This IS the plan if I'm not mistaken.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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This IS the plan if I'm not mistaken.
Dinky Dino
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If they do this, it would be pretty dumb not to give the pc versions specific tools to make content with like Bethesda does. I mean if they're gonna put it on pc they might as well get free content out of it for all their users.
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Sounds good to me. It's one of the few things I think consoles excel in. Great 10ft. interface and forced controller support (damn you Bioware!).
Steve McQueen
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I'm no tech guy, so while this certainly sounds exciting, what's the point in releasing specs so early? I mean, a year from now there tech will evolve , there will be new possibilties and the announced specs will be less spectacular than they sound now. Is it just to say ' console A will be better that console B, so you better wait' or am I missing something?
They didn't release specs yet.
I doubt it. I think that if Scalebound is going to be released on PC (which i'm hoping it will be), that when the devs get the kits for Scorpio, they "scale" it (pun not intended) for that system. Seeing as if you are doing development on PC and probably want to take advantage of what the PC offers, you would get a more powerful system than the Scorpio, so it would be inbetween XBO power and max PC power.
That's the idea. That's what makes it interesting to me is that you'll have games that are on PC from smaller devs actually have the ability to put those games on the console as well (without having to have a contract with MS unless you want XBL capabilities). Also you have the opposite where games like Madden that are usually only on console, could (hopefully) come to PC as well. I think it's good for both PC gamers and console gamers to get games that they usually aren't able to.
dragonelite
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They already announced a Halo 5 forge mode for the pc if im not mistaken.
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Depends on release date. If it's quarter 1 2017 it makes sense. You don't want to piss off a bunch of gamers by hiding the fact you have a new product just to sell more at Christmas.
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no point, these sites have wrong info. Its either release info is wrong, or reveal info is wrong.
As I said no company will be revealing a big product when they can't say "You can pre-order it today, it comes out in couple of months"
Just not happening, not a chance.
Steve McQueen
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Okay, that could be it. Thought it was a fall 2017 release, but maybe I've misread.
Dinky Dino
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Forge looks neat but can you import custom content in it or just use the assets they give you and move them around or completely change the movement mechanics? I remember the earlier counter strikes having unique mods and maps that you needed to download custom content from the servers. Some mods even became completely different games. Allowing you to change the game at that degree would be nice and would definitely bring them in the spotlight. It would also lead to new game modes that would become popular and could be moved to the xbox once it was balanced/established on pc.
I mean I'm sure everyone has seen what people can do with Betheda's tools. Just saying it would be a waste not to do it considering minecraft (which they bought up) was such a game that became huge through that process.
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I'm guessing MS will enable and support cross-platform play, but it'll be up to developers to choose whether to support it.
Bitch Pudding
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Jup, damn all those people who neither share your enthusiasm nor your opinion. Where did you get that "focus on core games" part, btw, isn't that Phil's mantra since he's head of XBOX?
Oh, and just so you know, I for one think they are making the right decisions right now. Just doing the same what Sony does won't change anything, so it's clever to try something else.
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It's been a palpable shift away from TV, Kinect, Sports, etc. They have Rare back to making games. Started The Coalition. Released some key titles on PC. You know, gaming. Do you disagree?
Scorpio with Mouse & Keyboard compatibility? Good lord, I'd be very happy if I could play the new Warhammer Dawn of War on the Xbox with this compatibility.
LukasTaves
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Indeed, but they have keyboard and mouse support incoming, and demoed a tool that let you take a game from the steam package and create a uwa package that can be deployed to the store or xbox.
I'm sure they will try to push devs to port their games
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I think it would open up the box to RTS and MMO games which would be great.
This is weird even for you Zedox.
justsomeguy
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It is known
Steve McQueen
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Good point. Wonder if MS will announce anything at E3
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I think he means post release. After Ballmer moved on to fuck up the Clippers and Mattrick moved on to sink the ship with Zynga.
Well if you are already getting killed in sells of your current console & everyone is getting excited about the PS4 Neo that might be releasing in the next few months why not have a controlled leak of your more powerful Multimedia Computer?
I don't think we are getting any Scorpio news this year besides from "leaks". A fall release of next year seems likely and a Spring 2017 announcement is almost a guarantee. What I'm more interested in is Redstone 2 and what features will be coming to Windows 10 and therefore Xbox. I'm surprised we haven't gotten any hardware leaks for the Neo and Xbox Slim...if they are coming out in a couple of months, they should soon be manufacturing. Well, I know MS has been locking down on their hardware unveils. Oh well...a little over a week left. 
28k on the same day.
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28k on the same day.
Scorpio certainly has the mind share judging by this thread. Controlled leak or not mission accomplished. Can't imagine what the thread would be like if they talk about in E3.
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Imagine if they show games running on it and Sony shows games running on NEO. Pandemonium. Comparing grass blades.
therealbigrich
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This thread will keep going strong until e3 then depending on announcements could go a lot longer lol
Believe me, you're not the only one thinking this, and neither am I. There are plenty of liked-minded posts by other members in this thread and other ones. Obviously the Scorpio is rumor and it having Vega/HMB2/Zen is pure speculation right now, but that definitely would represent a major advancement over the current PS4/XB1 architecture wise. Even without knowing details such as; how powerful of a Vega GPU, how much HBM2, what bandwidth and how many Zen cores and how fast are they clocked, etc.
Yea, I think this thread will keep going until something else leaks...or E3.
dragonelite
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It does kinda feel like 2013 again... xD
Depends on the price. If the price is right it'll sell shitloads.
