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[Audioboxer]

Think it might be time to actually move to another country. This country of ours is sick, and apparently politicians really have no desire to fix it.

Why should I live in fear? Not a way to live. Its like I won't go to a movie in a theater anymore, or just going to a mall or shopping in a big store.

You can't stop living due to fear, but yeah, I get you.

Out of interest was this the largest gay club in Orlando? Soo many in that community are going to be terrified to go out again.

 

[Big Brett]

My apologies, when I first checked there was a megathread for it and it was on the front page. Sadly it seems that when it was revealed that the perpetrator was a Muslim the 'news' subreddit mods shit themselves, deleted the thread, deleted (and continue to do so) any post that mention the 'M-religion' and for some reason have decided that mass censorship of anything that mentions religion even links to the FBI investigating religious connections is more important then the actual news.

I was unaware of this event, when I checked earlier the thread was in good order and filled with healthy discussion and debate. I was unaware of the news 'mods' grand clusterfucking. This in turn created a pseudo Streisand effect of more people battling the mods and their screw up then the actual news.

Again my apologies.

No worries, man. It's pretty pathetic whatever is going on at reddit. Admins need to step in, because these mods are actively ruining what the site stands for.

 

[InfiniteBento]

Obama just gonna sit in a chair and look at the camera.

It's the same speech we've all heard over and over again. Something needs to be done about gun violence. Talking about it is great but the time for action has been long overdue.

 

[FTF]

wtf just heard about this, this is fucking terrible, horrible news. Sigh...something needs to be done in the US.

 

[TyrantII]

Planes aren't created specifically to kill. Guns are.

Which is why there's a more pressing argument to regulate them.

 

[neptunes]

Why is the US prone to such tragedies?

A similar nation (Canada) doesn't foster nearly as much nutjobs, that act out their twisted versions of reality.

Is it really gun control?

 

[EdibleKnife]

Planes aren't created specifically to kill. Guns are.

Going even further, we added more travel restrictions to prevent another hijacking but have yet to put more restrictions on guns.

 

[MUnited83]

Unfortunately with how HIV works, it should not. HIV has a window period where you can be infectious still, but it is unable to be found in a test. They have gotten a lot better at the testing, so the window period has shrunk, but it still exists. Once they get it down to nothing, if it is at all possible, they will remove the ban altogether. Hopefully it is sooner rather than later because some types of blood are hard to keep in stock and the gay community are great people who would probably donate a lot of blood.

Honestly, it just seems like bullshit. Here in my country the ban was lifted; that year actually had less infections of anything, despite more donations. Allowing gay people to donate did not lead to a increase in infections at all.

 

[Officerrob]

It's the same speech we've all heard over and over again. Something needs to be done about gun violence. Talking about it is great but the time for action has been long overdue.

He tried after Sandy Hook and he couldn't get shit done with 20 dead little kids, nothing is changing

 

[Ahasverus]

Why is the US prone to such tragedies?

A similar nation (Canada) doesn't foster nearly as much but jobs.

Go ahead and guess

 

[Sunset Samurai]

How would they know who's a terrorist though? Just randomly assume?

 

[blame space]

this makes me so sad

 

[Brinbe]

Nope, guns are very much a big part of this. THIS IS THE WORST MASS SHOOTING IN AMERICAN HISTORY. There is a big gun VIOLENCE problem in America and instead of worrying about that, people are worried that someone is gonna take their guns? GET SOME PERSPECTIVE.

There are plenty of countries with responsible gun laws, America is not one of them.

 

[BearFlexington]

A horrible tragedy. I hope people of all walks can see this as an opportunity to unite in mourning rather than divide.

 

[XAL]

How would they know who's a terrorist though? Just randomly assume?

Not to mention he may have had permits for the weapons prior to that.

 

[SchrodingerC]

The drive back to Orlando is going to be a somber one tonight.

 

[JP_]

Unfortunately with how HIV works, it should not. HIV has a window period where you can be infectious still, but it is unable to be found in a test. They have gotten a lot better at the testing, so the window period has shrunk, but it still exists. Once they get it down to nothing, if it is at all possible, they will remove the ban altogether. Hopefully it is sooner rather than later because some types of blood are hard to keep in stock and the gay community are great people who would probably donate a lot of blood.

According to this, the windows is as short as 4-7 days with the right testing http://www.redcrossblood.org/learn-...V_1_2__Antibody_testing__1985__and_NAT__1999_

Afaik, the ban is 12 months since the last time they had male/male intercourse -- seems like that could be safely shortened to something more reasonable.

