ReyVGM
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Most people believe that yes, and it does feel plausible.
July-August is too soon and November is too late.
Nintendo @ E3 - No Direct, Just Zelda Treehouse Stream
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Most people believe that yes, and it does feel plausible.
July-August is too soon and November is too late.
Dark Cloud
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There's no set date, but I think Zelda says 2017 release, but the NX is supposed to release in March 2017. We're all putting 1 + 1 together and thinking Zelda will launch in March atleast for NX. When the Wii U version comes who knows.
Why is August too soon? August or September are the best months. November is a horrible month. Rosti found that survey thing that may imply the NX may be shown at EGX in September tells me August is perfect to reveal it and then start getting it to different events around the world for people to play it.
ReyVGM
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The only facts are that the NX is releasing in march and Zelda is releasing in 2017.
But, judging from the TP situation, it is expected for Zelda to be a launch title for the NX, and that's why people say it's coming out in march.
However, just like the TP situation, I fully expect Zelda to come first to the NX and then release a few weeks later on the WiiU.
And honestly, by that time next year, after seeing the NX, very few people will care the WiiU version will be released later.
Ahhh. I totally see that now.
I had blocked out the fact that we got TP on Wii before Game Cube. SO technically its coming to WiiU just to reach those who didn't make the jump to "NX".
Meesh
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I think my heart just sank a little bit...I remember that now too! So, damn, what's this mean for Zelda release date speculation? I don't know how long I can wait!!
Edit: ah, March, my bad... Hmmm
Jim_Cacher
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No, I am not gonna fall for this.
I think some RPG elements are necessary this time. Open world games are huge in scale, so they probably need to have content to keep players engaged. This is why many people complain that many open world games are empty because the game is not engaging enough. It cannot be achieved only by either exploration or gameplay systems. Open world games usually need both to keep players engaged. IMO, many open world games failed to achieve this and thus, many games are either called bloated (the world is huge, but too little stuff to do) or became "checklist simulator" (like many Ubisoft's games). In order to succeed in creating a good open world game, apart from building a good world map, Nintendo really need to consider about adding some RPG elements to the game as I don't feel that collecting heart pieces can keep players engaged enough.
Apart from these two elements, a sense of progression is very important, especially in open world games. In many genres, it is important that the players could feel that their avatar is continuing to grow. For open world games, this idea also extended to traversal of the world. If the players are always driving the same car in the same world, they will feel bored easily. So players need to be given opportunity to upgrade their means of traversal. For example, in Xenoblade Chronicles X, you can get the Skell around Chapter 6, and the Skell can fly in Chapter 9. This approach freshens up the means of exploration and creates a very important sense of progression. That is why I argue that Epona may receive mechanical parts to upgrade the horseshoes so that it can travel to places you cannot reach before, like walking on the surface of water.
Overall, I am quite optimistic towards the game. Nintendo is a master of creating great games, and I expect it to produce a good open world game, or even shaken up the genre and create a new experience for us.
Its a business strat mos def. Why get aboard a sinking ship when something new to carry on the brand is around the bend.
Now I wonder if both versions are being made in tandem or if the "NX" hardware is so similar to WiiU it will be a simple port once its complete that utilizes whatever new gimmick/tech the "NX" is all about?
Now I wonder if both versions are being made in tandem or if the "NX" hardware is so similar to WiiU it will be a simple port once its complete that utilizes whatever new gimmick/tech the "NX" is all about?
brandonh83
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Sunday.
Monday. TUESDAY.
gamergirly
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What time is this in EST again for Tuesday?
My hype levels can be represented by an inverse bell curve, from first reveal to E3 106 stream.
Everything points to this being a huge title for Nintendo. Barely any other games at E3 bar Zelda, 3 years or more in development, huge map, talk of a new approach etc., NX...
AAAAAH.
Less unbearable? No, not for me. I am more excited than last year. The wait is killing me.
I didn't play the game but I saw this scene. What's the context? Is her song exorcing him or something?
ShockingAlberto
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basically
Skittzo0413
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No, I am not gonna fall for this.
