The Jackdog
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NBC reporting he had a license to carry and was a former security guard.
Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]
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Who gives a shit? 50 people are fucking dead and your in here posting about useless fucking definitions.
Get a grip.
GHG
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This is not true though.
In America ALL madmen who want to obtain a gun can do so legally. This is not the case in other countries.
The first step is making these weapons more difficult to obtain than they currently are.
DragonSworne
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skullmuffins
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Reddit is a cesspool. I was trying to follow the comments earlier and there were sooooo many anti-islam and anti-gay comments ("at least it happened in a gay club"), it was fucking disgusting. Of course now people on reddit are whining about "SJW censorship".
The freedom to bear arms is not worth the 1000's of lives that are lost every year. Innocent people shouldn't suffer due to a small part of the constitution that was written centuries ago and that is no longer relevant to today's world. It's bullshit.
Brother, what do you think AR stands for? You're doing some mental gymnastics if you're going to stand by that argument?
Also, do you really think it's hard to modify an AR-15 to go full auto? There's a huge aftermarket parts economy around tricking out your "semi automatic sporting rifle."
RecRoulette
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Really concerning about how much the media is glossing over the fact that it was a gay nightclub.
Arrogant Bastard
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No one is making it 'all' about guns, but we can address multiple things at one time. There is nearly shit all we can do about extremist Islam, if that is what this is. We can do something about citizens access to guns.
More than happy to hear what you would like us to do about extremist Islam.
How so? There's plenty of "hunting" rifles that are semi automatic with detachable magazines, sure they're not black and evil looking, but they practically function the same.
Right, I'll just let it slide that people say all kinds of wrong things.
If it's time to criticize the gun laws it's also time to put people in their place and say the right things.
No it isn't, there's literally no other difference than cosmetic between an AR-15 and say a H&K SL6/SL7.
jediyoshi
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Yeah what a bizarre thing. Looks like there's zero room for any discussion on this giant topic.
kitchenmotors
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No offense, but you don't really have a right to tell anyone how they should respond to tragedy. If someone posting a sad face, short message like they would on Facebook, or an essay doesn't makes difference in reactions. Everyone deals with tragedy in different ways.
As a gay man, this sort of thing hits pretty hard, but my initial response was, what the fuck?
Servbot #42
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Welp that is horrible, people should not be able to own military type weapons. If they are not gonna ban assault rifles at least ban magazines that hold more than 5 bullets.
I hate that gun laws are so lax in the US, but I'm not going to blame the guns on this. Terrorist acts occur even in places that have strict gun laws. You know this. I would NEVER argue against stricter gun laws, but HE is the one that did this. Without him, this wouldn't have happened, so how could I not put the blame on him?
A AK47 is a lot easier to modify into fully automatic fire. The AR-15 not so much, it is difficult, not to mention highly illegal. Automatic 10 years sentence if convicted.
meanspartan
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Im not sure if this news makes me want to have guns banned, or buy one.
OfficerRaichu15
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Terrible
My condolences to everyone affected
And I pray for the people that died.
My condolences to everyone affected
And I pray for the people that died.
I think it's because they were having people digging up and publishing personal info.
Milly Osworth
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How can 1 person fill 100 people with bullets? Thats scary.
He's not being obtuse you literally said, verbatim, this makes it hard to feel sorry for you.
And you just said it again.
Nobody said you wish for peoples death its still fucking disrespectful what you're saying.
I don't think this guy cared about going to jail.
Woke up to 20 people dead and was sick to my stomach.
Come back from grabbing some breakfast and suddenly it's 50 dead!! I'm literally nauseous at this point.
This is all made possible by a horrible synergy between bigoted hate and the gun lobby making it as easy as possible for these people to get weapons capable of this much bloodshed with little effort. It disgusts me that there are those that hold their right to buy a mechanical device above the lives of those massacred by them.
Come back from grabbing some breakfast and suddenly it's 50 dead!! I'm literally nauseous at this point.
