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

No, this is a next gen Xbox games console, no matter how much you and others clearly fear it.

I agree if there will be exclusive non-VR games right from the start. If it has to share the same library as XBOX One ("Scorpio mode"), then no, it's not.

 

[JaggedSac]

I always thought MAU was a cop out for shit sales but it's actually interesting to see this strategy unfolding.

They did that both for their new strategy and poop sales, lol.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

I agree if there will be exclusive non-VR games right from the start. If it has to share the same library as XBOX One ("Scorpio mode"), then no, it's not.

Yes, that's fair enough and I agree with those terms. However I do believe it will be the case, though perhaps not in the first year or so.

I think just because we have heard Sony's plans, people automatically assume MS will be doing the same.

We shall see.

 

[Zedox]

They did that both for their new strategy and poop sales, lol.

yep yep.

 

[gamz]

They did that both for their new strategy and poop sales, lol.

Of course.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

Yes, that's fair enough and I agree with those terms. However I do believe it will be the case, though perhaps not in the first year or so.

I think just because we have heard Sony's plans, people automatically assume MS will be doing the same.

We shall see.

I for one have absolutely no idea what's going to happen . But if they want to take a different route than Sony does (forced Neo mode, but not even exclusive game modes let alone games), there might be exclusives. But I think it's super exciting!

 

[mrklaw]

So, besides what the rumor says about timing, what's the reasoning for thinking that an upgraded Xbox would be a year and a half from now rather than end of this calendar year? Why not do it to go head to head with PSVR this October/November and announce day-one Oculus compatibility along with access to Oculus-exclusive games in addition to whatever multiplatform VR has released or is coming this year? I mean, whatever the timing, it's going to be an expensive product for both MS and consumers looking at the hardware jump at this stage. If you're on a trajectory that cannot possibly get better with the current model, why wait so long to make waves to correct the course of your brand when we're looking at a possibly open-ended generational length thanks to hardware refreshes happening every few years rather than every four to six?

The currently unlikely and hopeful best bet from MS' side would be to introduce a cheaper-to-manufacture slim revision for the low-end ($249-$299), kill production of and sell out of the current model (Kinect port/HDMI-in) for $349, and introduce the high end model ($499) for enthusiasts that works with VR ($599). Waiting until 2017 feels like it won't have any effect on the commanding sales momentum Sony has with PS4, so beating them to their updated console's release seems like the only real way to go. Sure, the costs of manufacture would be much less for MS releasing it next year, but their brand has lost its strength outside of current dedicated owners and you don't turn that around in the current setup through software alone and you don't do it by letting your competitor go first every step of the way.

Personally, I have serious doubts about introducing new hardware this soon for either platform, but if you're going to try to change the situation, you've got to take some serious risks and pay for them upfront in sacrificed profitability.

tech mostly I think. If they are still going for an APU approach, and a GPU with Vega level performance (which itself isn't due until the end of this year), then you end up with a potentially very big chip, and AMD/Nvidia simply aren't able to produce those at anything like the volumes and price that you'd need for an affordable console.

 

[icespide]

one things for sure. Microsoft is in a better position to abandon the Xbox One as a baseline a lot sooner than Sony with the PS4. that could be interesting.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Snip

 

[cyberheater]

I don't think it will do well on non-US market no matter what price. Maybe UK.

Unfortunately MS squandered significant market share with releasing underpowered hardware and the nightmare of being forced to backtrack on their perceived anti consumer plans for Xbox One. They really fucked things up.

I can't see Scorpio changing that.

 

[onQ123]

Yawn.

Also, still pushing the set top box multimedia dell machine I see? Microsoft are leaving the industry etc.

No, this is a next gen Xbox games console, no matter how much you and others clearly fear it.

Why would MS leave the industry? you're so caught up on thinking that someone is down talking MS that you can't see that the Dell & other Windows 10 Multimedia Computers is a win for MS & exactly what they want because it would be like becoming the Android of the living room.

The same way they continue to make Surface tablets while other companies also make Windows 10 tablets they will continue to make Xbox Multimedia Computers.

