France considers new ratings and incentives to combat sexism in video games

What the fuck is this?



This is virtually enforcing censorship of art. This would also absolutely hurt Japanese games, which always tend to be very sexist.
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if one actually cares about "censorship enforcement", they should be fighting the ratings system that already exists on every country that has videogames ever. Just look at consoles. You can't publish a AO game there, and every single publisher and dev ever that make such content scales back on what they do to be able to get less than AO. That's a far bigger issue than this is.
 
you don't think this is the slightest bit hyperbolic?

If it were in reference to this article yes. But based on the happenings of the last couple years not so much. Just look here at NeoGaf, seems a large portion are major advocates of widespread censorship (though most call it something else like "protecting" someone).
 
I'm not a fan of these types of tax credits or subsidies, just a form of crony capitalism.

they can certainly be used that way but that's not what's happening in this case.

this whole thing seems kinda weird. gonna have to think about it some.
 
If it were in reference to this article yes. But based on the happenings of the last couple years not so much. Just look here at NeoGaf, seems a large portion are major advocates of widespread censorship (though most call it something else like "protecting" someone).

what censorship are you talking about?
 
"encourage the production of video games that promote equality between men and women," and to address "topics related to sexism and violence against women."

I see this line and I'm not sure what to make of especially in regards to violence as to me violence in most games is nearly always against men. If there were "equality" in regards to that, would there not need to be more violence to women in games? Rarely do we see women "baddies" in games. This is why I sort of do not think a GTA with woman protagonist might work, though we all want it, as I think the violence she might show other women would cause way bigger outrage than men killing men.
 
If it were in reference to this article yes. But based on the happenings of the last couple years not so much. Just look here at NeoGaf, seems a large portion are major advocates of widespread censorship (though most call it something else like "protecting" someone).

If so many are "major advocates of widespread censorship", you'll surely be able to show us some actual quotes to demonstrate as much?
 
If it were in reference to this article yes. But based on the happenings of the last couple years not so much. Just look here at NeoGaf, seems a large portion are major advocates of widespread censorship (though most call it something else like "protecting" someone).

Just because a certain subset of gamers get their kicks off of sexualized characters that are drawn like children does not mean that it's art that should be protected. Everyone knows it's fanservice and arguing that it's for the sake of protecting this or that is just hilariously sad.
 
If it were in reference to this article yes. But based on the happenings of the last couple years not so much. Just look here at NeoGaf, seems a large portion are major advocates of widespread censorship (though most call it something else like "protecting" someone).
I sincerely would like to see some examples of this.

I see this line and I'm not sure what to make of especially in regards to violence as to me violence in most games is nearly always against men. If there were "equality" in regards to that, would there not need to be more violence to women in games? Rarely do we see women "baddies" in games. This is why I sort of do not think a GTA with woman protagonist might work, though we all want it, as I think the violence she might show other women would cause way bigger outrage than men killing men.
A solution would not only be including a female protagonist but also enemies who're women as well. It worked wonders for AC:Syndicate. I'm also sure they're referring to other more sensitive topics when they say "violence against women."
 
I see this line and I'm not sure what to make of especially in regards to violence as to me violence in most games is nearly always against men. If there were "equality" in regards to that, would there not need to be more violence to women in games? Rarely do we see women "baddies" in games. This is why I sort of do not think a GTA with woman protagonist might work, though we all want it, as I think the violence she might show other women would cause way bigger outrage than men killing men.

If we are being honest this is incredibly true. Almost every game ever made is you mowing through hordes of men killing them in one way or another.

Thats why I'm against the negative aspects of this, because if we are being honest its all incredibly subjective. I still hope they do the positive elements of it though like giving financial incentives for being inclusive.
 
GUYS GUYS

i haven't read the article OR the thread so i'm going to assume that this is a point that hasn't been made before

BUT

i think we shouldnt do this acaus of the censorship and muhmuh creative vision in tha videogaems

PS: i would share my opinion, but i can't back it up becoz i would get banned
 
If we are being honest this is incredibly true. Almost every game ever made is you mowing through hordes of men killing them in one way or another.

Thats why I'm against the negative aspects of this, because if we are being honest its all incredibly subjective. I still hope they do the positive elements of it though like giving financial incentives for being inclusive.

The depiction of that violence is very different. Highly sexualised acts of violence against individual men are just as uncommon in the current landscape as women who exist as disposable cannon fodder. Still, that's not exactly a subtlety you want to leave up to a government committee.
 
So I am the only one who saw the countless threads about sexism in gaming over the last couple years?