This is all made possible by a horrible synergy between bigoted hate and the gun lobby making it as easy as possible for these people to get weapons capable of this much bloodshed with little effort. It disgusts me that there are those that hold their right to buy a mechanical device above the lives of those massacred by them.
This hits too close to home. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting. This is a failure in the education system, the legislative system and the regulatory system. This is shameful beyond words. And the worst is that I know some people will celebrate this. I just can't with you, America, I can't.
Shalashaska
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Wow, it jumped to 50 now? That's completely horrible.
I feel so bad for the deceased and their loved ones.
I feel so bad for the deceased and their loved ones.
Arguing over what an assault rifle really is seems like semantics. An AR 15 is a rifle that can be used to assault large groups of people. Its close enough that I find the argument to be just another deflection tactic, a poor one. Its a weapon made to kill many things one after the other, just because it can't shoot all its bullets without stopping doesn't really matter except to get technical.
meanspartan
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Easier said than done. Maybe if more young people would participate in politics beyond Presidential elections we could start to change things. Local, state, federal, judiciary. It's the only way we can change it and frankly it's our responsibility to do so.
sunshine and gasoline
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What a damn tragedy. MY condolences go out to the families of all those that died.
MassiveNights
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The difference is that required detailed planning, a motivated terror cell and the smuggling of weapons.
Easier access to guns is a problem that exacerbates the threat from lone, internet influenced extremists.
Audioboxer
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Why does it matter if the gun was automatic or not? Look at the damage and loss of life it caused regardless.
Rep. Peter King rightly pointing out that this sort of attack could happen anywhere and that's the world we live in these days. It doesn't matter the country, if certain people or individuals are motivated enough they will indeed do great harm. France is proof that gun laws alone aren't enough. There needs to be more effort on the part of security services in tackling Islamist extremism. And saying this doesn't make one a Trump supporting, right wing nutjob. It's just basic fucking common sense!
nature boy
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People, please separate the two issues (hate crime and gun control debate).
This is a tragedy regardless of what you think about guns.
RIP to all those who died in this massacre.
This is a tragedy regardless of what you think about guns.
RIP to all those who died in this massacre.
Ardenyal
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A sharpened spoon, maybe.
The minority in the case are DEAD people. You're say the tyranny of the majority should rule. That's not what America was founded on. One person's freedom end were it come in conflict with the freedom of another.
You can have gun control laws AND freedom to bear arms. The right to have a gun should not be unconditional- it should come with reasonable checks and balances.
This is as much of a terrorist attack as the South Carolina white man's shooting of a black church. When you make it easier for hateful people to get access to guns, they can commit hate crimes with relative ease.
I find it as awful as anybody, but people in here are having a violent circle jerk over it being an "assault rifle" when it isn't.
In the eye of the law there's a 10 year federal prison sentence inbetween sporting firearm and assault rifle.
What do you want me to tell you?
Huh. If that's true, then I concede that point.
I disagree. I think a man should have the right to bear arms and not depend solely on the protection provided by the state. When you start to increasingly give personal responsibilities to the goverment is when you start losing your freedom.
Arrogant Bastard
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People know that I promise, it doesn't really matter though. There is a vast difference between an AR-15 and a hunting rifle. I don't think citizens should be able to own a semi-auto AR-15. Wonder why he used that instead of a hunting rifle...
And I don't think you should be able to own a single one of them.
BlueTsunami
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Is the NRA gonna pay politicians to pray away the bad again?
No criminals that have guns, care to obey gun control laws that are associated with them.
An AR-15 semi-auto can be turned into a fully automatic rifle with an adapter. This gun was built for military applications, not sporting.
Marion Cobretti
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Democratic Supreme Court Nominations can't come soon enough.
This is so terrible. My god at that number.
This is so terrible. My god at that number.
When they're packed up in a sardine can it's sadly very easy.
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