 

[gamz]

Unfortunately MS squandered significant market share with releasing underpowered hardware and the nightmare of being forced to backtrack on their perceived anti consumer plans for Xbox One. They really fucked things up.

I can't see Scorpio changing that.

Or it can.

 

[KinofChaos]

Or it can.

There is no way it can....even with all the screw ups sony made with PS3, being more expensive, 16 months later in europe it didn't matter. Chances of Sony screwing up as bad or worse again is slim. MS best bet is to try and maintain their fanbase in US/UK

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

one things for sure. Microsoft is in a better position to abandon the Xbox One as a baseline a lot sooner than Sony with the PS4. that could be interesting.

Precisely. Smaller install base. Bigger performance gulf between XB1 > Scorpio than PS4 > Neo. Etc.

Something has to give. I just don't think it's realistic to make full use of the new machine whilst somehow making everything run on the weak XB1.

It's (likely) a whole new CPU, a completely different RAM setup and 4x+ more GPU power.

Having a clean break from the XB1 is going to be much more beneficial in the long run.

Anyway, we shall see!

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Yes, that's fair enough and I agree with those terms. However I do believe it will be the case, though perhaps not in the first year or so.

I think just because we have heard Sony's plans, people automatically assume MS will be doing the same.

We shall see.

Phil Spencer talked about doing pretty much what Sony is doing before Neo info even leaked.

 

[etta]

one things for sure. Microsoft is in a better position to abandon the Xbox One as a baseline a lot sooner than Sony with the PS4. that could be interesting.

Yea honestly the more I think about this, if it really is launching a full year after Neo, I think their only play is to call it a new generation. If Neo is $399 in 2016 and Scorpio $399 in 2017, Neo will be able to undercut it. Unless maybe Neo targets the $499 price in 2016 with that better CPU and Scorpio targets $399, then they will both be the same price in fall 2017.
Unless Scorpio is not a full year behind, if it's six months or less behind then I think they can get away with it because Neo won't slash prices that soon, maybe just at launch of Scorpio $50 off but temporary.

 

[I Reclaim3mer 117]

Unfortunately MS squandered significant market share with releasing underpowered hardware and the nightmare of being forced to backtrack on their perceived anti consumer plans for Xbox One. They really fucked things up.

I can't see Scorpio changing that.

You really think if some one puts out the best product on the market people won't buy it because they have a grudge from supposedly anti consumer plans that never saw the light of day? I'm sorry but that's not the way the world works. We live in a what have you done for me lately world I'm not going to not buy something good based on past hypothetical scenarios.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Phil Spencer talked about doing pretty much what Sony is doing before Neo info even leaked.

This is correct

"When you look at the console space, I believe we will see more hardware innovation in the console space than we've ever seen. You'll actually see us come out with new hardware capability during a generation allowing the same games to run backward and forward compatible because we have a Universal Windows Application running on top of the Universal Windows Platform that allows us to focus more and more on hardware innovation without invalidating the games that run on that platform."

 

[MightyHedgehog]

tech mostly I think. If they are still going for an APU approach, and a GPU with Vega level performance (which itself isn't due until the end of this year), then you end up with a potentially very big chip, and AMD/Nvidia simply aren't able to produce those at anything like the volumes and price that you'd need for an affordable console.

I think drawing a line straight across to what AMD is doing next year might be the wrong way to imagine an updated platform when DX12 features allow MS a lot of room to figure out how to punch up its current hardware configuration while retaining compatibility with vanilla X1.

 

[KinofChaos]

You really think if some one puts out the best product on the market people won't buy it because they have a grudge from supposedly anti consumer plans that never saw the light of day? I'm sorry but that's not the way the world works. We live in a what have you done for me lately world I'm not going to not buy something good based on past hypothetical scenarios.