I agree, just not initially. I don't think they think it will sell well until they can get some price drops. With the UWP and people still being able to use an XBO to play the games, I'm sure they just want a high end console for gamers that want it and most gamers would just get the cheaper option. I fully agree with you that they are trying to make UWP the main development platform (and I do think that they'll succeed in that area over the course of like 3 years but definitely not out the gate)
Primethius
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The pricing also depends on the time frames in which both Neo and Scorpio release. For Scorpio to truly be effective, it needs to be extremely close in price or the same price as Neo. Not Neo when it launched, but Neo 6-7 months later when Scorpio launches.
Otherwise, it'll face an uphill battle despite the more powerful specs as it'll get relegated to largely the core crowd.
Disagree. Once the marketing kicks in it's going to sell.
We said the same about the Elite controller. Who would buy a 150 controller? The youtube video released, we were salivating, and people bought.
Primethius
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These are two diffrent products. If the Scorpio is aiming to sell millions, marketing alone isn't going to do that.
LlamaJohnson
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Stupid question from a never owned a gaming PC guy....most PC games are available on Steam? You then also have the EA store, and the MS store, right? Those two stores are limited, and each store's games aren't available on each other's store, right?
What I'm getting at is this (I think).....for me, MS would be doing great things if they could allow me to play all those awesome PC games that I keep hearing so much about. If they could do that, with a powerful console that could make them look/run great, I think that could be huge. From what I hear/understand, Steam won't be coming to my future Xbox, but does MS have access to games on the Steam store?
What I'm getting at is this (I think).....for me, MS would be doing great things if they could allow me to play all those awesome PC games that I keep hearing so much about. If they could do that, with a powerful console that could make them look/run great, I think that could be huge. From what I hear/understand, Steam won't be coming to my future Xbox, but does MS have access to games on the Steam store?
Primethius
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That's an interesting view. I doubt that unless it's priced extremely competitively.
I'm not sure why a premium Xbox branded device would sell to degrees that the XB1 really hasn't so far outside of a couple instances.
therealbigrich
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Millions don't sound out or the que. 1 or 2 million early sounds plausible didn't X1 sell like 3 million at release
Right.
Primethius
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Sure. But that was the launch of a new gen coming off one of the longest gens. Scorpio isn't selling to that kind of base nor coming off those kinds of factors.
Hockeymac18
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I think best case scenario for MS in regards to maximizing Scorpio's impact would be a spring 2017 release, and either price matching or giving it a very slight price increase (~$50) compared to Neo. MS would likely have to sell this thing for a loss in any of these situations considering rumored specs.
I don't think this will happen though...I think it will be Neo in late 2016 or early 2017 with a $399 price. And Scorpio would be late 2017 around $449 (although I could see them going for $399 - just not sure how willing they are to take a loss).
Would love to be wrong, though - would be cool to see two high-end systems release around the same time.
MightyHedgehog
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So, besides what the rumor says about timing, what's the reasoning for thinking that an upgraded Xbox would be a year and a half from now rather than end of this calendar year? Why not do it to go head to head with PSVR this October/November and announce day-one Oculus compatibility along with access to Oculus-exclusive games in addition to whatever multiplatform VR has released or is coming this year? I mean, whatever the timing, it's going to be an expensive product for both MS and consumers looking at the hardware jump at this stage. If you're on a trajectory that cannot possibly get better with the current model, why wait so long to make waves to correct the course of your brand when we're looking at a possibly open-ended generational length thanks to hardware refreshes happening every few years rather than every four to six?
The currently unlikely and hopeful best bet from MS' side would be to introduce a cheaper-to-manufacture slim revision for the low-end ($249-$299), kill production of and sell out of the current model (Kinect port/HDMI-in) for $349, and introduce the high end model ($499) for enthusiasts that works with VR ($599). Waiting until 2017 feels like it won't have any effect on the commanding sales momentum Sony has with PS4, so beating them to their updated console's release seems like the only real way to go. Sure, the costs of manufacture would be much less for MS releasing it next year, but their brand has lost its strength outside of current dedicated owners and you don't turn that around in the current setup through software alone and you don't do it by letting your competitor go first every step of the way.
Personally, I have serious doubts about introducing new hardware this soon for either platform, but if you're going to try to change the situation, you've got to take some serious risks and pay for them upfront in sacrificed profitability.
The currently unlikely and hopeful best bet from MS' side would be to introduce a cheaper-to-manufacture slim revision for the low-end ($249-$299), kill production of and sell out of the current model (Kinect port/HDMI-in) for $349, and introduce the high end model ($499) for enthusiasts that works with VR ($599). Waiting until 2017 feels like it won't have any effect on the commanding sales momentum Sony has with PS4, so beating them to their updated console's release seems like the only real way to go. Sure, the costs of manufacture would be much less for MS releasing it next year, but their brand has lost its strength outside of current dedicated owners and you don't turn that around in the current setup through software alone and you don't do it by letting your competitor go first every step of the way.
Personally, I have serious doubts about introducing new hardware this soon for either platform, but if you're going to try to change the situation, you've got to take some serious risks and pay for them upfront in sacrificed profitability.
Bitch Pudding
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If it offers an amazing bang for 399 bucks, then I don't see why it cannot reach those numbers. MS has a huge fanbase of enthusiasts, which will buy day 1.
That said, if they position Scorpio as the premium product within their hardware portfolio (in other words: $499+) then it will have a hard time gaining 7 digit sales anytime soon.
That said, if they position Scorpio as the premium product within their hardware portfolio (in other words: $499+) then it will have a hard time gaining 7 digit sales anytime soon.
Bitch Pudding
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Yep, this is not how this works (under the pre-condition that neither Sony nor MS heavily subsidize their new consoles).
When it comes to the launch of a new console you can either be
- the earliest
- the cheapest
- the fastest
Like every project manager will tell you: Pick any two of those, but no more.
Making it UWP doesn't make them run well on PC (see QB), devs will need to heavily optimize for PC still.