 

[FreedomFighter]

I mean......... is it anything other than that?

We don't have access to whatever information the FBI has at this point. Best to wait and see.

This is what I was getting at:

This is being investigated as a "domestic terrorism" event.

And, no, being Muslim is NOT the only qualification. For example, the shooting at the black Charleston church by a white supremacist is also classified as a "domestic terrorism" event.

Actually, the FBI said that it was NOT an act of terrorism. This is what I don't get. Why? It really does seem like the qualification for terrorism is the perp being Muslim. Lately, this seems to be the case.

 

[Syder]

Late to the story here, can someone give me a TL;DR?

 

[Artdayne]

Think it might be time to actually move to another country. This country of ours is sick, and apparently politicians really have no desire to fix it.

Why should I live in fear? Not a way to live. Its like I won't go to a movie in a theater anymore, or just going to a mall or shopping in a big store.

You're probably more likely to be struck by lightning than to get gunned down in a mass shooting. This is a tragic event but don't be unreasonable.

 

[Big Brett]

Notice when this was posted. For those out of the loop, reddit is a total fucking disaster on the tragedy in Orlando.

this is about the only post you'll find on the shooting.

 

[DR2K]

This. Every time something like this happens, almost nobody talks about the person who committed the atrocity or why. It's always about guns and/or Muslims/religion.

Talking about the person only glorifies them and opens up the flood gate for copy cats. Even the media is incredibly careful with how they portray the murderer.

 

[Boke1879]

How would they know who's a terrorist though? Just randomly assume?

I assume if he was a on a watch list that would be all you need. But I have no clue why they rejected that bill. How stupid and counterproductive must you be.

Their ties to the NRA and their money means more to them than protection of this country.

 

[Pickman]

Late to the story here, can someone give me a TL;DR?

Read.

 

[Erevador]

Hey GAF, maybe the best thing to do in a thread about an ongoing tragedy is NOT to swear at each other and fight rudely about politics.

Just a thought.

 

[King Kovu]

Late to the story here, can someone give me a TL;DR?

Same, just woke up to this

 

[fierrotlepou]

50 dead? What the hell?

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Some outlets are reporting this as a terrorist attack. I suppose we will find out if it was. A guy with a gun who has sympathies with groups like Isis doesn't make him a terrorist per se. A horrific murder and a sympthizer, absolutely. But to be a terrorist I think he would need to have solid membership of a terrorist organisation, established political sympathies and networks, etc.

Also, US gun control is a disgrace and plays a part in all these massacres.

Im having this argument with my sister right now. She is comparing this to France. Do people not understand the difference between foreign fighters carrying out a attacks with smuggled weapons vs. a domestic person legally buying guns and ammo and posting Isis shit on Twitter.

 

[jacob armitage]

Think it might be time to actually move to another country. This country of ours is sick, and apparently politicians really have no desire to fix it.

There is a huge part of me that wants to say, even scream, that if America doesn't address its poor ethics on gun violence, culture and control then it has failed as a nation. After Sandy Hook though, i just don't see it being a reality.

Of course leaving likely isn't the best option either but staying with in and doing your best to effect change by volunteering or donating to political groups or organizations that are trying to help America's awful issue of gun control.

Of course, its just going to the be the left and right arguing unable to move forwards with the rights backwards, exploitative goals.

 

[mxgt]

Law enforcement... how about we only allow law enforcement to carry guns? No more fucking civilians being allowed to buy them.

And what exactly will happen to the 300m+ guns already in the country?

 

[ElRenoRaven]

WTF!?!?!?!

Seriously What the fuck! Seriously get some fucking help.

 

[ElTorro]

I just want to say too that Muslim-Americans should not be blamed or targeted for this horrible man's actions. Remember that we are also in the middle of Ramadan and I'm sure they are just as horrified as we are in the LGBT community.

This is true. But I also have little enthusiasm for anyone who is not motivated by such events to name the elephant in the room and denounce the authority of the doctrines that explicitly and non-ambigously call for the murder of homosexuals as well as the many other instances of anti-gay bigotry in our "holy texts". All people are free to reject hateful stupidity. Holding and supporting such beliefs just because someone told them that their stone-age texts have been written by a homophobic super man in the sky is not an acceptable justification in the long term. This event here—if it is truly religiously motivated, as it seems to be— is a particularly horrible instance of anti-gay hate, but it's certainly not the only one.

 

[XAL]

We didn't blame airplanes for 9/11. After 9/11 we fortified cockpit doors and instituted new cockpit protocols while the plane is in the air.

