[SPOILER THREAD] X-Men: Apocalypse

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I swear this movie has the least action of any super-hero movie I've ever scene. And when I say action scenes I don't mean huge "I'm gonna use my powers now!!" moments. Those are nice to look at but they don't get the adrenaline going. I'm talking like, physical brawls and back-and-forth fights and stuff. The first one is Wolverine. The next is Beast vs. Psylocke (very brief) and Nightcrawler vs. Angel (hardly a fight). THAT'S IT.

DOFP only has 2 actual fights (the beginning scene against the Sentinels and the ending scene against the Sentinels) and it's a much much better movie.

Beast vs Magneto isn't a real fight and Magneto+ Sentinels vs Wolverine and Beast was just a curbstomp.
 
It felt like it took forever to get going and had too much of the action pushed into the last act. Apocalypse must have had 99% of the dialogue for the villains. Felt like he could have done more damage if he spent less time on that damn mountain babbling about "cleansing" and "machines" and "false idols" lol. Did Psyloche and Angel have more than ten lines combined? It also felt like kind of a downer. The stuff that Magneto goes through is rough.
 
Nah, this is quite better than Batman v Superman.

More entertaining, but not much 'better'.

Psylocke, internal monologue: Fuck you guys I'm going home. You don't play fair.

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Caliban had more memorable on screen impact than Psylocke.

They threw things out there, neither of which I really bought. One was her being jealous of Mystique. But I feel like that would have paid off with a huge fight between them if that was an angle they were really going for. Another was that she was seduced by the power upgrade that Apocalypse gave her, same as Angel who was "fixed" and improved by becoming a Horseman.

I think they wanted to leave the character at a point where she wasn't irredeemable for future films. She didn't do anything that bad. Psylocke went after Beast and the others, but so did Storm and she was brought into the fold.

Jesus. Mystique has to go. I don't know what to make of Singer's obsession with her.
 
Jesus. Mystique has to go. I don't know what to make of Singer's obsession with her.

I think it is more FOX's obsession with having a BIG name like that attached and pushing for her to be a major leader.

I do agree she needs to go though.
 
Man who said anything about fisticuffs. You have all these characters with unique powers. You gotta find a way to use them in the context of an action scene that has them sometimes on the attack and sometimes on the defensive. 3 people standing still shooting beams isn't an action scene it's a Care Bear Stare

And what about the context of the movie itself? The X-Men are all rookies, essentially going from a casual trip to the mall to a battlezone...Scott's powers have just catalyzed in fact and he's far from the strategist he'll eventually turn out to be...Storm is scrappy, but not a trained fighter...the horseman as a whole are slapped together and not a cohesive team.

In terms of movie-making, yes it would be great to have more flashy, super cohesive fight scenes...but in-universe, most of the main characters are newbies...hence the Danger Room sequence at the end...let's hope there's a lot more teamwork and creativity involved in the next movie.
 
I swear this movie has the least action of any super-hero movie I've ever scene. And when I say action scenes I don't mean huge "I'm gonna use my powers now!!" moments. Those are nice to look at but they don't get the adrenaline going. I'm talking like, physical brawls and back-and-forth fights and stuff. The first one is Wolverine. The next is Beast vs. Psylocke (very brief) and Nightcrawler vs. Angel (hardly a fight). THAT'S IT.
You need to watch Fantastic 4 2015, Supergirl, and Green Lantern, now those are superhero movies with less than 5 minutes of action.
 
I liked this way more then civil war. Apocalypse was an interesting villain, the magneto stuff was great, I liked the new additions Luke nightcrawler and storm. The worst part was psylocke by far but she had a small enough role that it wasn't to bad. Can't wait for the next movie. I have been waiting a really long time to see them do mr. Sinister in an x-men movie.
 
Saw this yesterday. Overall I enjoyed it, my order would be X2, DOFP, Apocalypse, and the rest

What this movie desperately needed was a scene with the Horsemen just wrecking shit against normal humans before the final battle, so we could get a baseline of their abilities in general and how powerful they are. In the movie, they were just there and nothing made them seem special or particularly powerful. The ancient Horsemen felt more imposing because we got to see what their abilities were capable of

But overal I thought it was an entertaining X Men movie. Beginning half was a slower paced than I had expected, but I did like seeing Apocalypse. The mutant action was good, although the Quicksilver scene is probably the most tone whiplash I've seen in a movie in a while. At least the Pentagon breakout was kind of playful. Here we go from oh crap Apocalypse showing his power, nuclear missile launched, Xavier taken, mansion exploding; to fun silly super speed scene
 
Angel was a terrible villain for that "baseline" reason. Before he's tapped by Apocalypse, the only thing we know about him is that he *lost* to timid-as-heck Nightcrawler. And then we don't learn anything else about him after that, I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a single line after being recruited. Not very menacing.
 