And many means a plurality. Not the necessarily the majority.
 
Soon for video games.

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I'm not from France so I'm not familiar with their government but the last thing I can imagine the gaming industry needs is Government intervention of any kind.
 
The depiction of that violence is very different. Highly sexualised acts of violence against individual men are just as uncommon in the current landscape as women who exist as disposable cannon fodder. Still, that's not exactly a subtlety you want to leave up to a government committee.

Oh I agree but the term is so vague here, its just "violence against women". I mean there is huge levels of violence in general with a lot of games.
 
I see this line and I'm not sure what to make of especially in regards to violence as to me violence in most games is nearly always against men. If there were "equality" in regards to that, would there not need to be more violence to women in games? Rarely do we see women "baddies" in games. This is why I sort of do not think a GTA with woman protagonist might work, though we all want it, as I think the violence she might show other women would cause way bigger outrage than men killing men.

i think it's specifically referring to things like domestic violence and sexual assault. situations where the two parties are unequal. violence against men in games is more often two soldiers fighting. and when it's not it's usually a torture scene. which a whole different problem.
 
Just because a certain subset of gamers get their kicks off of sexualized characters that are drawn like children does not mean that it's art that should be protected. Everyone knows it's fanservice and arguing that it's for the sake of protecting this or that is just hilariously sad.

If it's an art it should be protected IMO. Content does not matter. Even if ONLY the artist finds it tolerable.
 
So I am the only one who saw the countless threads about sexism in gaming over the last couple years?

And many means a plurality. Not the necessarily the majority.

yes there have been a lot of them. video games are rife with sexism.

do you have a point?
 
Sexist view of woman is societal issue, video game are part of like any others, some music videos for name just one but csa don't care so why video game should more.
 
i think it's specifically referring to things like domestic violence and sexual assault. situations where the two parties are unequal. violence against men in games is more often two soldiers fighting. and when it's not it's usually a torture scene. which a whole different problem.

Again though legislation should be made and stated clearer. When you start to enact things with basic statements like "violence against women" that can mean anything and is pretty vague.

That's why you need to be very very careful with going forward with negative aspects of these things. Often the intentions are good but can be misconstrued or mishandled and instead lead to other things. Though this is just getting going so I'm assuming a finalized form of legislation would be much clearer with its vernacular to be fair.
 
yes there have been a lot of them. video games are rife with sexism.

do you have a point?

Well in many of those threads there are a portion who say something analogous to "why is this allowed?" Which unless I grossly misunderstood them sounds a lot like asking "why is there not a system in place to censor such work?"
 
So I am the only one who saw the countless threads about sexism in gaming over the last couple years?

And many means a plurality. Not the necessarily the majority.
It's almost like this medium has some incredibly prevalent issues with sexism. Pointing out said sexism doesn't equate to censorship.
 
I see this line and I'm not sure what to make of especially in regards to violence as to me violence in most games is nearly always against men. If there were "equality" in regards to that, would there not need to be more violence to women in games? Rarely do we see women "baddies" in games. This is why I sort of do not think a GTA with woman protagonist might work, though we all want it, as I think the violence she might show other women would cause way bigger outrage than men killing men.

I think the bigger issue that gaming has yet to get over is that violence appears to be the main main vehicle game progression takes. If violence against women becomes a hot button issue, what response is there really for your violent game other than to remove female models and have all the violence take place against men, animals, machines or aliens? The way this article reads, the female protagonist as portrayed in the Tomb Raider reboot could have been an issue. Replace Lara Croft with Lawrence Croft and it would cease to be an issue.
 
You wouldn't think it would be so hard for so many people to read an OP, or the linked article, but there you go.

So I am the only one who saw the countless threads about sexism in gaming over the last couple years?

No, and you're not the only one who sees the non-existent censorship bogeyman everywhere either.
 
GUYS GUYS

i haven't read the article OR the thread so i'm going to assume that this is a point that hasn't been made before

BUT

i think we shouldnt do this acaus of the censorship and muhmuh creative vision in tha videogaems

PS: i would share my opinion, but i can't back it up becoz i would get banned

I do like how they like to pretend like there's absolutely no limitation or censorship going on with other matters before this, like sexism is that one thing that can't possibly be absent from creative vision.



*goes back to play Hentai games and uncensored AO super violent shooters on consoles* (oh wait)
 
GUYS GUYS

i haven't read the article OR the thread so i'm going to assume that this is a point that hasn't been made before

BUT

i think we shouldnt do this acaus of the censorship and muhmuh creative vision in tha videogaems

PS: i would share my opinion, but i can't back it up becoz i would get banned
Quiet wasn't even that bad!
 
