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[Lead]

It's really morbid how gun nuts don't even try to say this stuff isn't a problem, and think the problem is that shootings with 4+ victims shouldn't be classified as "mass shootings".

It's a problem, but if you can't understand how it'd be less of a concern than shootings like this I don't know what to tell you.

Also criminals will shoot other criminals, here in Denmark the vast majority (probably like 99%) of all shootings are committed by criminals with illegal firearms that were never registered in the first place.

 

[Ether_Snake]

No it doesn't. When you're this hyperbolic nobody can take you serious at all.

This many people getting shot and killed by the same perpetrator doesn't happen every day, in fact it maybe happens 1 or 2 times a year if even that.

Most of the "mass shootings" are gang connected and rarely does more than a handful get shot let alone die.

Actually it happens more than every day.

According to the Mass Shooting Tracker, the US last year suffered 372 mass shootings, defined as a single incident that kills or injures four or more people. Some 475 people were killed and 1,870 wounded.

 

[Lead]

Your're right, it actually happens more than every day.

It's really fun when we try to build our argument around things completely unrelated to the travesty that happened here.

Tell me how many of these "mass shootings" involved people unrelated to gang/crime and then we can start having a talk about the problem of these "mass shootings".

If it seems cold, maybe it is, but I have a harder time feeling sorry for criminals getting theirs. I know there's often innocent bystanders and collateral damage, and that's really sad, but I don't think it helps anybody to disingenuously report that events like what happened here, happens every day.

 

[RPGCrazied]

So when are we getting another update. Like the suspect and the motive and all that?

 

[Spiritwalker]

This country man.....heart goes out to all the victims.

ftfy

 

[Nameless]

Can't even imagine what the victims went through or what their families are going through. Truly awful

 

[entremet]

So when are we getting another update. Like the suspect and the motive and all that?

It just happened. These things take time to investigate.

 

[Vilix]

CNN says authorities are calling it an act of terrorism. FBI are looking at ties towards Islamic extremists.

 

[nature boy]

Mass shooting in the United States--"America is a horrible place and you are all horrible people!"

Thanks, world.

More like "why are some people so hell bent on a broad interpretation of a document 230 years old, use some common sense".

 

[Erevador]

So when are we getting another update. Like the suspect and the motive and all that?

From the BBC.

An FBI spokesman said they were investigating whether the attacker was a "lone wolf". He said the attacker appeared to "have leanings towards" radical Islamist ideology but it was not yet clear whether this was a case of domestic or international terrorism.

That's all we really know so far.

 

[Perfect Blue]

Tell me how many of these "mass shootings" involved people unrelated to gang/crime and then we can start having a talk about the problem of these "mass shootings".

Why do you keep adding that qualifier? Do gang members and criminals not matter in the grand scheme of things? What point are you trying to make?

 

[RPGCrazied]

It just happened. These things take time to investigate.

Didn't take long for Trump to send out a tweet about this. Ugh, this is exactly why he can't be President. He just strokes up peoples fears and fans the flames.

I'll say it again, and keep saying it after these mass shootings. Ban guns. I don't care how hard it will be. If he thinks he can deport 12 million people from the country, getting rid of guns shouldn't be that hard. Might take time, but enough of this.

 

[Polari]

So when are we getting another update. Like the suspect and the motive and all that?

Next press conference at 9:30 local time.

 

[lenovox1]

Why do you keep adding that qualifier? Do gang members and criminals not matter in the grand scheme of things? What point are you trying to make?

He explicitly stated that in the following paragraph. I think he watches too much TV and film, and didn't actually have a grasp of the impact gang violence has on communities and the people that suffer through it.

His opinion on this is kind of meaningless.

 

[xk0sm0sx]

It's really fun when we try to build our argument around things completely unrelated to the travesty that happened here.

Tell me how many of these "mass shootings" involved people unrelated to gang/crime and then we can start having a talk about the problem of these "mass shootings".

I can tell you something, these gang/crime shootings certainly do not even happen everyday in other countries. In fact, they are RARE.

 

[mackattk]

Im at the point where unless it happens locally or to a place I have been to, I am unphased of shootings in the USA. It is too commonplace and happens nearly every day.

This happened the day after that innocent girl from the voice died. In that thread people were defending guns saying knives are just as deadly as a weapon... people are fucking crazy.

 

[Schattenjäger]

Didn't take long for Trump to send out a tweet about this. Ugh, this is exactly why he can't be President. He just strokes up peoples fears and fans the flames.

I'll say it again, and keep saying it after these mass shootings. Ban guns. I don't care how hard it will be. If he thinks he can deport 12 million people from the country, getting rid of guns shouldn't be that hard. Might take time, but enough of this.

I don't get what he tweeted that was so bad


Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Really bad shooting in Orlando. Police investigating possible terrorism. Many people dead and wounded.

 

[Perfect Blue]

He explicitly stated that in the following paragraph. I think he watches too much TV and film, and didn't actually have a grasp of the impact gang violence has on communities and the people that suffer through it.

His opinion on this is kind of meaningless.

Right. I get that he personally doesn't care but just for statistics I think it's crazy to exclude something like that. Oh well.