Angel was a terrible villain for that "baseline" reason. Before he's tapped by Apocalypse, the only thing we know about him is that he *lost* to timid-as-heck Nightcrawler. And then we don't learn anything else about him after that, I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a single line after being recruited. Not very menacing.

Angel was pretty one note. It felt like they wanted the viewer to just accept that mutants would join up with Apocalypse very willingly. Maybe establishing that he had the ability to compel people would have worked better. Maybe not outright make someone do what he wants 100% of the time, but that he could push them in that direction. Honestly, he probably could have recruited some mutants simply on the basis that he was going to disarm all the world's superpowers of their nuclear armaments. An idealistic type could get wrapped up in that and then realize "Oh shit, this dude is a complete nut." There seemed to be something between Angel and Psylocke. But they both have next to no dialogue, so there was only that one scene when they were recruiting Angel to go off.
 
Angel being a horseman in this movie is just another instance Singer paying homage to the source material without knowing why it worked in the first place.


Death should have been Wolverine if we're going to have a not-ultra powerful mutant. At least that would have given us an interesting way for him to get his adamantium back without having to shoehorn him in a 20 minute sequence from another movie.
 
Angel being a horseman in this movie is just another instance Singer paying homage to the source material without knowing why it worked in the first place.

This is the exact issue I have with the X-Men movies. You nailed it.

They're not bad movies but they fail to honor the spirit of the source material.
 
It's too bad that Angel was kind of bad already. Now we can't have emo Archangel from the 90's cartoon.

This is the exact issue I have with the X-Men movies. You nailed it.

They're not bad movies but they fail to honor the spirit of the source material.

I cut them a little slack since there's so much source material. Do you cater to the comics or the cartoons when differences crop up? Some way or another you'll disappoint someone. But I definitely agree with the sentiment.
 
It's too bad that Angel was kind of bad already. Now we can't have emo Archangel from the 90's cartoon.



I cut them a little slack since there's so much source material. Do you cater to the comics or the cartoons when differences crop up? Some way or another you'll disappoint someone. But I definitely agree with the sentiment.

Well I don't read many comics but I did read Uncanny X-Force and Angel was having a lot of emotional and mental issues there too. And then I picked up this other series called All New X-Men where Angel is just kind of there and boring. He meets his older self from the future who has no real personality. So I don't even know what to suggest for making that character better. Seems pretty ZZZZzzzz.
 
Angel is kind of a boring character TBH, although Archangel looks sweet design-wise.

It seems weird that Angel would be at the forefront of Apocalypse's horsemen in the comics, power-wise he isn't very impressive - he just flies and shoots daggers out of his wings, while having some healing capabilities.
 
Storm and Psylocke didn't seem evil or bad. Angel and Magneto were. Angel, of humans locking him in a cage made to fight other mutants and the loss of his wings. Magneto we know why.

Psylocke came off as slightly evil in a complete and utter disdain for human life sort of way.
 
Psylocke came off as slightly evil in a complete and utter disdain for human life sort of way.

She seemed kind of neutral with a tinge of evil. She was basically a merc, in it for the money and eventually power. But in the Xmen universe that doesn't make her that bad, by comparison.
 
Saw it last night, it was alright. The story was all over the place but atleast we got to see the young xmen actually do something (cyclops, jean, and nightcrawler were great). How faithful was this to the arc in the comics?

I would've preferred an age of apocalypse movie instead lol
 
This was a movie at war with itself. It wanted to be about Apocalypse and the young, inexperienced X-Men who have to take him down lead by Xavier, but studio execs and contracts forced it to include Magneto, Mystique, and Wolverine.
 
Saw it last night, it was alright. The story was all over the place but atleast we got to see the young xmen actually do something (cyclops, jean, and nightcrawler were great). How faithful was this to the arc in the comics?

I would've preferred an age of apocalypse movie instead lol

They were never going to do an AoA adaptation - they had just rebooted it to "do it correctly" (although they disappointed astronomically with this movie) so they're not going to do something as radical as kill Xavier and make Erik the X-Men's leader.