We should do the same with guns and gun ownership. There's rational things that can be done to reduce gun violence that don't include outright bans.

Are you kidding?

Planes are modes of transport. Guns are specifically designed to kill.

Your logic is bunk, friendo.

 

[Square2015]

Just saw this quote from CBS NY:
"

Mateen’s father Mir Seddique told reporters that his son had anti-gay leanings and the shooting doesn’t have anything to do with religion.

Seddique told NBC News that his son got angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami a couple of months ago and thinks that may be related to the shooting."

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/06/12/orlando-nightclub-shooting/

Officials point out similarities with the paris and Brussels attacks.

 

[everyday math]

Hotline for those searching for family/friends who may have been at #Pulse: 407-246-4357
To find a place to donate blood: 1-888-9DONATE

Equality Florida has set up a GoFundMe account to collect money for families of victims in Pulse nightclub shooting https://www.gofundme.com/PulseVictimsFund

.

 

[faceless007]

Hey GAF, maybe the best thing to do in a thread about an ongoing tragedy is NOT to swear at each other and fight rudely about politics.

Just a thought.

Indeed.

 

[M52B28]

Notice when this was posted. For those out of the loop, reddit is a total fucking disaster on the tragedy in Orlando.

this is about the only post you'll find on the shooting.

I didn't come here to read about Reddit..

 

[Henkka]

Notice when this was posted. For those out of the loop, reddit is a total fucking disaster on the tragedy in Orlando.

this is about the only post you'll find on the shooting.

Yep. These threads reached the front page, but were locked and removed. Currently nothing on the front page about about biggest mass shooting in US history.

 

[Audioboxer]

You can't stop living due to fear, but yeah, I get you.

Out of interest was this the largest gay club in Orlando? Soo many in that community are going to be terrified to go out again.

Quoting myself for the new page and after some member nastiness, but does anyone know if the LGBT community has other places to go in Orlando?

 

[SZips]

My apologies, when I first checked there was a megathread for it and it was on the front page. Sadly it seems that when it was revealed that the perpetrator was a Muslim the 'news' subreddit mods shit themselves, deleted the thread, deleted (and continue to do so) any post that mention the 'M-religion' and for some reason have decided that mass censorship of anything that mentions religion even links to the FBI investigating religious connections is more important then the actual news.

I was unaware of this event, when I checked earlier the thread was in good order and filled with healthy discussion and debate. I was unaware of the news 'mods' grand clusterfucking. This in turn created a pseudo Streisand effect of more people battling the mods and their screw up then the actual news.

Again my apologies.

I'm looking at /News right now and seeing a stuck megathread that was posted since the old thread (which I saw last night) contained a ton of outdated information and some real shitty comments that went unchecked.

I'm also looking at /Worldnews right now and see at the top a link to the live thread and the aforementioned megathread in /News.

Last night as this was happening, there were giant threads in both sections, both of which also contained links to the live thread that was ongoing.

There has been no "censoring" or any other such nonsense. They have simply consolidated the news to one area with as much up to date information as they could. The mods have said (in a stuck post in the /News thread about this) that they are only removing comments that break the rules of the section. Given that some of their rules specifically state that a comment will likely be removed if it "is racist, sexist, vitriolic, overly crude, unnecessarily rude/provocative, is a cheap/distracting joke/meme, or violates reddits' site-wide rules" it should be clear that nothing of actual value was deleted or "censored."

I just had to say something because I keep seeing posts complaining about how reddit is "censoring" this or that and there's no posts about this, when it's clear that they have had threads, they still have a megathread, still have a live thread, and are trying to keep it clear of whatever stupid shit stupid people are trying to post.

Edit: And that's really all I'm going to say about that. The main focus should be on this event, not what another site is or is not doing.

 

[Ahasverus]

And what exactly will happen to the 300m+ guns already in the country?

Recalled and outlawed.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Im having this argument with my sister right now. She is comparing this to France. Do people not understand the difference between foreign fighters carrying out a attacks with smuggled weapons vs. a domestic person legally buying guns and ammo and posting Isis shit on Twitter.

First: Organized Terrorism
Last: Self-Radicalized Terrorism

There is a difference, but they are both horrible and aim to scare people and to change daily patterns.

 

[meanspartan]

Indeed.

My apologies. He pissed me off.

 

[Jonm1010]

At this point, I'm all for federal licensing of firearms (annual renewals?), along with a complete shutdown of gun shows. I say this as a minor gun owner (I own a pistol). The issue with gun control is that buyback programs are going to have to be incredibly lucrative to make a dent in that 350 million figure.