 

[BeforeU]

this is nuts. wtf man

 

[Doc Holliday]

I don't get what he tweeted that was so bad


Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Really bad shooting in Orlando. Police investigating possible terrorism. Many people dead and wounded.

I was expecting worse actually.

 

[Bubble Metropolis]

Do gang members and criminals not matter in the grand scheme of things?

Generally, no. Only when it's convenient for us to scold and hold accountable a large, innocent portion of the US population for the epidemic of "black on black" crime.

 

[DrForester]

Didn't take long for Trump to send out a tweet about this. Ugh, this is exactly why he can't be President. He just strokes up peoples fears and fans the flames.

I'll say it again, and keep saying it after these mass shootings. Ban guns. I don't care how hard it will be. If he thinks he can deport 12 million people from the country, getting rid of guns shouldn't be that hard. Might take time, but enough of this.

Trump's Tweet seems totally fine. Saying police are "investigating" it as Domestic Terrorism rather than outright stating it as fact. It's outright reserved for Trump.

Don't worry though, if this guy really was an "Islamic Extremist", I'm sure we'll start seeing some more disgusting tweets from him.

The GOP will try and paint themselves as people "fighting to protect gay people from the terrors of Islam!"

 

[nature boy]

Why do you keep adding that qualifier? Do gang members and criminals not matter in the grand scheme of things? What point are you trying to make?

Playing the devil's advocate, maybe he meant to say that crime organizations will always have lethal weapons, regardless of the law.

 

[Beefy]

Nearly 6000 Americans have died by a gun this year already. Crazy.

 

[LordRaptor]

Why do you keep adding that qualifier? Do gang members and criminals not matter in the grand scheme of things? What point are you trying to make?

If you legislate against mass shootings then only the criminals will have mass shootings.

 

[Angel_DvA]

Nearly 6000 Americans have died by a gun this year already. Crazy.

disgusting...

 

[sflufan]

I was expecting worse actually.

Give the man time! He's just getting warmed up and will be good-to-go if/when the Islamist connection is validated.

 

[Zaph]

Nearly 6000 Americans have died by a gun this year already. Crazy.

This can't be real, surely? Did you mean 600?

America, what are you doing

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

I just read that it is now 20 dead, not just casualties. What a devastating loss of life. Felt more keenly because they are LGBTQ+ like me. My heart goes out to all the family and friends of the deceased.

How many dead people is it going to take for some meaningful gun law reform, seems like the current reason is "....but it's too hard, everyone has guns".

Disgusting amount of apathy being displayed.

 

[Beefy]

This can't be real, surely? Did you mean 600?

America, what are you doing

5,873

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org

 

[Kaervas]

Asking for more gun control wont solve the issue.

This case was about a man with a mission: he wanted to kill people who did not conform to the tenets of his faith. Would you honestly think that him going to the store, trying to buy a gun and the clerck saying "no can do, sorry pal, gotta wait 4 weeks for the checkup" woulld have dissuaded him?

Do you really think that he would go "oh ok, sinners and sodomites get a free pass since I cant buy a gun". No, he would in turn look for an alternative, most likely improvised, as history as shown people are more than capable of doing.

So making this about guns is deflecting from the real issue which is the rising radicalization of islam and the incompatibility of such beliefs with western civilization.

 

[Oriel]

God damnit, not again! Shades of Bataclan. Horrifying. Hopefully the authorities apprehend the perpetrator(s).

 

[MiamiWesker]

So sad and terrible. Orlando to me is the happiest place on earth, these last two days have been horrible.

 

[DrForester]

I just read that it is now 20 dead, not just casualties. What a devastating loss of life. Felt more keenly because they are LGBTQ+ like me. My heart goes out to all the family and friends of the deceased.

How many dead people is it going to take for some meaningful gun law reform, seems like the current reason is "....but it's too hard, everyone has guns".

Disgusting amount of apathy being displayed.

Always remember that Republicans and the NRA stood proudly after 2 dozen Kindergartners were shot and said "We don't care!". Nothing is changing anytime soon.

 

[JB1981]

I don't believe the FBI would say "Islamic leanings" if they didn't know 100% who this guy was, or have known who this guy was.

I agree. Very unprofessional

Edit: never mind I misread your post.

 

[Beefy]

Asking for more gun control wont solve the issue.

This case was about a man with a mission: he wanted to kill people who did not conform to the tenets of his faith. Would you honestly think that him going to the store, trying to buy a gun and the clerck saying "no can do, sorry pal, gotta wait 4 weeks for the checkup" woulld have dissuaded him?

Do you really think that he would go "oh ok, sinners and sodomites get a free pass since I cant buy a gun". No, he would in turn look for an alternative, most likely improvised, as history as shown people are more than capable of doing.

So making this about guns is deflecting from the real issue which is the risin radicalization of islam.

Nothing is known about the guys faith yet right?

 

[Lead]

Why do you keep adding that qualifier? Do gang members and criminals not matter in the grand scheme of things? What point are you trying to make?

Sure they matter, but it doesn't make sense to compare gang crime with innocent people getting gunned down while out on a saturday to party.