What's really disappointing to me is that we'll never have a real X-Men vs Magneto/Brotherhood standoff unless they want to revisit him turning "bad" again, which alot of people seem to find issue with. An X-Men vs Brotherhood battle on the scale of Civil War's airport scene would make me so happy. Last Stand's final fight doesn't count since it was just a bunch of nameless mooks getting torn apart.
 
This was a movie at war with itself. It wanted to be about Apocalypse and the young, inexperienced X-Men who have to take him down lead by Xavier, but studio execs and contracts forced it to include Magneto, Mystique, and Wolverine.

I didn't mind the Weapon X cameo at all. But Magneto shouldn't have ended up one of the horsemen, IMO. That did feel shoehorned, though I thought they did pretty well with it once it was shoehorned in. Mystique...was okay. I liked the hero worship thing coming from young mutants, but I also felt like she was overused.
 
I didn't mind the Weapon X cameo at all. But Magneto shouldn't have ended up one of the horsemen, IMO. That did feel shoehorned, though I thought they did pretty well with it once it was shoehorned in. Mystique...was okay. I liked the hero worship thing coming from young mutants, but I also felt like she was overused.

Maybe, maybe not. At least Magneto is really powerful, rather than just coming off as just being one of the first four mutants Apocalypse encounters.
 
There's really no reason for Apocalypse to have any horsemen at all in this movie - he really only has them because they're part of the source material and you have to have them when introducing Apocalypse even if it clunks up the movie apparently.

You can say that he needed Magneto for his..."plan" but his plan isn't even a plan at all - he could have just nuked everything instead of leaving the nukes in space and it would have had a similar outcome.

The movie is kind of a giant mess - I'm not totally sure how one would go about fixing this script. The ideas behind the script are fundamentally not great and it doesn't even seem like a good time to introduce Apocalypse to the universe other than "oh it's been 5 movies, lets just do Apocalypse now".

No one in the movie acts like their character should be acting after the events of DOFP -
1. Magneto knows there is a future where humanity annihilates mutants and now he's just a factory worker who is trying to lead a quiet life? He should be crusading as hard as ever.
2. Xavier is ultra-pacifist again after seeing what destruction both humans and mutants are capable of and has no interest in creating the X-Men until he gets mindraped by Apocalypse? Didn't Logan tell him to search for Scott, Jean, and Ororo in the last movie to form the X-Men?
3. Why are humans accepting of mutants just because Mystique shot Magneto at the end of DOFP? She turned the gun to the president afterwards and it took a while for her to decide to not kill Trask + there's also a baseball stadium that a person dropped around the White House. I don't buy that the mutant kids would think of Mystique as a legendary hero either.
 
This movie is best described as a mess in nearly every respect. A jumbled salad of ideas. The set pieces are cool, but they don't really gel together, they're like individually crafted moments separate from everything else. The Quicksilver scene was laughable, the music choice was tonally at complete odds with what had just happened.

I had my fun, but this was a seriously vapid experience. Whoever's behind this franchise just doesn't know what to do with it anymore.

Oh and Sansa Stark is awful. What a downgrade from Famke Janssen.
 
saw it today. It was bad, but not worse thatn BvS. So many plotholes and cringe dialogue. Everything just felt forced and there's no flow to the story. Wolverine cameo was pretty pointless and was purely there to drive up hype for this movie. Although the dialogue was bad, it was pretty apparent JLaw didn't put much effort in her scenes. The multiple closeups of several characters shedding a tear were pretty hilarious and cheesy as well.
 
Personally I liked BvS a lot better than this. The film lacked energy, as if most of the actors and director were going through the motions. It also looked straight up bad in places, really shoddy vfx work.
 
I guess I was not into X-Men as much I thought

I had no idea who the Flash-like dude was he had the coolest power and personality

that explosion bit was amazing

can someone link me to a bio of him?
 
Watched it a couple of hours ago and forgotten everything already except for the quicksilver bits and that wolverine shanked a bunch of dudes. Not great.

Someone fill me in, why should I care about the post credits teaser?
 
Saw it too... another bad X-men movie.
Quick question, can I blame Singer for the half-assed fights, or maybe the stunt team ? I cringed each time a character jumped or was ejected by a blow. Same thing with flying characters... You can almost visualize the harness and wires. When Logan jumps on the soldiers, bad wire-fu. Beast is the worse (maybe because they add a stupid growl when he jumps). Magneto looking like he's suspended to a crane when hovering. Storm landing, etc... And it was already like this in the 3 first X-men movies. Is Singer looking at these practical shots and say "ok, looks good enough" ?
 