It is going to take a lot more then more power for people world wide to leave Playstation and go to xbox, you are over valuing what effect extra power will have. It doesn't work that way. The ps3 ran most games worse , was 16 months late and more expensive then 360 yet still sold more launch aligned. xbox came out after ps and was a lot more powerful, ps2 steam rolled it sales wise. ..... Just having more TFLOPS <> better product.

 

[cyberheater]

Or it can.

Sony would have to fuck up big style for that to happen and that isn't going to happen.

I'm a huge Xbox fanboy and even I didn't pick an XB1 because I was so disappointed with the hardware. By the time Scorpio comes out. I'll be so far deep into PSVR that I won't even care. I fear MS has lost me.

 

[Zedox]

Ah, the fear of change. The thought that Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Steam, etc...won't ever fuck up and you or others won't change if they do is downright crazy. But whatever, people will believe what they will. 9 more days.

 

[cyberheater]

You really think if some one puts out the best product on the market people won't buy it because they have a grudge from supposedly anti consumer plans that never saw the light of day? I'm sorry but that's not the way the world works. We live in a what have you done for me lately world I'm not going to not buy something good based on past hypothetical scenarios.

It won't matter. Sony dominant markets will remain Sony's. Amazing hardware won't change that.

 

[KinofChaos]

Ah, the fear of change. The thought that Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Steam, etc...won't ever fuck up and you or others won't change if they do is downright crazy. But whatever, people will believe what they will. 9 more days.

Not a single person has said this.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

You really think if some one puts out the best product on the market people won't buy it because they have a grudge from supposedly anti consumer plans that never saw the light of day? I'm sorry but that's not the way the world works. We live in a what have you done for me lately world I'm not going to not buy something good based on past hypothetical scenarios.

So, when exactly is a console "the best product on the market?". As much as I agree that performance is an important factor, "just" delivering the most powerful one doesn't translate into being the "best". Value-for-money and the software library for example also have to be taken into account here.

My point is: Some here seem to think that the only thing MS has to do to regain the XBOX 360 market shares is delivering the fastest console. But obviously it's not that easy, now isn't it?

 

[...Scatter...]

It is going to take a lot more then more power for people world wide to leave Playstation and go to xbox, you are over valuing what effect extra power will have. It doesn't work that way. The ps3 ran most games worse , was 16 months late and more expensive then 360 yet still sold more launch aligned. xbox came out after ps and was a lot more powerful, ps2 steam rolled it sales wise. ..... Just having more TFLOPS <> better product.

It was also the cheapest Blu-Ray player on the market for a good long while. I'm sure that helped in Europe too.

 

[Zeta Oni]

It is going to take a lot more then more power for people world wide to leave Playstation and go to xbox, you are over valuing what effect extra power will have. It doesn't work that way. The ps3 ran most games worse , was 16 months late and more expensive then 360 yet still sold more launch aligned..... Just having more TFLOPS <> better product.

Hey, your back in here?!?

You never answered my question!!

Here, I'll quote it all for you in case you forgot:

Huh? The xbox first launched 1.5 years later then Ps2 and ps3 was more powerful then 360. How did 360 "Blow away" ps3 in hardware?



ok, there is no need for condescension, I never said it would not be




People repeat things when they are true.

So, the fact that the OG Xbox released a year and a half after the PS2 is your argument...

But then you list ps3 as more powerful then the 360 without blinking an eye...

I guess forgetting that the ps3 released a year after the Xbox 360?

Bit of a double standard, no?

I've been just dying with anticipation for your answer.

Try not to bail out of the thread and come back when the coast is clear this time tho.

 

[onQ123]

Precisely. Smaller install base. Bigger performance gulf between XB1 > Scorpio than PS4 > Neo. Etc.

Something has to give. I just don't think it's realistic to make full use of the new machine whilst somehow making everything run on the weak XB1.

It's (likely) a whole new CPU, a completely different RAM setup and 4x+ more GPU power.

Having a clean break from the XB1 is going to be much more beneficial in the long run.

Anyway, we shall see!

So you think MS is going to say hey devs make UWP games that don't work on one of our most successful Windows 10/ DX12 platforms?


I think you are missing the most important points of UWP.