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[mysocksarepink]

For anyone that's surprised about how high the body count likely hasn't been in a club lately.

Clubs have people literally crammed in like sardines.

Sad day

 

[Alavard]

Looks like the religion of peace strikes again. Horrible event that I hope will be a turning point for American politics. If not, this will be more frequent.

Oh do tell us how exactly you hope American politics turns as a result of this. Let's just get it out in the open.

 

[MassiveNights]

They are asking for the removal of a fundamental right.

LOL

Dude. No.

 

[nomster]

An AR-15 is a semi automatic sporting rifle and they're also legal in many European countries. I live in Denmark and I own one.
Unless that thing was fully automatic they're wrong.

Getting too off topic here but this is nonsense and you know it. Calling an AR 15 sporting is like saying a confederate flag is about southern pride.

 

[Kaervas]

this kind of logic pisses me off so much, just amend your broken constitution again, because its broken and stupid and this is the result, which is something most people understand. fucks sake.

I am not American. I live in a country where guns are heavily regulated and we still face gun violence everyday. I''ve been robbed at gunpoint more than three times in my life.

I know prohibition on guns is not a realistic solution because you are taking away a right and not solving the problem, which is that criminals and madmen will always have access to guns.

 

[Abstrusity]

AR-15s are used primarily for hunting and target shooting. It's a pattern of rifles based on a military design but limited legally to semi automatic function. However, to my knowledge, you could probably rig just about anything for automatic function. It's extremely illegal, however, and has been for longer than most of us have been alive.

 

[bchamba]

Damn I was disgusted this morning when the count was at 20 now I'm just in disbelief

 

[Slo]

Have you ever been in a night club? At that time of night, the place was probably packed wall to wall. Depending on the type of ammo he used, he's definitely hitting multiple people per shot.

I suppose Still the logistics of that number just seems obscene. You'd think people would either scatter or or panic and stampede.

I suppose maybe some of the deaths are because of getting trampled.....

 

[whytemyke]

Could you imagine if cars were around back in 1776? We'd have to defend drivers licenses and drunk driving laws.

 

[half a moon]

Wtf 50!? RIP

 

[skullmuffins]

The cop leading the investigation said AR 15 on the news right now

Technically I think an assault rifle is supposed to be full auto, and the AR-15 is semi-auto (AR doesn't stand for assault rifle), but semi-auto rifles like that are commonly called assault rifles by the media and general public.

 

[The Lamp]

He didn't this is an AR-15, a semi automatic sporting rifle.

An AR-15 is not an assault rifle, it's a semi automatic sporting rifle.
Sure AR-15 are cheaper, but they're also semi automatic.

If you can find an NFA M16 assault rifle for $1500 buy it right now because they're tens of thousands of dollars normally...

Wait so he did or didn't what? Buy legally or source illegally?

 

[hirokazu]

Since you insist on getting humiliated here's some numbers on Switzerland (without accounting for all the other countries I provided)

There's about 3400000 civilian guns in Switzerland, 324484 of those are government firearms.

It's not illegal to store ammo at home in Switzerland, and 3 million of these guns are privately owned firearms.
The claim is that more firearms = more homicides, if that can't be seen in overall homicide statistics then what?

I've proven that countries that have almost 1 gun for every 3 people in the nation have less than 1 homicide per 100.000 people. If you still think that guns = more homicides then I don't know what to tell you.

A real problem, and I'm not going to deny this, is suicides increase with higher firearm ownership.

1. You still ignore gun control laws. Switzerland still has tighter gun control than the US.
2. You can't adequately compare homicide rates without comparing gun ownership rates to homicide rates within a country. You're just comparing to other countries.
3. Nobody is arguing that other factors also play a role in homicide rates, hence point (2), but the data does show firearms play a role.

Further to point (2), check the stats for Australia when it introduced gun control laws in 1996/97.

Humiliation? C'mon, there's no humiliation involved here unless you're emotionally attached to your argument. I'm just interpreting what the data shows me.

EDIT: Also, I'll stop to focus on the actual info surrounding this incident. That death toll just went much higher than expected. :/

 

[Astral Dog]

50 killed!? fuck this world. Orlando was safe too.

did they atleast caught the bastards.

 

[Jeffolation]

Unreal.

 

[Nato]

Looks like the religion of peace strikes again. Horrible event that I hope will be a turning point for American politics. If not, this will be more frequent.