Aside from the really bad CGI and Magneto randomly being a good guy at the end, I really liked this movie. Wasted opportunity having Apocalypse as the villain and not focusing on the younger X-Men more though.
 
I saw it tonight and was not super impressed. The camera shots, costumes, casting, even acting seemed passable, but the writing was bleah and the movie was so long.

There seemed to be a running theme of people waiting until the last second. The Egyptian rebels might have had a better chance but they waited so long to hit their pyramid scheme (haha). I guess they thought Apocalypse needed to be on the bed to have a chance of succeeding? Later, Quicksilver saves people at the last second (but it's not his fault). He's still not fast enough to save Havoc, and he mentions not being able to save Magneto's other family. Still later, Jean sits around the entire fight, until Charles literally starts begging her to help, and then she's finally like, "ok time to help mentally, and also walk in slow motion to wreck Apocalypse". Magneto waits until the last second to think, "OK I'll actually save my ex-girlfriend and only remaining child."


Regarding characters, I don't think stuff like Jennifer Lawrence's much-maligned acting was an issue, though admittedly I have a crush on her. However, what was an issue was Apocalypse choosing Magneto and the world's 3 most useless powered-up horse(wo)men.

Psylocke had a cool sword/whip. She was a bodyguard...and never did anything. Then when it's time for her to bodyguard, she's immediately kidnapped / follows the dude who threatens her employer. She cuts a car in half to save Storm -- that was useful. And she cuts open the X-Plane and survives falling out of the plane, which is impressive. But then she has a fight against Beast, and it's basically because Beast is punching way above his weight limit and everyone else has flight, teleportation, or mental powers. And even then Beast gets almost choked and then throws her into a building or something.

Storm can pull down lightning (all of which misses) and generate a duststorm (which bothers no one) and I guess use wind to toss a car...which immediately gets tossed back. And then she apparently runs out of wind and can't fly or do anything but watch in horror until Psylocke cuts it in half.

Angel is...a flying guy. And then he's a powered-up flying guy with throwing knives. He uses his powers to cut himself free from a cage, get into the X-Plane, and die. That's pretty much all I remember. He even got special tattoos and nothing happened as far as I know.


Oscar Isaac is normally a very impressive actor, but I wasn't feeling the Apocalypse performance. Perhaps it's not his fault. Partly the costume looked so weird and unimpressive. I liked Vision better. Plus Apocalypse's writing is over the top, and even with all his killing I didn't feel he was very intimidating.


The Quicksilver scene was my favorite part again, and Quicksilver in general was awesome. I really like this version of him and his personality. It's the first one I can remember that isn't evil, bratty, or both.
 
Finally watched it tonight. I really liked it. It actually kinda felt like the first "X-Men" movie to me. Everyone had their moments, however small, noone was really jobbed too ridiculously. Yes Mystique being the leader was a little weird but her role wasn't so prominent that it overshadowed everyone else I thought. I'm actually kinda mad the "OG" team wasn't done this way to begin with. The end with them starting the training together made me all giddy inside. Overall I put this on top along with DoFP and First Class. I don't hold X1 and X2 in high regard at all. This movie had a lot of elements that I thought those should have had.
 
Saw this tonight. It was okay. Psylocke's costume compared to the rest of the cast made me laugh. Mohawk Storm was cool, but I felt she didn't do enough cool stuff (actually none of the horsemen did cool stuff, except normal Magneto shenanigans). Quicksilver slow-mo scene was great, made everyone laugh.

Magneto a Chris Metzen wet dream at this point.
 
That Wolverine entrance could have been awesome, instead when the camera was panning up to reveal him and I saw that thing on his head I burst out into laughter.

Decent movie overall though.
 
What is Essex Corp? I didn't get the after credits scene.

I really liked this movie. Yeah, it wasn't great or anything but to me was entertaining, and I loved all of the young X-Men. All of Cyclops, Jean Grey (continues to be my favorite), Storm, Psylocke, Quicksilver, Nightcrawler, loving them. I seriously hope we get to see more of Jubilee now that we are headed for the 90s, especially her fireworks powers. Cyclops final suit looked awesome!

Ultimately I hope they get another director for the next one. Lawrence as Mystique needs to go, and they need to focus on these new young X-Men. They can have something special here.

Loved the movie. Neither more or less than Days of Future Past.
 
Ahh, I thought they were teasing X-23 or something. Haven't X-23 already been in one of the movies? I think it was Wolverine Origins.

I know nothing about Me Sinister. I should go look him up.
 