I say that because people around these parts are very good at confusing "legislation" with "magical legislation" and believe that somehow a piece of paper can make 350+ million objects disappear into the ether.

The black market in the event of a total gun ban is an argument used by gun rights advocates (sometimes insincerely) as a reason why a gun ban is ludicrous. I'll lean in that general direction because I do get stuck on the point of removing law-abiding citizens with an option for self-defense. It just doesn't seem fair.

The problem is that body counts keep climbing higher and higher and there are no perfection options in sight.

No law in our lifetime is going to ban all guns. But putting restrictions, licensing and monitoring does not eliminate a persons ability to defend themselves. Guns also aren't a requirement to defend ones self. Every other 1st world country has been able to get along just fine without loose gun laws. No good reason to not have them here.

A gun buyback program is not meant to get 350 million guns out of circulation completely but to reduce supply in a meaningful way and as a secondary effect, drive up black market costs and make obtaining a gun going forward harder. Yes a black market will exist(as it already does) but the cost of obtaining a gun will rise in the long term. Like in Australia, it just won't be economically viable to spend a great sum of money on a weapon to aid in crime when the cost projects to outweigh the benefits. In Australia I think they chronicled the average black market cost of a handgun rose from a few hundred dollars to $1500. That would take a lot longer here with the large supply issue and may struggle to get to that level any time soon but it shows there are real economic reasons for programs such as this if done correctly.

 

[xkramz]

What a fucking tragedy. I lived to witness the worst terrorist attack in us soil ,9/11 and the worst mass shooting in the history of the us. It is honestly upsetting thst we cant all just get along

 

[linkboy]

At this point, I'm all for federal licensing of firearms (annual renewals?), along with a complete shutdown of gun shows. I say this as a minor gun owner (I own a pistol). The issue with gun control is that buyback programs are going to have to be incredibly lucrative to make a dent in that 350 million figure.

I say that because people around these parts are very good at confusing "legislation" with "magical legislation" and believe that somehow a piece of paper can make 350+ million objects disappear into the ether.

The black market in the event of a total gun ban is an argument used by gun rights advocates (sometimes insincerely) as a reason why a gun ban is ludicrous. I'll lean in that general direction because I do get stuck on the point of removing law-abiding citizens with an option for self-defense. It just doesn't seem fair.

The problem is that body counts keep climbing higher and higher and there are no perfection options in sight.

An outright ban/buyback program will never happen. However, there's some common sense approaches that can be taken,

For example, why are cars more regulated then guns. To buy a car, I have to have passed a driver's test from the state, have proof of insurance, get it registered with the state, etc. To buy a gun, I just have to go to my local Wal-Mart and wait a few days. No proof of taking a hunter's safety course, no registration, nothing. I buy the gun, wait for the background check and then walk out of the store. There's no followup to ensure that I'm mentally/physically capable of owning said firearm. I don't have to get a license renewed every few years to ensure that I'm still fit to use said firearm.

To me, that's a good place to start. However, you've got a group of assholes in the NRA who only care about lining their pocketbooks (the NRA is an extension of the gun manufactures, it's essentially their lobbying arm) and don't give one shit about anything else.

 

[The Artisan]

Are you kidding?

Planes are modes of transport. Guns are specifically designed to kill.

Your logic is bunk, friendo.

i'm not taking a side on the gun control debate but i don't think that was the main problem - it is a problem of course but this man had a radically islamic influence on his unhinged mind. that is the problem.

 

[Chiggs]

Back at you motherfucker.

I bought a handgun 10+ years ago because I was working a graveyard shift at a tech firm that refused to provide adequate security for its workers. This, in light of a growing crime wave that directly impacted the company's employees in the form of robbery and assault.

Despite legal threats, the company didn't budge, but provided us with a late night safety tip sheet. :/

Once I notified HR that I had received a concealed weapons license and planned on carrying the weapon to work--along with several women that had, unbeknownst to me, beaten me to the punch by a couple of weeks, suddenly the company was able to afford armed security and lobby the police department to provide coverage late night/early morning.

Not every gun owner is a maniacal nut that likes to fantasize about shootouts with federal agents or pose in the mirror trying to look like a badass.

I realize this is an emotional moment for everyone, but your behavior in this thread stinks.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Hold up...he murked 50 people? I clicked on this thread this morning I thought it was just a shooting.

Wow. No words.

This is pretty much a terrorist attack.

 

[Big Brett]

I didn't come here to read about Reddit..

It's a big deal when a site ranked 27 globally for hits is censoring the US's worst mass shooting in its history. Sorry for subjecting that to you, though.