We're already seeing the leftist spin job happening in this thread by making it all about the guns, while conveniently ignoring that the same type of event occurred to a more extreme degree in a country with strict gun control laws not that long ago. It's the easy scapegoat.

 

[Azuran]

Banning guns makes as much sense as banning Islam.

America allows for the freedom of religion and the freedom to bear arms.

We are constantly reminded, and rightly so, that the action of a few dont speak for the many: terrorist extremist are not your everyday muslim.

The same logic can and must be applied to gun owners: not all gun owners are extremist.

What people are asking in this thread is for a group to forfeit their rights in order to conform to a notion of what society should be for a minority. They are asking for the removal of a fundamental right.

I don't see people in this thread asking for a ban on Islam.

You're an idiot.

 

[BradC00]

AR-15s are about $1500, and I know of at least 3 of them just in my cul de sac.

guess I should tell the gun stores in the area to stop selling $599 AR-15s.

and cabella's too.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

50? Jesus Christ this is sickening. I hope the families of victims are able to find some peace in their lives sometime in the future.



Well, I'd like to think people aren't already beginning their political pivoting of the tragedy, but holy smokes is this ever gonna shape the presidential election.

I'm not joking when I say this happened too early to significantly affect the election in November. We have the memory of fucking goldfish for these kinds of events. San Bernadino has not been a major issue this primary season.

 

[OverBlood 3]

Looks like the religion of peace strikes again. Horrible event that I hope will be a turning point for American politics. If not, this will be more frequent.

Fuck off with that noise.

 

[Yamauchi]

I've always supported gun control, but it's hard to make this about guns when these sadistic Islamist psychopaths did the same thing and worse in France.

 

[The Jackdog]

He didn't this is an AR-15, a semi automatic sporting rifle.

An AR-15 is not an assault rifle, it's a semi automatic sporting rifle.
Sure AR-15 are cheaper, but they're also semi automatic.

If you can find an NFA M16 assault rifle for $1500 buy it right now because they're tens of thousands of dollars normally...

NBC right now: ar-15 assault rifle. You're playing semantics.

Youre right my bad. I use my high capacity magazine ar-15 SPORTING rifle to play sports all the time. If i cant shoot a deer up with 30 bullets before it blinks what the fuck am I hunting for right bro???

 

[Wind's Howling]

Yeah.

This thread is going to turn into another pro guns vs ban guns debate and it can never end well.

 

[Big Brett]

I'm ready to leave this fucking country.

 

[Infinite]

Damn what the FUCK!

 

[Audioboxer]

50 now?! Holy shit. Tragic America, tragic.

 

[Lightning Count]

The fact that some people still defend US gun laws in the face of these atrocities is sickening. Something needs to change before the situation improves.

 

[therealist]

This is a sad day. The unfortunate truth is that this incident is more likely to bring about MORE guns than less. America has an ideological disagreement, where one side is stubbornly entrenched in their 2nd amendment rights. That side has all of the leverage right now because they already have their guns and their are hundreds of millions of them out in the wild. The NRA is winning this contest by a landslide. They are getting whatever they want. It'd be different if America had no guns and one side was trying to bring them to citizens.

The reality is that at some point one side is going to have to give in the name of ensuring public safety. Which means armed security and metal detectors at every single high density building. Sad but this is what has to happen to make us safe.

 

[brandonh83]

My reaction. Disparity between injured and dead sounds like he/she executed people one by one :/

This is just absolutely ridiculous. I don't live in Orlando but I'm there often-ish. Just absurd.

 

[Aeriscloud]

Looks like the religion of peace strikes again. Horrible event that I hope will be a turning point for American politics. If not, this will be more frequent.

Here we go... absolutely no facts yet, but HERE we go.

 

[Bubba_Sparks]

Unless that thing was fully automatic they're wrong.

This! I am not a gun nut, but the media throws this term around with reckless abandon. When most people hear the term assault rifle they imagine a gun in which the trigger could be held down until the clip ran empty. Something a soldier might be equipped with, not a semi-automatic! Though clearly still dangerous weapons it's an important distinction to make I think.

 

[le.phat]

Be armed, period.

Fucking americans man, you cant fight gun violence with more gun violence. Fucking hell, this backwards rethoric is unbelievable.

 

[Bedlam]

I genuinely cannot understand the kind of deep-seated hatred once must have in their heart to do something like this against innocent people. It simply doesn't make sense.

Yup.