I'm not sure how much of a positive effect that could really have, though - at best, it'd encourage potentially harmful, surface-level, tokenistic 'inclusivity' with a minimum amount of thought, and at worst it'd actively harm games by encouraging developers to restrict the subject matter they depict for fear of being branded as 'inciting sexism'.

I disagree, particularly with your "at best" scenario. As I see it, at best, it'll allow smaller teams to pursue ideas that may not be as mainstream or easily marketable. It doesn't have to be tokenistic, but it pushes for there to be at least some thought put into what level of inclusiveness or positive gender roles for both men and women are in a title. A little thought is all that's required.
 
I feel like not allowing the games to advertise on TV is going a bit too far. No tax credits and the higher age rating are fine in my eyes though.

So I am the only one who saw the countless threads about sexism in gaming over the last couple years?

And many means a plurality. Not the necessarily the majority.

Yes, a lot of games are sexist or have sexist elements. What's your point?
 
Positive encouragement sounds like a good idea. Not so sure about labeling games as sexist and giving them the max rating.
 
Well in many of those threads there are a portion who say something analogous to "why is this allowed?" Which unless I grossly misunderstood them sounds a lot like asking "why is there not a system in place to censor such work?"

maybe there are a few people who have that(i have my doubts) but you claimed this to be a widespread problem. and i'm calling you on your bullshit.
 
Eeeeh I don't think it's a good idea to use law to "control" such a subjective issue. Their heart is in the right place though.
 
Meh, as a french person, I don't think it will pass.
Most of our media in French have show more easely nude women in general.
Only Game of Throne tv serie has come close to how French media can be, lol.
 
it's weird that you guys are talking about censorship. this isn't a thread about censorship. it's about tax subsidies and a rating label.

History has shown that can be a very slippery. By doing this the government would codify that one art type is superior over the other and therefore has more rights.
 
Another interesting question that this discussion brings up (beside the question of where to draw the line regarding what is considered sexist and what isn't for the purposes of these financial incentives/age ratings) is whether financial incentives for a certain type of content equal censorship of other content, considering many people here talk about censorship (which, in all fairness, may also refer to the age rating proposal). I guess one could argue that it is and one could argue that it isn't so yeah, I think it's kind of both, I guess?

EDIT: Ah, I see someone else has already sort of brought it up.
 
Encouraging equality, sure.

But what would be considered sexist? That threshold could be way too wide. And why just video games? Pretty much every media contains sexism in some way or another.
 
maybe there are a few people who have that(i have my doubts) but you claimed this to be a widespread problem. and i'm calling you on your bullshit.

And we are done here. I insulted no one and tried to have a civil discussion about something actually imacts my work. GLHF
 
it's weird that you guys are talking about censorship. this isn't a thread about censorship. it's about tax subsidies and a rating label.

a guy just equated having threads discussing sexism to "promoting censorship". I don't think they were ever taught the meaning of censorship or opened a dictionary.
 
Wait a moment, I did read OP and I didn't see anything about censorship. Why people are talking about censorship?
 
Well in many of those threads there are a portion who say something analogous to "why is this allowed?" Which unless I grossly misunderstood them sounds a lot like asking "why is there not a system in place to censor such work?"

I mean, you are reinterpreting something you've paraphrased by someone you haven't identified, so at least you're acknowledging the possibility that you are grossly misunderstanding their intentions.
 
it's weird that you guys are talking about censorship. this isn't a thread about censorship. it's about tax subsidies and a rating label.

Because the path is clear. If you get penalized from creating some abstact art (which "offends" couple of people in the internet), there's a probability you'll start self-censoring. When/if majority self-censors, the remaining few will be frown upon and eventually pressured to take that fascist path. Art dies. Individuality dies. There is nothing but drones left. Fuck that.

It's always a lose/lose situation when this happens. Let's burn some books and paintings, said the nazis. Let's bring them to Siberia, Stalin said.
 
Meh, as a french person, I don't think it will pass.
Most of our media in French have show more easely nude women in general.
Only Game of Throne tv serie has come close to how French media can be, lol.

nudity isn't sexist.

but i know next to nothing about french politics so i don't know if this is a thing that is likely to pass. it's an interesting proposition and i kind of wish it went further than just sexism. but i'm still not sure it's the best way to go about this sort of thing. at least here in america there's a lot of systemic sexism in government and society that needs to be addressed and fixing those problems would likely have a ripple effect through our entire culture.
 
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