Ahh, I thought they were teasing X-23 or something. Haven't X-23 already been in one of the movies? I think it was Wolverine Origins.

I know nothing about Me Sinister. I should go look him up.
X-23 hasn't appeared in any of the mainline X-Men films, nor Origins. You might be thinking of Yuriko/Lady Deathstrike from X2, who has similar abilities to Wolverine.
 
Just watched this today. The movie was fucking epic! I can't put my finger on why, but I enjoyed it so much more than Civil War. I think it's because I like the actual characters more than the shitty cookie cutter archetypes from the Marvel universe. Also, Apolcalypse has to be the best villain I've seen in a comic book movie. No idea why this got middling reviews.

Oh, and that slow motion sequence was sick! They really stepped it up a notch past what was done in Days of Future Past.

Are they making another X-Men movie or is this the end of the prequel trilogy? There really aren't that many loose ends at this point in time.
 
X-23 hasn't appeared in any of the mainline X-Men films, nor Origins. You might be thinking of Yuriko/Lady Deathstrike from X2, who has similar abilities to Wolverine.
Whoaaa, I always thought it was a weak rendition of X-23.

Anyway, with Wolverine, Gambit, Deadpool 2 and New Mutants on the horizon, could it be, that we won't see the 90s X-Men for a while? I really hope they get a new director, that will be more faithful toward the 90s look.

Are they making another X-Men movie or is this the end of the prequel trilogy? There really aren't that many loose ends at this point in time.
There's another one coming set in the 90s. And then you also have all of the spin-offs I mentioned above.
 
Whoaaa, I always thought it was a weak rendition of X-23.

Anyway, with Wolverine, Gambit, Deadpool 2 and New Mutants on the horizon, could it be, that we won't see the 90s X-Men for a while? I really hope they get a new director, that will be more faithful toward the 90s look.


There's another one coming set in the 90s. And then you also have all of the spin-offs I mentioned above.

Nah, X-2 came out a year before NYX, which is X23's debut.
 
Finally got around to watching it. I liked it but it has plenty of problems. After watching the deleted mall scene, I think one of the biggest problems is juggling this young X-Men learning and having fun and coming in to their own in the 80s movie, with the extremo world stakes of Apocalypse and emotional darkness of Magneto's story. Like they actually didn't do a terrible job of juggling those two all things considered, but watching that mall scene made me want to see more of that and reminded me of how much fun it was hanging out with the younger mutants (Kurt especially).

I also feel like using Apocalypse was too premature for this timeline. It would have worked so much better and had higher stakes if this was the original older X-Men cast. For example, there was no time during this movie that I could imagine Age of Apocalypse happening if Apoc won and that's kind of sad. It feels a bit like a waste.

That said I had fun in a lot of spots. Like I said, all the younger mutant stuff was pretty fun and Quicksilver's scene matched if not topped the previous one.
 
I also just got around to catching Apocalypse and even with its tepid reception, I'm surprised at its mediocrity. It was clear from the opening scene that something felt off. The CG felt unpolished and stuck out whenever used. More than that though, something about the way Singer composited the shots in this movie made the colors feel garish. Not in a neon 80s kind of fashion like he may have intended and more like blatant green screen. This might sound harsh but the last movie I thought looked this way was Gods of Egypt. The camera work and editing are also a bore throughout with the mansion evacuation scene being the sole exception, but even that came across a little too goofy in the end with Quicksilver surfing the shock wave on top of a coffee table. The weird tonal shift of that scene also made it feel really out of place as well. The original Quicksilver scene in DoFP was more pure spectacle whereas this one is just played for laughs. It's not a bad scene overall, just noticeably out of place. The only other scene that stood out was the destruction of Auschwitz but just barely. Character work was ok if a bit scattered. The film could have used more of the new kids to give the movie a more coherent feel. As it stands, I couldn't tell you who the main character of this movie was. Returning to Alkali Lake was yawn inducing, and what should have been a really awesome reveal of weapon X was just passable and does more to kill the pacing than inject any badly needed excitement into the film. Apocalypse and Oscar Issac were both completely wasted. The bad makeup aside, he had zero sense of presence or menace. Issac's voice was kinda silly and needed to feel more authoritarian. The script, with him literally recruiting the first 4 mutants he finds, was really weak too.

I dunno, I could say more but I think I'm coming across more vindictive than intended. Everything about this movie was underwhelming. It was a huge step back from DoFP, a film with its own problems that at least manages to be shot and executed surprisingly well.
 
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