Two people kissing > person doesn't like it, kills 50 people. The mental gymnastics going on in the brains of such individuals are completely incomprehensible to me. It's astonishing how much certain cultures can shape people's minds.

 

[zsynqx]

Absolutely disgusting, RIP

50 killed!? fuck this world. Orlando was safe too.

did they atleast caught the bastards.

Killed in a shootout with the police I believe

 

[zaryn]

I can't grasp how 50 lives were suddenly ended by one unconscionable act by a bigoted well-armed individual. I can't believe my beautiful Orlando community has become the next scene of a mass shooting. Orlando has a wonderful LGBTQ community. I just... I just don't understand how this can happen.

 

[StrangeTaco]

Holy shit 50 people?! Absolutely horrible.

Name another type of weapon that would've had the destruction power a firearm does.

I'm all for tighter gun regulations but come on it's not like guns are the only source of violence. Homemade bombs are not difficult to make and they can cause more damage than a firearm.

 

[SneakersSO]

50 killed!? fuck this world. Orlando was safe too.

did they atleast caught the bastards.

He was killed during this event.

 

[sturgboski]

LOL

Dude. No.

I do love that logic. I mean the amendment was made under fear of the British stealing your guns and with guns that took minutes to load between shots. I doubt the founding fathers envisioned the weapons of mass destruction we have created.

 

[Green Yoshi]

50 killed!? fuck this world. Orlando was safe too.

did they atleast caught the bastards.

Only one offender, who is dead.

 

[Kyzer]

I'm 100% sure the authorities/mayor is wrong.

They like to use the term "assault rifle" because it sounds more menacing than "sporting rifle" which it actually is.
I live in Denmark in Europe and I own an AR-15.

"Sporting rifle" is the sugar-coated term. It's till an assault rifle, its just legal for competition use.

 

[killer_clank]

False. France has some of the toughest gun laws for Europe. That didn't stop what 190 people from getting slaughtered? #1 the shooter was yet another muslim male. Compare the fact that muslim men are provably 0.5% of the total US population, coupled with the amount of people killed or # of attacks and you have a group grossly outnumbered.

This is an Islamic motivated terrorist hate crime attack in which mostly Gay men were killed because of hatred for them. This same guy would be able to or would have killed these people if he wanted to. Just like in every non-American country, terrorists have still been able to procure heavy weaponry and assault rifles. I agree the US gun culture and easy availability of guns is ridiculous. We've started to accept this as a commonplace occurrence for the US now. But after Sandy Hook, if nothing changed, it won't change now.

No one's saying gun massacres can be prevented, but the Paris attacks were well organised mass terrorism with a huge well resourced team behind them. In America, low level individuals can easily access guns that can kill tens of other people in minutes. It's awful.

 

[knkng]

Yeah.

This thread is going to turn into another pro guns vs ban guns debate and it can never end well.

"going to"?

It's shameful.

 

[Paz]

I am not American. I live in a country where guns are heavily regulated and we still face gun violence everyday. I''ve been robbed at gunpoint more than three times in my life.

I know prohibition on guns is not a realistic solution because you are taking away a right and not solving the problem, which is that criminals and madmen will always have access to guns.

Prove it, show me the statistics where mass shootings occur regularly despite guns being illegal on a federal level.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

You can be anywhere in America and be shot dead

 

[Blueliner]

I'd recommend for people who say the word assault rifle to actually research what it means. a Ar-15 is not a assault rifle, it's a sporting rifle that -looks- like a true assault. "AR' - 15 stands for ArmaLite for people wondering.

 

[TheOMan]

How hard would it be to modify a semi automatic AR-15 to become fully auto?

 

[Betty]

oh my god

I mean you always wonder why more people aren't killed in packed places but that's insane.

 

[TyrantII]

What the fuck?

I don't often come into any threads relating to gun debates etc but is this the general standard of logic applied by those who are pro-gun?

It's what happens when you resonate inside an echo chamber and convince each other you don't sound like tone death loons that gave up on rational discussion.

It's becoming more common across the whole spectrum. Irony being the internet is right there with everything, but human tribalism is what we fall back on to make sense of information overload.

 

[Armaros]

Fuck off with that noise.

Anti-Muslim European sentiment is increasing, and you see it with the passive aggressive rhetoric of many European GAFers.

Lots and lots of dog whistling. in this thread.

 

[GamerSoul]

What the hell man...this is..the amount of hate people can harbor at times is inconceivable.

RIP.