I think some RPG elements are necessary this time. Open world games are huge in scale, so they probably need to have content to keep players engaged. This is why many people complain that many open world games are empty because the game is not engaging enough. It cannot be achieved only by either exploration or gameplay systems. Open world games usually need both to keep players engaged. IMO, many open world games failed to achieve this and thus, many games are either called bloated (the world is huge, but too little stuff to do) or became "checklist simulator" (like many Ubisoft's games). In order to succeed in creating a good open world game, apart from building a good world map, Nintendo really need to consider about adding some RPG elements to the game as I don't feel that collecting heart pieces can keep players engaged enough.
Apart from these two elements, a sense of progression is very important, especially in open world games. In many genres, it is important that the players could feel that their avatar is continuing to grow. For open world games, this idea also extended to traversal of the world. If the players are always driving the same car in the same world, they will feel bored easily. So players need to be given opportunity to upgrade their means of traversal. For example, in Xenoblade Chronicles X, you can get the Skell around Chapter 6, and the Skell can fly in Chapter 9. This approach freshens up the means of exploration and creates a very important sense of progression. That is why I argue that Epona may receive mechanical parts to upgrade the horseshoes so that it can travel to places you cannot reach before, like walking on the surface of water.
Overall, I am quite optimistic towards the game. Nintendo is a master of creating great games, and I expect it to produce a good open world game, or even shaken up the genre and create a new experience for us.
Yeah, considering the modern open world genre seems majorly influenced by RPGs from the 90s (might and magic, daggerfall) it's only logical that sorta classic RPG progression systems fit them better than some of the more recent systems we've seen. Also good point about traversal, I definitely expect horse upgrades or replacements... I really think we'll end up seeing a Pegasus-ified Epona.
Definitely think Nintendo has something special here... They rarely show this much confidence in a game.
blu
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I hope they never release that game here, lest I sink another year of my life. I'm much more in favor of BB2.
Before they announced that all they were going to do was the Treehouse stream, I thought Mother 3 was pretty much guaranteed. I don't see them making this long awaited announcement at some random point in an 8-hour stream (if last year's Treehouse is anything to go by).
I disagree. It's not about confidence, but more about arrogance, imo.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Crap!! lol
My bad Zelda gaf, I knew I was lit but I wanted to post. I thought I didnt though.
GregLombardi
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After Iwata's death they have been anything but arrogant. In fact, they've been radio silent on the future.
Just anecdotal though.
My dreams for the start of this game/demo:
Link is a ranger, riding Epona at night somewhere on the outskirts of Hyrule. In the distance, a small caravan traveling down a path is attacked and overturned by a group of moblins. Link rushes to the rescue and in the wreckage is a mysterious, old man barely hanging on. He whispers to Link - "It's dangerous to go alone. Take this!" and hands him a magical sword before he dies.
Then the camera pans up, we're in a Hyrule field andddddd you just go.
Link is a ranger, riding Epona at night somewhere on the outskirts of Hyrule. In the distance, a small caravan traveling down a path is attacked and overturned by a group of moblins. Link rushes to the rescue and in the wreckage is a mysterious, old man barely hanging on. He whispers to Link - "It's dangerous to go alone. Take this!" and hands him a magical sword before he dies.
Then the camera pans up, we're in a Hyrule field andddddd you just go.
ReyVGM
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Don't people think that maybe they are in a transitional period and aren't ready to be blurting out every idea thst crosses their minds?
Or maybe that most of their big projects have been moved to the NX and they honestly don't have anything new to show right now?
I tried it, I wasn't impressed. Felt like a right twat wearing a stupid piece of plastic on my face and shutting myself off from everyone else. It's the ultimate in antisocial, basement-dwelling gaming.
ReyVGM
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Nintendo rarely listen to their fans, they create games their fans don't want (Paper Mario Color Splash, Federation Force...), they force motion controls in Star Fox Zero because they still refuse to believe that the market doesn't care about Wii U Gamepad gimmicks, their online infrastructure is lacking, they stick their noses up at modern game design, always gotta do things the "Nintendo way" even when it's unnecessary. Dont get me wrong, I'm excited to see Zelda & I'm definitely getting the NX, but they're an undeniably stubborn and arrogant company.
Creating games that appeals to people other than their core fans isn't arrogant, it's the complete opposite of arrogant. Not every game is made for you and not every idea you have is actually feasible or that interesting in reality. Many of their games may end up unappealing, but being inventive and trying new things isn't arrogant, in fact thinking so is arrogant on your behalf. It's off-topic anyways.