Gang crime is a major issue, but it's one that has to be fought with more equality and less poverty.

I can tell you something, these gang/crime shootings certainly do not even happen everyday in other countries. In fact, they are RARE.

Do you consider it useful comparing a country of some 323 million people with individual European countries?

 

[Zaph]

5,873

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org

Over 1500 children killed or injured. Unbelievable

 

[AusRoachman]

I just read that it is now 20 dead, not just casualties. What a devastating loss of life. Felt more keenly because they are LGBTQ+ like me. My heart goes out to all the family and friends of the deceased.

How many dead people is it going to take for some meaningful gun law reform, seems like the current reason is "....but it's too hard, everyone has guns".

Disgusting amount of apathy being displayed.

If a kindergarden full of defenceless children being killed doesn't change gun laws nothing will. Absolutely terrible and I am very glad our previous governments took a stand decades ago so we are not in a similar situation .

 

[dapperbandit]

Why do you keep adding that qualifier? Do gang members and criminals not matter in the grand scheme of things? What point are you trying to make?

When people hear "mass shooting" they of things like this or Columbine, or Sandy Hook etc.

Not gang shootings

 

[Curufinwe]

Asking for more gun control wont solve the issue.

This case was about a man with a mission: he wanted to kill people who did not conform to the tenets of his faith. Would you honestly think that him going to the store, trying to buy a gun and the clerck saying "no can do, sorry pal, gotta wait 4 weeks for the checkup" woulld have dissuaded him?

Do you really think that he would go "oh ok, sinners and sodomites get a free pass since I cant buy a gun". No, he would in turn look for an alternative, most likely improvised, as history as shown people are more than capable of doing.

So making this about guns is deflecting from the real issue which is the rising radicalization of islam and the incompatibility of such beliefs with western civilization.

The real issue is the almost 6,000 gun deaths in less than 6 months.

 

[MegaMelon]

Asking for more gun control wont solve the issue.

This case was about a man with a mission: he wanted to kill people who did not conform to the tenets of his faith. Would you honestly think that him going to the store, trying to buy a gun and the clerck saying "no can do, sorry pal, gotta wait 4 weeks for the checkup" woulld have dissuaded him?

Do you really think that he would go "oh ok, sinners and sodomites get a free pass since I cant buy a gun". No, he would in turn look for an alternative, most likely improvised, as history as shown people are more than capable of doing.

So making this about guns is deflecting from the real issue which is the rising radicalization of islam and the incompatibility of such beliefs with western civilization.

I mean, couldn't this be applied to literally anything?

All those lone wolf/mental illness lot aren't gonna go 'ok these innocent people get a pass since I can't buy a gun'. No, he would in turn look for an alternative, most likely improvised, as history as shown people are more than capable of doing.

So making this about guns is deflecting from the real issue which is the rising problems with mental health and the incompatibility of such illness with western civilization.

See? I'm not saying there aren't issues with attacks directly because of/related to Islam, but to act like guns aren't helping/responsible for many of these incidents is idiotic. Besides, has it even been confirmed that this was an islamist attack?

 

[Sephzilla]

Holy shit, this is tragic

As an American who even owns a gun (shot gun for bird hunting) I agree that America has a major gun problem. The second amendment can fuck off.

 

[backflip10019]

Absolutely terrible. RIP to the victims.

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

If a kindergarden full of defenceless children being killed doesn't change gun laws nothing will. Absolutely terrible and I am very glad our previous governments took a stand decades ago so we are not in a similar situation .

All it took is one school shooting in the UK to sort the problem out. Privately owned firearms were banned unless you had a valid reason, personal and home defence isn't a valid reason.

 

[Blueliner]

Next press conference will be at 9:30 a.m EST

 

[iceatcs]

Sound like a lone-wolf terrorist.


RIP, keep strong American.

 

[chadskin]

Orlando shooter ID'd as Omar Mateen, U.S. citizen from Port St. Lucie, FL

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/741979496799211520

 

[Tecnniqe]

Asking for more gun control wont solve the issue.

This case was about a man with a mission: he wanted to kill people who did not conform to the tenets of his faith. Would you honestly think that him going to the store, trying to buy a gun and the clerck saying "no can do, sorry pal, gotta wait 4 weeks for the checkup" woulld have dissuaded him?

Do you really think that he would go "oh ok, sinners and sodomites get a free pass since I cant buy a gun". No, he would in turn look for an alternative, most likely improvised, as history as shown people are more than capable of doing.

So making this about guns is deflecting from the real issue which is the rising radicalization of islam and the incompatibility of such beliefs with western civilization.

Actually its a problem of both ease of access and extremism in terrorism related cases.
In all the others its purely ease of access.

There needs to be some tighter control, it wont stop the ones who goes out of their way to do it, but it might just stop the majority of "snap" decisions.

 

[AusRoachman]

All it took is one school shooting in the UK to sort the problem out. Privately owned firearms were banned unless you had a valid reason, personal and home defence isn't a valid reason.

Yup all it took in Australia was the port arthur massacre , but thankfully we don't have big lobby groups like the nra influencing politicians behind the scenes .