Cernys-Sandwich
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Zelda is one of those few games that everyone looks at from Nintendo. I am not a fan but Zelda is one of the few games i tend to take a look. Heck this might switch my stance on buying a NX from "No way in hell" to "Maybe...."
I think this title will tell us more about what to expect from Nintendo in the future. So i can even see why they want to focus almost entirely on this game. If this game, that could reveal some things on what to expect from Nintendo in the future, would not be understood properly, it could lead to new issues.
So while i am not exactly having a hype train ticket for Nintendos... thing at E3, i will be watching from the sidelines and maybe something catches my eye and raises my interest. In the last few years rarely anything got me excited from them...
Skittzo and I were discussing this upthread a bit. I think we came to the conclusion that some reveals could happen at the beginning of either Treehouse Day or via PR. I suspect Mother 3 is an E3 announcement. We still need to see what N-Stars is (Trev's leak 3DS game, based on codename potentially Mario Party-related and speculated to have an amiibo component) and we need more Paper Mario info as well. Any of this that we don't get during E3, I expect to see not too long after.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
we are almost there!
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Meesh
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Please tell me you're doing a Majoras Mask one, "dawn of the final day" or something? That'd be sweetwe are almost there!
Edit: whenever Heath posts those ah feel the hype a rising!!!
Louis Cyphre
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Do you think Nintendo has just as many dev kits out there as Microsoft during the same timeframe?
Less unbearable? No, not for me. I am more excited than last year. The wait is killing me.
this is a great gif
i'm passing the time with a 5000 word essay on what zelda could learn from dark souls
ready to be amended after this week
UnemployedVillain
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Can any of us guess this or even estimate this AT ALL?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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what?
This is for you and others answering that person incorrectly:
http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/z...elease-simultaneously-on-wii-u-and-nx-in-2017
It is officially releasing at the same time for both Wii U and NX. That's the latest and it comes straight from the horses mouth. We simply don't know yet if it will be in March or later in 2017.
If nothing else, I'm more hyped for just Zelda, as a direct gives us a few minutes, but a stream gives us hours of it.
So you're saying that watering down their franchises to appeal to casuals is modest and humble? I don't remember any Nintendo fan asking for Paper Mario: Color Splash, Federation Force, or Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival, or a bare bones Mario Tennis. At the end of the day, all it is is Nintendo dumbing down their franchises because they're chasing the money. They couldn't give two shits about the quality of their games, clearly, as long as it makes them tons of money. If Amiibo Festival sold like crazy, they'd continue pushing that shit even harder regardless of what their fans think about the game. They're ready to chuck away any franchise that is a risk or they don't think will sell truckloads, which is why they have so many dormant IPs.
dampflokfreund
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This. I can't understand anyone who defends Nintendo's recent decisions. These games are not only unappeling to fans, but also to gamers of any kind. Why whould a guy who plays CoD and Fifa (aka casual gamer) want to play Federation Force?
Bascially, they appeal to nobody.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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Nintendo god damn I want a direct
Skittzo0413
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These are very strange and confusing posts...
You guys are saying both that they don't care about quality as long as their games sell (half of the examples listed aren't even out yet) but then also saying it's arrogant because no one wants these games? Then why do you think they're making them specifically to sell, if no one's buying them?
These 4 games (again, 2 of which aren't out yet and we know absolutely nothing about color splash so lumping that in is incredibly stupid) have been likely developed as filler games, and have been presented and marketed as such, since the majority of their titles have moved to NX development. Everyone who's actually paying attention knows this.
If you think presenting filler titles while apologizing for your poor showings (as Iwata did after E3 last year) is arrogant then you clearly don't understand what that word means or you're being deliberately misleading.
HawthorneKitty
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Sucks for you.Nintendo god damn I want a direct
RobFox64tm
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The only game there I'll give you is Mario Tennis. Color Splash and Federation Force aren't out yet, so we can't really make any fair comments on those two games, and Amiibo Festival was never supposed to be a replacement for an actual Animal Crossing game in the first place.
I will agree that these games are clearly a way to fill out Nintendo's schedule as they transition to new hardware, but they don't at all represent a decline in quality of Nintendo's games as whole. It's just all the more prominent games' development, especially of those on Wii U, migrated to NX, so we've been left with the companies second tier releases during the change over.
If NX comes and is filled with similar release,s then you would be right, but I don't think that's going to happen.
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